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World Cup, Season 2, Match SF-A: Egypt vs Italy

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World Cup, Season 2, Match SF-A: Egypt vs Italy

#81

Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 2nd, 2017, 2:31 am

monty on Feb 1 2017, 07:30:08 PM wrote:What is it that you have in your pocket, Mario? A Serbian Film, maybe?
Please... no.
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#82

Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 2:31 am

monty on Feb 1 2017, 07:24:38 PM wrote:The trouble with Balkan films as summarized by a respected Balkan film critic:
I suppose people who are not from the Balkans might not get most of it... but if you're local you'll surely love it
Ovecoming provincialism sure is a major obstacle for Balkan film making headway internationally, wouldn't you agree, Mario?

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#83

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 2:34 am

jvv on Feb 1 2017, 07:29:35 PM wrote:Maybe we could do a shorter, alternative world cup this year with only countries that haven't been selected before. Say 16 countries and straight into 1 on 1 elimination matches.
We could do a full world cup again next year then.
Doesn't sound good, it's better combining them all. Why making another kind of cup?

But as I said, minor European countries can perform better than Philippines for sure.

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#84

Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 2:39 am

Btw, Mario, would you consider Rane (1998) a good film?

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#85

Post by HVM » February 2nd, 2017, 2:40 am

For monty:

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#86

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 2:46 am

monty on Feb 1 2017, 07:31:29 PM wrote:Ovecoming provincialism sure is a major obstacle for Balkan film making headway internationally, wouldn't you agree, Mario?
At least here you can find out about many good films not having any international success, but nevertheless I can't figure out what are you saying, because Makavejev, Kusturica, Angelopoulos and Petrović enjoyed it enough to undermine your theory. However I'm not the fan of them, I like less known filmmakers. And today you have those Romanian dudes, too.

Rane is an average film IMO.
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Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 3:03 am

Rane is trash IMO.
Anyhow, I wish you luck with promoting Serbian film, just no partisan efforts, please.

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#88

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 3:12 am

monty on Feb 1 2017, 08:03:39 PM wrote:Rane is trash IMO.
Anyhow, I wish you luck with promoting Serbian film, just no partisan efforts, please.
I also count on your genuine, true taste, rather than "let's vote against him to prove he's wrong" actions. :lol:

Btw I recently realized Prostitutka is a Belarussian film (just like other Belgoskino output) which has good ratings elsewhere, so there's possibility of another new country doing well.
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Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 3:15 am

You wouldn't by any chance be a fan of Goran Paskaljevic, Mario? Also, maybe this could be one of your Cup noms?
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Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 3:36 am

And Mario, regarding Belarus, you should check out this film: https://itvs.org/films/belarusian-waltz

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#91

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 3:45 am

monty on Feb 1 2017, 08:36:16 PM wrote:And Mario, regarding Belarus, you should check out this film: https://itvs.org/films/belarusian-waltz
Bialoruski walc is a Polish film, not Belarussian. And I'm not gonna use Parada or Rane but probably something like this:

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#92

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 4:24 am

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A week left.

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#93

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 5:06 am

monty on Feb 1 2017, 08:12:04 PM wrote:just no partisan efforts, please.
What do you mean by partisan efforts? WW2 films or some kind of average-quality efforts?

I'm not even a war genre fan. I'm more of a psychology guy.
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Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 12:12 pm

Mario Gaborović on Feb 1 2017, 10:06:12 PM wrote:
monty on Feb 1 2017, 08:12:04 PM wrote:just no partisan efforts, please.
What do you mean by partisan efforts?
Partizanski film

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Post by Armoreska » February 2nd, 2017, 2:00 pm

Subversive movie?
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#96

Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 2:43 pm

Many are obsessed with partisan flicks, but not me, don't worry.

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#97

Post by joachimt » February 2nd, 2017, 6:55 pm

Mario Gaborović on Feb 1 2017, 09:24:45 PM wrote:Image678 - ImageIl posto: 1 - 18

A week left.
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Wait! In between two pages of Monty/Mario-discussion someone sneaked in between to vote for 678?! :unsure:
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Yeah, HVM, you might think you got away with it, but I saw you. You are hereby officially disqualified to participate in the next season. :hmph:
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Post by HVM » February 2nd, 2017, 8:39 pm

joachimt on Feb 2 2017, 11:55:21 AM wrote:
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Yeah, HVM, you might think you got away with it, but I saw you. You are hereby officially disqualified to participate in the next season. :hmph:
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Ha! The joke's on you. I've been running on fumes for a while so I don't think I'm watching ~60 random movies ever again. :folded:
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#99

Post by klaus78 » February 2nd, 2017, 10:54 pm

1. Il posto (Italy) 8.5/10
2. 678 (Egypt) 5.5/10
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#100

Post by monty » February 2nd, 2017, 11:12 pm

And things are back to normal.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2017, 11:19 pm

monty on Feb 2 2017, 04:12:06 PM wrote:And things are back to normal.
Are you salami? I just couldn't believe you actually listened to my recs. :lol:
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#102

Post by clemmetarey » February 4th, 2017, 12:25 am

1. Il posto (1961) 6/10
2. 678 (2010) 6/10

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#103

Post by sortile9io » February 4th, 2017, 8:00 pm

1. Il posto — 7/10
2. 678 — 6/10

"678" succeeds in gaining my sympathies for the cause it denounces but it feels as a run-of-the-mill work, whereas "Il posto", even in spite of its unexciting tone, delivers all the time a sense of exceptional artistry.

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#104

Post by Fergenaprido » February 4th, 2017, 10:26 pm

Egypt - Wasn't sure what to expect for this one, but I ended up enjoying it. I liked the three intertwining stories, and the way they complemented each other while contrasting the police detective's narrative. It's not a subtle film, by any means, but I think that's it's strength. It attacks the subject head on, with brute force, and is not going to shy away from it. I think anything less would have been a disservice to the message and would have downplayed the actual problem. Despite the bluntness, I found the film had a lot of nuance to it. I liked the scene where the jeweller has just cut her hair and is seen walking outside, and passes an advertisement filled with women wearing hijabs.

Italy - I really liked the storyline following the boy. I don't understand why, halfway through, it started to show small snippets of the lives of the other workers. There was no emotional investment, no connecting threads, and no reason to include them. It was by far the weakest part of the film for me. It picked up again at the end with the party, but by then I'd stopped caring so much about what was going to happen. Soft-spoken people irritate me to no end, so I also found difficulty sympathizing with the boy (though I know I contradict myself somewhat when I say that his being soft-spoken still makes sense for the character). It reminds me a lot of La cotta (1967), also by Olmi, in which we follow a forlorn lad who is lovestruck with an absent ladyfriend. That one is shorter and more focused, and I think it's better because of it.


1. Cairo 678 - 7.5ish
2. Il posto - 7ish

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Post by sortile9io » February 4th, 2017, 10:49 pm

Fergenaprido on Feb 4 2017, 03:26:08 PM wrote:Soft-spoken people irritate me to no end, so I also found difficulty sympathizing with the boy (though I know I contradict myself somewhat when I say that his being soft-spoken still makes sense for the character).
I must admit the first time I saw it I was also exasperated by his bland character. But now I look at him with kinder eyes.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 4th, 2017, 11:02 pm

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4.5 days left.

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Post by Lilarcor » February 4th, 2017, 11:31 pm

Fergenaprido on Feb 4 2017, 03:26:08 PM wrote:Egypt - Wasn't sure what to expect for this one, but I ended up enjoying it. I liked the three intertwining stories, and the way they complemented each other while contrasting the police detective's narrative. It's not a subtle film, by any means, but I think that's it's strength. It attacks the subject head on, with brute force, and is not going to shy away from it. I think anything less would have been a disservice to the message and would have downplayed the actual problem. Despite the bluntness, I found the film had a lot of nuance to it. I liked the scene where the jeweller has just cut her hair and is seen walking outside, and passes an advertisement filled with women wearing hijabs.
Yup, these were my thoughts as well.

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Post by RBG » February 4th, 2017, 11:56 pm

that kid reminded me of buster keaton ^_^

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#109

Post by weirdboy » February 5th, 2017, 12:31 am

1. Il posto
2. 678

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Post by zhangalan » February 5th, 2017, 1:51 pm

Il posto is a well-established canon and a masterpiece without doubt.
However, applause to Tommy who brings a small country to this far :thumbsup: .

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Post by Angel Glez » February 5th, 2017, 6:31 pm

1. Cairo 678
2. The Job

Egypt: Character study, social criticism and thriller elements to catch the viewer's attention, what more could one ask for? It reminds me of Asghar Farhadi. And Diab's next film, Clash, is also very good. Excellent choice, tommy.
Italy: Yeah, Olmi is great, but The Job is not my favorite. Give me his previous/next feature any day (Il tempo si è fermato/I fidanzati).

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Post by joachimt » February 5th, 2017, 6:46 pm

Image678 - ImageIl posto: 3 - 23
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Post by beavis » February 5th, 2017, 7:20 pm

Il posto - 8
Cairo 6,7,8 - 7

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Post by tommy_leazaq » February 6th, 2017, 9:35 pm

1. 678 - 7.5
2. Il Posto - 7


To be honest, I'm happy to see Egypt has reached at this level so I'm not worried about the landslide victory of the opposition, especially when it is a loved canonical classic from one of the biggest countries. Could have happened against Japan as well. Also its nice to see quite a few 7s from those who didn't vote for Egypt, so its not like everyone hates this film. And special thanks to the fellow three voters.. :D

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#115

Post by sortile9io » February 7th, 2017, 2:38 pm

Where's Gershwin? He's been asking for "Il posto" for months and now he disappears.

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Post by joachimt » February 7th, 2017, 2:50 pm

He's probably just late. He's often busy.
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Post by Gershwin » February 7th, 2017, 4:01 pm

sortile9io on Feb 7 2017, 07:38:59 AM wrote:Where's Gershwin? He's been asking for "Il posto" for months and now he disappears.
joachimt on Feb 7 2017, 07:50:28 AM wrote:He's probably just late. He's often busy.
Let's say I'm just extremely happy, not only because Il posto is winning, but also because there's another little Gershwin (f/m) on its way. ^_^

Which makes me even more busy than normally, so I'm skipping this round - Cairo 678 doesn't look so interesting, tbh.
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#118

Post by jvv » February 7th, 2017, 4:07 pm

Gershwin on Feb 7 2017, 09:01:38 AM wrote:Let's say I'm just extremely happy, not only because Il posto is winning, but also because there's another little Gershwin (f/m) on its way. ^_^
Congratulations, Gert. :cheers:

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Post by joachimt » February 7th, 2017, 4:17 pm

Hooray!!! :thumbsup:
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