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World Cup, Season 3, Match 1A: Russia vs Iran vs Croatia vs Burkina Faso

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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2017, 1:15 pm

This is match 1A of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
RussiaKholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretegoThe Cold Summer of 19531988blocholinklink
IranGavaznhaThe Deer1974zhangalanlinklink
CroatiaNe okreci se sineMy Son Don't Turn Round1956Mochardlinklink
Burkina FasoBuud Yam1997hurluberlu linklink

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- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Jan 28th
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The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by lowest average ranking.
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 48 films from 48 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 12 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 24 remaining countries will be divided into 8 groups of 3. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each group proceeds to the next round. The final 8 countries compete one-on-one in the quarter finals (with a new movie of course) and so on till the final.
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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2017, 1:27 pm

And in the light of recent discussions about more activity and more discussion, feel free to discuss the movies. If you talk about the plot, use spoiler-tags where needed. No need to spoiler all discussion,so you can post opinions out in the open. If people don't want to read opinions prior to watching, they just shouldn't open this thread until they've seen all movies.
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Post by toro913 » December 31st, 2017, 2:27 pm

1. Buud Yam
2. The cold summer of 1953
3. My son don’t turn around
4. The deers

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 31st, 2017, 3:16 pm

1. Buud Yam
2. Ne okreći se sine
3. Gavaznha
4. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego

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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2017, 4:34 pm

Mario, will you be counting the scores again this season as a backup? Just the average is enough.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 31st, 2017, 4:39 pm

joachimt on Dec 31 2017, 09:34:20 AM wrote:Mario, will you be counting the scores again this season as a backup? Just the average is enough.
Yes. But I'm gonna do head-to-head numbers as well.

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Post by Cocoa » December 31st, 2017, 4:54 pm

1. Ne okreci se sine 8/10
2. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego 7/10
3. Gavaznha 6/10
4. Buud Yam 6/10

Ne okreci se sine: Loved every second of it :wub:

Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego: It took a while for me to become invested into the film (the action and setting helped me like it more than the characters), but good overall.

Gavaznha: The first 20 minutes or so were great. I would have ranked this second if just based off that... but the film quickly goes downhill afterwards and stops being enjoyable.

Buud Yam: ... It felt so bland. There is nothing I can praise about this film. I was so close to rating it 5/10 and I don't remember what stopped me. It also includes a couple of scenes from Wend Kuuni (which I would have ranked second if it was in this match instead of Buud Yam)... idk this film felt lazy and uninspiring.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 31st, 2017, 5:14 pm

Cocoa on Dec 31 2017, 09:54:13 AM wrote:Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego: It took a while for me to become invested into the film (the action and setting helped me like it more than the characters), but good overall.
It felt bland to me as I've seen lots of harsher criticisms of authoritarian regimes so far; and why so many Eastern European WWII films dilute their story with things completely irrelevant to the main story? Like too much focus on that girl and her skin. There's also nothing of great cinematography, depth-in quality of picture.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 31st, 2017, 6:03 pm

1. Buud Yam (1997)
2. فیلم گوزنها [The Deer] (1976)
3. Ne okreći se sine [My Son Don't Turn Round] (1956)
4. Холодное лето пятьдесят третьего... [Cold Summer of 1953] (1987)
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Post by Mochard » December 31st, 2017, 6:56 pm

1. Ne okreći se sine (1956) - 8.25/10
2. Gavaznha (1974) - 8/10
3. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego (1988) - 7.5/10
4. Buud Yam (1997) - 5/10

This was a three horse race for me. I watched Buud Yam about 5 years ago and although a rewatch may have been in order, I trust my 5 year old rating that it wouldn't have affected my top 3.

It was definitely a close decision but the Croatian entry just edged it for me. Great opening group to kick things off.

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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2017, 8:16 pm

So far Buud Yam only had #1- and #4-votes. :o

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1. Image Ne okreci se sine: 2 (10-5)
2. Image Buud Yam: 2.2 (9-6)
3. Image Gavaznha: 2.8 (6-9)
4. Image Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego: 3 (5-10)
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Post by mjf314 » January 1st, 2018, 12:18 am

1. Ne okreci se sine
2. Buud Yam
3. Gavaznha
4. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego

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Post by joachimt » January 1st, 2018, 12:22 am

mjf314 on Dec 31 2017, 05:18:11 PM wrote:1. Ne okreci se sine
2. Buud Yam
3. Gavaznha
4. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego
So soon already? :thumbsup:
Last season you waited till right before the deadline almost every match.
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Post by Lilarcor » January 1st, 2018, 12:31 am

None of these were home runs but all were decent:

1. Ne okreći se sine (1956) - 7/10
2. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego (1988) - 7/10
3. Buud Yam (1997) - 6/10
4. Gavaznha (1974) - 6/10

Ne okreći se sine - interesting and impressive mix of film noir and neorealism.

Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego - a fairly different "ostern" to others I've seen, but it still works, refreshing.

Buud Yam - Doesn't really become a distinctive film that I can get excited about, but solid filmmaking

Gavaznha - More important than good to me, honestly. Very different compared to most Iranian films I've seen in style and content, but I wasn't fully invested through all of it. It does have its moments however.

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Post by Gershwin » January 2nd, 2018, 12:15 pm

1. Gavaznha (1974)
2. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego (1988)
3. Ne okreci se sine (1956)
4. Buud Yam (1997)
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Post by RBG » January 2nd, 2018, 1:40 pm

1. Gavaznha (1974)
2. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego (1988)
3. Ne okreci se sine (1956)
4. Buud Yam (1997)

likewise for me though i enjoyed them all. i watched buud yam directly after wend kuuni which was much better imo. i don't know that i've seen an 'ostern' before so that was fun
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Post by joachimt » January 2nd, 2018, 2:52 pm

So far a clear lead for Ne okreci se sine.

1. Image Ne okreci se sine: 2 (18-9)
2. Image Gavaznha: 2.556 (13-14)
3. Image Buud Yam: 2.667 (12-15)
4. Image Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego: 2.778 (11-16)
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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 2nd, 2018, 3:12 pm

Once again a non-official film is winning. Sadly that won't help in getting more votes from National Registry-kindoflists' regular checkers. -_-

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Post by joachimt » January 2nd, 2018, 4:17 pm

Mario Gaborović on Jan 2 2018, 08:12:53 AM wrote:Once again a non-official film is winning. Sadly that won't help in getting more votes from National Registry-kindoflists' regular checkers. -_-
Once again? Did it happen often in the previous seasons? I can't remember. Didn't keep track of it.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 2nd, 2018, 4:41 pm

joachimt on Jan 2 2018, 09:17:07 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Jan 2 2018, 08:12:53 AM wrote:Once again a non-official film is winning. Sadly that won't help in getting more votes from National Registry-kindoflists' regular checkers. -_-
Once again? Did it happen often in the previous seasons? I can't remember. Didn't keep track of it.
Not too many times actually, but if it stays like this, it would be seventh win in total. Which isn't insignificant.
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Post by hurluberlu » January 2nd, 2018, 9:00 pm

Mario Gaborović on Jan 2 2018, 09:41:30 AM wrote:
joachimt on Jan 2 2018, 09:17:07 AM wrote:
Mario Gaboroviæ on Jan 2 2018, 08:12:53 AM wrote:Once again a non-official film is winning. Sadly that won't help in getting more votes from National Registry-kindoflists' regular checkers. -_-
Once again? Did it happen often in the previous seasons? I can't remember. Didn't keep track of it.
Not too many times actually, but if it stays like this, it would be seventh win in total. Which isn't insignificant.
After two days of voting, it is early to claim victory, dont you think ? Wait for Burkina Faso magic to play out... :thumbsup:
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 2nd, 2018, 9:19 pm

hurluberlu on Jan 2 2018, 02:00:39 PM wrote:Wait for Burkina Faso magic to play out... :thumbsup:
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Post by Mate_cosido » January 2nd, 2018, 10:21 pm

1. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego (1988)
2. Buud Yam (1997)
3. Ne okreci se sine (1956)
4. Gavaznha (1974)

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Post by joachimt » January 2nd, 2018, 10:24 pm

First #1 vote for Russia.
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Post by Armoreska » January 3rd, 2018, 12:13 am

I wonder how often is it gonna happen that all 4 movies get at least 1 #1 vote
(well besides the manager)
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Post by joachimt » January 3rd, 2018, 10:19 pm

1. Ne okreci se sine 8/10
2. Gavaznha 7/10
3. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego 7/10
4. Buud Yam 6/10

Probably not a surprising #1-vote from me, because you all know I'm a sucker for Eastern European B&W war drama's. The premises is simple, but the way I like them and the story is heartbreaking. Although the kid wasn't a very convincing role, the ending was touching.

It was a close call between Gavaznha and Kholodnoe, but I decided to vote for the one with the most interesting characters. Maybe Kholodnoe would have convinced me more, if I had known more about the background of the situation. The way it was presented, I didn't get interested enough in any of the characters, although the tension of the situation was good. Gavaznha certainly made me feel for the characters much more.

Buud Yam didn't grab me much at all. Sorry, Art. Your choice should be losing again. :P
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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 3rd, 2018, 10:37 pm

joachimt on Jan 3 2018, 03:19:54 PM wrote:Although the kid wasn't a very convincing role
I thought that, too. But you may know the lead actor (who is actually Slovenian) - Bert Sotlar, from Tistega lepega dne/One Fine Day.

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Post by joachimt » January 3rd, 2018, 10:40 pm

Mario Gaborović on Jan 3 2018, 03:37:30 PM wrote:
joachimt on Jan 3 2018, 03:19:54 PM wrote:Although the kid wasn't a very convincing role
I thought that, too. But you may know the lead actor (who is actually Slovenian) - Bert Sotlar, from Tistega lepega dne/One Fine Day.
Ah, I thought he looked familiar. :thumbsup:
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Post by 72allinncallme » January 4th, 2018, 11:23 pm

1. Ne okreci se sine
2. Buud Yam
3. Gavaznha
4. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego

A clear winner imo.

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Post by beavis » January 5th, 2018, 11:37 pm

1. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego - 7,5
2. Buud Yam - 7,5
3. Gavaznha - 7,5
4. Ne okreci se sine - 7,5

Hard to chooce between them actually! only my number 1 had a clear small edge over the other three.
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Post by sacmersault » January 6th, 2018, 2:26 am

1. Buud Yam 8/10
2. Gavaznha 7/10
3. Ne okreci se sine 6/10
4. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego 5/10

Gavaznha was very good just a bit over dramatic and towards the end got a bit floppy.

The last two, it was painful to watch. I was surprised to read that both films are considered some of the best in their countries. The Croatian film was just average to poor and the Russian one was super boring. It felt like one of those movies that they put on Saturday night and that the only person watching in the house is the grandma who doesn't go out. There was absolutely nothing special. I wouldn't say I dislike it; I think it is straight bad.

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Post by joachimt » January 6th, 2018, 10:14 am

beavis on Jan 5 2018, 04:37:03 PM wrote:1. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego - 7,5
2. Buud Yam - 7,5
3. Gavaznha - 7,5
4. Ne okreci se sine - 7,5

Hard to chooce between them actually! only my number 1 had a clear small edge over the other three.
But this is what I make of it now, and will have to do
As clear as smaller than 0.05? :huh:
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Post by joachimt » January 6th, 2018, 10:16 am

Differences are getting smaller. Two smallest film-countries in the lead.

1. Image Ne okreci se sine: 2.143 (26-16)
2. Image Buud Yam: 2.5 (21-21)
3. Image Gavaznha: 2.643 (19-23)
4. Image Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego: 2.714 (18-24)
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Post by Armoreska » January 6th, 2018, 10:18 am

Maybe if you watched Ne okreci se sine with the new soon to be upgraded sub, it wouldn't've placed last.
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Post by sebby » January 6th, 2018, 10:42 am

1. Gavaznha - 5.5/10
2. Buud Yam - 5.5/10
3. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego - 5/10
4. Ne okreci se sine - 4.5/10

Nothing struck me as special in this group. Originally had Buud Yam ahead of Gavaznha, but as I have thought about it more I have to say I prefer Iran's entry by just a hair.

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Post by beavis » January 6th, 2018, 10:43 am

joachimt on Jan 6 2018, 03:14:58 AM wrote:
beavis on Jan 5 2018, 04:37:03 PM wrote:1. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego - 7,5
2. Buud Yam - 7,5
3. Gavaznha - 7,5
4. Ne okreci se sine - 7,5

Hard to chooce between them actually! only my number 1 had a clear small edge over the other three.
But this is what I make of it now, and will have to do
As clear as smaller than 0.05? :huh:
If you want to express it in a number :) it's more a personal preference...

No actually i did put it in a number: usually i rate in 5 stars with a half star incline and out of ten points with a half point incline. The Russian movie got rounded off to 4 stars while the others stayed at 3.5 stars... So the exact numerical difference could indeed be between 7.3 and 7.8 if i chose to give points with a tenth point incline :)

Or between 7.25 and 7.75 if you want to be even more exact. Bottom line is more than a 7 and less than 4 stars for my numbers 1 - 4 with number 1 being at 7.75 and the other three closer to 7.5
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Post by beavis » January 6th, 2018, 11:00 am

Armoreska on Jan 6 2018, 03:18:46 AM wrote:Maybe if you watched Ne okreci se sine with the new soon to be upgraded sub, it wouldn't've placed last.
Again more a personal preference than a matter of wonky subs. The subs i found weren't that bad actually and the story and characters were so clear that i at no point felt i was missing something. It's a wellmade movie for me, but too predictable and i didn't like the cliché dramatic way the ending was handeled.

An enjoyable good movie that most people will like but that also has some clear flaws or generic handling of drama gets a 7.5 from me. That discription fits all four movies, hence my ratings. Personal preference sorts out the ranking :)
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Post by zhangalan » January 6th, 2018, 11:54 am

XxXApathy420XxX on Dec 31 2017, 11:03:32 AM wrote:1. Buud Yam (1997)
2. فیلم گوزنها [The Deer] (1976)
3. Ne okreći se sine [My Son Don't Turn Round] (1956)
4. Холодное лето пятьдесят третьего... [Cold Summer of 1953] (1987)
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Post by zhangalan » January 6th, 2018, 12:18 pm

1. Gavaznha
2. Ne okreci se sine
3. Buud Yam
4. Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego

I watched two films of Masoud Kimiai, Gavaznha and Gheisar. Somehow both films remind me of Jacques Audiard's works, in which on the surface the film is a crime genre, but deep inside it is a character study of the outsiders. Gheisar has more intense and dramatic action scenes, but Gavaznha is better in terms of character development. One thing that surprises me is that the two main characters try to use poverty and social injustice as an excuse of their crime (murder and robbery) and even view their action as act of heroism. This type of controversial characters is what I love of the film since they are more like real people in the real world society and more convincing, unlike the righteous heroes in the blockbusters.
And salute to Behrouz Vossoughi, one of the greatest performance I've seen!

Buud Yam is another film I've seen before in the beginning of this match. Well mix between coming-of-age and adventure with good cinematography (I think this is very important for an adventure film, and I just completed Blade Runner 2049, no kidding the cinematography is what helps me get through the boring first half). I expect to rank Buud Yam second, but then there is a great choice from Croatia, a big surprise that I am glad to meet when this is only the first match of this season. An underrated film noir using WWll as the background. The interaction between the father and the son is emotionally engaging, and the escape scenes are intense and entertaining.
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Post by joachimt » January 6th, 2018, 12:55 pm

16 voters in the first week. Let's keep up that pace, people! :)
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