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World Cup, Season 2, Match QF-B: Czechia vs USA

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World Cup, Season 2, Match QF-B: Czechia vs USA

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Post by joachimt » December 14th, 2016, 8:28 pm

This is match QF-B of the second season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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Czech RepublicBaron PrásilThe Outrageous Baron Munchausen1962funkybusinesslinklink
USAThe Swimmer1968klaus78linklink

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- To vote, rank the films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Dec 28th
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The winner of the match is the film with the most #1-votes. Of there's a tie at the deadline, there'll be a three day extension.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 48 films from 48 countries.
The winning country from each match advances, and will be represented by a different film in the next round.
There are 5 rounds. In round 1 there are 3 films per match (only 1 advances). In rounds 2-5 there are 2 films per match.
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Post by Smoover » December 14th, 2016, 8:29 pm

1. The Swimmer 8.5
2. Baron Prásil 7.0

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Post by joachimt » December 14th, 2016, 8:29 pm

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Post by monty » December 14th, 2016, 8:34 pm

Easy match:

1. Baron Prásil
2. The Swimmer

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Post by RBG » December 14th, 2016, 8:37 pm

yeah i like both of these but

1. Baron Prásil
2. The Swimmer
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Post by zuma » December 14th, 2016, 8:41 pm

01. Baron Prásil

02. The Swimmer

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 14th, 2016, 8:45 pm

Are links for Baron Prasil still dead? Where can I get avi file, then?

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Post by Armoreska » December 14th, 2016, 8:54 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 14 2016, 01:45:54 PM wrote:Are links for Baron Prasil still dead? Where can I get avi file, then?
On iTunes? Or I'm sure something will be available in a short while. ;)
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Post by monty » December 14th, 2016, 8:55 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 14 2016, 01:45:54 PM wrote:Are links for Baron Prasil still dead? Where can I get avi file, then?
I recommend the restored version, get it here

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Post by klaus78 » December 14th, 2016, 8:55 pm

1. The Swimmer (USA) 9/10
2. Baron Prásil (Czech Republic) 9/10
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Post by monty » December 14th, 2016, 8:57 pm

klaus78 on Dec 14 2016, 01:55:56 PM wrote:1. The Swimmer (USA) 9/10
2. Baron Prásil (Czech Republic) 9/10
Hehe, I guess it could just as easily have swung the other way if you hadn't been managing...

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 14th, 2016, 9:01 pm

monty on Dec 14 2016, 01:55:38 PM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Dec 14 2016, 01:45:54 PM wrote:Are links for Baron Prasil still dead? Where can I get avi file, then?
I recommend the restored version, get it here
Ok I have lots of money on disposal to buy all kinds of DVD's, even if I'm not familiar with the film.

I don't need money for food & bills, just for films. :)

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Post by klaus78 » December 14th, 2016, 9:02 pm

monty on Dec 14 2016, 01:57:55 PM wrote:
klaus78 on Dec 14 2016, 01:55:56 PM wrote:1. The Swimmer (USA) 9/10
2. Baron Prásil (Czech Republic) 9/10
Hehe, I guess it could just as easily have swung the other way if you hadn't been managing...
The Swimmer is in the top 100 of my favorites list, Baron Prásil in the unranked parts... ;)
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Post by Gershwin » December 14th, 2016, 9:06 pm

1. The Swimmer (9/10, at least)
2. Baron Prásil (6.5/10)
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Post by tarr » December 14th, 2016, 9:46 pm

1. The Swimmer
2. Baron Prasil
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 14th, 2016, 10:31 pm

1. Baron Prášil [Baron Munchhausen] (1962)

2. The Swimmer (1968)
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Post by joachimt » December 14th, 2016, 10:36 pm

ImageBaron Prásil - ImageThe Swimmer: 4 - 4
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 14th, 2016, 10:47 pm

What's with the name change (Czechia instead of Republic)? I know for this too long, but all of a sudden the name was altered at Letterboxd as well. Were there any major OFFICIAL changes/name adoptions during the past week?
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Post by Gershwin » December 14th, 2016, 10:54 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 14 2016, 03:47:37 PM wrote:What's with the name change (Czechia instead of Republic)? I know for this too long, but all of a sudden the name was altered at Letterboxd as well. Were there any major OFFICIAL changes/name adoptions during the past week?
It's quite recent, according to Wikipedia:
In 2013, Czech president Miloš Zeman recommended the wider official use of Czechia,[31] and on 14 April 2016, the country's political leadership agreed to make Czechia the official short name. The new name was approved by the Czech cabinet on 2 May 2016[32] and was published in the United Nations UNTERM and UNGEGN country name databases on 5 July 2016.[33] On 23 September 2016, the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names began advising Britons to use the name Czechia.[34] On 26 September 2016, the International Organization for Standardization included the short name Czechia in the official ISO 3166 country codes list.[35] [36]
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Post by brokenface » December 14th, 2016, 10:57 pm

1. Baron Prasil
2. The Swimmer

v close call, both films I like very much (would've been so, so much easier if match A & B were shuffled!)

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Post by beavis » December 14th, 2016, 11:45 pm

The Swimmer - 7,5
Baron Prásil - 7

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 14th, 2016, 11:46 pm

Very good match.

1. The Swimmer 8/10
2. Baron Prášil 6.5/10

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Post by zhangalan » December 15th, 2016, 12:14 am

1. The Swimmer
2. Baron Prasil

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Post by jvv » December 15th, 2016, 3:40 pm

The Swimmer - I think Burt Lancaster chose to be in this movie because he could be shirtless the whole time
Baron Prášil - Great visuals

1. Baron Prášil - 7.5/10
2. The Swimmer - 6/10

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Post by perceval » December 15th, 2016, 9:26 pm

Two great films.

1. The Swimmer
2. Baron Prášil

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Post by Carmel1379 » December 15th, 2016, 10:24 pm

#1 The Swimmer (1968, Frank Perry)
#2 Baron Prášil/Fabulous Baron Munchausen (1962, Karel Zeman)
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Post by frbrown » December 16th, 2016, 1:27 am

An easy choice for me

1. Baron Prasil

2. The Swimmer
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Post by toro913 » December 16th, 2016, 1:51 am

Easy choice for me.

1. The Swimmer
2. Baron Prasil

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Post by joachimt » December 16th, 2016, 9:47 am

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Post by joachimt » December 16th, 2016, 9:47 am

Votes are coming in fast. 17 votes in two days. :thumbsup:
I haven't even seen either of these movies. :blush:
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Post by zhangalan » December 16th, 2016, 11:14 am

joachimt on Dec 16 2016, 02:47:49 AM wrote:Votes are coming in fast. 17 votes in two days. :thumbsup:
I haven't even seen either of these movies. :blush:
On the contrary, this is the only quarter final group I which I've seen both films.

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Post by BijitaQ » December 16th, 2016, 11:15 pm

1. The Swimmer (1968)
2. Baron Prášil [Baron Munchhausen] (1962)

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Post by sortile9io » December 17th, 2016, 4:32 pm

1. Baron Prásil — 7/10
2. The swimmer — 7/10

Very even match for me, I'd rather have them both on the next round than any of QF-A. I'll give my vote to the Czech, if only for the ingenious vertical sequence in the beginning that sums up the evolution of aviation in a flash. And to keep the suspense of the final result too.

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Post by Cocoa » December 17th, 2016, 6:31 pm

Baron Prásil is a gorgeous film, but I prefer the substance of The Swimmer.

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prásil 5/10

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Post by monty » December 17th, 2016, 7:17 pm

Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 11:31:31 AM wrote:Baron Prásil is a gorgeous film, but I prefer the substance of The Swimmer.

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prásil 5/10
If you find it gorgeous why the low rating? Seems excessively harsh.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 17th, 2016, 7:46 pm

monty on Dec 17 2016, 12:17:36 PM wrote:
Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 11:31:31 AM wrote:Baron Prásil is a gorgeous film, but I prefer the substance of The Swimmer.

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prásil 5/10
If you find it gorgeous why the low rating? Seems excessively harsh.
Baron Prasil's pigments were a truly cinematic experience to the core of art, but humor just wasn't there, none of it.
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Post by monty » December 17th, 2016, 8:08 pm

Mario Gaborović on Dec 17 2016, 12:46:24 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 17 2016, 12:17:36 PM wrote:
Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 11:31:31 AM wrote:Baron Prásil is a gorgeous film, but I prefer the substance of The Swimmer.

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prásil 5/10
If you find it gorgeous why the low rating? Seems excessively harsh.
Baron Prasil's pigments were a truly cinematic experience to the core of art, but humor just wasn't there, none of it.
Hehe, not of the sex comedy kind for sure. Would you be up for us doing a pure sex romp World Cup round next time, Mario? I hear the Balkans has plenty to offer in that regard and your expertise could finally be put to the test...
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Post by Cocoa » December 17th, 2016, 8:09 pm

monty on Dec 17 2016, 12:17:36 PM wrote:
Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 11:31:31 AM wrote:Baron Prásil is a gorgeous film, but I prefer the substance of The Swimmer.

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prásil 5/10
If you find it gorgeous why the low rating? Seems excessively harsh.
That was the only positive I had for the film. The story didn't compel me. I tried watching it last night and stopped somewhere between 20-30 minutes into it because I was bored and the film was causing me to become more sleepy as a result. Finished it this morning and still wasn't moved by the plot. It's a shame because it's the second film that I've watched by Karel Zeman and I really enjoyed Carodejuv ucen. I was hoping he would be a director who I would really like.

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Post by monty » December 17th, 2016, 8:22 pm

Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 01:09:43 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 17 2016, 12:17:36 PM wrote:
Cocoa on Dec 17 2016, 11:31:31 AM wrote:Baron Prásil is a gorgeous film, but I prefer the substance of The Swimmer.

1. The Swimmer 7/10
2. Baron Prásil 5/10
If you find it gorgeous why the low rating? Seems excessively harsh.
That was the only positive I had for the film. The story didn't compel me. I tried watching it last night and stopped somewhere between 20-30 minutes into it because I was bored and the film was causing me to become more sleepy as a result. Finished it this morning and still wasn't moved by the plot. It's a shame because it's the second film that I've watched by Karel Zeman and I really enjoyed Carodejuv ucen. I was hoping he would be a director who I would really like.
Have you watched any other takes on the Baron? He's a pretty well-known literary character who's spawned countless stage and film adaptations, you know. IMO, Zeman's version is one of the very best. Anyhow, I take it you're not big on fantasy/satire/absurdist & surreal comedy.
The fictional Baron Munchausen is a braggart soldier, most strongly defined by his comically exaggerated boasts about his own adventures;[43] all of the stories in Raspe's book are told in first-person narrative, with a prefatory note explaining that "the Baron is supposed to relate these extraordinary Adventures over his Bottle, when surrounded by his Friends".[44] The Baron's stories imply him to be a superhuman figure who spends most of his time either getting out of absurd predicaments or indulging in equally absurd moments of gentle mischief.[45] In some of his best-known stories, the Baron rides a cannonball, travels to the Moon, is swallowed by a giant fish in the Mediterranean Sea, saves himself from drowning by pulling on his own hair, fights a forty-foot crocodile, enlists a wolf to pull his sleigh, and uses laurel tree branches to fix his horse when the animal is accidentally cut in two.[18]

In the stories he narrates, the Baron is shown as a calm, rational man, describing what he experiences with simple objectivity; absurd happenings elicit, at most, mild surprise from him, and he shows serious doubt about any unlikely events he has not witnessed himself.[46] The resulting narrative effect is an ironic tone, encouraging skepticism in the reader[47] and marked by a running undercurrent of subtle social satire.[45] In addition to his fearlessness when hunting and fighting, he is suggested to be a debonair, polite gentleman given to moments of gallantry, with a scholarly penchant for knowledge, a tendency to be pedantically accurate about details in his stories, and a deep appreciation for food and drink of all kinds

Because the feats the Baron describes are overtly implausible, they are easily recognizable as fiction,[50] with a strong implication that the Baron is a liar.[43] Whether he expects his audience to believe him varies from version to version; in Raspe's original 1785 text, he simply narrates his stories without further comment, but in the later extended versions he is insistent that he is telling the truth.[51] In any case, the Baron appears to believe every word of his own stories, no matter how internally inconsistent they become, and he usually appears tolerantly indifferent to any disbelief he encounters in others.

According to an interview, Jules Verne relished reading the Baron stories as a child, and used them as inspiration for his own adventure novels.[66] Thomas Seccombe commented that "Munchausen has undoubtedly achieved [a permanent place in literature] ... The Baron's notoriety is universal, his character proverbial, and his name as familiar as that of Mr. Lemuel Gulliver, or Robinson Crusoe."

Steven T. Byington wrote that "Munchausen's modest seat in the Valhalla of classic literature is undisputed", comparing the stories to American tall tales and concluding that the Baron is "the patriarch, the perfect model, the fadeless fragrant flower, of liberty from accuracy".[68] The folklore writer Alvin Schwartz cited the Baron stories as one of the most important influences on the American tall tale tradition.[[
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 17th, 2016, 8:47 pm

monty on Dec 17 2016, 01:08:58 PM wrote:Would you be up for us doing a pure sex romp World Cup round next time, Mario? I hear the Balkans has plenty to offer in that regard and your expertise could finally be put to the test...
Yeah I even have a contender for that hypothetical competition, and it's called Made in Serbia. It's about sex industry which is led/performed by people who do it out of sheer survival.
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