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World Cup, Season 2, Match QF-D: Spain vs Taiwan

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World Cup, Season 2, Match QF-D: Spain vs Taiwan

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Post by HVM » January 15th, 2017, 5:25 pm

1. Guang yin de gu shi 7/10 The first two segments were sublime.
2. El cochecito 7/10


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Post by Lilarcor » January 15th, 2017, 5:36 pm

1. Guang yin de gu shi 8/10
2. El cochecito 7/10

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Post by joachimt » January 15th, 2017, 5:53 pm

ImageEl cochecito - ImageGuang yin de gu shi: 12 - 8
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Post by Carmel1379 » January 15th, 2017, 7:22 pm

#1 &#20809;&#38512;&#30340;&#25925;&#20107;/Guang yin de gu shi/In Our Time (1982, The-Chen Tao, Edward Yang, Yi-Chen Ko, Yi Chang)
#2 El cochecito/The Little Coach (1960, Marco Ferreri)
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Post by Armoreska » January 15th, 2017, 8:50 pm

Guang yin de gu shi 6/10
Cochecito 5(.5)/10
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Post by sortile9io » January 15th, 2017, 9:57 pm

The little car is running out of gas! :circle:

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Post by clemmetarey » January 17th, 2017, 1:52 am

Guang yin de gu shi (1982) 7/10
El cochecito (1960) 5/10

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Post by Armoreska » January 17th, 2017, 2:13 am

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Post by monty » January 17th, 2017, 2:34 am

1. El cochecito (1960)

2. Guang yin de gu shi (1982)

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Post by joachimt » January 17th, 2017, 7:53 am

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Post by zhangalan » January 17th, 2017, 1:16 pm

I nearly don't realise the Spanish film is made by an Italian director. The style is very different from Dillinger is Dead and The Great Feast though. On the other hand more like Berlanga with beautiful sequence shots. Interesting story and characters.

As for In Our Time, the second and third segments are fine. I love the Yang in this one more than his later works like Taipei Story and The Terrorizers. I always think that Yang's films try too hard to be depressing and hopeless (same as Haneke) and I don't like it. But in this film, Yang's segment has more emotion and humanity. The last segment is too short and forgettable, while the first segment is immature in filmmaking techniques with overload of music and sketchily developed characters.

1. Joint force between Spain and Italy
2. Joint force between Taiwaneses

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 17th, 2017, 10:21 pm

Very close call for me. Taiwan wins mostly because of its superb first segment.

1. Guang yin de gu shi (1982): 7.2 (- Little Dragonhead: 8.0 Expectations: 7.2 Leapfrog: 7.0 Say Your Name: 7.0)
2. El cochecito (1960): 7.2

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 17th, 2017, 10:23 pm

Perception de Ambiguity on Jan 6 2017, 04:11:44 PM wrote:My review (or something) of 'In Our Time':

First up is “Little Dragon Head” which to me is up there with the great childhood nostalgia films, and I was very surprised to learn afterwards that it wasn’t directed by Edward Yang because it had quite a few similarities to other Yang works, especially to 'A Brighter Summer Day', from its time period, to various motifs like the precious family radio, to the boy protagonist, to the film's brilliant evocation of childhood nostalgia, to most of all the self-assured and very sophisticated direction.
I thought exactly the same till I read who directed which segment afterwards
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Post by tommy_leazaq » January 18th, 2017, 10:55 am

1. In Our Time - 6.7 - First story looked like a leaf out of HHH's book. Can't say I liked it. Second one, on the first shot itself reminded me of Brighter Summer Day and easily the best of the lot. Credits to the young girl's acting. Fourth is the one I liked the best. Give me a funny outtake on married man's troubles any day. It was the romanticized third one which almost pulled it down but the rest did well enough to hold the first spot.

2. The Little Coach - 6.6 - Nice film but nothing really impressed me.

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Post by monty » January 18th, 2017, 10:57 am

So you guys don't judge anthology films as a whole? Good to know...

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Post by Angel Glez » January 18th, 2017, 11:59 am

1. The Little Coach
2. In Our Time

It was closer than I expected. I don't really like Ferreri's filmography with the exception of his two early Spanish films, El pisito y El cochecito, and I still prefer the first one. Unexpectedly, I liked the whole portmanteau film, even if Yang's episode stand out from the others (it's the most evocative).

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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 18th, 2017, 12:48 pm

ImageEl cochecito - ImageGuang yin de gu shi: 15 - 13

23 hours left.
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Post by zhangalan » January 18th, 2017, 12:51 pm

Mario Gaborović on Jan 18 2017, 05:48:38 AM wrote:ImageEl cochecito - ImageGuang yin de gu shi: 15 - 13

23 hours left.
I don't have any hope in Taiwan in the beginning, but now there is a chance. Kinda surprising.

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Post by Armoreska » January 18th, 2017, 1:51 pm

I think the chance was earlier when Taiwan was on a spree and is mostly gone now. Taiwan needs 3 votes and Spain only one to ensure victory.
Maybe someone can rethink their vote, then it'll be a tie.
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Post by jvv » January 19th, 2017, 2:45 am

1. El cochecito - 6.5/10
2. Guang yin de gu shi - 6/10

El cochecito - I liked the scheming of the old man, but the movie lost steam when it turned into everyone just bickering. Also
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Guang yin de gu shi - None of the segments were bad, but none of them stood out either. I connected most with the second one.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 19th, 2017, 3:37 am

Now it's decided, only 8.5 hours left and Spain is three votes ahead.

Maybe the managers should give their semifinal picks already, why losing much time on waiting.

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Post by Fergenaprido » January 19th, 2017, 6:43 am

Mario Gaborović on Jan 18 2017, 08:37:22 PM wrote:Now it's decided, only 8.5 hours left and Spain is three votes ahead.

Maybe the managers should give their semifinal picks already, why losing much time on waiting.
What time is being lost? Why the rush?

On a similar note, I really hope there is a break between the end of this Season and the beginning of the next Season. I enjoy the WC for the most part, but it's too many obscure films for someone like me who hasn't already seen them all.



Anyway, I've got 25 minutes left of the Spanish film to watch; I'm still undecided which film I like better.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 19th, 2017, 7:35 am

joachimt on Jan 5 2017, 05:45:34 AM wrote:now the voice of the little boy. Did they use a voice-over? The voice doesn't sound at all like a voice you would expect from such a little boy. Or maybe I'm just nit-picking.
Glad I'm not the only who was one thrown off by this.

1. El Cochecito 8/10
2. In Our Time 6/10

Each segment of In Our Time is worse than the one before, none match El Cochecito. The first is pretty close, though a very different style. It captures some really honest moments of childhood and does so well. It's a bit lacking in development and treads water a bit too much, though I liked the ending. The second segment is pretty good too, even though it too lacks forward momentum it's still a decent little coming of age short. The third is where it all falls apart with forced sentimentality and a terrible narrative. The fourth is just empty nothingness. It's not funny and has uninteresting characters and ends on a wet fart, why is it even in the film?

El Cochecito is close to great, I love the back and forth of the dialogue and the unrestrained characterizations that dig at the attitudes and false airs of every single character. Very good little farce with a few dark edges. It stumbles a bit towards the end, but nothing major.

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Post by joachimt » January 19th, 2017, 9:00 am

ImageEl cochecito - ImageGuang yin de gu shi: 17 - 13

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Post by metaller » January 19th, 2017, 10:41 am

I have to hand it to Taiwan for giving me one of the best chuckles of the world cup season: I lost it a little bit when the guy went through the different rooms at his uni and in one there was a tape recorder playing a cassette instead of a professor lecturing and instead of the students there were a bunch of recorders sitting on the desks recoding the professor's recorder.
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Post by Fergenaprido » January 19th, 2017, 10:43 am

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segment 1 - quite good. What is the writing that the kids put on the school wall at around the 19-minute mark? It's some writing with a pig and a turtle it seems.
segment 2 - also quite good, aside from the boy's voice. That also threw me off.
segment 3 - not that good. The translation seemed very poor for this segment, and a lot of it didn't make sense to me.
segment 4 - decent. That man was such an ass, though.

Edit: Almost forgot; I generally liked the use of music in this film, and how they didn't rely on dialogue every moment in order to move the stories along. This was especially effective in the first two segments.
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overall good. The poison didn't make sense. At first I thought he was going to poison himself, which kind of made sense. I don't know if the wife died maybe? Why did he think he was going to jail? It was an unsatisfactory ending for me. And yes, these characters are all so bloody selfish, but that kind of made it interesting.
Neither film blew me away. I'll pick the single film over the omnibus, though.

1. El cochecito - 7ish
2. In Our Time - 7ish
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Post by sortile9io » January 19th, 2017, 11:23 am

Fergenaprido on Jan 19 2017, 03:43:35 AM wrote:Spain
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overall good. The poison didn't make sense. At first I thought he was going to poison himself, which kind of made sense. I don't know if the wife died maybe? Why did he think he was going to jail? It was an unsatisfactory ending for me.
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In a censored short scene by the end, right after trying to warn his family of the poisoned food using a phone in a bar, he goes back home only to find there an ambulance loading the (supposedly) dead bodies of his family. Then he runs away terrified and crying. Maybe that makes more sense.

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Post by mjf314 » January 19th, 2017, 11:56 am

1. El cochecito
2. Guang yin de gu shi

I don't remember which part of In Our Time was my favorite, but I remember I liked some more than others. If they were all as good as the best one I would've voted for it.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 19th, 2017, 12:06 pm

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Spain advances.

The quarterfinals are over, take your next picks.

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Post by Fergenaprido » January 19th, 2017, 12:15 pm

sortile9io on Jan 19 2017, 04:23:00 AM wrote:
Fergenaprido on Jan 19 2017, 03:43:35 AM wrote:Spain
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overall good. The poison didn't make sense. At first I thought he was going to poison himself, which kind of made sense. I don't know if the wife died maybe? Why did he think he was going to jail? It was an unsatisfactory ending for me.
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In a censored short scene by the end, right after trying to warn his family of the poisoned food using a phone in a bar, he goes back home only to find there an ambulance loading the (supposedly) dead bodies of his family. Then he runs away terrified and crying. Maybe that makes more sense.
Thanks sortie, that makes so much more sense now. I thought I was watching the uncensored copy, but I guess not.
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I have the VIDEO_TS folder with VOB files that was shared here. I see 4 different files, but when I used DVD Player to open the folder it only showed me one video and no menu. Is there more information included, or should I use a different program?

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Post by sortile9io » January 19th, 2017, 12:39 pm

Fergenaprido on Jan 19 2017, 05:15:02 AM wrote:
sortile9io on Jan 19 2017, 04:23:00 AM wrote:
Fergenaprido on Jan 19 2017, 03:43:35 AM wrote:Spain
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overall good. The poison didn't make sense. At first I thought he was going to poison himself, which kind of made sense. I don't know if the wife died maybe? Why did he think he was going to jail? It was an unsatisfactory ending for me.
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In a censored short scene by the end, right after trying to warn his family of the poisoned food using a phone in a bar, he goes back home only to find there an ambulance loading the (supposedly) dead bodies of his family. Then he runs away terrified and crying. Maybe that makes more sense.
Thanks sortie, that makes so much more sense now. I thought I was watching the uncensored copy, but I guess not.
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I have the VIDEO_TS folder with VOB files that was shared here. I see 4 different files, but when I used DVD Player to open the folder it only showed me one video and no menu. Is there more information included, or should I use a different program?
I don't remember, I think there was not anything else. I got that scene from the script here: http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra/el ... imedia--0/

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Post by monty » January 19th, 2017, 1:05 pm

As for the ending of El cochecito:
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Although Anselmo is a crotchety git it’s at least partially because he’s a sad old man who has difficulty connecting with the people around him. He is, quite frankly, waiting to die, and everyone else is waiting for him to die as well. As such he fits neatly into a comedic tradition of pensioners behaving badly, whether it’s the assorted protagonists of the TV series Last of the Summer Wine, Jack Lemmon and Walter Mattheau hamming it up in Grumpy Old Men or more particularly Richard Farnsworth and his trusty lawnmower in The Straight Story.This being a Ferreri film, it’s a bit more cutting and black humored than that, with Anselmo driven to increasingly capricious and selfish acts in his desire for a cochecito of his own; even going so far as to commit – or try to commit, depending on which version you watch – mass murder. El cochecito met with only middling success, although in later years it became more valued as Ferreri’s reputation soared. It was at least partially hindered by problems with the censors, who demanded that the ending be changed so that Don Anselmo – who has put poison in his family’s food after a particularly heated argument – is seen to call them up and ask forgiveness (rather than simply being arrested, presumably for having killed them).

Personally, I perfer the mass murder version, as it speaks the truest of the extreme self-centeredness and egotism of the main character.
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Post by zhangalan » January 19th, 2017, 1:13 pm

Spain remains the only country managing to enter semi-final in both seasons. Interestingly both countries it defeats in the quarter final are Chinese countries.

And Egypt is really the dark horse of this season. It goes even further than Chile of last year, and to think that it steps over the corpses of Russia and Japan to go this far makes it even more impressive.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 19th, 2017, 4:16 pm

sortile9io on Jan 19 2017, 04:23:00 AM wrote:
Fergenaprido on Jan 19 2017, 03:43:35 AM wrote:Spain
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overall good. The poison didn't make sense. At first I thought he was going to poison himself, which kind of made sense. I don't know if the wife died maybe? Why did he think he was going to jail? It was an unsatisfactory ending for me.
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In a censored short scene by the end, right after trying to warn his family of the poisoned food using a phone in a bar, he goes back home only to find there an ambulance loading the (supposedly) dead bodies of his family. Then he runs away terrified and crying. Maybe that makes more sense.
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It does make more sense now. But why leave the scène with him poisoning the food in the film then? That made it confusing.

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Post by monty » January 19th, 2017, 4:34 pm

Lonewolf2003 on Jan 19 2017, 09:16:11 AM wrote:
sortile9io on Jan 19 2017, 04:23:00 AM wrote:
Fergenaprido on Jan 19 2017, 03:43:35 AM wrote:Spain
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overall good. The poison didn't make sense. At first I thought he was going to poison himself, which kind of made sense. I don't know if the wife died maybe? Why did he think he was going to jail? It was an unsatisfactory ending for me.
Spoiler: click to toggleShow
In a censored short scene by the end, right after trying to warn his family of the poisoned food using a phone in a bar, he goes back home only to find there an ambulance loading the (supposedly) dead bodies of his family. Then he runs away terrified and crying. Maybe that makes more sense.
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It does make more sense now. But why leave the scène with him poisoning the food in the film then? That made it confusing.
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It shows the lengths to which Don Anselmo is willing to go to achieve his goal. In the end, his self-centeredness reaches such grotesque proportions that poisoning his offspring is seen as a natural solution to his woes.

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