iCM Forum World Cup - Season 5 - Round 2 schedule

[joachimt]

Welcome to the schedule of iCM Forum World Cup - Season 5 - Round 2.
If you don't know what this is, you can find everything about the World Cup here.

Rules in this round:
- You must watch both films of a match before you vote.
- To vote, rank the films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)
- The winner of each match will proceed to the next round.
- The winners of the match is the movie with the most #1-votes.
- If there's a tie the match will have a 3 day extension. If there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
- Don't vote in this thread. Each match will have its own thread according to the schedule.

ICM-list of all movies in this World Cup


Round 2 schedule

Group A: 2023-6-25 till 2023-7-16

Country	Original Title	English Title	Year	Manager	IMDB	ICM
Spain	La cabina	The Telephone Box	1972	joachimt	link	link
USA	Behind the Door		1919	72aicm	link	link
France	Section spéciale	Special Section	1975	filmbantha	link	link
Ireland	Dating Amber		2020	sol	link	link

Group B: 2023-7-9 till 2023-7-30

Country	Original Title	English Title	Year	Manager	IMDB	ICM
Brazil	As Boas Maneiras	Good Manners	2017	hurluberlu	link	link
Argentina	Un lugar en el mundo	A Place in the World	1992	zhangalan	link	link
Netherlands	Rembrandt fecit 1669	Rembrandt - 1669	1977	pitchorneirda	link	link
Canada	Jésus de Montréal	Jesus of Montreal	1989	Fergenaprido	link	link

Group C: 2023-7-23 till 2023-8-13

Country	Original Title	English Title	Year	Manager	IMDB	ICM
Poland	Niewinni czarodzieje	Innocent Sorcerers	1960	shugs	link	link
Serbia	Praznik	The Feast	1967	St. Gloede	link	link
Singapore	Huan tu	A Land Imagined	2018	hurluberlu	link	link
India	The Disciple		2020	tommy_leazaq	link	link

Group D: 2023-8-6 till 2023-8-27

Country	Original Title	English Title	Year	Manager	IMDB	ICM
Japan	Dai satsujin	The Great Duel	1964	filmbantha	link	link
Egypt	La anam	Sleepless	1957	Fergenaprido	link	link
Russia	Sorok pervyy	The Forty-First	1956	joachimt	link	link
Romania	Îmi este indiferent daca în istorie vom intra ca barbari	I Do Not Care If We Go Down in History as Barbarians	2018	shugs	link	link

These are the winners from round 1 that will play in round 2, but not necessarily in this order:

Position R1	Average ranking	Match	Country	Manager
1	2.08	1A	USA	Ritesh
2	2.08	1A	Romania	shugs
1	2.42	1B	Japan	filmbantha
2	2.75	1B	Netherlands	pitchorneirda
1	2.33	1C	Egypt	Fergenaprido
2	2.58	1C	Singapore	hurluberlu
1	2.46	1D	Serbia	St. Gloede
2	2.5	1D	Canada	Fergenaprido
1	2.48	1E	Argentina	zhangalan
2	2.67	1E	France	filmbantha
1	2.05	1F	Brazil	hurluberlu
2	2.73	1F	Russia	joachimt
1	2.4	1G	Spain	joachimt
2	2.75	1G	India	tommy_leazaq
1	1.95	1H	Poland	shugs
2	2.58	1H	Ireland	sol

Match 2A will start at June the 26th.

Deadline for managers to make their pick is June the 20th. Send your pick to joachimt by PM.

[joachimt]

Questions:

How shall I do the draw? I would propose this.
- One bowl for all #1 in round 1. One bowl for all #2.
- Managers shouldn't compete with themselves.

Did we decide on lowering the checkcount on each round? I can't find this.

[Mario Gaborović]

Questions:

How shall I do the draw? I would propose this.
- One bowl for all #1 in round 1. One bowl for all #2.
- Managers shouldn't compete with themselves.

Did we decide on lowering the checkcount on each round? I can't find this.

- Each group should have 2 group winners, and two runners-up from previous round.
- Countries with same managers cannot be drawn in the same group.
- Countries which already met in Round 1 cannot meet again until Round 3.

Which means Japan and France, Russia and Spain, Singapore and Brazil, Egypt and Canada cannot be drawn now.

[zzzorf]

Questions:

How shall I do the draw? I would propose this.
- One bowl for all #1 in round 1. One bowl for all #2.
- Managers shouldn't compete with themselves.

Did we decide on lowering the checkcount on each round? I can't find this.

- Each group should have 2 group winners, and two runners-up from previous round.
- Countries with same managers cannot be drawn in the same group.
- Countries which already met in Round 1 cannot meet again until Round 3.

As far as I know these will be straight 1v1 matches not groups, therefore I think Joachimt's idea is fine except with the added part that they can't go up against the country they competed against in their round 1 match

[Mario Gaborović]

Questions:

How shall I do the draw? I would propose this.
- One bowl for all #1 in round 1. One bowl for all #2.
- Managers shouldn't compete with themselves.

Did we decide on lowering the checkcount on each round? I can't find this.

- Each group should have 2 group winners, and two runners-up from previous round.
- Countries with same managers cannot be drawn in the same group.
- Countries which already met in Round 1 cannot meet again until Round 3.

As far as I know these will be straight 1v1 matches not groups, therefore I think Joachimt's idea is fine except with the added part that they can't go up against the country they competed against in their round 1 match

Then the group winners should be in one bowl, and the runners-up in the other, with same clauses I noted above.

I thought this was going to be 4x4 format.

[hurluberlu]

I thought this was going to be 4x4 format.

This was indeed the winning format from the poll: 32 countries (later increased to 40 and 8x5), 8 groups of four (2 advance), then 4 groups of 4 (2 advance), quarterfinals, semifinals and final. - 62 movies in total

Did we decide on lowering the checkcount on each round? I can't find this.

There was non consensus on that and no ruling.

Can we progress the rounds faster ? WIth most of voters on first or last week in the first round, it felt a bit of a dead game in between. Are people voting last really in need of 1 week/film or are they just procrastinating ?

[joachimt]

I can't find the poll, but if you guys say so, I guess we will do groups of 4 then. In both cases half the movies proceed, but with groups of four better movies have a better chance of proceeding.
So:
- managers not competing themselves
- countries not competing same countries as round 1
- one bowl #1's, one bowl #2's
- checkcount<1000
- no directors that have appeared before in this season
- no movies from previous seasons
- runtime<180min

[hurluberlu]

viewtopic.php?t=6083, in the header.

Discussion on threshold is there as well.

[Fergenaprido]

I also misremembered that it was 1on1s from here on in, but no complaints from me about groups of 4 for the second round.

June 20th deadline for submissions? Okeedokee. Expect mine on the 20th.
I've got tentative picks for both countries, but I still want to explore more to see if something else comes along that I think will do better.

I can't find the poll, but if you guys say so, I guess we will do groups of 4 then. In both cases half the movies proceed, but with groups of four better movies have a better chance of proceeding.
So:
- managers not competing themselves
- countries not competing same countries as round 1
- one bowl #1's, one bowl #2's
- checkcount<1000
- no directors that have appeared before in this season
- no movies from previous seasons
- runtime<180min

Works for me. If you're separating out #1s and #2s, does that mean each Round 2 Match will have two #1s and two #2s from the previous round?

Questions:

How shall I do the draw? I would propose this.
- One bowl for all #1 in round 1. One bowl for all #2.
- Managers shouldn't compete with themselves.

Did we decide on lowering the checkcount on each round? I can't find this.

- Each group should have 2 group winners, and two runners-up from previous round.
- Countries with same managers cannot be drawn in the same group.
- Countries which already met in Round 1 cannot meet again until Round 3.

Which means Japan and France, Russia and Spain, Singapore and Brazil cannot be drawn now.

And Canada & Egypt cannot be drawn together

4 managers with 2 countries making it out of the first round... is that the most ever? (And maybe more depending on the final match)

Can we progress the rounds faster ? WIth most of voters on first or last week in the first round, it felt a bit of a dead game in between. Are people voting last really in need of 1 week/film or are they just procrastinating ?

If we were only watching WC films, faster would be fine with me, but with participating in other forum polls and challenges, and trying to watch non-forum-related films, I personally do find it tough to squeeze them all in a shorter timeline. I don't procrastinate, but it can take me 2-3 weeks to watch all the films for a match, especially this first round if I haven't seen all 5 films already. Just because I post at the end doesn't mean I waited until them to watch them all. I suppose others might be in similar situations.

[joachimt]

If you're separating out #1s and #2s, does that mean each Round 2 Match will have two #1s and two #2s from the previous round?

That's the idea indeed. I don't think I'll bother doing four bowls based on ratings or something like that. It's hard enough as it is to group the countries without grouping countries again together or having managers compete themselves. I wonder how often I have to randomize it to have a grouping that fits all rules.

[Mario Gaborović]

If you're separating out #1s and #2s, does that mean each Round 2 Match will have two #1s and two #2s from the previous round?

That's the idea indeed. I don't think I'll bother doing four bowls based on ratings or something like that. It's hard enough as it is to group the countries without grouping countries again together or having managers compete themselves. I wonder how often I have to randomize it to have a grouping that fits all rules.

I thought you'd be doing the Excel table draw.

[joachimt]

If you're separating out #1s and #2s, does that mean each Round 2 Match will have two #1s and two #2s from the previous round?

That's the idea indeed. I don't think I'll bother doing four bowls based on ratings or something like that. It's hard enough as it is to group the countries without grouping countries again together or having managers compete themselves. I wonder how often I have to randomize it to have a grouping that fits all rules.

I thought you'd be doing the Excel table draw.

Yes, I will, using the rand() function in Excel until groups appear that fit all rules. Or do you suggest something easier?

[St. Gloede]

Will we know the films in advance or will they be revealed on the 22nd?

[Mario Gaborović]

Will we know the films in advance or will they be revealed on the 22nd?

Folks here usually wait until the last minute to submit, so I think the 22nd unfortunately.

[joachimt]

The deadline is June 20th, so if everyone submits their pick by then, I can reveal the schedule on the 20th. So far I've got 6 of 16 (including two of my own).

[St. Gloede]

Thanks joachimt, surprisingly few.

[joachimt]

All winners are known now.

Position R1	Average ranking	Match	Country	Manager
1	2.08	1A	USA	Ritesh
2	2.08	1A	Romania	shugs
1	2.42	1B	Japan	filmbantha
2	2.75	1B	Netherlands	pitchorneirda
1	2.33	1C	Egypt	Fergenaprido
2	2.58	1C	Singapore	hurluberlu
1	2.46	1D	Serbia	St. Gloede
2	2.5	1D	Canada	Fergenaprido
1	2.48	1E	Argentina	zhangalan
2	2.67	1E	France	filmbantha
1	2.05	1F	Brazil	hurluberlu
2	2.73	1F	Russia	joachimt
1	2.4	1G	Spain	joachimt
2	2.75	1G	India	tommy_leazaq
1	1.95	1H	Poland	shugs
2	2.58	1H	Ireland	sol

Reminder to send your picks to me. Deadline is June 20th.

I'll send the submissions to Mario before revealing the schedule. Can you check all submissions to see if they fit our criteria, Mario? (country, runtime, checks, director, previous seasons, ...)

[joachimt]

We did four weeks per match in round 1 with one week overlap. That was five movies a match. With four movies a match in round 2, we could do:
- three weeks per match with one week overlap (6/22 till 8/24)
- three weeks per match with half a week overlap (6/22 till 9/3)
- four weeks per match with one and a half week overlap (6/22 till 9/10)
Or something like that. Any thought?

[Mario Gaborović]

All winners are known now.

Position R1	Average ranking	Match	Country	Manager
1	2.08	1A	USA	Ritesh
2	2.08	1A	Romania	shugs
1	2.42	1B	Japan	filmbantha
2	2.75	1B	Netherlands	pitchorneirda
1	2.33	1C	Egypt	Fergenaprido
2	2.58	1C	Singapore	hurluberlu
1	2.46	1D	Serbia	St. Gloede
2	2.5	1D	Canada	Fergenaprido
1	2.48	1E	Argentina	zhangalan
2	2.67	1E	France	filmbantha
1	2.05	1F	Brazil	hurluberlu
2	2.73	1F	Russia	joachimt
1	2.4	1G	Spain	joachimt
2	2.75	1G	India	tommy_leazaq
1	1.95	1H	Poland	shugs
2	2.58	1H	Ireland	sol

Reminder to send your picks to me. Deadline is June 20th.

I'll send the submissions to Mario before revealing the schedule. Can you check all submissions to see if they fit our criteria, Mario? (country, runtime, checks, director, previous seasons, ...)

Ok, but have you got all submissions already? I mean if you're sending them NOW (please do it)

[joachimt]

Ok, but have you got all submissions already? I mean if you're sending them NOW (please do it)

No, of course not. 9 out of 16 so far.

[hurluberlu]

- three weeks per match with one week overlap (6/22 till 8/24)

[beavis]

- three weeks per match with one week overlap (6/22 till 8/24)

[Mario Gaborović]

One day left to choose films. How many noms out of 16 do we have, Joachim?

[joachimt]

One day left to choose films. How many noms out of 16 do we have, Joachim?

Let me check my inbox first.

About the pace:
Only responses say to go with three weeks per match with one week overlap, so let's go with that. In that case, I'll start each match on a Sunday, so we'll start the 25th.

[joachimt]

One day left to choose films. How many noms out of 16 do we have, Joachim?

Got 13/16 now. Only waiting for Ritesh and Fergenaprido.

I sent reminders. Fergy replied. I don't my message to Ritesh anymore, not in my outbox and not in sent items. Still here, Ritesh?

[hurluberlu]

He has not been active since Feb. 28… I guess we could call back the highest rank eliminated from previous round if he doesn’t show up ?

[Fergenaprido]

He has not been active since Feb. 28… I guess we could call back the highest rank eliminated from previous round if he doesn’t show up ?

Last time a manager went AWOL, someone else stepped in to manage the country instead of replacing it with another country.

Perhaps tommy could step in:

I think UK is as good as those 3, if not better. And I personally like UK and Czech more than USA and France, but mostly due to the the huge number of duds I have seen from the latter.

Anyway, my original comment was just a joke. If they are interesting and intriguing enough , people wouldn't have forgot/ignored them in the first place.

Maybe you should contact Ritesh; he took over India just because some 1 post member took it first, never to appear again. So Ritesh didn't show any intentions at first.

If he's willing to give over India, that would include yourself in the game. But you have to ask him first.

Ah, That's fine. I've missed the train and let it be Ritesh has done quite well with India before. So I would like him to continue.

[Mario Gaborović]

He has not been active since Feb. 28… I guess we could call back the highest rank eliminated from previous round if he doesn’t show up ?

That's Iceland and it was managed by 72aicm. So we could ask him to take over USA if Ritesh doesn't show up, right?

[tommy_leazaq]

He has not been active since Feb. 28… I guess we could call back the highest rank eliminated from previous round if he doesn’t show up ?

Last time a manager went AWOL, someone else stepped in to manage the country instead of replacing it with another country.

I agree. It would be unfair to USA otherwise. Also if Ritesh shows up after USA win 2nd round, he could re-take it.

Perhaps tommy could step in:

Maybe you should contact Ritesh; he took over India just because some 1 post member took it first, never to appear again. So Ritesh didn't show any intentions at first.

If he's willing to give over India, that would include yourself in the game. But you have to ask him first.

Ah, That's fine. I've missed the train and let it be Ritesh has done quite well with India before. So I would like him to continue.

I'm already a step-in for India, as after that quoted conversation Ritesh had given India up to me. So, I'm not really keen to take another and USA is not my strong suit anyway. I'm sure there are other interested persons here for USA.

[Fergenaprido]

Ah, my bad. Thanks for clarifying tommy. I had only remembered you offering to step in.

Mario's suggestion of 72aicm works for me too.

FYI I'm finalizing my Egypt pick tonight and my Canada pick tomorrow, so I'll meet the deadline of the 20th.

[hurluberlu]

Any contact made with 72aicm ? Next in line is klaus78.

[72aicm]

Just stumbled upon this thread by accident. I don’t mind «killing» a third country. Just quote me if that’s what’s up. Deadline is today?

[Mario Gaborović]

Any contact made with 72aicm ? Next in line is klaus78.

As you can read from the post above, tommy wants to manage USA as he claimed he was the Ritesh's substitute.

[joachimt]

Any contact made with 72aicm ? Next in line is klaus78.

As you can read from the post above, tommy wants to manage USA as he claimed he was the Ritesh's substitute.

I don't read his post like that. I think 72aicm can take over.

[hurluberlu]

Any contact made with 72aicm ? Next in line is klaus78.

As you can read from the post above, tommy wants to manage USA as he claimed he was the Ritesh's substitute.

lol, what ?

I'm already a step-in for India, as after that quoted conversation Ritesh had given India up to me. So, I'm not really keen to take another and USA is not my strong suit anyway. I'm sure there are other interested persons here for USA.

[Mario Gaborović]

Any contact made with 72aicm ? Next in line is klaus78.

As you can read from the post above, tommy wants to manage USA as he claimed he was the Ritesh's substitute.

lol, what ?

I'm already a step-in for India, as after that quoted conversation Ritesh had given India up to me. So, I'm not really keen to take another and USA is not my strong suit anyway. I'm sure there are other interested persons here for USA.

I'd bet I read he WAS keen to take it over, but maybe it was just me mixing up things, or he edited the post. Dunno.

[hurluberlu]

As you can read from the post above, tommy wants to manage USA as he claimed he was the Ritesh's substitute.

lol, what ?

I'm already a step-in for India, as after that quoted conversation Ritesh had given India up to me. So, I'm not really keen to take another and USA is not my strong suit anyway. I'm sure there are other interested persons here for USA.

I'd bet I read he WAS keen to take it over, but maybe it was just me mixing up things, or he edited the post. Dunno.

Your brain took quite a shortcut, no biggie, that happens to everyone. Hope 72aicm was not scared away !

[72aicm]

I’m not. Movie sent to joachimt. But let’s hope Ritesh comes back in time

[joachimt]

Only waiting for Fergenaprido for his two picks and then the schedule can be revealed.

[joachimt]

Schedule is in the OP.