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Country Poll: Philippines [Deadline: August 31, 2022]

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Country Poll: Philippines [Deadline: August 31, 2022]

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Overview of the Project
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August 2022: Philippines


Rules
* You may vote for a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 20 titles.
* Feature films, documentaries, shorts, made-for-tv movies, direct-to-video movies, TV mini-series, and TV episodes from anthology series are all eligible.
* One country per film - IMDB is used as a guideline, but Fergenaprido will be the final arbiter for uncertain cases.
* All ballots are considered ranked unless otherwise stated.
* You must include a list of bare imdb URLs along with your ballot (preferably within a spoiler tag), otherwise your ballot will be disqualified.

Scoring
For ranked ballots, the top-ranked title will receive the number of points equal to the number of titles on the ballot, with each successive title receiving one point less.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means #1 has 20 points, #2 has 19 points, and #20 has 1 point; a list with 5 titles means #1 has 5 points, #2 has 4 points, and #5 has 1 point.

For unranked ballots, each title will receive an equal share of the total points that would have been allotted it the ballot had been ranked.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means each title would receive 10.5 points; a list with 5 titles means each title would receive 3 points.

Resources:
Filipino (Pinoy) films sorted by number of votes*
Filipino films sorted by your rating on imdb*
Wikipedia article on Cinema of the Philippines
*due to imdb allowing films to be attributed to more than one country, many titles in this filter may be ineligible for this poll if the Philippines is not the primary country of production. Decisions about uncertain films will be listed in the second post of this thread.

Many thanks to Rufus-T & gromit82 for the framework from the Year by Year polls, and to maxwelldeux for the Excel template.

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Fully ranked lists of 20 titles unless otherwise indicated
Deadline: 11:59:59 p.m. August 31, 2022, UTC -10 (Hawaii Time)
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If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions (films listed in alphabetical order in each section).

Final Decisions
Batang West Side - Philippines/USA - Filipino film, eligible
Metro Manila (2013) - UK/Philippines - British film, not eligible


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eligibility question: TNT Jackson, The Big Doll House
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zomgmouse wrote: July 5th, 2022, 11:59 pm eligibility question: TNT Jackson, The Big Doll House
Is that one title or two? link, please.
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Fergenaprido wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:09 am
zomgmouse wrote: July 5th, 2022, 11:59 pm eligibility question: TNT Jackson, The Big Doll House
Is that one title or two? link, please.
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TNT Jackson https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072245/
The Big Doll House https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066830/
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zomgmouse wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:11 am
Fergenaprido wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:09 am
zomgmouse wrote: July 5th, 2022, 11:59 pm eligibility question: TNT Jackson, The Big Doll House
Is that one title or two? link, please.
Sorry:

TNT Jackson https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072245/
The Big Doll House https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066830/
Thanks. I never realized how many exploitation pics were made in the Philippines.

Both appear to be New World films pictures, which is the only credited film company, and it's American. But there is a lot of local talent involved, and some Filipino companies are listed as uncredited. It's another situation where I'm not overly familiar with the films, so additional information that others could link me to would be helpful.
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TraverseTown wrote: July 5th, 2022, 8:58 pm 3. The Muthers
4. Black Mama, White Mama
Same for these two. imdb lists Philippines first, but the only/main production company for each is American, so more info from some exploitation aficionados would be appreciated.
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Fergenaprido wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:33 am
zomgmouse wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:11 am
Fergenaprido wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:09 am

Is that one title or two? link, please.
Sorry:

TNT Jackson https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072245/
The Big Doll House https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066830/
Thanks. I never realized how many exploitation pics were made in the Philippines.

Both appear to be New World films pictures, which is the only credited film company, and it's American. But there is a lot of local talent involved, and some Filipino companies are listed as uncredited. It's another situation where I'm not overly familiar with the films, so additional information that others could link me to would be helpful.
if it helps, for TNT Jackson at least Wikipedia lists Premiere Productions, Inc. and HPS Films as production companies (which seem to have a lot of Filipino credits) and New World as the distributors - and the director is from the Philippines. Whereas The Big Bird House has an American director and New World produced and distributed
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Fergenaprido wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:36 am
TraverseTown wrote: July 5th, 2022, 8:58 pm 3. The Muthers
4. Black Mama, White Mama
Same for these two. imdb lists Philippines first, but the only/main production company for each is American, so more info from some exploitation aficionados would be appreciated.
Both directors are Filippino and never made films anywhere but the Philippines. For both films, the cinematographer, on-set producers, and editor, as well as almost the entire crew, were Filippino, so this is not an instance of a production company flying out from US/Hollywood to film on location. The only foreigners on set were the lead actors (worth nothing that the supporting cast of both films are also largely Filippino).

For Black Mama, White Mama, the production company was co-owned by an American and a Filippino, and only ever made films in the Philippines.
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1 . Imburnal (2008) - 4,5 - Sewer
2 . Florentina Hubaldo, CTE (2012) - 4,5
3 . Mula Sa Kung Ano ang Noon (2014) - 4,5 - From What Is Before
4 . How to Disappear Completely (2013) - 4
5 . Ang Babaeng Humayo (2016) - 4 - The Woman Who Left
6 . Norte, Hangganan ng Kasaysayan (2013) - 4 - Norte, the End of History
7 . Buenas Noches, España (2011) - 4
8 . Kun Maupay Man it Panahon (2021) - 4 - Whether the Weather Is Fine
9 . Ebolusyon ng Isang Pamilyang Pilipino (2004) - 4 - Evolution of a Filipino Family
10 . Melancholia (2008) - 4
11 . Autohystoria (2007) - 4
12 . Insiang (1976) - 4
13 . Mababangong Bangungot (1977) - 4 - Perfumed Nightmare
14 . Nervous Translation (2017) - 4
15 . Lahi, Hayop (2020) - 4 - Genus Pan
16 . Ruined Heart: Another Lovestory between a Criminal & a Whore (2014) - 4
17 . Captive (2012) - 4
18 . Kinatay (2009) - 3,5 - The Execution of P
19 . Lumaban ka, Satanas (1983) - 3,5 - The Killing of Satan
20 . Roco, ang Batang Bato (1982) - 3,5 - Boy God
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★★★★½ | 9.2
01. Serbis (Mendoza | 2008)

★★★★¼ | 8.8
02. Evolution of a Filipino Family (Diaz | 2004)
03. From What Is Before (Diaz | 2014)

★★★★ | 8.4
04. Slingshot (Mendoza | 2007)
05. Florentina Hubaldo, CTE (Diaz | 2012)
06. Insiang (Brocka | 1976)
07. Captive (Mendoza | 2011)
08. Manila in the Claws of Neon (Brocka | (1975)

★★★¾ | 8.0
09. Norte, the End of History (Diaz | 2013)

★★★½ | 7.6
10. The Masseur (Mendoza | 2005)
11. Heremias – Book One: The Legend of the Lizard Princess (Diaz | 2006)
12. Kinatay – The Execution of P. (Mendoza | 2009)
13. Ma’ Rosa (Mendoza | 2016)
14. Maynila (Martin/Alix jr. | 2009)
15. Death in the Land of Encantos (Diaz | 2007)
16. Century of Birthing (Diaz | 2011)
17. Lola (Mendoza | 2009)

★★★¼ | 7.2
18. Melancholia (Diaz | 2008)
19. The Woman Who Left (Diaz | 2016)
20. Perfumed Nightmare (Tahimik | 1977)
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joachimt wrote: July 8th, 2022, 3:24 pm 3. Metro Manila
This British film is not eligible, as mentioned above.
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Fergenaprido wrote: July 8th, 2022, 3:37 pm
joachimt wrote: July 8th, 2022, 3:24 pm 3. Metro Manila
This British film is not eligible, as mentioned above.
I updated my post. Title removed.
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Placeholder for now:

01. Maynila sa mga Kuko ng Liwanag (1975)
02. Ang Pagdadalaga ni Maximo Oliveros (2005)
03. Insiang (1976)
04. Puting Paalam (1997)
05. Imburnal (2008)
06. Jaguar (1979)
07. Tinimbang ka Ngunit Kulang (1974)
08. Anak Dalita (1956)
09. Biyaya ng Lupa (1959)
10. Lumaban ka, Satanas (1983)
11. Masahista (2005)
12. Prologo sa Ang Dakilang Desaparecido (2013)
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1. Maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag [1975, Manila in the Claws of Light]
2. Norte, hangganan ng kasaysayan [2013, Norte, the End of History]
3. Insiang [1976]
4. Mababangong Bangungot [1977, Perfumed Nightmare]
5. Batch '81 [1982]
6. Tinimbang ka ngunit kulang [1974, Weighed But Found Wanting]
7. Kinatay [2009, The Execution of P]
8. How to Disappear Completely [2013]
9. Ruined Heart: Another Lovestory Between a Criminal & a Whore [2014]
10. Lahi, Hayop [2020, Genus Pan]
11. Independencia [2009]
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I won't pretend to be a major fan of Philippine cinema, but I watched a few films for this poll and managed to concoct a decent top 5.
  1. Magnifico (2003)
  2. Maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag (1975)
  3. Insiang (1976)
  4. Lola (2009)
  5. Norte, Hangganan ng Kasaysayan (2013)
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After a few weeks of exploring Filipino cinema I can finally muster a meager list of five films. I may add to this before the month is up although my focus will now be shifting to Senegalese cinema to ensure I am capable of producing a list for the next poll in the series. I'm a little ashamed that my list only comprises of films by two directors but their bleak and depressing films strike a chord with me unlike any other Filipino cinema I have seen so far.

Thanks for inspiring me to explore areas of cinema I'm not overly familiar with Ferg, I'm enjoying expanding my horizons and I'm determined to submit a list for every country of your project, providing I can find enough films worthy of making a list.

1. Manila in the Claws of Light
2. Kinatay
3. Weighed But Found Wanting
4. Service
5. Insiang
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01. Norte, hangganan ng kasaysayan (2013)

02. Maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag (1975)
03. Kinatay (2009)
04. Tatlong taong walang Diyos (1976)
05. Mula sa kung ano ang noon (2014)
06. Mababangong Bangungot (1977)
07. Bayaning 3rd World (2000)
08. Ang babaeng humayo (2016)

09. Insiang (1976)
10. Itim (1976)
11. Tinimbang ka ngunit kulang (1974)
12. Oro, Plata, Mata (1982)
13. Independencia (2009)
14. Kagadanan sa banwaan ning mga engkanto (2007)
15. Cain at Abel (1982)
16. Kisapmata (1981)
17. Kakabakaba ka ba? (1980)
18. Ebolusyon ng isang pamilyang Pilipino (2004)
19. Babae sa breakwater (2003)
20. Todo todo teros (2006)

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filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 6:17 pm After a few weeks of exploring Filipino cinema I can finally muster a meager list of five films. I may add to this before the month is up although my focus will now be shifting to Senegalese cinema to ensure I am capable of producing a list for the next poll in the series. I'm a little ashamed that my list only comprises of films by two directors but their bleak and depressing films strike a chord with me unlike any other Filipino cinema I have seen so far.

Thanks for inspiring me to explore areas of cinema I'm not overly familiar with Ferg, I'm enjoying expanding my horizons and I'm determined to submit a list for every country of your project, providing I can find enough films worthy of making a list.
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Thanks for taking the time to participate! I must admit it's a nice feeling to log into icm and see films in my activity feed that others have watched because of this project. I noticed it with OldAle1 and Brazilian films last month.

Out of curiosity, how many Filipino films did you have to see to come up with that list of 5? I have a similar goal as you, but I want to be able to field a full ballot for each poll if possible. So far so good except for NZ, which was close but my computer problems prevented me from seeing more films before the deadline. For the Philippines & Senegal I'm only about 1/2 of the way there, so hopefully enough new watches will jive with me enough to complete my ballots.

Speaking of which, I'll add my own preliminary ballot now.

1. Ang pagdadalaga ni Maximo Oliveros [The Blossoming of Maximo Oliveros] (2005)
2. Insiang (1976)
3. Tinimbang ka ngunit kulang [Weighed But Found Wanting] (1974)
4. Maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag [Manila in the Claws of Light] (1975)
5. Bwakaw (2012)
6. Sibak [Midnight Dancers] (1994)
7. Oliver (1983)
8. Tatlong taóng walang Diyos [Three Godless Years / Three Years Without God] (1976)
9. Doors: Team B Terror (2018)
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15.
16.
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18.
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20.
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 6th, 2022, 6:58 pm
filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 6:17 pm After a few weeks of exploring Filipino cinema I can finally muster a meager list of five films. I may add to this before the month is up although my focus will now be shifting to Senegalese cinema to ensure I am capable of producing a list for the next poll in the series. I'm a little ashamed that my list only comprises of films by two directors but their bleak and depressing films strike a chord with me unlike any other Filipino cinema I have seen so far.

Thanks for inspiring me to explore areas of cinema I'm not overly familiar with Ferg, I'm enjoying expanding my horizons and I'm determined to submit a list for every country of your project, providing I can find enough films worthy of making a list.
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Thanks for taking the time to participate! I must admit it's a nice feeling to log into icm and see films in my activity feed that others have watched because of this project. I noticed it with OldAle1 and Brazilian films last month.

Out of curiosity, how many Filipino films did you have to see to come up with that list of 5? I have a similar goal as you, but I want to be able to field a full ballot for each poll if possible. So far so good except for NZ, which was close but my computer problems prevented me from seeing more films before the deadline. For the Philippines & Senegal I'm only about 1/2 of the way there, so hopefully enough new watches will jive with me enough to complete my ballots.
I had only seen one film worthy of making my list prior to my recent Filipino viewings and that was Kinatay. I've watched 10 films over the past month and have had a pretty good hit rate, as that enabled me to add a further four to the list. I've seen 18 features in total according to IMDB so there is a hell of a lot more to discover and I'm sure the results of this poll will be a great guide. I am very intrigued by the films of Lav Diaz, though my penchant for watching long films in a single sitting means I haven't found the time to embark on that journey just yet.

I was also hoping to field full ballots of 20 films but i think that was over ambitious considering my lack of cinematic knowledge for many countries! The poll results offer a nice incentive to follow up on films I should seek out next though, and reading through the comments it's clear that many others are taking a similar approach of watching films to expand their list prior to their poll submission :cheers:
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filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 7:17 pmI am very intrigued by the films of Lav Diaz, though my penchant for watching long films in a single sitting means I haven't found the time to embark on that journey just yet.
I've also held off on Diaz for the same reason, but there are two of his shorter films (among others) on Mubi clocking in at 1:10 and 1:20. They seem like "lesser works" of his, but at least it's a place to start.
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 6th, 2022, 7:32 pm
filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 7:17 pmI am very intrigued by the films of Lav Diaz, though my penchant for watching long films in a single sitting means I haven't found the time to embark on that journey just yet.
I've also held off on Diaz for the same reason, but there are two of his shorter films (among others) on Mubi clocking in at 1:10 and 1:20. They seem like "lesser works" of his, but at least it's a place to start.
Thanks for the tip, I'll see if can squeeze one of them in before the deadline
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I obviously missed the discussions about it (so it's not fair for me to complain, gulp) but I am little miffed about the Philippines being the first Southeast Asian country to be polled. Thailand has a very rich and diverse cinematic history and I could easily throw together a top 20 for Thailand while still leaving some good stuff off. I'd probably also have enough to put together a decent Indonesian list. The Philippines though? Clearly, I have been watching the wrong films, because even though I have seen more than 20 movies from the SEA nation, less than half of the film struck me as good enough to include in a forum poll. In fact, I don't know if I would even call any of these great films, though these are certainly some good/decent/notable films that I have seen from the Philippines. Only saw my #3 tonight and I don't think I'll see anything else before the month ends (I am not planning on it) but I'll update my list if I do.

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2. Birdshot (2016)
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4. The Girl and the Gun (2019)
5. Summer Rains (1975)
6. Perfumed Nightmare (1977)
7. For Y'ur Height Only (1981)
8. The Impossible Kid (1982)
9. Dead Kids (2019)
10. Itim (1976)
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12. The Killing of Satan (1983)
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sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 1:02 pm I obviously missed the discussions about it (so it's not fair for me to complain, gulp) but I am little miffed about the Philippines being the first Southeast Asian country to be polled. Thailand has a very rich and diverse cinematic history and I could easily throw together a top 20 for Thailand while still leaving some good stuff off. I'd probably also have enough to put together a decent Indonesian list. The Philippines though? Clearly, I have been watching the wrong films, because even though I have seen more than 20 movies from the SEA nation, less than half of the film struck me as good enough to include in a forum poll. In fact, I don't know if I would even call any of these great films, though these are certainly some good/decent/notable films that I have seen from the Philippines.
Yeah, about six months late. :P

Not sure if you were aware of that thread, but my main reasoning for Philippines being the first SEA country was "since we have a SEA challenge happening right now, and it's the only SEA country with it's own official list so it's probably the SEA country that people would be most prepared to do."

I'm the opposite as you, in that I've seen more Indonesian films than any other SEA country, but would struggle to put together a list - I'd consider only 10 of the 27 features I've seen, plus a few shorts, and even then only 3 to 5 of them would be truly great (also, Indonesia will probably be combined with Malaysia and Singapore for this poll, due to similarities in language and culture and to produce a more robust list). Thailand would fare better with me, and I considered that instead of Philippines, but it wasn't suggested when asked, and the official Pinoy list tipped the balance in its favour this time. You can't win them all sol! :D
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And I, on the other hand, have seen over 80 films from the Philippines, but only 15-25 each from Thailand and Indonesia (depending of course on what counts), so this was a perfect first poll from the region for me. And my average is quite high, so I could easily do a top 40, maybe a top 50; my Thailand batting average is pretty good also, my Indonesia a bit less. On the other hand I had to put in a lot of viewing to do Brazil, and I skipped Ireland altogether because I had only about 10 eligible films seen before the poll started and just didn't feel like making the effort. So I guess we're all in different places due to our own preferences or just sheer chance, no surprise there.
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 1:35 pm Thailand would fare better with me, and I considered that instead of Philippines, but it wasn't suggested when asked, and the official Pinoy list tipped the balance in its favour this time.
Yeah, no problem, though that's a shame because Thailand is one of the largest film-producing countries to not have its own iCM list (maybe even the largest of the non-English speaking world) but I guess if there are no great lists out there for Thailand, there is not much that can be done about it.
Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 1:35 pmI've seen more Indonesian films than any other SEA country, but would struggle to put together a list - I'd consider only 10 of the 27 features I've seen, plus a few shorts, and even then only 3 to 5 of them would be truly great (also, Indonesia will probably be combined with Malaysia and Singapore for this poll, due to similarities in language and culture and to produce a more robust list).
A lot of the Indo films that I would include would be action and horror, and I know you aren't big on those two genres, so it probably makes sense that Indo cinema would be more up my alleyway than yours. ;)

Interesting analysis. So at this stage are you planning to break up SEA as:
1. Philippines
2. Thailand
3. Indonesia / Malaysia / Singapore / Brunei / Timor-Leste
4. Vietnam / Cambodia / Laos / Myanmar
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I guess that makes some sense. Indonesia, Singapore and Vietnam would possibly be big enough to get their own lists, but I can't imagine a poll for just Malaysia/Brunei/Timor-Leste doing well, nor can I imagine the forum producing a Cambodia/Laos/Myanmar Top 20 without Vietnam in the mix.
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sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 2:58 pm

A lot of the Indo films that I would include would be action and horror, and I know you aren't big on those two genres, so it probably makes sense that Indo cinema would be more up my alleyway than yours. ;)
That's not really true - certainly not about action, I love action! But to be fair, there are few action films that I rate really highly, and the same is true to a lesser extent for horror. I guess I've never been primarily a genre guy, and the genres that do tend to appear on my favorites lists more often are noir, musicals, and westerns - none of which you find all that much in SE Asian cinema. The Raid 2 is in fact quite easily my favorite Indonesian film so far but as I said, I haven't seen that much, and I wouldn't want to make a list just now. The Philippines has been a go-to cinematic destination for me for almost a decade in large part because of it's arthouse/experimental/drama stuff, and I think if one is not that into the major names there, it's not going to be as interesting. They do produce lots of horror but it seems on the whole less well-regarded than many of their neighbor nations' outputs, their action output is small, and the major, major genre popular there - romantic comedy - simply isn't popular with most of this forum or really most westerners anymore, it seems. In retrospect I'm drawn to the country for much the same reason I'm drawn to Iran - a rather unique "serious" cinema that deals in a particular way with national history and culture that just fascinates me. And I haven't found any particular cultural key in Indonesian or Thai cinema that's pulled me in in anything like the same way yet - though I do like the action films, and I really like what I've seen of Weerasethakul and Ratanaruang.

Oh and I think your listing makes sense, sol, though I think perhaps another route would be to give Indonesia it's own slot, and put all the rest of the countries, including Vietnam, together. So still four total polls. But maybe there really wouldn't be enough interest/turnout/films for Indonesia on it's own, I dunno - I haven't really delved so much into finding things or making a want-list there yet myself.
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OldAle1 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:26 pm
sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 2:58 pm A lot of the Indo films that I would include would be action and horror, and I know you aren't big on those two genres, so it probably makes sense that Indo cinema would be more up my alleyway than yours. ;)
That's not really true - certainly not about action, I love action!
I was actually talking to Ferg, not you. :D I know you love a good action film.
OldAle1 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:26 pm Oh and I think your listing makes sense, sol, though I think perhaps another route would be to give Indonesia it's own slot, and put all the rest of the countries, including Vietnam, together. So still four total polls. But maybe there really wouldn't be enough interest/turnout/films for Indonesia on it's own, I dunno - I haven't really delved so much into finding things or making a want-list there yet myself.
Yeah, I think that's makes sense too - the three biggest film producing SEA nations, then SEA excluding the Big Three, however, if Ferg wants to group countries together for geographical or cultural similarities, keeping Indonesia with Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei might make more sense.
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sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:35 pm
OldAle1 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:26 pm
sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 2:58 pm A lot of the Indo films that I would include would be action and horror, and I know you aren't big on those two genres, so it probably makes sense that Indo cinema would be more up my alleyway than yours. ;)
That's not really true - certainly not about action, I love action!
I was actually talking to Ferg, not you. :D I know you love a good action film.
OldAle1 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:26 pm Oh and I think your listing makes sense, sol, though I think perhaps another route would be to give Indonesia it's own slot, and put all the rest of the countries, including Vietnam, together. So still four total polls. But maybe there really wouldn't be enough interest/turnout/films for Indonesia on it's own, I dunno - I haven't really delved so much into finding things or making a want-list there yet myself.
Yeah, I think that's makes sense too - the three biggest film producing SEA nations, then SEA excluding the Big Three, however, if Ferg wants to group countries together for geographical or cultural similarities, keeping Indonesia with Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei might make more sense.
I think it would also make sense to look at how many crossover productions there are - if there are a lot of Malaysia-Indonesia co-productions for example, then having them in the same poll makes even more sense.
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sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 2:58 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 1:35 pm Thailand would fare better with me, and I considered that instead of Philippines, but it wasn't suggested when asked, and the official Pinoy list tipped the balance in its favour this time.
Yeah, no problem, though that's a shame because Thailand is one of the largest film-producing countries to not have its own iCM list (maybe even the largest of the non-English speaking world) but I guess if there are no great lists out there for Thailand, there is not much that can be done about it.
Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 1:35 pmI've seen more Indonesian films than any other SEA country, but would struggle to put together a list - I'd consider only 10 of the 27 features I've seen, plus a few shorts, and even then only 3 to 5 of them would be truly great (also, Indonesia will probably be combined with Malaysia and Singapore for this poll, due to similarities in language and culture and to produce a more robust list).
A lot of the Indo films that I would include would be action and horror, and I know you aren't big on those two genres, so it probably makes sense that Indo cinema would be more up my alleyway than yours. ;)

Interesting analysis. So at this stage are you planning to break up SEA as:
1. Philippines
2. Thailand
3. Indonesia / Malaysia / Singapore / Brunei / Timor-Leste
4. Vietnam / Cambodia / Laos / Myanmar
?

I guess that makes some sense. Indonesia, Singapore and Vietnam would possibly be big enough to get their own lists, but I can't imagine a poll for just Malaysia/Brunei/Timor-Leste doing well, nor can I imagine the forum producing a Cambodia/Laos/Myanmar Top 20 without Vietnam in the mix.
Yeah, Thailand is definitely a country where a list would have a good chance of getting adopted, but no suitable list has yet been found.
There's this comprehensive list from a book, but it's too long to be a realistic choice. I suppose we could also consider their National Film Award, but I don't know if that would get much support.

Thailand definitely could stand on it's own, but I might combine it with the rest of mainland SEA, to provide more balance as a list of the other four would be dominated by Vietnam, and even then I don't know if there's enough forum interest in those countries to stand alone. Output-wise, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Indonesia could all have their own lists, but it's the forum interest that's holding things back - if you remember, there wasn't much participation in our SEA poll a few years back (I think it was our lowest for all country/region polls) and we were only able to muster up a Top 50, which is our shortest Poll result by far. By my count, that Top 50 has 17 Thai films, 12 Filipino, 7 Vietnamese (including North Vietnam), 4 Indonesian, 2 Singaporean, 2 Cambodian, 1 Malaysian, and 5 films I would consider from other countries.

And most of the Indo films I've seen are either historical dramas or campy 80s fantasy horror, which are kinda fun to watch but not very good. Mubi had a great collection of them when I was living in Malaysia, so I filled up on Sisworo Gautama Putra films (starring Suzzanna!).
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:54 pmThailand definitely could stand on it's own, but I might combine it with the rest of mainland SEA, to provide more balance as a list of the other four would be dominated by Vietnam
I suppose the way that I'm looking at it is that we if did a combined mainland SEA poll, I would probably end up only including films from Thailand (well, maybe three or four Vietnamese ones too) because Thailand's filmic output is so strong, which would be a shame because I have seen and liked some Burmese and Cambodian stuff too, but not to the degree of the best stuff that I have seen from Vietnam and Thailand. Also, as pointed out, our SEA top films list had more Thai than Filipino entries.

Ultimately though it's your poll series and you're the one running it, so please just ignore me and my off-topic derailing of this thread. :turned:

(For the record though, I would support the Thai National Film Award being adopted)
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sol wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 3:54 pmThailand definitely could stand on it's own, but I might combine it with the rest of mainland SEA, to provide more balance as a list of the other four would be dominated by Vietnam
I suppose the way that I'm looking at it is that we if did a combined mainland SEA poll, I would probably end up only including films from Thailand (well, maybe three or four Vietnamese ones too) because Thailand's filmic output is so strong, which would be a shame because I have seen and liked some Burmese and Cambodian stuff too, but not to the degree of the best stuff that I have seen from Vietnam and Thailand. Also, as pointed out, our SEA top films list had more Thai than Filipino entries.

Ultimately though it's your poll series and you're the one running it, so please just ignore me and my off-topic derailing of this thread. :turned:

(For the record though, I would support the Thai National Film Award being adopted)
No worries sol. If you do want to add to the discussion about which countries to do solo and which to combine, please head over to the main summary thread and add your thoughts there. I also added "Country Polls" to the title of that thread so it shows up better in searches (even I couldn't find it sometimes :facepalm: ).
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I'm also working on a full ballot! Will post my preliminary top 10 for now so we can "copy each other's homework" in case we struggle coming up with our lists/finding more recs.

1. Cleaners (2019)
2. Barber's Tales / Mga kuwentong barbero (2013)
3. Manila in the Claws of Light / Maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag (1975)
4. Batch '81 (1982)
5. Señorita (2011)
6. Perfumed Nightmare / Mababangong Bangungot (1977)
7. Turumba (1981)
8. Insiang (1976)
9. Ode to Nothing / Oda sa wala (2018)
10. The Woman Who Left / Ang babaeng humayo (2016)

Watchlist: Kalel, 15, Oro, plata, mata, Blessings of the land, Pagasa, Child of Sorrow/Anak Dalita, Huk sa bagong pamumuhay, Mutya Nga Pasig, Badjao, Bayan ko, Cain at Abel, Misteryo sa Tuwa, Nunal sa tubing/A Speck in the Water, Bulaklak sa city jail, Why is Yellow the Middle of the Rainbow?, Who Invented the Yo-Yo? Who Invented the Moon Buggy?
Also would love to watch Marilou Diaz-Abaya films but I've had no luck finding them...
Will probably pass on more Lav Diaz this time, with this and the 1971 poll there's enough on my plate :sweat: Pretty sure that several of his films will make it to the top though!
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zomgmouse wrote: July 6th, 2022, 12:11 am TNT Jackson https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072245/
The Big Doll House https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066830/
Apologies for the hassling - just wondering if any decisions have been made re these? Hoping to figure out whether to watch either of these before the end of the month.
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Unranked ballot:
Anak dalita (1956)
Badjao (1957)
Biyaya ng lupa (1959)
Tinimbang ka ngunit kulang (1974)
Maynila sa mga kuko ng liwanag (1975)
Ganito kami noon... Paano kayo ngayon? (1976)
Tatlong taong walang Diyos (1976)
Insiang (1976)
Kung mangarap ka't magising (1977)
Jaguar (1979)
City After Dark (1980)
Relasyon (1982)
Oro, Plata, Mata (1982)
Karnal (1983)
Scorpio Nights (1985)
Silip (1985)
Orapronobis (1989)
Babae sa breakwater (2003)
Magnifico (2003)
Lola (2009)
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Angel Glez wrote: Yesterday, 9:13 am Anak dalita (1956)
Badjao (1957)
Biyaya ng lupa (1959)
Tatlong taong walang Diyos (1976)
Really nice ballot of 20 there, Angel. I'm especially looking forward to watching these four over the next week or so. Mario O'Hara looks up my street and the three from the '50s promise the pleasures of an earlier decade.

I saw 'Kung mangarap ka't magising' (1977) a couple of days ago and thought it was a really lovely romance. Colourful, musical, contemplative, and with an engaging chemistry between the leads. I'm glad to see it in your ballot. It should end up high in my list.

Looking forward to fleshing out my Pinoy viewing over the next while!
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