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Country Poll: New Zealand [CLOSED]

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Country Poll: New Zealand [CLOSED]

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Overview of the Project
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June 2022: New Zealand
(excluding Tokelau, Niue, and the Cook Islands)


Rules
* You may vote for a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 20 titles.
* Feature films, documentaries, shorts, made-for-tv movies, direct-to-video movies, TV mini-series, and TV episodes from anthology series are all eligible.
* One country per film - IMDB is used as a guideline, but Fergenaprido will be the final arbiter for uncertain cases.
* All ballots are considered ranked unless otherwise stated.
* You must include a list of bare imdb URLs along with your ballot (preferably within a spoiler tag), otherwise your ballot will be disqualified.

Scoring
For ranked ballots, the top-ranked title will receive the number of points equal to the number of titles on the ballot, with each successive title receiving one point less.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means #1 has 20 points, #2 has 19 points, and #20 has 1 point; a list with 5 titles means #1 has 5 points, #2 has 4 points, and #5 has 1 point.

For unranked ballots, each title will receive an equal share of the total points that would have been allotted it the ballot had been ranked.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means each title would receive 10.5 points; a list with 5 titles means each title would receive 3 points.

Resources:
New Zealander ('Kiwi') films sorted by number of votes*
New Zealander films sorted by your rating on imdb*
Wikipedia article on Cinema of New Zealand
*due to imdb allowing films to be attributed to more than one country, many titles in this filter may be ineligible for this poll if New Zealand is not the primary country of production. Decisions about uncertain films will be listed in the second post of this thread.

Many thanks to Rufus-T & gromit82 for the framework from the Year by Year polls, and to maxwelldeux for the Excel template.

27 Participants:
Fully ranked lists of 20 titles unless otherwise indicated
zzzorf (17 titles)
3eyes (10 titles)
Onderhond (5 titles)
mightysparks (7 titles)
Mysterious Dude (10 titles)
TraverseTown (5 titles)
gunnar (11 titles)
filmbantha (10 titles)
Caracortada (8 titles)
sol
Angel Glez (10 titles) (unranked)
Mario Gaborović (19 titles)
gromit82 (10 titles)
peeptoad (9 titles)
zomgmouse (10 titles)
Gordon_Gekko (10 titles) (1 ineligible)
Lonewolf2003 (5 titles) (unranked)
Rufus-T (8 titles)
Leopardi
cayado-coro (8 titles) (unranked)
OldAle1 (12 titles)
magnusbernhardsen (10 titles) (1 ineligible)
RogerTheMovieManiac88
ororama
Fergenaprido (15 titles)
Melvelet (5 titles)
TalkingElvish (10 titles)
Deadline: 11:59:59 p.m. June 30, 2022, UTC -10 (Hawaii Time)
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If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions (films listed in alphabetical order in each section).

Final Decisions
An Angel at My Table (1990) - New Zealand/Australia - New Zealander film, eligible
The Bounty (1984) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
Camino Skies (2019) - Australia/New Zealand - Australian film, not eligible
District 9 (2009) - South Africa/New Zealand- South African film, not eligible
The Hobbit trilogy (2011-2013) - USA/New Zealand - American films, not eligible
Jojo Rabbit (2019) - New Zealand/USA - New Zealander film, eligible
King Kong (2005) - USA/New Zealand - American film, not eligible
The Light Between Oceans (2016) - USA/UK/Australia/NZ - American film, not eligible
The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001-2003) - USA/New Zealand - American films, not eligible
The Lovely Bones (2009) - NZ/USA/UK - New Zealander film, eligible
The Luminaries (2020) - UK/New Zealand - New Zealander film, eligible
Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence (1983) - Japan-UK-New Zealand - Japanese film, not eligible
The Navigator: A Medieval Odyssey (1988) - New Zealand/Australia - New Zealander film, eligible
Next of Kin (1982) - Australia/New Zealand - Australian film, not eligible
O le tulafale [The Orator] - New Zealand/Samoa - New Zealander film, eligible
The Piano (1993) - Australia/France/New Zealand - Australian film, not eligible
The Power of the Dog (2021) - UK/New Zealand/Canada/Australia/USA - New Zealander film, eligible
Slow West (2015) - UK/New Zealand - British film, not eligible
The Stolen (2017) - UK/New Zealand - British film, not eligible
Strange Behavior (1981) - UK - British film, not eligible
Turbo Kid (2015) - Canada/New Zealand/USA - Canadian film, not eligible
West of Memphis (2012) - USA/New Zealand - American film, not eligible

Ongoing Discussions
Guns Akimbo - UK/USA/New Zealand/Germany - ruling deferred since it won't make the final list, nominally eligible this time.
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Before I post a list, could I get eligibility rulings on the following titles?

Jojo Rabbit (Taika Waititi, 2019): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2584384/
District 9 (Neill Blomkamp, 2009): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/
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The Lord of the Rings not be allowed still hurts but here is my list taken from my full list of 25. https://letterboxd.com/zzzorf/list/kiwi-movies-ranked/

1. Vai (2019)
2. Flootrot Flats: The Dog's Tale (1986)
3. Hunt for the Wilderpeople (2016)
4. Shadow in the Cloud (2020)
5. The Quiet Earth (1985)
6. The Orator (2011)
7. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
8. Once Were Warriors (1994)
9. Housebound (2014)
10. What We Do in the Shadows (2014)
11. Braindead (1992)
12. Kiwi Christmas (2017)
13. Shackleton's Captain (2012)
14. Killer Sofa (2019)
15. What Becomes of the Broken Hearted? (1999)
16. Ozzie (2006)
17. The Silent One (1984)
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Is New Zeealand like New Zealand but more Dutch?

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ranked

1. Field punishment No. 1 - 2014
2. Heavenly creatures - 1994
3. An angel at my table -1990
4. Hunt for the Wilderpeople - 2016
5. The navigator: a medieval odyssey -1988

6. Whale rider -2003
7. Forgotten silver - 1995
8. The dark horse - 2014
9. The quiet earth -1985
10. Boy -2010
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01. Braindead
02. Guns Akimbo
03. Eagle vs Shark
04. Antarctica: A Year on Ice
05. Bad Taste

I'd rather not include the last one, but since there's a 5-film minimum I'm going to anyway :) The other four are all certified personal favorites.
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1. Braindead (1992)
2. What We Do in the Shadows (2014)
3. Hunt for the Wilderpeople (2016)
4. The Devil's Rock (2011)
5. Black Sheep (2006)
6. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
7. Escargore (2016)
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 5th, 2022, 11:49 pm

Ongoing Discussions
The Power of the Dog (2021) - UK/New Zealand/Canada/Australia/USA - I'm leaning toward the UK on this one, but it's still uncertain to me whether this is more British, American, or Kiwi.
In addition to PotD, can I get rulings on these? I suspect most would be ineligible, but just want to check...

The World's Fastest Indian (2005)
Slow West (2015)
Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence (1983)
Strange Behavior (1981)

thanks!
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IMDb has the following shows listed as tv series, but each lasted 13 episodes in a single season (by design I think). Can I include them on the list as mini-series?

Maddigan’s Quest (2006) - 13 episodes

Children of Fire Mountain (1979) - 13 episodes

Kaitangata Twitch (2010) - 13 episodes
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Teproc wrote: June 6th, 2022, 9:15 am Is New Zeealand like New Zealand but more Dutch?

(sorry)
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re The Power of the Dog - I was thinking UK myself but in the end credits it is listed as a NZ/Australian production (filmed in NZ) so that could count towards something
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1. What We Do in the Shadows (2014)
2. An Angel at My Table (1990)
3. Utu (1983)
4. The Navigator: A Medieval Odyssey (1988)
5. Out of the Blue (2006)
6. Boy (2010)
7. Hunt for the Wilderpeople (2016)
8. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
9. Once Were Warriors (1994)
10. River Queen (2005)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3416742/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099040/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086497/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095709/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0839938/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1560139/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4698684/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110005/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110729/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388377/
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This one i won't be able to participate in. Can't make a decent top 5 list, i'm even doubtful i've even seen 5 kiwi films. What We Do In The Shadows would be my number one tho.
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1. Baelin's Route: An Epic NPC Man Adventure (2021)
2. Jojo Rabbit (2019)
3. Maddigan’s Quest (2006)
4. Children of Fire Mountain (1979)
5. Kaitangata Twitch (2010)
6. Whale Rider (2002)
7. The Quiet Earth (1985)
8. Children of the Dog Star (1984)
9. Under the Mountain (1981)
10. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
11. Two Cars, One Night (2003)

If any are ruled ineligible, please move the rest up.
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Here is my ranked list, I am uncertain of the eligibility for a few of these and if anything needs to be removed then the rest can be moved up a place:

1. Bad Taste
2. What We Do In The Shadows
3. The World's Fastest Indian
4. Heavenly Creatures
5. Once Were Warriors
6. Boy
7. The Frighteners
8. Deathgasm
9. Housebound
10. Braindead
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Edited to remove ineligible titles!
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  1. An Angel at My Table (1990)
  2. The Lovely Bones (2009)
  3. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
  4. Once Were Warriors (1994)
  5. The Luminaries (2020)
  6. The Changeover (2017)
  7. Jojo Rabbit (2019)
  8. Whale Rider (2002)
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What is your take on the eligibility of this one?:

The Bounty (1984): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086993/
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Rufus-T wrote: June 15th, 2022, 2:35 pm What is your take on the eligibility of this one?:

The Bounty (1984): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086993/
I'm interested in that one as well - it happened to be on TCM last night so I watched it, it had been on my list for years. Solid film, especially Anthony Hopkins as Bligh; interesting, if not always appropriate to my ears score by Vaneglis. Anyway I've looked into it a bit and it seems almost entirely a British production but obviously Ferg's call. It'll likely be on my list if it is eligible though.

I also watched White Lies (2013), a film from the Mexican director Dana Rotberg, who is becoming a real favorite for me. I've had no luck in promoting her here or, in the beforetimes, on IMDb, but what the hell, why not give it another shot? This is a powerful feminist drama dealing with colonialism, racism, abortion - loads of hot-topic issues - set about 100 years ago, and mostly in Maori. It's a bit blunt in it's approach at times, and the central "revelation" in the film will be obvious to many and seems like it should have been more obvious to the protagonist, but the performances, music, photography (really lush 2.35 color) and Rotberg's always impressive use of sound made it a pretty powerful experience for me. And it's on Prime for American residents at least. It'll be top 5 on the short list that I'll likely make, unless the 2-3 other films I want to watch in the next few days are even better.
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Onderhond wrote: June 6th, 2022, 10:57 am 01. Braindead
02. Guns Akimbo
03. Eagle vs Shark
04. Antarctica: A Year on Ice
05. Bad Taste

I'd rather not include the last one, but since there's a 5-film minimum I'm going to anyway :) The other four are all certified personal favorites.
Didn't you give "Meet the Feebles" 4 stars too?
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Cinepolis wrote: June 23rd, 2022, 6:04 pm Didn't you give "Meet the Feebles" 4 stars too?
I did, it's so far down my toplist (currently still not included in the actual list) that I prefer a rewatch first before just blindly including it. Most of the films I'm rewatching at this point don't keep their rating anymore.

In fact, that's what happened to Bad Taste just a couple of weeks ago.
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How would you feel about reducing the minimum points to make the final list from 25 to 21 for smaller film producing countries, Ferg? 21 points still means that a film needs to appear on at least two ballots including a high ranking on at least one, and it would allow more films to enter the final list when the majority of participants are submitting very short lists. It would seem regrettable for my #1 and #3 picks to miss out on the final list when for both them there is another participant who loves them but has simply seen less NZ films to be able to give them the same points as they would have in a longer list.

1. Tickled (2016)
2. Crush (1992)
3. Forgotten Silver (1995)
4. The Quiet Earth (1985)
5. Deathgasm (2015)
6. Smash Palace (1981)
7. Eagle vs Shark (2007)
8. Meet the Feebles (1989)
9. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
10. Once Were Warriors (1994)
11. The World's Fastest Indian (2005)
12. Heart of the Stag (1984)
13. Black Sheep (2006)
14. Blue Moon (2018)
15. Utu (1983)
16. Scarfies (1999)
17. Elementa (2020)
18. Queen City Rocker (1986)
19. Beyond Reasonable Doubt (1980)
20. The Frighteners (1996)

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sol wrote: June 25th, 2022, 1:15 am How would you feel about reducing the minimum points to make the final list from 25 to 21 for smaller film producing countries, Ferg? 21 points still means that a film needs to appear on at least two ballots including a high ranking on at least one, and it would allow more films to enter the final list when the majority of participants are submitting very short lists. It would seem regrettable for my #1 and #3 picks to miss out on the final list when for both them there is another participant who loves them but has simply seen less NZ films to be able to give them the same points as they would have in a longer list.
I had thought about that, but I decided I wanted the cutoff to be consistent for all country polls for this project. To me, the size of the list is also a factor of how robust the film output is, so a longer list implies more great films to see, whereas a shorter list implies fewer films and/or a stronger consensus on what should be seen. I post the runners-up so that little-seen films rated highly by one or two people still get some exposure, but don't include them on the final icm list. If less than 20 titles make the 25-point cutoff, though, I'll likely still include the full Top 20 in the Global list of top 20s - I'm hoping we never encounter that scenario, however.

Your #3 will make my ballot, so has a good chance of making the final list.

Also, I just regained access to my imdb account (I'd changed my password right before my laptop crashed, and didn't have access to the place I'd written it down), so I can comb through the ballots and post decisions next week after Pride weekend is over. I might not post the results until I get me new laptop next month, though, because I don't want to make any mistakes while I don't have full access to my spreadsheets and formulas.
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01. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
02. Once Were Warriors (1994)
03. The World’s Fastest Indian (2005)
04. Bad Taste (1987)
05. Eagle vs. Shark (2007)
06. Kim Dotcom: Caught in the Web (2017)
07. Tickled (2016)
08. Niue: This Is Your Land (2003)
09. Utu (1983)
10. Black Sheep (2006)
11. An Angel at My Table (1990)
12. Smash Palace (1981)
13. Antarctica: A Year on Ice (2013)
14. Housebound (2014)
15. Vigil (1984)
16. Kitchen Sink (1989)
17. Broken English (1996)
18. Goodbye Pork Pie (1980)
19. Forgotten Silver (1995)
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zzzorf wrote: June 6th, 2022, 9:13 am
6. The Orator (2011)
9. West of Memphis (2012)
10. Camino Skies (2019)
I have The Orator as a Samoan film, but you're right in that it seems to have been primarily funded by NZ companies, and while it was touted as the first Samoan feature film, with most of the cast and crew being Samoan, filmed in Samoa and in the Samoan language, a good chunk of those people are Samoan New Zealanders. It did get some funding from the Samoan government, however. So I'm torn on whether this should be included or not.

West of Memphis looks like an American documentary that received some funding from Peter Jackson's NZ company, so I'm going to say it is ineligible for this poll.

Camino Skies is about Australians & New Zealanders, but from what I can find all of the creative team and companies seem to be Australian, so it is also ineligible.
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Onderhond wrote: June 6th, 2022, 10:57 am 01. Braindead
02. Guns Akimbo
03. Eagle vs Shark
04. Antarctica: A Year on Ice
05. Bad Taste

I'd rather not include the last one, but since there's a 5-film minimum I'm going to anyway :) The other four are all certified personal favorites.
Please remember to add links.

I'm unsure about Guns Akimbo, though I see it on a few ballots here.
I have it as a UK film, but digging deeper it might be American, though other places call it German-New Zealander.
1 Altitude Film Entertainment [gb]
2 Four Knights Film [nz]
3 Hyperion Media Group [us]
4 Ingenious Media [gb]
(presents)
5 Maze Pictures [de]
6 Occupant Entertainment [us]
7 Pump Metal Films [gb]
8 The Electric Shadow Company [gb]
9 Particular Crowd [us]
(in association with)

Following the trade papers reporting on the production over time, the companies involved kept changing. It started out with Altitude, Occupant, and Hyperion, and by the time it premiered at TIFF, it looked like this (according to Variety's review):
Production: (Germany-New Zealand) An Occupant Entertainment presentation of an Occupant Entertainment production, in co-production with Four Knights Film, Maze Pictures, Media, WS Filmproduktion, Park Road Post, Ingenious, Electric Shadow, Cutting Edge, DFFF, FFF, in association with Hyperion Media. (Int'l sales: Altitude Film Sales, London.)

The directors is New Zealander, and it was filmed in NZ and Germany, but the driving production seems to be Occupant, which is American. The setting is fictional, but vaguely American as well.

Anyone have any other info to help sort this one out?
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Well, if it helps, Weaving, Bordizzo & Rhys Darby are from Australian/New Zealand as well.
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peeptoad wrote: June 6th, 2022, 12:04 pm can I get rulings on these? I suspect most would be ineligible, but just want to check...

thanks!
The World's Fastest Indian (2005) - NZ film, eligible
Slow West (2015) - British-NZ production, not eligible
Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence (1983) - Japanese-British-NZ production, not eligible
Strange Behavior (1981) - British production filmed in NZ but set in the US. There's not much info but I found some old newspaper clippings that confirmed it was a British production (despite having American director & screenwriter),which is missing from imdb. So not eligible.
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gunnar wrote: June 6th, 2022, 1:12 pm IMDb has the following shows listed as tv series, but each lasted 13 episodes in a single season (by design I think). Can I include them on the list as mini-series?

Maddigan’s Quest (2006) - 13 episodes

Children of Fire Mountain (1979) - 13 episodes

Kaitangata Twitch (2010) - 13 episodes
The second one is listed as a mini-series on wikipedia too. They all do seem to be single seasons by intention, so sure, you can include them.
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zomgmouse wrote: June 7th, 2022, 5:30 am re The Power of the Dog - I was thinking UK myself but in the end credits it is listed as a NZ/Australian production (filmed in NZ) so that could count towards something
Oh, I didn't know that. Maybe I should finally sit down and watch it this week and get all the info; it's still on Netflix here.
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filmbantha wrote: June 11th, 2022, 1:05 pm Here is my ranked list, I am uncertain of the eligibility for a few of these and if anything needs to be removed then the rest can be moved up a place:

6. Slow West *
7. Next of Kin *
9. Turbo Kid *
10. The Frighteners *
14. Strange Behaviour *
Slow West & Strange Behavior are British, not eligible.
Turbo Kid is Canadian, not eligible
Next of Kin is Australian, not eligible

The Frighteners is eligible.
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Caracortada wrote: June 13th, 2022, 9:11 pm
  1. An Angel at My Table (1990)
  2. The Lovely Bones (2009)
  3. Heavenly Creatures (1994)
  4. The Light Between Oceans (2016)
  5. Once Were Warriors (1994)
  6. The Stolen (II) (2017)
  7. The Luminaries (2020)
  8. The Changeover (2017)
  9. Jojo Rabbit (2019)
  10. Whale Rider (2002)
I'd thought The Lovely Bones was American, but further research reveals it was indeed a NZ production primarily, initiated by Jackson's company after other attempts to get the film made fell through. So it is eligible, in case anyone else also thought it was American/British.

The Light Between Oceans is an international co-production, but primarily American and British, so not eligible.

The Stolen, while set in NZ and filmed there, appears to be a British production with a British crew principal cast, so not eligible.

The Luminaries is a British-NZ co-production, almost evenly split (though it seems to have originated in the UK) - Unless anyone has objections, I'll consider it eligible.

And I'm still not sure about Jojo Rabbit.
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Rufus-T wrote: June 15th, 2022, 2:35 pm What is your take on the eligibility of this one?:

The Bounty (1984): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086993/
British with American funding, in my opinion. Not eligible.
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sol wrote: June 25th, 2022, 1:15 am 6. Guns Akimbo (2019)
15. Turbo Kid (2015)
Guns Akimbo I'm not sure of, see above post in reply to Onderhond's list.
Turbo Kid is Canadian
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Is your list unranked?
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gromit82 wrote: June 6th, 2022, 12:42 am Before I post a list, could I get eligibility rulings on the following titles?

Jojo Rabbit (Taika Waititi, 2019): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2584384/
District 9 (Neill Blomkamp, 2009): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/
I realize that Jojo Rabbit is still under discussion, but my request for a ruling on District 9 is still pending.
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gromit82 wrote: June 6th, 2022, 12:42 am Before I post a list, could I get eligibility rulings on the following titles?

Jojo Rabbit (Taika Waititi, 2019): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2584384/
District 9 (Neill Blomkamp, 2009): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/
I thought I'd replied to this already, sorry. I looked into this a few weeks ago, but lost my notes.

Jojo I'm unsure about.

District 9 I've always considered South African. I was unaware of Jackson's involvement, which brings in a legitimate NZ connection, but I'm going to stick with South Africa for this one as it's based on the director's previous SA short film, and it's filmed locally with local cast and crew, mostly. So ineligible for this poll.
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I've gone through all the ballots thus far. Seems like NZ is close to our lower limit of creating a viable list, though I won't know for sure until I can properly run the formulas.

I'll dig deeper into the remaining films I'm uncertain about on Monday or Tuesday, depending on my work schedule, and I'll also update the first two posts.
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