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World Cup, Season 2, Match QF-A: Japan vs Egypt

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Post by joachimt » December 4th, 2016, 9:21 am

This is match QF-A of the second season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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JapanFisshu sutôrîFish Story2009mjf314linklink
EgyptAl-boustaguyThe Postman1968tommy_leazaqlinklink

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- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Dec 18th
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The winner of the match is the film with the most #1-votes. Of there's a tie at the deadline, there'll be a three day extension.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 48 films from 48 countries.
The winning country from each match advances, and will be represented by a different film in the next round.
There are 5 rounds. In round 1 there are 3 films per match (only 1 advances). In rounds 2-5 there are 2 films per match.
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Post by beavis » December 4th, 2016, 10:57 am

Fisshu sutôrî - 7,5
Al-boustaguy - 6,5

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » December 4th, 2016, 11:09 am

1. البووستاغي [The Postman] (1968) - Hussein Kamal

2. フィッシュストーリー [Fish Story] (2009) - Yoshihiro Nakamura
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Post by toro913 » December 4th, 2016, 3:44 pm

1. Fish Story
2. The Postman

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Post by Smoover » December 4th, 2016, 4:41 pm

Where can I watch The Postman?

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Post by monty » December 4th, 2016, 4:41 pm

Any in-depth thoughts on either of these films?

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Post by tarr » December 4th, 2016, 5:07 pm

1. Fish Story
2. The Postman

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Post by joachimt » December 4th, 2016, 5:41 pm

Smoover on Dec 4 2016, 09:41:29 AM wrote:Where can I watch The Postman?
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 5th, 2016, 4:49 am

1. Al-boustaguy
2. Fisshu sutôrî

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Post by Carmel1379 » December 5th, 2016, 4:50 am

#1 フィッシュストーリー/Fish Story (2009, Yoshihiro Nakamura)
#2 البووستاغي/Al-boustaguy/The Postman (1968, Hussein Kamal)
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Post by HVM » December 6th, 2016, 5:43 pm

1. Al-boustaguy (1968) 6/10
2. Fisshu sutôrî (2009) 5/10
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Post by joachimt » December 6th, 2016, 7:40 pm

Going back and forth so far. No idea how this will end:

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Post by monty » December 7th, 2016, 5:05 pm

I thought I'd never live to see the day where I preferred an Egyptian film over a Japanese one but this match proved me wrong.
The Japanese effort was devoid of comedy, nor was there much in the drama department to engage this viewer. There are many good Japanese films dealing with the-end-of-the-world thematics. Sadly, this subpar effort is not among those. Also, that whole punk rock thing got tiresome after a while.

The Egyptian film, on the other hand, was quite decent, both acting and storywise. I loved the devious assistant to the postmaster - a really enjoyable character. Also, kudos to the director for shining a light on repressive social mores - I imagine far from everyone in Egypt at the time agreed with the film's condemnation of traditional ways.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 7th, 2016, 8:53 pm

Yeah the old Egyptian films resemble Italian neorealism or Greek 60s film, though maybe acting isn't on the same level like above + plots are a bit trivial.
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Post by Cocoa » December 8th, 2016, 2:59 am

Didn't care for either.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 8th, 2016, 3:08 am

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Post by monty » December 8th, 2016, 3:19 am

I'm curious as to why mjf picked precisely this film over all other comedies out of Japan...

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Post by mjf314 » December 8th, 2016, 6:38 am

monty on Dec 7 2016, 08:19:26 PM wrote:I'm curious as to why mjf picked precisely this film over all other comedies out of Japan...
I wanted to pick one with <400 checks that's not on the 500<400 list, so that narrowed it down a bit. It also has a better favorite/check ratio and better IMDb rating than most of the other films that meet that criteria.

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Post by joachimt » December 8th, 2016, 2:10 pm

mjf314 on Dec 7 2016, 11:38:08 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 7 2016, 08:19:26 PM wrote:I'm curious as to why mjf picked precisely this film over all other comedies out of Japan...
I wanted to pick one with <400 checks that's not on the 500<400 list, so that narrowed it down a bit. It also has a better favorite/check ratio and better IMDb rating than most of the other films that meet that criteria.
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Post by RBG » December 8th, 2016, 9:55 pm

1. Al-boustaguy (1968) - began as a fish out of water tale (and quite funny) but turned the tables on me very effectively

2. Fisshu sutôrî (2009) - yeah i couldn't really connect with this one either. also i get tired of watching boys save the world. giant comet ftw

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Post by jvv » December 9th, 2016, 2:40 am

RBG on Dec 8 2016, 02:55:55 PM wrote:also i get tired of watching boys save the world. giant comet ftw
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In the end it was a girl that saved the world. :P

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Post by RBG » December 9th, 2016, 2:57 am

jvv on Dec 8 2016, 07:40:09 PM wrote:
RBG on Dec 8 2016, 02:55:55 PM wrote:also i get tired of watching boys save the world. giant comet ftw
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In the end it was a girl that saved the world. :P
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but first she had to be rescued by boys throughout the film
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Post by monty » December 9th, 2016, 3:05 am

RBG on Dec 8 2016, 07:57:53 PM wrote:
jvv on Dec 8 2016, 07:40:09 PM wrote:
RBG on Dec 8 2016, 02:55:55 PM wrote:also i get tired of watching boys save the world. giant comet ftw
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In the end it was a girl that saved the world. :P
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but first she had to be rescued by boys throughout the film
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that's what the empowerment of women is all about, you know. :P

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Post by mjf314 » December 9th, 2016, 6:58 am

joachimt on Dec 8 2016, 07:10:53 AM wrote:
mjf314 on Dec 7 2016, 11:38:08 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 7 2016, 08:19:26 PM wrote:I'm curious as to why mjf picked precisely this film over all other comedies out of Japan...
I wanted to pick one with <400 checks that's not on the 500<400 list, so that narrowed it down a bit. It also has a better favorite/check ratio and better IMDb rating than most of the other films that meet that criteria.
How did you rate it yourself?
I guess I'd give it an 8/10. It's on my <400 list but not my overall favorites list.

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Post by jvv » December 9th, 2016, 10:46 am

RBG on Dec 8 2016, 07:57:53 PM wrote:
jvv on Dec 8 2016, 07:40:09 PM wrote:
RBG on Dec 8 2016, 02:55:55 PM wrote:also i get tired of watching boys save the world. giant comet ftw
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In the end it was a girl that saved the world. :P
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but first she had to be rescued by boys throughout the film
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She was only rescued once, on the ferry, and she was only under gunpoint in the first place because the defender of justice guy was a threat to the kidnappers. Of course in order for her to save the world the kidnapping had to be ended at some time, without her being killed, but it didn't necessarily have to be this specific guy to do it.

Also, there were other women involved in the chain leading to the rescue, the aunt saving the Fish Story book and the girl telling the boy to stand up for himself.

I do agree a more active role for the women in this movie (and movies in general) would have been nice though.

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Post by RBG » December 9th, 2016, 12:55 pm

jvv on Dec 9 2016, 03:46:08 AM wrote:
RBG on Dec 8 2016, 07:57:53 PM wrote:
jvv on Dec 8 2016, 07:40:09 PM wrote:
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In the end it was a girl that saved the world. :P
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but first she had to be rescued by boys throughout the film
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She was only rescued once, on the ferry, and she was only under gunpoint in the first place because the defender of justice guy was a threat to the kidnappers. Of course in order for her to save the world the kidnapping had to be ended at some time, without her being killed, but it didn't necessarily have to be this specific guy to do it.

Also, there were other women involved in the chain leading to the rescue, the aunt saving the Fish Story book and the girl telling the boy to stand up for himself.

I do agree a more active role for the women in this movie (and movies in general) would have been nice though.
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i was annoyed from the point where they're in the car and the psychic girl is like 'stop me from going to this sleazy hotel with this jerkoff.' but i'll let it go now
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Post by zuma » December 9th, 2016, 3:09 pm

01. Al-boustaguy

02. Fisshu sutôrî

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Post by Smoover » December 9th, 2016, 3:36 pm

1. Al-boustaguy 6.0
2. Fisshu sutôrî 4.0

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Post by joachimt » December 9th, 2016, 3:54 pm

6 votes in a row for Egypt.

Longest continuous vote-rows:
Los santos inocentes (11)
Bab el hadid (7)
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Lucky Star (7)
Al boustaguy (6)
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Post by monty » December 9th, 2016, 4:26 pm

Is it too early to hope for an Egyptian comedy in the semis?

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Post by joachimt » December 9th, 2016, 4:50 pm

Let me add a vote. I didn't expect The Postman to be good enough to win its match, but Fish Story just isn't a worthy contender. I'd be surprised if it gained enough love to enter 500<400.

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Post by Armoreska » December 9th, 2016, 4:55 pm

Just another losing country that manages a lot of votes in a row
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Post by monty » December 9th, 2016, 5:22 pm

joachimt on Dec 9 2016, 09:50:53 AM wrote:... but Fish Story just isn't a worthy contender.
I think mjf deserves praise for daring to think outside the box when he so easily could have coasted to victory by picking any of the countless Japanese masterpieces we all love. If Egypt wins it's not because that film is inherently great, rather it's down to its being "good enough".
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » December 9th, 2016, 6:48 pm

monty on Dec 9 2016, 10:22:02 AM wrote:
joachimt on Dec 9 2016, 09:50:53 AM wrote:... but Fish Story just isn't a worthy contender.
I think mjf deserves praise for daring to think outside the box when he so easily could have coasted to victory by picking any of the countless Japanese masterpieces we all love. If Egypt wins it's not because that film is inherently great, rather it's down to its being "good enough".
Outside the box would be something like this https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/okaeri/ and not this bullshit that was chosen.

It might be the worst nominee of the season tbh
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Post by jvv » December 9th, 2016, 7:05 pm

RBG on Dec 9 2016, 05:55:16 AM wrote:
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i was annoyed from the point where they're in the car and the psychic girl is like 'stop me from going to this sleazy hotel with this jerkoff.' but i'll let it go now
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Indeed, she could have just said no herself.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 9th, 2016, 11:43 pm

Armoreska on Dec 9 2016, 09:55:51 AM wrote:Just another losing country that manages a lot of votes in a row
What do you mean by that? Why is Egypt 'losing country'? It has 4-2 record in our two cups so far. :huh:

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 9th, 2016, 11:47 pm

How did Egypt lose twice? By losing country he means Japan will come back and win this round.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 9th, 2016, 11:57 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Dec 9 2016, 04:47:53 PM wrote:How did Egypt lose twice? By losing country he means Japan will come back and win this round.
Yes you are right. The last time it was second in the group, so it's even better: 4-1.

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Post by monty » December 10th, 2016, 12:00 am

Mario Gaborović on Dec 9 2016, 04:57:55 PM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Dec 9 2016, 04:47:53 PM wrote:How did Egypt lose twice? By losing country he means Japan will come back and win this round.
Yes you are right. The last time it was second in the group, so it's even better: 4-1.
Egypt's been lucky as it's competition hasn't been the strongest. Hence, its weak to average films are good enough to secure its progress. (The Kazakhstan match is a perfect example of this.) Anyhow, Egypt would have been blown out of the water by any regular Japanese pick.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » December 10th, 2016, 12:18 am

monty on Dec 9 2016, 05:00:10 PM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Dec 9 2016, 04:57:55 PM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Dec 9 2016, 04:47:53 PM wrote:How did Egypt lose twice? By losing country he means Japan will come back and win this round.
Yes you are right. The last time it was second in the group, so it's even better: 4-1.
Egypt's been lucky as it's competition hasn't been the strongest. Hence, its weak to average films are good enough to secure its progress. (The Kazakhstan match is a perfect example of this.) Anyhow, Egypt would have been blown out of the water by any regular Japanese pick.
Then you should manage Japan yourself the next time; Will you?

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