Year-by-Year Polls: 2001 (Results)

[Rufus-T]

These are the results for the 2001 poll.

Total number of voters: 54 (50 ranked, 2 unranked, 2 partially ranked)
Total number of films receiving votes: 288

Thank you to these 54 participants:

beasterne, beavis, blocho, cayado-coro, Cinepolis, Fergenaprido, filmbantha, George Eastman, Good_Will_Harding, Gordon_Gekko, gromit82, gunnar, hurluberlu, imshelboy, insomnius, Ivan0716, jdidaco, jeff_v, joachimt, klaus78, Lakigigar, Leopardi, LeSchpountz, lineuphere, Lonewolf2003, matthewscott8, Minkin, MoTH, murnaunosferatu, Mysterious Dude, OldAle1, Opio, ororama, peeptoad, pitchorneirda, PopperTheKungFu-Dragon, prodigalgodson, RogerTheMovieManiac88, Rufus-T, Silga, Smoover, sol, St. Gloede, Teproc, Torgo, Traveller, TraverseTown, viktor-vaudevillain, whizwilly, Y U M E, zzzorf

Films with the minimum of 3 votes or ranked as #1 are listed.

Tie breaker is # of mentions followed by the film with higher ranking and then by number of IMDb votes

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Here is the list:

* = short film

ICM FORUM'S FAVORITE FILMS FROM 2001

RANK	FILM (2012 poll ranking)	DIRECTOR(S)	POINTS	MENTIONS	HIGHEST RANKING	IMDb VOTES	POSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1	LINK
1	Mulholland Drive / Mulholland Dr. (1)	David Lynch	520	33	1	363,650	1SO, Ivan0716, jeff_v, murnaunosferatu, St. Gloede
2	Spirited Away / Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi (2)	Hayao Miyazaki	504	35	1	779,445	gromit82, hurluberlu, klaus78, Leopardi, Silga, Teproc, Torgo, whizwilly
3	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (3)	Peter Jackson	465.5	34	1	1,900,603	beasterne, Good_Will_Harding, Smoover, zzzorf
4	Amélie / Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain (10)	Jean-Pierre Jeunet	295	22	1	765,199	Fergenaprido, joachimt, LeSchpountz
5	And Your Mother Too / Y tu mamá también (9)	Alfonso Cuarón	280	22	1	125,070	AB537
6	Donnie Darko (12)	Richard Kelly	249	19	1	813,498	George Eastman, Lonewolf2003
7	A.I. Artificial Intelligence (5)	Steven Spielberg	222	16	2	312,958
8	Ghost World (4)	Terry Zwigoff	219	21	1	122,905	Opio
9	Gosford Park (6 tied)	Robert Altman	209	17	1	90,016	blocho, imshelboy
10	The Man Who Wasn't There (8)	Joel Coen	206	21	2	111,404
11	Monsters, Inc. (51)	Pete Docter, Lee Unkrich, David Silverman	206	21	4	923,585
12	The Royal Tenenbaums (15)	Wes Anderson	202	26	3	298,530
13	The Piano Teacher / La pianiste (6 tied)	Michael Haneke	177	15	2	66,955
14	Waking Life (37)	Richard Linklater	176	12	1	65,264	filmbantha, Mysterious Dude
15	The Others (11)	Alejandro Amenábar	164.5	19	5	373,828
16	No Man's Land (27)	Danis Tanovic	137	16	3	47,756
17	Take Care of My Cat / Go-yang-i-leul boo-tak-hae (14)	Jae-eun Jeong	137	10	1	2,476	OldAle1, PopperTheKungFu-Dragon
18	Shrek (52 tied)	Andrew Adamson, Vicky Jenson	128	11	2	692,662
19	What Time Is It There? / Ni na bian ji dian (36)	Ming-liang Tsai	120	8	1	5,126	lineuphere
20	Millennium Actress / Sennen joyû (32)	Satoshi Kon	118	13	1	29,323	TraverseTown
21	Ocean's Eleven (39 tied)	Steven Soderbergh	114	11	2	586,138
22	The Devil's Backbone / El espinazo del diablo (20)	Guillermo del Toro	111	13	2	68,104
23	The Swamp / La Ciénaga (49)	Lucrecia Martel	110	10	3	7,077
24	In the Bedroom (13)	Todd Field	107	12	1	40,761	RogerTheMovieManiac88
25	My Sassy Girl / Yeopgijeogin geunyeo (59)	Jae-young Kwak	104	11	1	49,043	ororama
26	Millennium Mambo / Qian xi man bo (17)	Hsiao-Hsien Hou	102	10	1	5,897	Lakigigar, Traveller
27	Moulin Rouge! (58)	Baz Luhrmann	100	9	2	289,700
28	Nowhere in Africa / Nirgendwo in Afrika (26)	Caroline Link	96.5	7	1	13,562	sol
29	Pulse / Kairo (44)	Kiyoshi Kurosawa	94	9	2	22,473
30	Training Day (33)	Antoine Fuqua	91	10	2	446,269
31	Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone / Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (38)	Chris Columbus	88	9	3	801,154
32	All About Lily Chou-Chou / Riri Shushu no subete (43)	Shunji Iwai	85	7	3	9,742
33	Band of Brothers (19)	David Frankel, Mikael Salomon, Tom Hanks, David Leland, Richard Loncraine, David Nutter, Phil Alden Robinson, Tony To	81	6	1	479,015	gunnar, Rufus-T
34	Black Hawk Down (24)	Ridley Scott	80	7	4	403,793
35	Hedwig and the Angry Inch (16)	John Cameron Mitchell	78	8	4	36,299
36	Time Out / L'emploi du temps (18)	Laurent Cantet	78	7	4	4,879
37	A Beautiful Mind (22)	Ron Howard	72	11	9	943,950
38	The Curse of the Jade Scorpion (48)	Woody Allen	72	7	5	41,329
39	Trouble Every Day	Claire Denis	71.5	8	3	8,629
40	The Son's Room / La stanza del figlio (39 tied)	Nanni Moretti	67.5	5	5	20,696
41	Sex and Lucía / Lucía y el sexo (21)	Julio Medem	67	7	4	37,592
42	Suicide Club / Jisatsu sâkuru	Sion Sono	64	8	4	21,101
43	The Ground (28) *	Robert Beavers	64	4	1	97	insomnius, prodigalgodson
44	Ichi the Killer / Koroshiya 1	Takashi Miike	63	8	1	57,614	Cinepolis
45	Fragile as the World / Frágil Como o Mundo	Rita Azevedo Gomes	57	3	1	322	jdidaco, viktor-vaudevillain
46	Lantana (31)	Ray Lawrence	55.5	6	4	19,857
47	Freedom / La libertad (42)	Lisandro Alonso	55	7	2	882
48	Blue Spring / Aoi haru	Toshiaki Toyoda	55	5	1	4,069	beavis
49	Bully (60 tied)	Larry Clark	54	4	2	39,177
50	Who Knows? / Va savoir (55 tied)	Jacques Rivette	53	5	1	2,463	pitchorneirda
51	The Pledge (64)	Sean Penn	53	5	6	62,053
52	To the Left of the Father / Lavoura Arcaica	Luiz Fernando Carvalho	51	5	4	1,906
53	West Side Avenue / Batang West Side	Lav Diaz	50	3	1	185	MoTH
54	Legally Blonde (65)	Robert Luketic	49	6	8	226,394
55	Zoolander (62)	Ben Stiller	48	5	3	279,086
56	Fat Girl / À ma soeur! (74)	Catherine Breillat	46	5	10	12,194
57	Super Troopers	Jay Chandrasekhar	46	3	4	107,901
58	Baran	Majid Majidi	43.5	6	8	8,628
59	The Experiment / Das Experiment	Oliver Hirschbiegel	43	5	1	94,751	Gordon_Gekko
60	The Fourth Dimension	T. Minh-ha Trinh	42	3	2	80
61	Frailty	Bill Paxton	41	6	5	86,203
62	Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner / Atanarjuat (25)	Zacharias Kunuk	41	5	6	6,711
63	The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra	Larry Blamire	40	4	1	4,973	Minkin
64	In Praise of Love / Éloge de l'amour (45)	Jean-Luc Godard	40	3	3	2,924
65	Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India	Ashutosh Gowariker	39	4	7	116,352
66	Dream Work *	Peter Tscherkassky	38	4	3	1,074
67	Visitor Q / Bijitâ Q (71 tied)	Takashi Miike	38	4	8	16,512
68	Distance	Kore-eda Hirokazu	38	3	1	1,698	Y U M E
69	Storytelling	Todd Solondz	36	3	4	17,942
70	Beijing Bicycle / Shiqi sui de dan che (35)	Xiaoshuai Wang	34.5	3	2	4,660
71	Brief Crossing / Brève traversée	Catherine Breillat	34.5	3	7	1,834
72	A Knight's Tale	Brian Helgeland	34	5	6	191,594
73	Spy Game	Tony Scott	34	3	3	160,102
74	Brotherhood of the Wolf / Le pacte des loups	Christophe Gans	32.5	4	12	68,182
75	Shaolin Soccer / Siu Lam juk kau (66)	Stephen Chow	32	4	8	83,341
76	Hearts in Atlantis	Scott Hicks	32	3	8	39,718
77	Faat Kiné	Ousmane Sembene	32	3	8	343
78	Atlantis: The Lost Empire	Gary Trousdale, Kirk Wise	31	4	11	124,533
79	Warm Water Under a Red Bridge / Akai hashi no shita no nurui mizu	Shôhei Imamura	31	3	11	2,722
80	Cat Soup / Nekojiru-sô *	Tatsuo Satô	28	4	1	5,633	matthewscott8
81	The Son of the Bride / El hijo de la novia	Juan José Campanella	27.5	3	12	15,994
82	L.I.E.	Michael Cuesta	25	4	9	10,205
83	Winged Migration / Le peuple migrateur	Jacques Perrin, Jacques Cluzaud, Michel Debats	24	3	8	12,070
84	Second Class Citizens / Vtorostepennye lyudi	Kira Muratova	24	3	12	180
85	Bridget Jones's Diary (52 tied)	Sharon Maguire	21	3	7	249,680
86	The Hidden Half / Nimeh-ye penhan	Tahmineh Milani	21	3	9	845
87	Dogtown and Z-Boys	Stacy Peralta	20	1	1	13,089	peeptoad
88	Blow	Ted Demme	16	4	15	265,266
89	Hannibal	Ridley Scott	16	3	14	280,820
90	The Fast and the Furious	Rob Cohen	12	4	10	393,311
91	Cowboy Bebop: The Movie / Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door / Cowboy Bebop: Tengoku no tobira	Shin'ichirô Watanabe, Tensai Okamura, Hiroyuki Okiura, Yoshiyuki Takei	12	3	13	50,261
92	Joy Ride	John Dahl	11	3	14	71,802

Results as an ICM list
Results as an IMDb list

Full list of nominated films as an IMDb list


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Films that received 1st place votes

(ranked in order of number of first place votes received, then by number of points)

8 - Spirited Away / Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi - gromit82, hurluberlu, klaus78, Leopardi, Silga, Teproc, Torgo, whizwilly
5 - Mulholland Drive / Mulholland Dr. - 1SO, Ivan0716, jeff_v, murnaunosferatu, St. Gloede
4 - The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - beasterne, Good_Will_Harding, Smoover, zzzorf
3 - Amélie / Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain - Fergenaprido, joachimt, LeSchpountz
2 - Donnie Darko - George Eastman, Lonewolf2003
2 - Gosford Park - blocho, imshelboy
2 - Waking Life - filmbantha, Mysterious Dude
2 - Take Care of My Cat / Go-yang-i-leul boo-tak-hae - OldAle1, PopperTheKungFu-Dragon
2 - Millennium Mambo / Qian xi man bo - Lakigigar, Traveller
2 - Band of Brothers - gunnar, Rufus-T
2 - The Ground - insomnius, prodigalgodson
2 - Fragile as the World / Frágil Como o Mundo - jdidaco, viktor-vaudevillain
1 - And Your Mother Too / Y tu mamá también - AB537
1 - Ghost World - Opio
1 - What Time Is It There? / Ni na bian ji dian - lineuphere
1 - Millennium Actress / Sennen joyû - TraverseTown
1 - In the Bedroom - RogerTheMovieManiac88
1 - My Sassy Girl / Yeopgijeogin geunyeo - ororama
1 - Nowhere in Africa / Nirgendwo in Afrika - sol
1 - Ichi the Killer / Koroshiya 1 - Cinepolis
1 - Blue Spring / Aoi haru - beavis
1 - Who Knows? / Va savoir - pitchorneirda
1 - West Side Avenue / Batang West Side - MoTH
1 - The Experiment / Das Experiment - Gordon_Gekko
1 - The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra - Minkin
1 - Distance - Y U M E
1 - Cat Soup / Nekojiru-sô - matthewscott8
1 - Dogtown and Z-Boys - peeptoad

Unranked ballots: Angel Glez, cayado-coro


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Awards

Oscar

3. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
9. Gosford Park
24. In the Bedroom
27. Moulin Rouge!
37. A Beautiful Mind (Winner)

Cannes

40. The Son's Room / La stanza del figlio (2001 Palme d'Or)

Berlin

-- Intimacy (2001 Golden Berlin Bear winner) - 2 mentions, 25.5 points
2. Spirited Away / Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi (2002 Golden Berlin Bear co-winner with Bloody Sunday)

Venice

-- Monsoon Wedding (2001 Golden Lion winner) - 2 menion, 15.5 points


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Comparing to the top 10 most voted films at IMDb

1. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (1,900,603) - 34 mentions, 465.5 points, ranked #3
2. A Beautiful Mind (943,950) - 11 mentions, 72 points, ranked #37
3. Monsters, Inc. (923,585) - 21 mentions, 206 points, ranked #11
4. Donnie Darko (813,498) - 19 mentions, 249 points, ranked #6
5. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone / Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (801,154) - 9 mentions, 88 points, ranked #31
6. Spirited Away / Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi (779,445) - 35 mentions, 504 points, ranked #2
7. Amélie / Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain (765,199) - 22 mentions, 295 points, ranked #4
8. Shrek (692,662) - 11 mentions, 128 points, ranked #18
9. Ocean's Eleven (586,138) - 11 mentions, 114 points, ranked #21
10. Band of Brothers (479,015) - 6 mentions, 81 points, ranked #33


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Breakdown by primary nations for all 288 voted films

Number of countries: 39

# of films ____ Country
111 __________ USA
40 ___________ France
27 ___________ Japan
15 ___________ UK
13 ___________ Germany
9 ____________ Canada
7 ____________ South Korea
6 ____________ Iran
5 ____________ Austria, Italy, Spain
4 ____________ Argentina
3 ____________ Hong Kong, India, Netherlands
2 ____________ Australia, China, Israel, Portugal, Senegal, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand
1 ____________ Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Chile, Czechia, Greece, Hungary, Mexico, New Zealand, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, Vietnam



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The next poll will be 2015 followed by 1954 and then the year-end poll for 2022.

[peeptoad]

Results! Thanks, Rufus.

[Silga]

Great to see The Man Who Wasn't There in the Top 10!

[St. Gloede]

Thank you for hosting, Rufus!

Nice to see Mulholland Dr. take the win and it was even nicer to see Take Care of My Cat in the top 20 until I realized it dropped. Interesting to see the big drop for The Piano Teacher, might have given that my 1. last time.

Anyways, do I got some big films left from this year...

Overall: 64/92

Films yet to see in the top 50:

24. In the Bedroom
26. Millennium Mambo
28. Nowhere in Africa
33. Band of Brothers
36. L'emploi du temps
43. The Ground
46. Lantana
50. Va savoir

Even further down I see To the Left of the Father, which I have been meaning to see forever, and Lagaan, which I have been avoiding forever. Interesting to also see how low Faat Kiné landed, that is the last Sembene I'm yet to see.

[Torgo]

Godly Top 2, what a year

There are two Asian films with the word "cat" in their (English) title in the Top 100. I'm proud of our combined work.

[cinewest]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

[Torgo]

You need to vote for the right films then.
10 9 of my Top 10 got in the Top 14, so I feel very excited. -> instant satisfaction

Oh, miscount, Pulse (Kairo) only made a supersad #29

[gunnar]

I was able to sneak 8 of mine into the top 20. Unfortunately, my top two ended up in 33rd and 22nd place.

[blocho]

I don't care how many of the movies I vote for make the top 20. I just want to learn about the consensus views of a bunch of avid and well-informed movie watchers. In that sense, every poll is successful for me so long as it has enough participants.

[joachimt]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

[Fergenaprido]

I don't care how many of the movies I vote for make the top 20. I just want to learn about the consensus views of a bunch of avid and well-informed movie watchers. In that sense, every poll is successful for me so long as it has enough participants.

Same.

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

Thanks for taking one for the team, J.

Only 8 of my list made the Top 20 as well. We can have a joint pity party.

[cinewest]

I don't care how many of the movies I vote for make the top 20. I just want to learn about the consensus views of a bunch of avid and well-informed movie watchers. In that sense, every poll is successful for me so long as it has enough participants.

I guess, given what I have seen, I am not that interested in the consensus view on this board, but more in finding out about films I haven't seen that I might be drawn to. That's probably why the 500 < 400 list is the one that most gets my attention, though the problem there is that various "mafias" on board make it difficult for many interesting films to breakthrough.

What attracts me most about the other lists that are generated here are some of the individual lists that are submitted, from which I can also discover something.

[OldAle1]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

It should be noted that cinewest did not actually submit a valid ballot - he never added URLs - so presumably his own contributions weren't added. I'm not gonna bother tallying it up, but that might have changed the top 20 to give him another "win" or two.

The thing is, with more recent years - and I'll define "recent" for purposes of these polls as going back to the 90s at least, possibly the 80s or further - there are just enormous numbers of films that are widely available and have some critical or at least cult cachet - and we have many voters who have seen hundreds of films from each of these years. So the pool, as noted, is very large - 288 this year and I'm sure larger for some other years. And there's no reason to hope that consensus will be all that great - why should it be? I seem to remember one of the polls I ran back on the ol' CFB having around 360 total films. And there are many people - not just ANGEL who publicly notes it - who will deliberately leave out some of the more popular choices. I think most of us have a culling process and I know for myself, if it's a choice between an American film with 250,000 IMDb votes that's on 8 icm lists and an Israeli film with 2,000 IMDb votes on 0 lists, and I like them both equally but have to make room, I'm gonna pick the lesser-known film. And this will result in fewer of my choices making the top ranks probably but - who cares? All of the films near the top are very well-known and need little press to continue to get viewers, whereas the favorites I'd really like to promote need every bit of help they can get. My #1 film just made it into the top 20 - but it's currently not available for streaming, it's DVDs in every region all long out of print, and it's never been on BD. So I'm just happy it's gotten as many views as it has had - many other films aren't even that lucky.

Oh and 4 of my top 20 made it to the forum top 20, by the way.

[cinewest]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

Your sarcasm is off point, even scurrilous, as my expectation of the poll isn't even close to what you presume it is.

[cinewest]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

It should be noted that cinewest did not actually submit a valid ballot - he never added URLs - so presumably his own contributions weren't added. I'm not gonna bother tallying it up, but that might have changed the top 20 to give him another "win" or two.

The thing is, with more recent years - and I'll define "recent" for purposes of these polls as going back to the 90s at least, possibly the 80s or further - there are just enormous numbers of films that are widely available and have some critical or at least cult cachet - and we have many voters who have seen hundreds of films from each of these years. So the pool, as noted, is very large - 288 this year and I'm sure larger for some other years. And there's no reason to hope that consensus will be all that great - why should it be? I seem to remember one of the polls I ran back on the ol' CFB having around 360 total films. And there are many people - not just ANGEL who publicly notes it - who will deliberately leave out some of the more popular choices. I think most of us have a culling process and I know for myself, if it's a choice between an American film with 250,000 IMDb votes that's on 8 icm lists and an Israeli film with 2,000 IMDb votes on 0 lists, and I like them both equally but have to make room, I'm gonna pick the lesser-known film. And this will result in fewer of my choices making the top ranks probably but - who cares? All of the films near the top are very well-known and need little press to continue to get viewers, whereas the favorites I'd really like to promote need every bit of help they can get. My #1 film just made it into the top 20 - but it's currently not available for streaming, it's DVDs in every region all long out of print, and it's never been on BD. So I'm just happy it's gotten as many views as it has had - many other films aren't even that lucky.

Oh and 4 of my top 20 made it to the forum top 20, by the way.

Your points here speak a lot more to a conversation I believe is worth having.

"...there are just enormous numbers of films that are widely available and have some critical or at least cult cachet - and we have many voters who have seen hundreds of films from each of these years. So the pool, as noted, is very large -288..."

Wow, are there really 288 outstanding films from 2001?

"All of the films near the top are very well-known and need little press to continue to get viewers, whereas the favorites I'd really like to promote need every bit of help they can get."

Very true, and this is perhaps what's most disheartening about the result to me.

[Fergenaprido]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

Your sarcasm is off point, even scurrilous, as my expectation of the poll isn't even close to what you presume it is.

I find it sad and disheartening that you take Joachim's straightforward and in good faith reply as sarcasm.

And if Ale's guess is correct and your ballot wasn't even included because you didn't bother to submit it properly, then why bother complaining about the results of the list when you clearly don't care enough about it to participate correctly?

I honestly don't get what makes you tick.

(Mod edit)

[cinewest]

I don't read it as sarcasm either, but this would be a good time to take a step back and get rid off that last line in your post. It's undue.
Else I will have to call the mods.

"Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?"

What do you call this? Where in anything I have said did I suggest that my list is the best, or anything like that? (though, of course it is, if only for me). If not sarcasm, then this comment is a complete misrepresentation of my point, and I have tried to clarify in other posts where I am coming from.

So sorry to offend, though in your case, I realize you must be joking.

[cinewest]

I'll bite, I just can't keep my mouth shut, but it's probably useless and you'll give the same complaints next time again.

One third of your top 20 made the top 20. That's a decent result!! Out of 288 different movies voted for, the forum agreed with your top 20 choices for one third of your list! How is that something to be disappointed about. Do you really think out of 288 different movies from 54 voters, the consensus would be that cinewest's list is the best?
I'm not going to find out how the rest of your votes did, but probably a lot of them were somewhere lower in the list, so they were spotlighted as well.

From my list, 8 movies made the top 20, so almost the same as yours. 6 of my votes didn't make the list at all. Sure, a shame, but naturally I can't expect the whole world, or not even this forum, to fully agree with me.

Your sarcasm is off point, even scurrilous, as my expectation of the poll isn't even close to what you presume it is.

I find it sad and disheartening that you take Joachim's straightforward and in good faith reply as sarcasm.

And if Ale's guess is correct and your ballot wasn't even included because you didn't bother to submit it properly, then why bother complaining about the results of the list when you clearly don't care enough about it to participate correctly?

I honestly don't get what makes you tick.

You don't get what makes a lot of great films tick, or why people think they are great, so your last comment doesn't;t surprise me.

[Fergenaprido]

Your sarcasm is off point, even scurrilous, as my expectation of the poll isn't even close to what you presume it is.

I find it sad and disheartening that you take Joachim's straightforward and in good faith reply as sarcasm.

And if Ale's guess is correct and your ballot wasn't even included because you didn't bother to submit it properly, then why bother complaining about the results of the list when you clearly don't care enough about it to participate correctly?

I honestly don't get what makes you tick, and I find it morbidly fascinating, like a train wreck.

You don't get what makes a lot of great films tick, or why people think they are great, so your last comment doesn't;t surprise me.

Not sure where you're extrapolating that assumption from, but if it's because I might not like some films that you like, then sure, you can think that. I'd love for you to source a quote from me that backs up your statement about me not understanding "what makes a lot of great films tick, or why people think they are great", but it won't surprise me if you don't bother. I think my written record on this forum is pretty consistent about the fact that I fully understand when I'm in the minority opinion about a film, and can often see why people enjoy things I don't enjoy. We're allowed to have different opinions and to like different films, which is something you don't seem to accept and continue to whine about at every given opportunity.

[OldAle1]

Wow, are there really 288 outstanding films from 2001?

Could be. If we look at IMDb data, and consider all the types of "films" that are typically voted for/allowed in these polls - that is, features, docs, shorts, mini-series, TV movies, music videos etc, but not TV series or episodes, we have a total of 18,642 titles. 288 is about 1.5% of those. Of course these are fairly meaningless stats - even between all of us on the forum, we haven't seen all 18k films - probably not even 2k, maybe not even 1,000 of them. And we all of course have different definitions of "outstanding" and - and this is something I think many people including you just don't get - there isn't any requirement here that we should only be considering "outstanding" films. Perhaps for you the words "favorite", "well-liked", "outstanding", "great", "masterpiece", etc, are all completely synonymous - and you would only vote for films that fit your understanding of these terms - but it's not true for me I can tell you, and probably not for many people. I continue to find it odd that someone as educated and intelligent as you are takes these polls so seriously and is so critical of the results, when a barely literate moronic loser like myself really doesn't give a shit and just tries to have fun with them. Maybe I should be glad I'm not smart, articulate or capable - I have enough to complain about even in my own limited mental world without worrying that other people don't see the genius of Lav Diaz.

[cinewest]

@ Fergie @ Ale,

Ok, Ok. I get it. It must be annoying, even boring hearing me complain about the results of the typical poll here that I weigh in on, but then that's exactly how the results strike me, and isn't this a thread made for comments?

Or are we only supposed to say nice things, thank everyone for participating, and gloat about our own stats as related to the result stats.

I'm more interested in exploring the "why" of things. The reason I didn't take the trouble to load the urls to my list is that after reviewing more and more of the individual lists, and despite taking interest in a few of them, I just began to lose interest in where the result was headed.

As for what is considered "outstanding," I do think it's interesting that there is a much greater sense of agreement around films made prior to 1960, perhaps because there were fewer of them, as well as fewer different kinds, then.

Maybe I just have the wrong expectations, or am frustrated by the lack of deeper discussion on these boards and by not finding more affinity beyond a basic love of movies. I don't expect people to agree with me or have the same taste in movies as I do. None of my movie going friends do. But I love a good film discussion, even in disagreement. In fact, I think that one of the best ways to learn about movies and develop one's taste is through a challenging discussion- that is if people are truly interested in what others have to say about things rather than in just tooting their own horns (usually by way of a score), which I am accused of, but actually see as something endemic to this board.

[Fergenaprido]

@ Fergie @ Ale,

Ok, Ok. I get it. It must be annoying, even boring hearing me complain about the results of the typical poll here that I weigh in on, but then that's exactly how the results strike me, and isn't this a thread made for comments?

Or are we only supposed to say nice things, thank everyone for participating, and gloat about our own stats as related to the result stats.

I'm more interested in exploring the "why" of things. The reason I didn't take the trouble to load the urls to my list is that after reviewing more and more of the individual lists, and despite taking interest in a few of them, I just began to lose interest in where the result was headed.

As for what is considered "outstanding," I do think it's interesting that there is a much greater sense of agreement around films made prior to 1960, perhaps because there were fewer of them, as well as fewer different kinds, then.

Maybe I just have the wrong expectations, or am frustrated by the lack of deeper discussion on these boards and by not finding more affinity beyond a love of movies. I don't expect people to agree with me or have the same taste in movies as I do. None of my movie going friends do. But I love a good film discussion, even in disagreement. In fact, I think that one of the best ways to learn about movies and develop one's taste is through a challenging discussion- that is if people are truly interested in what others have to say about things rather than in just tooting their own horns (by way of a score), which I am accused of, but actually see as something endemic to this board.

Yes. It is annoying and tiresome to see you complain endlessly on this forum about everything you don't agree with. I can only reiterate what many folks have said before: it's not what you say, but how you're saying it. The way you write comes across as sanctimonious, as if you are the Supreme Ruler from on High who dictates what is in good taste and what isn't, and your behaviour makes you seem like a pompous ass. You belittle and denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you, often going on long diatribes or ramblings that don't invite honest and fruitful discussion.

I don't think anyone here is gloating about their own stats; to me, it comes across as either they're pleased at how much they've seen or how well their favourite films did, or they're excited about certain films that they haven't yet seen and are eager to explore.

If you lost interest in where the result was headed enough to not bother finishing submitting a list, why bother to comment on the results afterward, if not just to be a shit disturber? I don't get it.

I also love a good discussion, and even a good argument, but only with people who know how to argue well and respectfully. Based on what you write, I don't think you are one of those people, because I've never seen you argue in good faith, you often accuse others of irrational behaviour, and when someone poses a question you don't like or challenges your perception of things, you either construct straw man attacks against them or ignore the question completely in your response. This is not a good way to foster discussion, here or elsewhere.

I could understand if only you and I were constantly butting heads that it's something we're both contributing to, but at this point, multiple people have repeatedly called out your behaviour/attitude in multiple threads, and you seemingly refuse to acknowledge that the problem lies with you.

I'd offer suggestions on how I think you could reword your posts to foster discussion, but I doubt you'd bother, so I won't. Joachim tried to respond to you nicely, and explain to you how what you considered a negative was actually a positive in the grand scheme of things, and instead of trying to engage with him or expand upon your point of view, you simply attacked him and accused him of being sarcastic. Hardly a good strategy to continue a discussion you supposedly wish to have. Even your attempt to civilly respond to Ale's post devolved into snide remarks about the film taste of others, acting incredulous that there were "288 outstanding films from 2001" - a claim no one made. Collectively, there were 288 films that the voters of this forum voted for, and each individual person will have a different idea of which of those films are outstanding and which are not. Why is this so hard for you to understand/accept?

It's clear, to me, that you are not actually interested in challenging and worthwhile discussion. Instead, you prefer to attempt to gaslight us all into thinking that we're doing something wrong by professing our love for certain films or feeling happy when we like the results. The world is a shitstorm out there, and while I don't think anyone here is saying "only post nice things", our collective love of film and the projects and polls we do on here are like a small escape from the nastiness of the outside world, so I think it's only natural you'll see a lot of positivity here, sometimes more effusive than you may like.

I think it's telling that you didn't actually respond to my post or acknowledge the detailed explanation Ale gave in response to your snide remark.

[blocho]

All of this back-and-forth is obscuring the most important point.

Only two people besides me voted for Super Troopers. I wonder whether that's because we don't have a mafia for dumb American comedies of the early 2000s (even if we have a mafia for nearly everything else) or because most people have realized that Super Troopers is low-profile copaganda.

[gunnar]

Super Troopers made my Honorable Mentions and wasn't too far away from making my top 20. It may be copaganda, but it was fun.

[Gordon_Gekko]

I can understand cinewest in the way that the 2001-results are - even in comparition to other y-by-y pools - dominated by popular films (what not means bad!)
Beside place 17 and 19 (i haven't seen like many people recording to the imdb votes) it's a very well known Top 20, different to other pools where we had for example asian films with a few hundred imdb-votes in the Top 20 / Top 10.
Personal i don't care cause popularity has no impact to the quality of a film. But for someone whos favorite icm list is the 500 > 400 it's maybe not very overwhelming.

Anyway, have a nice weekend folks.

[cinewest]

@ Fergie @ Ale,

Ok, Ok. I get it. It must be annoying, even boring hearing me complain about the results of the typical poll here that I weigh in on, but then that's exactly how the results strike me, and isn't this a thread made for comments?

Or are we only supposed to say nice things, thank everyone for participating, and gloat about our own stats as related to the result stats.

I'm more interested in exploring the "why" of things. The reason I didn't take the trouble to load the urls to my list is that after reviewing more and more of the individual lists, and despite taking interest in a few of them, I just began to lose interest in where the result was headed.

As for what is considered "outstanding," I do think it's interesting that there is a much greater sense of agreement around films made prior to 1960, perhaps because there were fewer of them, as well as fewer different kinds, then.

Maybe I just have the wrong expectations, or am frustrated by the lack of deeper discussion on these boards and by not finding more affinity beyond a love of movies. I don't expect people to agree with me or have the same taste in movies as I do. None of my movie going friends do. But I love a good film discussion, even in disagreement. In fact, I think that one of the best ways to learn about movies and develop one's taste is through a challenging discussion- that is if people are truly interested in what others have to say about things rather than in just tooting their own horns (by way of a score), which I am accused of, but actually see as something endemic to this board.

Yes. It is annoying and tiresome to see you complain endlessly on this forum about everything you don't agree with. I can only reiterate what many folks have said before: it's not what you say, but how you're saying it. The way you write comes across as sanctimonious, as if you are the Supreme Ruler from on High who dictates what is in good taste and what isn't, and your behaviour makes you seem like a pompous ass. You belittle and denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you, often going on long diatribes or ramblings that don't invite honest and fruitful discussion.

I don't think anyone here is gloating about their own stats; to me, it comes across as either they're pleased at how much they've seen or how well their favourite films did, or they're excited about certain films that they haven't yet seen and are eager to explore.

If you lost interest in where the result was headed enough to not bother finishing submitting a list, why bother to comment on the results afterward, if not just to be a shit disturber? I don't get it.

I also love a good discussion, and even a good argument, but only with people who know how to argue well and respectfully. Based on what you write, I don't think you are one of those people, because I've never seen you argue in good faith, you often accuse others of irrational behaviour, and when someone poses a question you don't like or challenges your perception of things, you either construct straw man attacks against them or ignore the question completely in your response. This is not a good way to foster discussion, here or elsewhere.

I could understand if only you and I were constantly butting heads that it's something we're both contributing to, but at this point, multiple people have repeatedly called out your behaviour/attitude in multiple threads, and you seemingly refuse to acknowledge that the problem lies with you.

I'd offer suggestions on how I think you could reword your posts to foster discussion, but I doubt you'd bother, so I won't. Joachim tried to respond to you nicely, and explain to you how what you considered a negative was actually a positive in the grand scheme of things, and instead of trying to engage with him or expand upon your point of view, you simply attacked him and accused him of being sarcastic. Hardly a good strategy to continue a discussion you supposedly wish to have. Even your attempt to civilly respond to Ale's post devolved into snide remarks about the film taste of others, acting incredulous that there were "288 outstanding films from 2001" - a claim no one made. Collectively, there were 288 films that the voters of this forum voted for, and each individual person will have a different idea of which of those films are outstanding and which are not. Why is this so hard for you to understand/accept?

It's clear, to me, that you are not actually interested in challenging and worthwhile discussion. Instead, you prefer to attempt to gaslight us all into thinking that we're doing something wrong by professing our love for certain films or feeling happy when we like the results. The world is a shitstorm out there, and while I don't think anyone here is saying "only post nice things", our collective love of film and the projects and polls we do on here are like a small escape from the nastiness of the outside world, so I think it's only natural you'll see a lot of positivity here, sometimes more effusive than you may like.

I think it's telling that you didn't actually respond to my post or acknowledge the detailed explanation Ale gave in response to your snide remark.

Well, my relationship with you and various others on this board is clearly poisoned, and I'll accept my share of the responsibility for that, but I see things a bit different than you. In fact, other than my initial complaint about the result (which I imagine those who feel the need to defend it might experience as aggressive), I think it has been others (including you) who have been attacking me, not the other way around, though I suppose that none of you see it that way, which is testament to the "baggage"that exists between us.

That you and others might perceive me a certain way doesn't make it so. In fact, I would suggest that once your buttons were pushed, however they were, your perceptions of me and whatever I say has been colored by your own issues and often erroneous assumptions. I only get personal with others when they have disrespected me first. That I have often stated my opinions directly and with passion, or that at times I can be intentionally provocative is only a part of my probing nature and style, which is balanced by genuine inquisitiveness and desire to draw others out as well as foster discussion with an open mind. Do you consider yourself to be openminded? Do you really think that Joachim, Ale, or you have been "nice" in your conversations with me?

But I am not going to convince you or anyone who feels maligned, and therefore righteous in their own aggression toward me, to check their own behavior or question their own perceptions and the veracity of their accusations.

Look, you and whoever are fully entitled to like the results of the poll, but does that mean I have to, or if I don't, I should just keep quiet about it? Maybe it does, especially if I am in the minority. In fact, maybe it means I should just stay away from everything here that is likely to be unsatisfying and stop desiring it to be otherwise. I realize that my own frustrations have affected my own attitude, and that this is on me, so for that I am sorry.

Peace, out.

[Fergenaprido]

Spoiler

@ Fergie @ Ale,

Ok, Ok. I get it. It must be annoying, even boring hearing me complain about the results of the typical poll here that I weigh in on, but then that's exactly how the results strike me, and isn't this a thread made for comments?

Or are we only supposed to say nice things, thank everyone for participating, and gloat about our own stats as related to the result stats.

I'm more interested in exploring the "why" of things. The reason I didn't take the trouble to load the urls to my list is that after reviewing more and more of the individual lists, and despite taking interest in a few of them, I just began to lose interest in where the result was headed.

As for what is considered "outstanding," I do think it's interesting that there is a much greater sense of agreement around films made prior to 1960, perhaps because there were fewer of them, as well as fewer different kinds, then.

Maybe I just have the wrong expectations, or am frustrated by the lack of deeper discussion on these boards and by not finding more affinity beyond a love of movies. I don't expect people to agree with me or have the same taste in movies as I do. None of my movie going friends do. But I love a good film discussion, even in disagreement. In fact, I think that one of the best ways to learn about movies and develop one's taste is through a challenging discussion- that is if people are truly interested in what others have to say about things rather than in just tooting their own horns (by way of a score), which I am accused of, but actually see as something endemic to this board.

Yes. It is annoying and tiresome to see you complain endlessly on this forum about everything you don't agree with. I can only reiterate what many folks have said before: it's not what you say, but how you're saying it. The way you write comes across as sanctimonious, as if you are the Supreme Ruler from on High who dictates what is in good taste and what isn't, and your behaviour makes you seem like a pompous ass. You belittle and denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you, often going on long diatribes or ramblings that don't invite honest and fruitful discussion.

I don't think anyone here is gloating about their own stats; to me, it comes across as either they're pleased at how much they've seen or how well their favourite films did, or they're excited about certain films that they haven't yet seen and are eager to explore.

If you lost interest in where the result was headed enough to not bother finishing submitting a list, why bother to comment on the results afterward, if not just to be a shit disturber? I don't get it.

I also love a good discussion, and even a good argument, but only with people who know how to argue well and respectfully. Based on what you write, I don't think you are one of those people, because I've never seen you argue in good faith, you often accuse others of irrational behaviour, and when someone poses a question you don't like or challenges your perception of things, you either construct straw man attacks against them or ignore the question completely in your response. This is not a good way to foster discussion, here or elsewhere.

I could understand if only you and I were constantly butting heads that it's something we're both contributing to, but at this point, multiple people have repeatedly called out your behaviour/attitude in multiple threads, and you seemingly refuse to acknowledge that the problem lies with you.

I'd offer suggestions on how I think you could reword your posts to foster discussion, but I doubt you'd bother, so I won't. Joachim tried to respond to you nicely, and explain to you how what you considered a negative was actually a positive in the grand scheme of things, and instead of trying to engage with him or expand upon your point of view, you simply attacked him and accused him of being sarcastic. Hardly a good strategy to continue a discussion you supposedly wish to have. Even your attempt to civilly respond to Ale's post devolved into snide remarks about the film taste of others, acting incredulous that there were "288 outstanding films from 2001" - a claim no one made. Collectively, there were 288 films that the voters of this forum voted for, and each individual person will have a different idea of which of those films are outstanding and which are not. Why is this so hard for you to understand/accept?

It's clear, to me, that you are not actually interested in challenging and worthwhile discussion. Instead, you prefer to attempt to gaslight us all into thinking that we're doing something wrong by professing our love for certain films or feeling happy when we like the results. The world is a shitstorm out there, and while I don't think anyone here is saying "only post nice things", our collective love of film and the projects and polls we do on here are like a small escape from the nastiness of the outside world, so I think it's only natural you'll see a lot of positivity here, sometimes more effusive than you may like.

I think it's telling that you didn't actually respond to my post or acknowledge the detailed explanation Ale gave in response to your snide remark.

Well, my relationship with you and various others on this board is clearly poisoned, and I'll accept my share of the responsibility for that, but I see things a bit different than you. In fact, other than my initial complaint about the result (which I imagine those who feel the need to defend it might experience as aggressive), I think it has been others (including you) who have been attacking me, not the other way around, though I suppose that none of you see it that way, which is testament to the "baggage"that exists between us.

That you and others might perceive me a certain way doesn't make it so. In fact, I would suggest that once your buttons were pushed, however they were, your perceptions of me and whatever I say has been colored by your own issues and often erroneous assumptions. I only get personal with others when they have disrespected me first. That I have often stated my opinions directly and with passion, or that at times I can be intentionally provocative is only a part of my probing nature and style, which is balanced by genuine inquisitiveness and desire to draw others out as well as foster discussion with an open mind. Do you consider yourself to be openminded? Do you really think that Joachim, Ale, or you have been "nice" in your conversations with me?

But I am not going to convince you or anyone who feels maligned, and therefore righteous in their own aggression toward me, to check their own behavior or question their own perceptions and the veracity of their accusations.

Look, you and whoever are fully entitled to like the results of the poll, but does that mean I have to, or if I don't, I should just keep quiet about it? Maybe it does, especially if I am in the minority. In fact, maybe it means I should just stay away from everything here that is likely to be unsatisfying and stop desiring it to be otherwise. I realize that my own frustrations here have affected my own attitude, and that this is on me, so for that I am sorry.

Peace, out.

Poisoned or not, you're shifting the conversation again, avoiding replying to any of the previously raised points.

I can only perceive you based on the way you write, since we have no other form of communication. While the written word can be tricky when it comes to tone, I've tried to be very clear in my replies that I'm only forming opinions and perceptions about your behaviour, not about you as a person, since I don't know you at all. If there's a part where I've conflated the two I'll gladly go back and reword or remove the passage in question. I accept that my perception of you doesn't line up with the way you see yourself; I'm sure the reverse is true as well in your perception of me. I don't know what issues you think I have, lol, and the assumptions I have made have been based on your previous behaviour, so I'm unaware of how they are erroneous. I find it hard to give you the benefit of the doubt when you say that you have genuine inquisitiveness and a desire to foster discussion with an open mind, because I don't see either of those traits in the words that you write. I do consider myself to be open-minded, for the record, even if you would disagree.

I think Joachim was fair with you, calling out your behaviour while also remaining civil and trying to be helpful and get you to look at something in a different light. If you saw that as an attack, then I guess we have fundamentally different worldviews.
I think Ale was nice to you in his replies.
I, on the other hand, was probably not "nice". I also "stated my opinions directly" in a curt manner while trying (and perhaps failing) to remain civil. My first reply (to Joachim) was in jest, and it went southward after that. If I had been the first person to reply, and if this had been the first time someone had issue with the way you wrote something, I absolutely would have been nice. However, you started being rude and condescending to people who did reply nicely to you, so I did away with the pleasantries. Like begets like.

If my meticulous replies come across as righteous anger instead of balanced rebuttals, well, that's not ideal but I guess I can live with it. I don't really feel maligned by you, just misrepresented, as it feels you go out of your way to misconstrue what I am saying to fit your own narrative (and yes, you may feel the same way about me). I do check and question my own behaviour and perceptions quite regularly (yay insecurities!), so you're right in that you're not going to convince me to do something I already do, but thanks. You say that you're not what we think or say you are, and that we're mistaken, and yet your continued behaviour just reinforces our/my perceptions.

I don't like or dislike the poll results, personally. I take pleasure in the participation and sharing my favourites, and in viewing the collective taste of the community; the actual composition of the final list doesn't really elicit an emotional response from me aside from the occasional moment of joy when a film I really like does well or a moment of sadness when a film I really like misses making the list. (I feel like I've made a comment like this before to one of your posts in these polls, but after 10 minutes of searching I can't find it). No one has (to my knowledge) told you to just keep quiet about your opinions. What they have asked is for you to phrase them differently so as to not be so dismissive of the film tastes of other members. That shouldn't be something so onerous to ask, and yet it seems to be the one thing that consistently brings you into conflict with others on here. Why is that?

It kind of feels like we're talking past each other (again), but I also get the sense that you're actively avoiding any questions or points brought up, and that you don't actually want us to understand you. It's like you prefer to keep the wall up and you want to be perceived as misunderstood and unfairly maligned. I genuinely don't think that's what you want, but I'm at a loss to explain it any other way.

[OldAle1]

All of this back-and-forth is obscuring the most important point.

Only two people besides me voted for Super Troopers. I wonder whether that's because we don't have a mafia for dumb American comedies of the early 2000s (even if we have a mafia for nearly everything else) or because most people have realized that Super Troopers is low-profile copaganda.

I lived in VT (where it takes place, I believe?) in 2001, and I'm fairly familiar with many of the upstate New York locations where it was filmed, so it's always been on my radar but... my tolerance for dumbass American comedies since, oh, the 90s or so is pretty limited. But since you remind me I'm going to check and see if my library has it today, what the hell. I think dumbass comedies are more my speed right now than they usually have been.

[Minkin]

All of this back-and-forth is obscuring the most important point.

Only two people besides me voted for Super Troopers. I wonder whether that's because we don't have a mafia for dumb American comedies of the early 2000s (even if we have a mafia for nearly everything else) or because most people have realized that Super Troopers is low-profile copaganda.

I voted for Super Troopers as well - rank #6.

I don't see it as Copaganda at all - as they're all clearly narwhal-brained terrible people - like everything Farva does; or they all constantly break the law with their "shenanigans" - and I see it as looking down upon them, as though they're representative of all cops - people you can't really trust anything with. It's kind of like Car 54 Where Are You - where the cops are nice people, but they're also all clearly brain dead folks you can't rely on for anything - and that's the sentiment I get from a lot of these shows -that sure, they're goofy and funny, but they're also just terrible people you wouldn't want to have to deal with in person, as is the case with all cops.

Super Troopers stands out amongst its peers - mostly for not being too offensive (you're cancelled!), but also for the breadth of the jokes and the surreal aspects. Sure, it might be a product of its time, but I think it has enough fun elements to it to make it a solid watch - worth one's time.

[blocho]

I lived in VT (where it takes place, I believe?) in 2001, and I'm fairly familiar with many of the upstate New York locations where it was filmed, so it's always been on my radar but... my tolerance for dumbass American comedies since, oh, the 90s or so is pretty limited. But since you remind me I'm going to check and see if my library has it today, what the hell. I think dumbass comedies are more my speed right now than they usually have been.

I firmly stand behind my recommendation of Super Troopers. Although maybe not for people who don't like dumbass comedies, which it very much is. If you don't find the word bearfucker inherently amusing, this might not be for you.

[blocho]

I voted for Super Troopers as well - rank #6.

I don't see it as Copaganda at all - as they're all clearly narwhal-brained terrible people - like everything Farva does; or they all constantly break the law with their "shenanigans" - and I see it as looking down upon them, as though they're representative of all cops - people you can't really trust anything with. It's kind of like Car 54 Where Are You - where the cops are nice people, but they're also all clearly brain dead folks you can't rely on for anything - and that's the sentiment I get from a lot of these shows -that sure, they're goofy and funny, but they're also just terrible people you wouldn't want to have to deal with in person, as is the case with all cops.

Super Troopers stands out amongst its peers - mostly for not being too offensive (you're cancelled!), but also for the breadth of the jokes and the surreal aspects. Sure, it might be a product of its time, but I think it has enough fun elements to it to make it a solid watch - worth one's time.

First of all, good to meet a fellow Super Troopers supporter!

Second, how dare you impugn the mighty narwhal!

Third, I agree with your entire analysis. I was calling Super Troopers copaganda with my tongue firmly in cheek. I'm mocking myself a bit because I have a habit of seeing copaganda in almost every cop-related movie. And while that's often true, and I could put together an argument that Super Troopers is copaganda, it's not an argument I actually believe. The movie is just too silly for that.

[matthewscott8]

Hard to get excited about a result where only 7 of my top 20 make the top 20.

I can only dream of alignment like that in polls like these.

[Tasselfoot]

All of this back-and-forth is obscuring the most important point.

Only two people besides me voted for Super Troopers. I wonder whether that's because we don't have a mafia for dumb American comedies of the early 2000s (even if we have a mafia for nearly everything else) or because most people have realized that Super Troopers is low-profile copaganda.

I like looking at the results of these polls, but almost never vote in them. Had I voted... Super Troopers would have been in my top10. I was 17 in 2001, so I was prime age for dumb comedies.

[pitchorneirda]

No 2015 poll?

[lineuphere]

No 2015 poll?

Came here curious about 2015 as well.
I hope the poll hosts didn't get scared off.

[Lakigigar]

There are two Asian films with the word "cat" in their (English) title in the Top 100. I'm proud of our combined work.

Now you make me feel sad because The Cat Returns has a 2002 release and not a 2001 one.

[gromit82]

No 2015 poll?

Came here curious about 2015 as well.
I hope the poll hosts didn't get scared off.

I'm still around and so is Rufus-T, but Teproc is supposed to host the 2015 poll and we're waiting to hear from him.

[jeff_v]

Hope Teproc is ok. Should we move on to the next poll?

[Rufus-T]

Hope Teproc is ok. Should we move on to the next poll?

Someone did contact Teproc. Sounds like he is okay. I don't know the detail, but his time is being consumed by some responsibility.

Our plan is to do 2015 in a couple weeks, and then flipped the years and do the year-in-review 2022 first followed by 1954 after that.

[pitchorneirda]

Sounds like the best solution. Thanks for the heads up