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Country Poll: Senegal [RESULTS]

500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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Country Poll: Senegal [RESULTS]

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There were 44 films voted by 23 participants.

Below are all the films that received at least 25 points.

Rank Title [AKA] Year Director Points Ballots Highest Ranking IMDb Votes iCM Checks Toplists
1 Moolaadé 2004 Ousmane Sembene 134.5 14 1 :imdb: 3,922 :ICM: 1,018 6
2 La noire de... [Black Girl] 1966 Ousmane Sembene 131 18 1 :imdb: 4,629 :ICM: 1,327 9
3 Camp de Thiaroye 1988 Ousmane Sembene, Thierno Faty Sow 112 14 1 :imdb: 561 :ICM: 247 5
4 Hyènes [Hyenas] 1992 Djibril Diop Mambéty 99 14 1 :imdb: 1,147 :ICM: 426 5
5 Xala 1975 Ousmane Sembene 92.5 12 1 :imdb: 1,787 :ICM: 767 6
6 Mandabi [The Money Order] 1968 Ousmane Sembene 90.5 12 1 :imdb: 1,143 :ICM: 275 4
7 Atlantique [Atlantics] 2019 Mati Diop 81.5 15 1 :imdb: 9,518 :ICM: 721 3
8 Borom sarret [The Wagoner] 1963 Ousmane Sembene 76 11 2 :imdb: 1,247 :ICM: 399 1
9 Touki-Bouki [Journey of the Hyena] 1973 Djibril Diop Mambéty 75 14 1 :imdb: 3,310 :ICM: 1,123 9
10 La petite vendeuse de soleil [The Little Girl Who Sold the Sun] 1999 Djibril Diop Mambéty 65 10 2 :imdb: 775 :ICM: 210 1
11 Ceddo [The Outsiders] 1977 Ousmane Sembene 51 6 3 :imdb: 929 :ICM: 507 4
12 Guelwaar 1992 Ousmane Sembene 49 6 5 :imdb: 355 :ICM: 133 3
13 Kaddu Beykat [Letter from My Village] 1976 Safi Faye 47 7 2 :imdb: 63 :ICM: 41 1
14 Félicité 2017 Alain Gomis 42.5 8 2 :imdb: 1,077 :ICM: 150 1
15 Emitaï [God of Thunder] 1971 Ousmane Sembene 42 7 3 :imdb: 388 :ICM: 164 2
16 Ndeysaan [The Price of Forgiveness] 2001 Mansour Sora Wade 25.5 4 3 :imdb: 128 :ICM: 13 0
17 Faat Kiné 2001 Ousmane Sembene 25 3 3 :imdb: 334 :ICM: 40 0
17 Aujourd'hui [Tey (Today)] 2012 Alain Gomis 25 2 5 :imdb: 239 :ICM: 74 1

Runners-up (20+ points or 3+ votes or #1 votes)
Rank Title [AKA] Year Director Points Ballots Highest Ranking IMDb Votes iCM Checks Toplists
19 Saloum 2021 Jean Luc Herbulot 23 5 3 :imdb: 1,043 :ICM: 38 0
19 Grand comme le Baobab [Tall as the Baobab Tree] 2012 Jeremy Teicher 23 4 3 :imdb: 140 :ICM: 17 0
21 Ça twist à Popenguine [Rocking Popenguine] 1994 Moussa Sene Absa 21 2 3 :imdb: 79 :ICM: 38 1
21 Mossane 1996 Safi Faye 21 5 6 :imdb: 118 :ICM: 17 0
21 Badou Boy 1970 Djibril Diop Mambéty 21 2 10 :imdb: 171 :ICM: 86 1
24 La pirogue [The Pirogue] 2012 Moussa Touré 20.5 3 4 :imdb: 424 :ICM: 39 0
25 Le franc [The Lot] 1994 Djibril Diop Mambéty 17 5 5 :imdb: 289 :ICM: 158 1
26 Tauw 1970 Ousmane Sembene 14 3 4 :imdb: 62 :ICM: 14 0
27 Un transport en commun [Saint Louis Blues] 2009 Dyana Gaye 12 1 9 :imdb: 63 :ICM: 4 0
28 L'extraordinaire destin de Madame Brouette [Madame Brouette (Mrs. Wheelbarrow)] 2002 Moussa Sene Absa 10 2 6 :imdb: 250 :ICM: 11 0
29 Ousmane 2006 Dyana Gaye 9 3 11 :imdb: 50 :ICM: 5 0
30 N'Diangane 1975 Mahama Traoré 8 1 1 :imdb: 14 :ICM: 6 0
Films that received 1st place votes
5 #1 Moolaadé - 3eyes, Caracortada, Fergenaprido, OldAle1, zzzorf
4 #4 Hyènes - airdolll, filmbantha, ororama, St. Gloede
3 #2 La noire de... - Leopardi, Mario Gaborović, pitchorneirda
3 #3 Camp de Thiaroye - Angel Glez, Cinepolis, PopperTheKungFu-Dragon
3 #9 Touki-Bouki - Melvelet, Y U M E, zomgmouse
1 #5 Xala - sol
1 #6 Mandabi - RogerTheMovieManiac88
1 #7 Atlantique - Lilarcor
1 #30 N'Diangane - Mysterious Dude

1 - unranked - cayado-coro

Directors with multiple films in the Top 18
10 Ousmane Sembene
3 Djibril Diop Mambéty
2 Alain Gomis

Breakdown by Decade
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1910s
1920s
1930s
1940s
1950s
1960s 3
1970s 5
1980s 1
1990s 3
2000s 3
2010s 3
2020s
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Here are the results as an icm list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... genaprido/
Here is the master list with the top 20 from each poll: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... genaprido/

Our last African Forum Poll was held in July 2018. Here's how all the Senegalese films in that poll did in this one. The films are largely the same, but the order is shaken up significantly. Of films that came out since 2018, only Atlantique [Atlantics], Saloum, and Baamum Nafi [Nafi's Father] (1 ballot, 4.5 points), were nominated in our poll.

Rank Title [AKA] Year Country Poll Ranking
2 Hyènes [Hyenas] 1992 4
5 La noire de... [Black Girl] 1966 2
8 Xala 1975 5
9 Camp de Thiaroye 1988 3
10 Touki-Bouki [Journey of the Hyena] 1973 9
13 Moolaadé 2004 1
15 La petite vendeuse de soleil [The Little Girl Who Sold the Sun] 1999 10
22 Ceddo [The Outsiders] 1977 11
26 Emitaï [God of Thunder] 1971 15
28 Borom sarret [The Wagoner] 1963 8
33 Guelwaar 1992 12
47 Mandabi [The Money Order] 1968 6
56 Mossane 1996 21
58 Le franc [The Lot] 1994 25
74 Félicité 2017 14
83 Badou Boy 1970 21
84 Faat Kiné 2001 17
120 La pirogue [The Pirogue] 2012 24
125 Picc mi 1992 #N/A
135 Almodou 2002 42
139 Contras' City [City of Contrasts] 1969 40
189 N'Diangane 1975 30
203 Fary l'anesse [Fary the Donkey] 1990 42
224 Twist à Popenguine [Rocking Popenguine] 1994 21
237 Karmen Geï 2001 33


We have two official African lists: Sharon A. Russell's Guide to African Cinema and the FESPACO Film Festival - Étalon de Yennenga Award. Senegalese films show up on both.

Guide to African Cinema

Title [AKA] Year Country Poll Ranking
Camp de Thiaroye 1988 3
Ceddo 1977 11
Emitaï 1971 15
Fary l'anesse 1990 42
Le franc 1994 25
Guelwaar 1992 12
Hyènes [Hyenas] 1992 4
La noire de... [Black Girl] 1966 2
Picc mi 1992 #N/A
Saaraba 1988 #N/A
Touki-Bouki [Journey of the Hyena] 1973 9
Twist à Popenguine 1994 21
Xala 1975 5


FESPACO Winners

Title [AKA] Year Country Poll Ranking
Aujourd'hui [Tey] 2012 17
Félicité 2017 14


The Host's Hot Take
We almost hit the target, so I'm content with that. Despite the small numbers, I still think our Top 20 is solid. That being said, we have one less voter than in the Philippines poll, but almost 100 fewer films were nominated, going to show the limited options and general consensus among the viewers. I'm pleased Moolaadé came out on top, both because it was my own number 1 pick and also because I feel it would have been sad if the first Senegalese feature film was the best ever - in the end it was really close, and Black Girl was leading for most of the time. Beyond the battle for the top two, it was fairly competitive for the top 15, after which there's a big drop in both number of ballots and points earned.Ousmane Sembene dominated, as expected, though I was predicting a different order for his films. Djibril Diop Mambéty finished a distant second, and most other directors had at least two films nominated. The women refuse to be ignored, with Mati Diop and Safi Faye making the Top list, and Dyana Gaye appearing in the runners-up. Saloum is perhaps the biggest takeaway for me, though: it's a film I hadn't even heard of when nominations opened, but a bunch of folks saw it and included it in their lists and it almost made the final Top list. If this, along with Atlantics, is an indication of where Senegalese film is headed after a few decades of relative silence (with plenty of financial and technical help from France), I'm excited to see what is to come.

Next up: Japan, then Canada

I had to import one film to icm, so it's now checkable: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/baaba+maal+yela/
This film was also nominated, but has 0 checks: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/un+amour+denfant/
And I discovered while watching Trésors des poubelles that it's not actually a film, but a collection of 5 shorts. So I imported those to icm (links in the comment): https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/tre ... poubelles/
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Cool results, thanks. Nothing surprising here of course - with such a small number of films and voters, there really wasn't room for surprises. I'm pleased too that Moolaadé won - while I really love all of Sembene's features, I think this film has more to say about the theme of the old vs new, the traditional vs the modern, than any of his other works, or indeed any other African film I've seen, and that is certainly one of the key themes at work in much of the continent's more serious work. While the small numbers skew enormously towards his filmography, I don't much mind that all 10 of his features, even the comparably neglected Faat Kiné, the closest he came to pure "light" comedy, made it to the list. I would hope all 10 might make a future iteration of this list - but that the whole list might be a bit larger and more diverse. The last film I saw before posting my list was Twist à Popenguine, and though it didn't quite make the cut, I was glad to see something more frothy and "entertaining" - so here's hoping that Senegalese cinema can prosper and put out an array of films with more diverse themes and moods in the future; the horrors of colonialism are important to deal with, still, but they aren't the only thing.

Only film I missed from the main list is Félicité, which showed up at my library yesterday; given how much I loved the director's previous Aujourd'hui I'm quite looking forward to it.

I think you now have a good idea of the minimum in terms of films and participation that can work, anyway.
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I'm a little disapointed that Tall a a Baobab Tree didn't make the main list but at least it made the master list of countries, hopefully this may pull in a few more watches in the future and see it move up some spots if their is a poll in the future.
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Over half of the best films from Senegal are from the one director?
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yllow wrote: October 5th, 2022, 1:58 am Over half of the best films from Senegal are from the one director?
You'd probably get more diverse answers if you asked Senegalese cinephiles, but because Sembène is the country's most prominent director, his films naturally get that much more exposure. Given that there are relatively few Senegalese films that make it out to Western cinephiles's earshot, I don't think it's that surprising.
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Teproc wrote: October 5th, 2022, 8:17 am
yllow wrote: October 5th, 2022, 1:58 am Over half of the best films from Senegal are from the one director?
You'd probably get more diverse answers if you asked Senegalese cinephiles, but because Sembène is the country's most prominent director, his films naturally get that much more exposure. Given that there are relatively few Senegalese films that make it out to Western cinephiles's earshot, I don't think it's that surprising.
Agreed. I think this is definitely a case where availability and name recognition had a huge impact on the results.
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Thank you Ferg! Seven more films I have yet to watch from the top 20, and many more that are on my radar now :thumbsup:
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Cheers for the results, Ferg!

I deliberately held off on watching any new-to-me Sembene films for this because I didn't want to add to the unipolar nature of the results. I love his films and am glad to see him so well represented.

I'm happy that my vote for 'Ndeysaan' helped it on to the Top list (it was a last-minute impulsive watch; I loved its mythic, tragic qualities). That and 'Kaddu Beykat' are probably the two less-seen films I'm most glad to see show up.

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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: October 5th, 2022, 1:15 pm Cheers for the results, Ferg!

I deliberately held off on watching any new-to-me Sembene films for this because I didn't want to add to the unipolar nature of the results. I love his films and am glad to see him so well represented.

I'm happy that my vote for 'Ndeysaan' helped it on to the Top list (it was a last-minute impulsive watch; I loved its mythic, tragic qualities). That and 'Kaddu Beykat' are probably the two less-seen films I'm most glad to see show up.

:cheers:
I also limited my new Sembene films to two features and one short, as I wanted to explore the other directors, but he was still a force to be reckoned with on my ballot. Ndeysaan was one of the last films I saw too, and I'm also glad it squeaked in. :cheers: I was looking forward to Kaddu Beykat since the subtitles became available, but I didn't end up enjoying it. I prefer her other film Mossane, which I honestly expected to be the film of hers to get more attention since it's been available for longer.
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Fergenaprido wrote: October 5th, 2022, 1:23 pm
RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: October 5th, 2022, 1:15 pm Cheers for the results, Ferg!

I deliberately held off on watching any new-to-me Sembene films for this because I didn't want to add to the unipolar nature of the results. I love his films and am glad to see him so well represented.

I'm happy that my vote for 'Ndeysaan' helped it on to the Top list (it was a last-minute impulsive watch; I loved its mythic, tragic qualities). That and 'Kaddu Beykat' are probably the two less-seen films I'm most glad to see show up.

:cheers:
I also limited my new Sembene films to two features and one short, as I wanted to explore the other directors, but he was still a force to be reckoned with on my ballot. Ndeysaan was one of the last films I saw too, and I'm also glad it squeaked in. :cheers: I was looking forward to Kaddu Beykat since the subtitles became available, but I didn't end up enjoying it. I prefer her other film Mossane, which I honestly expected to be the film of hers to get more attention since it's been available for longer.
I haven't seen 'Mossane', and don't know anything about it. Definitely interested in seeing more from Safi Faye!
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