Welcome to the ICM Forum. If you have an account but have trouble logging in, or have other questions, see THIS THREAD.
500<400 (RESULTS)
Polls: 1994 (Oct 20th), 1997 awards (Oct 24th), 1940s (Oct 26th), Shorts (Nov 16th), Knockout competition (Round 2)
Challenges: Horror, TSPDT, Latin America + Caribbean, 2020 schedule
Film of the Week: Finis terrae, November nominations (Nov 1st)

World Cup, Season 3, Match 1D: France vs India vs Serbia vs Mali

User avatar
RogerTheMovieManiac88
Posts: 1333
Joined: Feb 04, 2017
Location: Westmeath, Ireland
Contact:

World Cup, Season 3, Match 1D: France vs India vs Serbia vs

#81

Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » March 22nd, 2018, 5:18 am

Probably the closest round out of those I've voted on so far.

1. 'Une si jolie petite plage' - 9/10
2. 'Yeelen' - 8.5 or 9/10
3. 'The Lunchbox' - 7.5/10
4. 'Paviljon VI' - 7/10

I loved the downbeat melancholia and memorable use of seaside setting of the Allégret. The Cissé is just so special in terms of lensing, palette and compositions. I liked the locales and the female lead, in particular, of the Indian entry. Pintilie is a masterful director but his Chekhov adaptation didn't fully grab. I did like the ochres of the surrounds and the ending is certainly rather hauntingly memorable.

Nice choices by the managers!

:cheers:
That's all, folks!

User avatar
Mate_cosido
Posts: 675
Joined: Apr 28, 2016
Contact:

#82

Post by Mate_cosido » March 22nd, 2018, 6:14 am

1. Yeelen
2. Paviljon VI
3. Dabba
4. Une si jolie petite plage

User avatar
funkybusiness
Donator
Posts: 10522
Joined: Jan 22, 2013
Contact:

#83

Post by funkybusiness » March 22nd, 2018, 6:47 am

1. Une si jolie petite plage
2. Yeelen
3. Paviljon broj VI
4. Dabba

User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 11269
Joined: Nov 01, 2012
Location: Ukraine
Contact:

#84

Post by Armoreska » March 22nd, 2018, 6:53 am

Yeelen needs only 4 points more. Although statistically unlikely 2 more people will vote for it after such a strong recent performance without counter support
Image
currently working towards a vegan/low waste world + thru such film lists (besides TV): 2010s bests, RW Fassbinder, Luis Bunuel, Yasujiro Ozu, Eric Rohmer, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, 17+ sci-fi lists on watchlist, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo

User avatar
funkybusiness
Donator
Posts: 10522
Joined: Jan 22, 2013
Contact:

#85

Post by funkybusiness » March 22nd, 2018, 6:56 am

They should remake Dabba starring Will Smith so he can have one his Oscar bait movies actually get nominated.

User avatar
PeacefulAnarchy
Moderator
Posts: 23329
Joined: May 08, 2011
Contact:

#86

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 22nd, 2018, 7:35 am

1. Une si jolie petite plage: Noirish despair with beautiful cinematography and great pacing, so glad I got around to this
2. Dabba: A bit one note and gimmicky but much better than I expected. The sentimentality feels genuine and the characterizations are interesting even if they're not as deep as they could be.
3. Yeelen: Watched this a few years ago, I liked it but was never fully engaged.
4. Paviljon VI: Ugh, that thumping mechanical soundtrack. Reading that it was talky and philosophical I really thought I'd be bucking the trend here, but it really doesn't work on screen. Visually it's lacking a bit at times, but it's the monotone performances and the lack of engagement with its own ideas that really hold this back. I can see all the reasons why this could be great, but it keeps missing the mark with its annoying soundtrack and the stop/start nature of the dialogue that feels hesitant and detached.

2 and 3 were neck and neck.
Last edited by PeacefulAnarchy on March 22nd, 2018, 7:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

mjf314
Moderator
Posts: 10807
Joined: May 08, 2011
Contact:

#87

Post by mjf314 » March 22nd, 2018, 8:25 am

1. Dabba
2. Une si jolie petite plage
3. Yeelen
4. Paviljon VI

User avatar
RogerTheMovieManiac88
Posts: 1333
Joined: Feb 04, 2017
Location: Westmeath, Ireland
Contact:

#88

Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » March 22nd, 2018, 8:42 am

Sad that 'Yeelen' appears to have been nudged out. I think it's a pretty remarkable film. The performances though fine aren't really what stays with me from this one. The shades and textures of landscapes and the subtle yet delineated hues of browns, oranges and yellows imbue the tale with a mystical quality that captivated and fascinated. I almost gave it my top spot but I certainly think it should be in the top two out of this group.
That's all, folks!

User avatar
Gershwin
Donator
Posts: 7069
Joined: May 17, 2011
Location: Leiden, NL
Contact:

#89

Post by Gershwin » March 22nd, 2018, 1:49 pm

Mario Gaborović on Mar 21 2018, 04:32:17 PM wrote:
Gershwin on Mar 21 2018, 04:18:02 PM wrote:
Fergenaprido on Mar 21 2018, 12:24:15 PM wrote:(...)
Serbia - Ward Six - I fell asleep thrice in the first 30 minutes. This is not a film for me. Maybe an interesting concept to read about in the original short story (key word: short), but utterly boring for a 90-minute filmed conversation on philosophical chatter. I get the point of the film; I'm simply disinterested in it.
Haha, sums it up pretty well. :thumbsup:
Pitiful is a person who ranks Splash Splash Love ahead of Ward Six. -_-

Would you call 12 Angry Men to be nothing more than a philosophical chatter? As I recall there isn't much beyond that.
Fair enough, 'philosophical chatter' might not be a very apt description. I'm primarily hinting at this part:
Maybe an interesting concept to read about in the original short story (key word: short), but utterly boring for a 90-minute filmed conversation (...)
You can name as many examples as you'd like, but I just couldn't be bothered by Ward Six at all. The story felt constructed and artificial, the acting wasn't convincing at all, and the film looked too much like filmed theatre indeed: there wasn't much to please my eye. 12 Angry Men on the other hand is never boring and never let me loose my attention. I'm not sure what exactly causes that, I'd have to do a rewatch for that, but it simply felt overlong.

I wonder what I'd think about the Chekhov short story. I've loved all I've read by Chekhov so far, so I think the problem lies in the adaptation. But you never know.
RokP 250

Profiles: Untappd - Last.fm - iCM

User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3269
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

#90

Post by Fergenaprido » March 22nd, 2018, 1:55 pm

joachimt on Mar 21 2018, 03:58:59 PM wrote:Dabba and Yeelen are 9 wins apart now. Would be hard for Yeelen to catch up in the last half a day. 40 voters now, so there are probably be a few more voters coming up (other matches had 47, 43 and 42 voters).
(u)

User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3269
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

#91

Post by Fergenaprido » March 22nd, 2018, 1:59 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Mar 22 2018, 01:35:47 AM wrote:4. Paviljon VI: Ugh, that thumping mechanical soundtrack.
Was that the soundtrack? It only came in at certain times, so I thought maybe it was atmospheric noises, like the daily grind of a nearby mill or something.

User avatar
Mario Gaborović
Posts: 3137
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Location: Pančevo
Contact:

#92

Post by Mario Gaborović » March 22nd, 2018, 2:05 pm

Fergenaprido on Mar 22 2018, 07:59:02 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Mar 22 2018, 01:35:47 AM wrote:4. Paviljon VI: Ugh, that thumping mechanical soundtrack.
Was that the soundtrack? It only came in at certain times, so I thought maybe it was atmospheric noises, like the daily grind of a nearby mill or something.
There isn't any soundtrack, only the pounding sound of a factory outside the walls.

User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3269
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

#93

Post by Fergenaprido » March 22nd, 2018, 2:06 pm

Gershwin on Mar 22 2018, 07:49:51 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Mar 21 2018, 04:32:17 PM wrote:
Gershwin on Mar 21 2018, 04:18:02 PM wrote:Haha, sums it up pretty well. :thumbsup:
Pitiful is a person who ranks Splash Splash Love ahead of Ward Six. -_-

Would you call 12 Angry Men to be nothing more than a philosophical chatter? As I recall there isn't much beyond that.
Fair enough, 'philosophical chatter' might not be a very apt description. I'm primarily hinting at this part:
Maybe an interesting concept to read about in the original short story (key word: short), but utterly boring for a 90-minute filmed conversation (...)
You can name as many examples as you'd like, but I just couldn't be bothered by Ward Six at all. The story felt constructed and artificial, the acting wasn't convincing at all, and the film looked too much like filmed theatre indeed: there wasn't much to please my eye. 12 Angry Men on the other hand is never boring and never let me loose my attention. I'm not sure what exactly causes that, I'd have to do a rewatch for that, but it simply felt overlong.

I wonder what I'd think about the Chekhov short story. I've loved all I've read by Chekhov so far, so I think the problem lies in the adaptation. But you never know.
Thanks Gersh :)

Mario, please stop trying to bait me (or Gert). I neither disparaged you, your character, or your taste in film. I simply did not connect with the film you selected; there's no need to attempt to insult or belittle anyone simply for having different cinematic preferences. Also, I haven't rated Ward Six yet so you don't know which one I would rank higher :tongue: (Though Splash will probably win out in the end, yes).

As to 12 Angry Men, that film is engaging. It's not just spewing philosophical thoughts, it's thoughtfully provoking philosophies. The staging, the tension, and flow... all of it contribute to it being (for me) a highly entertaining and engaging film. It doesn't hurt that the source material for that was a full-length stage play, so there's more material to work with.

User avatar
Fergenaprido
Donator
Posts: 3269
Joined: Jun 03, 2014
Location: Malaysia
Contact:

#94

Post by Fergenaprido » March 22nd, 2018, 2:07 pm

Mario Gaborović on Mar 22 2018, 08:05:43 AM wrote:
Fergenaprido on Mar 22 2018, 07:59:02 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Mar 22 2018, 01:35:47 AM wrote:4. Paviljon VI: Ugh, that thumping mechanical soundtrack.
Was that the soundtrack? It only came in at certain times, so I thought maybe it was atmospheric noises, like the daily grind of a nearby mill or something.
There isn't any soundtrack, only the pounding sound of a factory outside the walls.
That makes sense. I actually didn't mind the pounding and the way it created an oppressive atmosphere. One of the few things that worked in the film, for me.

User avatar
Mario Gaborović
Posts: 3137
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Location: Pančevo
Contact:

#95

Post by Mario Gaborović » March 22nd, 2018, 2:14 pm

I guess JT is busy hitting naughty children's palms with a stick, so I'll post the final results of this group:

Image Une si jolie petite plage: 90-45
Image Dabba: 73-62
Image Yeelen: 66-69
Image Paviljon VI: 41-94

France and India advance.
Last edited by Mario Gaborović on March 22nd, 2018, 2:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 11269
Joined: Nov 01, 2012
Location: Ukraine
Contact:

#96

Post by Armoreska » March 22nd, 2018, 2:29 pm

I think this is the first group with no big country upsets, although the most prominent movie lost.
Image
currently working towards a vegan/low waste world + thru such film lists (besides TV): 2010s bests, RW Fassbinder, Luis Bunuel, Yasujiro Ozu, Eric Rohmer, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, 17+ sci-fi lists on watchlist, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo

User avatar
Mario Gaborović
Posts: 3137
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Location: Pančevo
Contact:

#97

Post by Mario Gaborović » March 22nd, 2018, 2:38 pm

Armoreska on Mar 22 2018, 08:29:36 AM wrote:I think this is the first group with no big country upsets, although the most prominent movie lost.
It's also the first time - believe it or not - that France is advancing the first stage in three WC attempts.

User avatar
joachimt
Donator
Posts: 29573
Joined: Feb 16, 2012
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

#98

Post by joachimt » March 22nd, 2018, 9:53 pm

Mario Gaborović on Mar 22 2018, 08:14:25 AM wrote:I guess JT is busy hitting naughty children's palms with a stick, so I'll post the final results of this group:

Image Une si jolie petite plage: 90-45
Image Dabba: 73-62
Image Yeelen: 66-69
Image Paviljon VI: 41-94

France and India advance.
Indeed, I was working. Then family time. Then being a referee at a sports match. Just got home.

Confirmation of the final score:

Image Une si jolie petite plage: 2 (90-45)
Image Dabba: 2.378 (73-62)
Image Yeelen: 2.533 (66-69)
Image Paviljon VI: 3.089 (41-94)

France and India proceed. Congratulations, klaus78 and tommy_leazaq!
Also thanks to Mario Gaborović and Fergenaprido for their picks and to the 45 people who voted this round.
ICM-profile
Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"

Nathan Treadway
Donator
Posts: 3844
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Contact:

#99

Post by Nathan Treadway » March 22nd, 2018, 10:02 pm

Still 41 with perfect attendance?
iCM

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ (Matthew 25:37-40)

User avatar
joachimt
Donator
Posts: 29573
Joined: Feb 16, 2012
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

#100

Post by joachimt » March 22nd, 2018, 10:28 pm

Nathan Treadway on Mar 22 2018, 04:02:56 PM wrote:Still 41 with perfect attendance?
Did I say 41 last time? It's 40 now, but the two users with 3 votes (RBG and PA) did vote this round.
40 voters with 4/4Show
72allinncallme
Angel Glez
Armoreska
beavis
burneyfan
clemmetarey
Cocoa
Daviddoes
edward5
Fergenaprido
Film Junkie
filmbantha
funkybusiness
Gershwin
Gorro
hurluberlu
jdidaco
joachimt
jvv
klaus78
Lilarcor
Mario Gaborović
Mate_cosido
metaller
mjf314
Mochard
Muellwind
Nathan Treadway
Nopros
sacmersault
sebby
Smoover
tarr
tommy_leazaq
toro913
wasabi
weirdboy
XxXApathy420XxX
zhangalan
zuma
3/4Show
PeacefulAnarchy
RBG
2/4Show
cayado-coro
connordenney
RogerTheMovieManiac88
1/4Show
blocho
Cynical Cinephile
musikurt
nimimerkillinen
sortile9io
ICM-profile
Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"

User avatar
joachimt
Donator
Posts: 29573
Joined: Feb 16, 2012
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

#101

Post by joachimt » March 22nd, 2018, 10:29 pm

40 people voted in all three matches so far. That's quite a lot considering a participation of 47, 43 and 42 per match. Most voters seem to play the whole game completely.
It was 40 already last time.
ICM-profile
Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"

User avatar
sacmersault
Posts: 567
Joined: Nov 17, 2013
Contact:

#102

Post by sacmersault » March 23rd, 2018, 10:21 am

Just to be a contrarian, I propose a play-off for smaller countries. Either to qualify to the WC or as an alternative tournament. So that non-historic big countries don't participate. Who agrees?

User avatar
Angel Glez
Posts: 1983
Joined: Apr 02, 2012
Location: Spain
Contact:

#103

Post by Angel Glez » March 23rd, 2018, 1:46 pm

Angel Glez on wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Dec 17 2017, 11:28:00 AM wrote:Don't wanna sound arrogant, but the D group, where I'm manager myself, seems to be the strongest one.

A French classic, a Chekhov adaptation, and best-known African film. I think India seems a bit weaker, but its ratings on IMDb are 7.8 so I wouldn't write it off too early.
I LOVE The Lunchbox so I guess it has very little chance. :P
I didn't see this coming. Congrats, Tommy!

User avatar
Mario Gaborović
Posts: 3137
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Location: Pančevo
Contact:

#104

Post by Mario Gaborović » March 23rd, 2018, 2:19 pm

sacmersault on Mar 23 2018, 04:21:51 AM wrote:Just to be a contrarian, I propose a play-off for smaller countries. Either to qualify to the WC or as an alternative tournament. So that non-historic big countries don't participate. Who agrees?
Bad decision for so many reasons.

First, what's big and what's small country - the limits are murky. Second, it would be dumb for big countries not to participate at all, while on the other hand, if they'd do, play-offs for "smaller" countries would be discriminating as they first need to break the first barrier among themselves, and ONLY THEN they could face "big" countries. For instance, Bolivia would eliminate Latvia with Ukamau easily but ended up weakened when against the Czech Republic since they'd have to choose another film.

I'm interested where do you see problem with the present system as upsets are more frequent than you think. (for example, France advanced to the second stage only in the 3rd attempt, Germany is yet to do it - we'll see about this season, etc).
Last edited by Mario Gaborović on March 23rd, 2018, 2:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Nathan Treadway
Donator
Posts: 3844
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Contact:

#105

Post by Nathan Treadway » March 23rd, 2018, 3:56 pm

I'd be extremely surprised if Germany doesn't get out of the first round with the film chosen. (But that's a few months away, yet.)
Last edited by Nathan Treadway on March 23rd, 2018, 3:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
iCM

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ (Matthew 25:37-40)

Nathan Treadway
Donator
Posts: 3844
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Contact:

#106

Post by Nathan Treadway » March 23rd, 2018, 4:02 pm

joachimt on Mar 22 2018, 04:29:48 PM wrote:
40 people voted in all three matches so far. That's quite a lot considering a participation of 47, 43 and 42 per match. Most voters seem to play the whole game completely.
It was 40 already last time.
:cheers:

So far, 80% of the people have played the entire game. Hopefully the only cause for decrease will be new participants!
iCM

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ (Matthew 25:37-40)

tommy_leazaq
Donator
Posts: 3420
Joined: May 18, 2011
Location: Chennai, India
Contact:

#107

Post by tommy_leazaq » March 23rd, 2018, 5:23 pm

Angel Glez on Mar 23 2018, 07:46:36 AM wrote:
Angel Glez on wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Dec 17 2017, 11:28:00 AM wrote:Don't wanna sound arrogant, but the D group, where I'm manager myself, seems to be the strongest one.

A French classic, a Chekhov adaptation, and best-known African film. I think India seems a bit weaker, but its ratings on IMDb are 7.8 so I wouldn't write it off too early.
I LOVE The Lunchbox so I guess it has very little chance. :P
I didn't see this coming. Congrats, Tommy!
Yeah, its really tough group and Im happy to see India made it. Kudos to all the other managers as well for choosing very good films.

User avatar
Gershwin
Donator
Posts: 7069
Joined: May 17, 2011
Location: Leiden, NL
Contact:

#108

Post by Gershwin » March 28th, 2018, 1:28 pm

Mario Gaborović on Mar 23 2018, 08:19:10 AM wrote:
sacmersault on Mar 23 2018, 04:21:51 AM wrote:Just to be a contrarian, I propose a play-off for smaller countries. Either to qualify to the WC or as an alternative tournament. So that non-historic big countries don't participate. Who agrees?
Bad decision for so many reasons.

First, what's big and what's small country - the limits are murky. Second, it would be dumb for big countries not to participate at all, while on the other hand, if they'd do, play-offs for "smaller" countries would be discriminating as they first need to break the first barrier among themselves, and ONLY THEN they could face "big" countries. For instance, Bolivia would eliminate Latvia with Ukamau easily but ended up weakened when against the Czech Republic since they'd have to choose another film.

I'm interested where do you see problem with the present system as upsets are more frequent than you think. (for example, France advanced to the second stage only in the 3rd attempt, Germany is yet to do it - we'll see about this season, etc).
Well, I've been seeing way too many mediocre films from small-output countries during this WC. I wouldn't mind a solution to that, although I doubt a play-off for smaller countries is the best one thinkable. But basically there are just too many countries participating.
RokP 250

Profiles: Untappd - Last.fm - iCM

Post Reply