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World Cup, Season 3, Match 1D: France vs India vs Serbia vs Mali

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World Cup, Season 3, Match 1D: France vs India vs Serbia vs

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Post by joachimt » February 22nd, 2018, 8:43 am

This is match 1D of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
FranceUne si jolie petite plageSuch a Pretty Little Beach1949klaus78linklink
IndiaDabbaThe Lunchbox2013tommy_leazaqlinklink
SerbiaPaviljon VIWard Six1978Mario Gaborovićlinklink
MaliYeelenBrightness1987Fergenapridolinklink

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Yeelen
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Voting Rules:
- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Mar 21st
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The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by lowest average ranking.
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).
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We start with 48 films from 48 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 12 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 24 remaining countries will be divided into 8 groups of 3. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each group proceeds to the next round. The final 8 countries compete one-on-one in the quarter finals (with a new movie of course) and so on till the final.
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Post by sebby » February 22nd, 2018, 9:00 am

Looks like a pretty strong foursome this time around.

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Post by maxwelldeux » February 22nd, 2018, 10:18 am

Just noticed... should this be match 1D?

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Post by toro913 » February 22nd, 2018, 2:16 pm

1 Such a Pretty Little Beach
2 Yeelen
3 The Lunchbox
4 Ward 6

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Post by zuma » February 22nd, 2018, 2:26 pm

Just a heads up folks that there are two versions of Ward 6 by the same director. The 1973 version is black and white. The 1978 version is in colour.

Mario chose the b&w one.

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Post by Cocoa » February 22nd, 2018, 5:12 pm

1. Dabba 7/10
2. Une si jolie petite plage 6/10
3. Yeelen 5/10
4. Paviljon broj VI 5/10

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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 22nd, 2018, 5:53 pm

zuma on Feb 22 2018, 07:26:15 AM wrote:Just a heads up folks that there are two versions of Ward 6 by the same director. The 1973 version is black and white. The 1978 version is in colour.

Mario chose the b&w one.
Gotta be a mistake; it's actually a re-release of a TV movie which premiered in 1973, but since the lead actor died in 1978, I guess they thought to submit it to Cannes where it received Un certain regard.
It's a same film but I can't say whether the original was shot in b/w or not since I never saw it. The only difference is that Centar Film appears as second production, which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.

The subtitles are not perfect, but watchable. Since I wouldn't make new ones because of few errors, I'll just name them here so that when you watch you know what is it about:

1) The line: "If humanity get used to treat illnesses by pills and drops, it would completely neglect religion and philosophy, in which it found not only shield (not CHILD!) against its misfortunes, but the very happiness itself.

2) Another translator's mistake: on two occasions, the 'madman' refers to mandarins, but correct is tangerines - because mandarina is a Serbian word for tangerine, as funny as it sounds. When I first heard that there is a mandarin language, my first thought was 'what the hell this fruit have to do with Chinese?'

3) The fella who keeps quiet all the time, and starts shouting in the closing scenes, speaks this:

Murderers! You, who were shooting... destroyed human souls... Guardians of hell, you blame common sense for everything!... Christ persecuted you... You murderer!

4) The summary at IMDb is slightly incorrect: I've read the Chekhov's novel and the unfortunate man put in mental asylum is NOT a political prisoner; he was allegedly taken as having persecution mania. This was never indicated in the film, which I found to be a great move since the message can transcend much above and indicate any sort of non-democratic treatment or totalitarian doctrine.
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Post by joachimt » February 22nd, 2018, 9:04 pm

maxwelldeux on Feb 22 2018, 03:18:09 AM wrote:Just noticed... should this be match 1D?
Yeah, that's what you get from hurrying. I copied the title from 1C and changed the countries and the deadline, but not the match-letter. I'll do it now.
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Post by joachimt » February 22nd, 2018, 9:06 pm

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Post by maxwelldeux » February 22nd, 2018, 9:52 pm

joachimt on Feb 22 2018, 02:04:46 PM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Feb 22 2018, 03:18:09 AM wrote:Just noticed... should this be match 1D?
Yeah, that's what you get from hurrying. I copied the title from 1C and changed the countries and the deadline, but not the match-letter. I'll do it now.
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Post by zuma » February 22nd, 2018, 11:18 pm

Mario Gaborović on Feb 22 2018, 10:53:15 AM wrote:
zuma on Feb 22 2018, 07:26:15 AM wrote:Just a heads up folks that there are two versions of Ward 6 by the same director. The 1973 version is black and white. The 1978 version is in colour.

Mario chose the b&w one.
Gotta be a mistake; it's actually a re-release of a TV movie which premiered in 1973, but since the lead actor died in 1978, I guess they thought to submit it to Cannes where it received Un certain regard.
It's a same film but I can't say whether the original was shot in b/w or not since I never saw it. The only difference is that Centar Film appears as second production, which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.

The subtitles are not perfect, but watchable. Since I wouldn't make new ones because of few errors, I'll just name them here so that when you watch you know what is it about:

1) The line: "If humanity get used to treat illnesses by pills and drops, it would completely neglect religion and philosophy, in which it found not only shield (not CHILD!) against its misfortunes, but the very happiness itself.

2) Another translator's mistake: on two occasions, the 'madman' refers to mandarins, but correct is tangerines - because mandarina is a Serbian word for tangerine, as funny as it sounds. When I first heard that there is a mandarin language, my first thought was 'what the hell this fruit have to do with Chinese?'

3) The fella who keeps quiet all the time, and starts shouting in the closing scenes, speaks this:

Murderers! You, who were shooting... destroyed human souls... Guardians of hell, you blame common sense for everything!... Christ persecuted you... You murderer!

4) The summary at IMDb is slightly incorrect: I've read the Chekhov's novel and the unfortunate man put in mental asylum is NOT a political prisoner; he was allegedly taken as having persecution mania. This was never indicated in the film, which I found to be a great move since the message can transcend much above and indicate any sort of non-democratic treatment or totalitarian doctrine.
I started to watch it but noticed the IMDB link for this match had a different year, different runtime, and was supposedly in b&w.

Might be a good idea to have it linked to the 1978 IMDB page instead of the other one.


Thanks for the clarification.

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Post by joachimt » February 22nd, 2018, 11:26 pm

Mario Gaborović on Feb 22 2018, 10:53:15 AM wrote:which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.
So is it in fact the same movie? And it's just a duplicate on IMDb? Or are we watching the 1978-version and 1973 is slightly different?

When you submitted your choices for this round, you linked to the 1973-page.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 22nd, 2018, 11:38 pm

joachimt on Feb 22 2018, 04:26:29 PM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Feb 22 2018, 10:53:15 AM wrote:which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.
So is it in fact the same movie? And it's just a duplicate on IMDb? Or are we watching the 1978-version and 1973 is slightly different?

When you submitted your choices for this round, you linked to the 1973-page.
I believe it's a same film because that wouldn't be the first time for Yugoslavian films. For instance, Ritam zločina was first made as a 1980 TV movie called Good Spirit of Zagreb, but then another producer appeared and the movie was again released, this time with different title and in theaters.

Žena s krajolikom was also a TV film, made for TV Sarajevo in 1976; Emir Kusturica had a particular fondness of it, since the director was kind of mentor to him, and when the latter died suddenly he and some other friends of his decided to run it in theaters and find another producer - again Centar Film from Belgrade.

And finally Paviljon broj VI. I had a reason to believe that when there's a interesting film made for TV, this producer re-releases it for good sake, as to make it available for wider audience.

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Post by joachimt » February 22nd, 2018, 11:47 pm

In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.
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Post by zuma » February 22nd, 2018, 11:57 pm

joachimt on Feb 22 2018, 04:47:15 PM wrote:In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.
If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time, and whether it was in B&W or colour.

I guess there is no need now as most people will see this discussion. I just hope no one else searches for the film based on the IMDB details.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 23rd, 2018, 12:20 am

zuma on Feb 22 2018, 04:57:39 PM wrote:
joachimt on Feb 22 2018, 04:47:15 PM wrote:In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.
If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time
You must know that runtime isn't always exact. I just found by google search that the 1973 version was indeed b/w, and that the new version was edited out this material. So it wasn't filmed twice, and I know that because actors look much younger than they looked in the late 70s.

Finally, the video I provided is from 1978, but its duration time is 93 minutes, which means the runtime of 97mins was false.
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 23rd, 2018, 1:07 am

1. Une si jolie petite plage [Riptide] (1949)
2. Yeelen [Brightness] (1987)
3. Paviljon VI [Ward Six] (1978)
4. &#2337;&#2367;&#2348;&#2381;&#2348;&#2366; [The Lunchbox] (2013)

Ward Six was better than all the films in the first three rounds, but the competition is just too fierce this round.
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Post by RBG » February 23rd, 2018, 3:36 am

1. Paviljon VI [Ward Six] (1978)
2. Yeelen [Brightness] (1987)
3. Une si jolie petite plage [Riptide] (1949)
4. &#2337;&#2367;&#2348;&#2381;&#2348;&#2366; [The Lunchbox] (2013)

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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 23rd, 2018, 3:58 am

I suggest everyone to read Ward Six; it doesn't have more than 60 pages I believe. The scarce dialogue in the film adaptation pretty much encapsulates its ideas. And how beautiful some of those rants are; to whoever felt he's being surrounded by mediocrity, aware of that shortage of intelligent people who'd know and love to discuss serious matters. (l)
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Post by joachimt » February 23rd, 2018, 9:46 am

Mario Gaborović on Feb 22 2018, 05:20:50 PM wrote:
zuma on Feb 22 2018, 04:57:39 PM wrote:
joachimt on Feb 22 2018, 04:47:15 PM wrote:In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.
If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time
You must know that runtime isn't always exact. I just found by google search that the 1973 version was indeed b/w, and that the new version was edited out this material. So it wasn't filmed twice, and I know that because actors look much younger than they looked in the late 70s.

Finally, the video I provided is from 1978, but its duration time is 93 minutes, which means the runtime of 97mins was false.
Well, this convinces me to change the link to 1978. :wacko:
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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 23rd, 2018, 10:14 am

joachimt on Feb 23 2018, 02:46:34 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Feb 22 2018, 05:20:50 PM wrote:
zuma on Feb 22 2018, 04:57:39 PM wrote: If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time
You must know that runtime isn't always exact. I just found by google search that the 1973 version was indeed b/w, and that the new version was edited out this material. So it wasn't filmed twice, and I know that because actors look much younger than they looked in the late 70s.

Finally, the video I provided is from 1978, but its duration time is 93 minutes, which means the runtime of 97mins was false.
Well, this convinces me to change the link to 1978. :wacko:
Okay change it. But IMO everybody can check both(?) films as the material is exactly the same.

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Post by joachimt » February 23rd, 2018, 11:52 am

Very good round. Tough choice on #1-#3.

1. Une si jolie petite plage 8/10
2. Yeelen 8/10
3. Dabba 8/10
4. Paviljon VI 6/10
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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 23rd, 2018, 7:46 pm

1. Paviljon VI
2. Yeelen
3. Une si jolie la petite plage
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Post by beavis » February 24th, 2018, 11:41 pm

1. Une si jolie petite plage - 8,5
2. Paviljon VI - 7,8
3. Dabba - 7,5
4. Yeelen - 7,5

very good round indeed!
although the number one would have been very hard to beat, it's one of my alltime favorites
like all four movies very much!

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Post by joachimt » February 25th, 2018, 8:48 am

Score after 7 voters:

Image Une si jolie petite plage: 1.714 (16-5)
Image Yeelen: 2.429 (11-10)
Image Paviljon VI: 2.714 (9-12)
Image Dabba: 3.143 (6-15)
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Post by klaus78 » February 25th, 2018, 1:25 pm

1. Une si jolie petite plage (France) 8/10
2. Yeelen (Mali) 8/10
3. Paviljon VI (Serbia) 7/10
4. Dabba (India) 5/10
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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 25th, 2018, 2:27 pm

Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
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Post by joachimt » February 25th, 2018, 2:54 pm

Mario Gaborović on Feb 25 2018, 07:27:15 AM wrote:Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
I already did right after you gave the definite answer.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 25th, 2018, 3:29 pm

joachimt on Feb 25 2018, 07:54:45 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Feb 25 2018, 07:27:15 AM wrote:Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
I already did right after you gave the definite answer.
I can't see it on the icm page, it's still 1973 version there among 48 films.

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Post by joachimt » February 25th, 2018, 3:57 pm

Mario Gaborović on Feb 25 2018, 08:29:36 AM wrote:
joachimt on Feb 25 2018, 07:54:45 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Feb 25 2018, 07:27:15 AM wrote:Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
I already did right after you gave the definite answer.
I can't see it on the icm page, it's still 1973 version there among 48 films.
Ah, you mean in the iCM-list of this cup? I forgot about that list for a moment. I already changed in the OP of this thread and in the schedule.

I'll change it in the list...
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Post by 72allinncallme » March 1st, 2018, 10:36 am

1. Dabba
2. Une si jolie petite plage
3. Yeelen
4. Paviljon broj VI

For me, this group had the weakest number one, but the strongest number four of all the groups so far. In other words, an extremely close group. Four good movies.

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Post by tarr » March 3rd, 2018, 8:30 am

1. Une si jolie petite plage
2. Paviljon broj VI
3. Yeelen
4. Dabba
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Post by joachimt » March 3rd, 2018, 8:52 am

Image Une si jolie petite plage: 1.6 (24-6)
Image Yeelen: 2.5 (15-15)
Image Paviljon VI: 2.8 (12-18)
Image Dabba: 3.1 (9-21)
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Post by Angel Glez » March 3rd, 2018, 12:44 pm

1. The Lunchbox
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2. Such a Pretty Little Beach
3. Brightness
4. Ward Six

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Post by jvv » March 3rd, 2018, 8:43 pm

1. Une si jolie petite plage - 7.5/10
2. Yeelen - 7/10
3. Dabba - 6/10
4. Paviljon VI - 6/10

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Post by cayado-coro » March 4th, 2018, 6:12 pm

1.Dabba (India)
2.Une si jolie petite plage (France)
3.Yeelen (Mali)
4.Paviljon VI (Serbia)

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Post by Gershwin » March 4th, 2018, 10:08 pm

1. Dabba
2. Une si jolie petite plage
3. Yeelen
4. Paviljon VI
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Post by joachimt » March 4th, 2018, 10:11 pm

Serbia's not doing very well. Five #4-votes from the last six voters.

Image Une si jolie petite plage: 1.643 (33-9)
Image Yeelen: 2.571 (20-22)
Image Dabba: 2.643 (19-23)
Image Paviljon VI: 3.143 (12-30)
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Post by Armoreska » March 5th, 2018, 12:01 am

Yeelen 7(6.5)/10
Dabba 6(.5)/10
Pavilion 6/10
Jolie 5(4.5)/10
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Post by burneyfan » March 6th, 2018, 6:32 am

These rankings are so hard! I keep changing my mind -- thank you so much to klaus, tommy, Mario, and Fergenaprido for such a great round of films.

1.Dabba (India)
2.Une si jolie petite plage (France)
3.Yeelen (Mali)
4.Paviljon VI (Serbia)

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