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World Cup, Season 2, Match QF-B: Czechia vs USA

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Post by monty » December 17th, 2016, 8:50 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 17 2016, 01:47:59 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 17 2016, 01:08:58 PM wrote:Would you be up for us doing a pure sex romp World Cup round next time, Mario? I hear the Balkans has plenty to offer in that regard and your expertise could finally be put to the test...
Yeah I even have a contender for that hypothetical competition, and it's called Made in Serbia. It's about sex industry which is led/performed by people who do it out of sheer survival.
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Actually there's a small circle of films with the same or similar subject.
Doesn't sound like a comedy though. Surely, you know/have seen plenty of fabulous Balkan sex comedies proper?
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 17th, 2016, 9:46 pm

monty on Dec 17 2016, 01:50:27 PM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Dec 17 2016, 01:47:59 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 17 2016, 01:08:58 PM wrote:Would you be up for us doing a pure sex romp World Cup round next time, Mario? I hear the Balkans has plenty to offer in that regard and your expertise could finally be put to the test...
Yeah I even have a contender for that hypothetical competition, and it's called Made in Serbia. It's about sex industry which is led/performed by people who do it out of sheer survival.
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Actually there's a small circle of films with the same or similar subject.
Doesn't sound like a comedy though. Surely, you know/have seen plenty of fabulous Balkan sex comedies proper?
There's lots of comic moments there. Another film from that bunch is Marble Ass, which is also drama but with plenty laughs, too.

Maybe cinematography is not as grand as in El cochecito, but they're both more entertaining than Spanish entry in this World Cup.
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Post by RBG » December 17th, 2016, 11:07 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 17 2016, 01:47:59 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 17 2016, 01:08:58 PM wrote:Would you be up for us doing a pure sex romp World Cup round next time, Mario? I hear the Balkans has plenty to offer in that regard and your expertise could finally be put to the test...
Yeah I even have a contender for that hypothetical competition, and it's called Made in Serbia. It's about sex industry which is led/performed by people who do it out of sheer survival.
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heh i'll sit that one out

re: zeman, this film is in his famous signature style combining live action and animation. baron prášil is visually based on the engravings of doré. this isn't even my favorite one. that would probably be bláznova kronika (a jester's tale) from the following year or maybe vynález zkázy (a deadly invention). by the 70s zeman was doing much more traditional animation. the swimmer is great but there's such a thing as too much burt (at least for me) tehe



zeman's first short film, about toys that come to life. now i'm going to have to watch ukradená vzducholod (the stolen airship). zeman is one of the greatest animators of all time and a huge influence on other filmmakers (svankmajer, gilliam, burton, wes anderson)
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 17th, 2016, 11:59 pm

Yeah there's something merry about Xmas/street lights that day and then you remember you're an atheist, because all of that is BS to you. However I envy believers for having to spend a colorful night with the family and stuff, but then I remind myself how unethical would be taking part in a (to me) senseless celebration of a fairytale stuff that never happened. :wacko:
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Post by RBG » December 18th, 2016, 12:04 am

don't think of it like that. it's the winter solstice :cheers:

it's been like 'eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we all may die' since neolithic times
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Post by funkybusiness » December 18th, 2016, 12:06 am

celebrate its modern meaning: unabashed capitalism. breath in the selfishness and greed. absorb it into your bones. AYN RAND AYN RAND AYN RAND AYN RAND AYN

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Post by RBG » December 18th, 2016, 12:07 am

*shudder* cover your ears boys and girls :hmph:
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 18th, 2016, 12:14 am

Well, the image of Santa Claus himself was made by capitalism
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 18th, 2016, 1:03 am

ImageBaron Prásil - ImageThe Swimmer: 8 - 12

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Post by Dolwphin » December 18th, 2016, 1:14 am

1. Baron Prásil
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Post by mjf314 » December 18th, 2016, 2:17 am

Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 01:09:43 PM wrote:It's a shame because it's the second film that I've watched by Karel Zeman and I really enjoyed Carodejuv ucen. I was hoping he would be a director who I would really like.
You might like Karel Zeman's Pohádky tisíce a jedné noci. I think that one is more similar to Carodejuv ucen, and it's my 2nd favorite Zeman film (after Carodejuv ucen).

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Post by monty » December 18th, 2016, 2:31 am

RBG on Dec 17 2016, 04:07:22 PM wrote:... there's such a thing as too much burt (at least for me) tehe
Many here would seem to disagree with you. It appears that Burt showing off his junk in comely swimming trunks is what many here deem to be essential for finding a film excellent.

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Post by RBG » December 18th, 2016, 2:38 am

sry, where could i find a schedule of upcoming matches plz? i know there is one somewhere :blush: tia
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Post by monty » December 18th, 2016, 2:42 am

RBG on Dec 17 2016, 07:38:00 PM wrote:sry, where could i find a schedule of upcoming matches plz? i know there is one somewhere :blush: tia
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Post by RBG » December 18th, 2016, 2:48 am

so weird. ok i bookmark it. thx. don't wanna miss this amazing wheelchair movie that mario raved about ;)
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Post by joachimt » December 18th, 2016, 8:58 am

RBG on Dec 17 2016, 07:48:02 PM wrote:so weird. ok i bookmark it. thx. don't wanna miss this amazing wheelchair movie that mario raved about ;)
Even better, I just updated the World Cup Index. There you can find everything.
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Post by HVM » December 18th, 2016, 9:28 pm

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prášil 6.5/10

Glad I've rewatched The Swimmer for this. I saw it like 15 years ago with my uncle who hated it. I remember liking it but it's not like I knew a lot about life back then.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 19th, 2016, 1:26 am

Easy match;

1. The Swimmer (1968): 7.8 - Love the way how it slowly reveals how delusional Lancaster's character is; how he isn't all that great like he appears to be at the start. It's very Mad Men-esque, which isn't weird considering the big influence John Cheever had on that show.




2. Baron Prásil (1962): 5.5 - I feel the same way as Cocoa does about it; It's extremely creative and because of that I can't get myself to give it a lower grade, despite it boring me a lot.
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Post by mjf314 » December 19th, 2016, 2:29 am

1. The Swimmer
2. Baron Prásil

Not-so-easy choice for me because I like them about the same (7.5/10). If it was a different Zeman film, like Carodejuv ucen or Pohádky tisíce a jedné noci, it would've gotten my vote.

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Post by Dolwphin » December 19th, 2016, 4:05 am

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Post by Gershwin » December 19th, 2016, 9:13 am

Dolwphin on Dec 18 2016, 09:05:12 PM wrote:This forum is mainstream trash.
Nah. I think The Swimmer's narrative is much more unconventional than Baron Prasil's.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 19th, 2016, 9:23 am

Gershwin on Dec 19 2016, 02:13:08 AM wrote:
Dolwphin on Dec 18 2016, 09:05:12 PM wrote:This forum is mainstream trash.
Nah. I think The Swimmer's narrative is much more unconventional than Baron Prasil's.
English-spoken film with a huge star as the lead that didn't exceed 1000 checks couldn't be called mainstream, could it? :huh:

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 19th, 2016, 12:19 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 19 2016, 02:23:56 AM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 19 2016, 02:13:08 AM wrote:
Dolwphin on Dec 18 2016, 09:05:12 PM wrote:This forum is mainstream trash.
Nah. I think The Swimmer's narrative is much more unconventional than Baron Prasil's.
English-spoken film with a huge star as the lead that didn't exceed 1000 checks couldn't be called mainstream, could it? :huh:
It can more than non-mainstream; it can be inaccessible.

I will compare it to Cosmopolis again. That's a newer, English film, with a huge star as the lead, and over 3000 checks. That film is inaccessible.

That's what makes this world cup round even more confusing though. The "mainstream trash" wins the vast majority of the time, and that's what I would call Baron Prasil.
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Post by joachimt » December 19th, 2016, 2:11 pm

1. The Swimmer 9/10
2. Baron Prasil 8/10
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Post by joachimt » December 19th, 2016, 2:13 pm

With almost 10 days left to go, we already collected 25 votes. Could this become the match with the most votes in this cup?

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 19th, 2016, 2:17 pm

It's very simple; both aren't mainstream trash. And if you think one of them is you're as far removed from reality as Burt in the Swimmer is.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 19th, 2016, 2:18 pm

Well yea, but I'm sure the average movie-goer would enjoy Baron Prasil. I wouldn't recommend The Swimmer to a lot of people.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 19th, 2016, 2:23 pm

Ettinauer226XL on Dec 19 2016, 07:18:58 AM wrote:Well yea, but I'm sure the average movie-goer would enjoy Baron Prasil. I wouldn't recommend The Swimmer to a lot of people.
I don't know. I think a lot of average movie-goers would find Baron Prasil just weird and strange.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 19th, 2016, 2:24 pm

Sounds like something we should try out :o
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Post by Gershwin » December 19th, 2016, 3:32 pm

Lonewolf2003 on Dec 19 2016, 07:23:30 AM wrote:
Ettinauer226XL on Dec 19 2016, 07:18:58 AM wrote:Well yea, but I'm sure the average movie-goer would enjoy Baron Prasil. I wouldn't recommend The Swimmer to a lot of people.
I don't know. I think a lot of average movie-goers would find Baron Prasil just weird and strange.
Not if they're already familiar with the Munchhausen stories. I think Art is right.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 19th, 2016, 5:50 pm

Gershwin on Dec 19 2016, 08:32:08 AM wrote:
Lonewolf2003 on Dec 19 2016, 07:23:30 AM wrote:
Ettinauer226XL on Dec 19 2016, 07:18:58 AM wrote:Well yea, but I'm sure the average movie-goer would enjoy Baron Prasil. I wouldn't recommend The Swimmer to a lot of people.
I don't know. I think a lot of average movie-goers would find Baron Prasil just weird and strange.
Not if they're already familiar with the Munchhausen stories. I think Art is right.
Although I highly doubt the average person is familiar with those stories, I don't see what that has to do with it anyhow since it the style that would be found weird and strange. But I hope you're right, since that means the average moviegoer is much more adventurous and open-minded than I give them credit for.
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Post by Dolwphin » December 19th, 2016, 7:15 pm

joachimt on Dec 19 2016, 07:13:13 AM wrote:With almost 10 days left to go, we already collected 25 votes. Could this become the match with the most votes in this cup?

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Post by monty » December 19th, 2016, 11:46 pm

Dolwphin on Dec 19 2016, 12:15:58 PM wrote:
joachimt on Dec 19 2016, 07:13:13 AM wrote:With almost 10 days left to go, we already collected 25 votes. Could this become the match with the most votes in this cup?

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I'll start petition the electors. This is a disgrace to democracy!
It's high time you realize that on this forum nothing can beat the visual feast that is Burt's finely sculpted calves, his carefully groomed chest rug, his rock hard biceps and his massive torso - I'm sure a rewatch will make you too understand the power residing in Burt's swimming trunks.

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Post by Lilarcor » December 20th, 2016, 3:30 pm

Fantastic stuff, two new checks that will stay with me for a long time. (l)

1. Baron Prasil 9/10
2. The Swimmer 8.5/10

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Post by Mochard » December 21st, 2016, 8:54 am

1. The Swimmer - 7/10
2. Baron Prasil - 4.5/10

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Post by clemmetarey » December 21st, 2016, 3:16 pm

1. Baron Prásil (1962) 8/10
2. The Swimmer (1968) 7/10

Two great films as others said before, one of the best match of this world cup.

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Post by joachimt » December 21st, 2016, 5:59 pm

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Post by Melvelet » December 24th, 2016, 12:20 pm

1. The Swimmer 9
2. Baron Prásil 7
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Post by Armoreska » December 24th, 2016, 11:10 pm

joachimt on Dec 19 2016, 07:11:43 AM wrote:1. The Swimmer 9/10
2. Baron Prasil 8/10
same for me, please

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This rankin is 99.99.99% correct
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Post by Nathan Treadway » December 26th, 2016, 1:01 am

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