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Managers Cup, Match SFB: beavis vs toromash (Feb 9th)

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Managers Cup, Match SFB: beavis vs toromash (Feb 9th)

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This is match SFB of iCM Forum's Managers Cup.

Original TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
LeonesLions2012beavislinklink
Le pont des Arts2004toromashlinklink

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Le pont des Arts
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Voting Rules:
- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite.

Voting deadline = Feb 9th
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The manager that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
- In case there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament works
We start with 18 movies selected by 18 managers. In the first round the movies are divided into 6 groups of 3. From each group the countries that end up at #1 proceed to the next round. The two best #2's proceed as well. In the 2nd round the 8 remaining managers will be divided into 8 matches of 2 and they pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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- Less than 1000 checks on iCM in round 1. Quarter finals: 400 checks. Semi finals: 200 checks. Final: (TBD) checks.
- Maximum runtime 180 min.
- No movies that have previously been selected for the World Cup.
- Not multiple movies by the same director.
- If two managers pick the same movie, the one who picked first gets it.
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1. The Bridge of Arts - 7/10
2. Lions - 2/10 - sorry, didn't vibe with this at all :(
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01. Leones
02. Le pont des Arts
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1. Le pont des Arts
2. Leones
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01. Leones - 8.5
02. Le pont des Arts - 8

Very close these two fine pieces of current world/art!!! I really like Green, but am glad I can vote for my own nomination with a clear conscience :)
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01. Leones
02. Le pont des Arts

Could’ve gone either way. Not a fan unfortunately.
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1. Le pont des Arts
2. Leones
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1. Le pont des Arts (2004) 7/10
2. Leones (2012) 5/10

I had already seen Le pont des Arts. Leones had an interesting concept, but the execution didn't work for me. I think I tend to dislike moody films shot by a camera that is always moving.
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1. Le pont des Arts 7.5/10
2. Leones 6.5/10
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1. Leones - is there a full plot summary what was happening?
2. Le pont des Arts

both fine watches for me btw
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This is a shame. Match A had two great movies. But now I'm voting for a movie I rated 5/10. I don't think I ever voted for such a low rating.

I was lost in Leones. I had to read the plot summary on IMDb afterwards to get the point. I didn't get that at all by watching.
Except...
something was related to a car accident... :shrug:
Almost as boring as Gus van Sant's Gerry, but at least intriguing here and there and the tracking shots of the wood looked nice now and then.

1. Le pont des Arts 5/10
2. Leones 4/10
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1. Le pont des Arts
2. Leones

Le pont des Arts (Eugène Green, 2004)

What a picture (insert Al Pacino gif here). Starts off as a satirical comedy about the French art world - I cannot emphasize enough how funny some of the performances are, Podalydès especially but generally the way the actors over-enunciate* adds to the surreal mood of it all and there's a certain meanness and pessimism about this particular environment that I found pretty ballsy - American films are always making fun of executives but French filmmakers tend to shy away from biting the hand that feeds them. It then morphs into something more earnest and somehow that works - it undoubtedly helps that I like Monteverdi a lot, but I think Natacha Régnier anchors that part of the film and brings the soulfulness that Green is going for here. That he manages to juggle that level of surrealist, Bunuelian comedy with these moments of profound beauty is quite impressive. Great use of the eponymous bridge too, and of other iconic landmarks of this particular area of Paris.

8/10

* not quite over-enunciating but I'd have to get more technical to explain, basically everyone is speaking as if they were reading poems, but incorrectly.

Leones (Jazmin Lopez, 2012)

By the time this mysterious, metaphysical film finally showed its hand, I was too disengaged with it to really care. Those shots look nice, but their monotonousness (is that a word?) does not feel like it brings much value - I suppose Lopez does manage to get this feeling of an otherworldly experience which fits with what she's doing here, but I guess I never got a strong enough sense of the characters to really care.

4/10
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1. Le Pont des Arts 7/10
Le pont des Arts takes us on a leisurely journey through Paris in the seventies as it follows a despondent philosophy student who finds no joy in his studies and a talented singer who is constantly berated by her musical tutor. Although their paths never cross, the student becomes besotted with the singer after hearing her music and this has a profound effect on his life. The baroque music in this film is absolutely fantastic and quite calming in an unusual way, acting as the perfect counterpoint to the intense philosophical musings of students and highfalutin conversations between those in high society who are working on their latest musical production.

For a film littered with obscure cultural references, Le Pont des Arts still maintains a sense of accessibility due to its rich humorous streak that sends up pompous intellectuals. An overarching theme of tragedy strengthens the union of the dual narratives, adding resonance to the film's poignant second half and showcasing the considered approach of Director Eugene Green, whose distinct style is perfectly suited to the subject matter at hand. This is a film that may not be for everyone, and I doubt that I have uncovered all of its meaning and symbolism on first viewing, though it offers a rewarding experience for those who are willing to step into its splendour and are not opposed to exploring its deeper subtext.

2. Leones 5/10
I made the mistake of glancing at the IMDB synopsis for Leones prior to watching the film and what I saw spoiled the film's mystery. Having said that, I doubt I would have deciphered the film's meaning just by watching it, as it proved to be quite a cryptic and obtuse puzzle. Long tracking shots through a forest follow a group of young people as they wander aimlessly and chat away about nothing in particular in this moody art-house piece that becomes monotonous pretty early on. There is some nice camerawork that weaves through the forest and the sense of mystery and foreboding is strong though the narrative is drip-fed to the audience in such a laboured way that it becomes easy to lose interest. Knowing beforehand what the film was about did not deprive me of any enjoyment in working out the Director's intentions as Leones lacks any excitement or urgency, instead it takes a ponderous approach to the subject matter; an approach that requires patience from the viewer even though its muted payoff fails to deliver the goods.

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Both of these seemed more "interesting" than involving or entertaining or anything else at first; both certainly have distinct styles and points of view but I wasn't really caring about either one until sometime in; happily both ended up better than expected, and they were a good contrast, with the constantly moving Steadicam in the lonely forest in Leones giving a radically different feel than the mostly fixed-camera urban world of Le pont de arts.

1. Le pont des arts - VERY GOOD
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At first I didn't know what was being attempted here - is it a throwback to the New Wave - particularly Godard with just a touch of Rivette, in it's characters and style? Or is it a Bresson homage with it's deliberately flat acting style and the regular focus on objects, feet, hands? Or something else...? Eventually I got that it was sort of parodying French art-film clichés, in particular the regular philosophizing and talking almost exclusively about high-culture subjects that just about every character indulges in, but I didn't find it particularly funny - perhaps were I fluent in French and more knowledgeable about some of the subjects (apart from the music, which I was somewhat familiar with)? And I have mixed feelings about the very broad gay stereotyping of a couple of characters, one of them the tyrannical conductor (Denis Podalydès) who makes the life of Sarah (Natacha Régnier), a singer of Baroque music, miserable - I get that part of this is a parody of these types but it seemed to go into unpleasant territory. Thankfully this isn't a huge part of the film and again - I'm not sure of the intentions. Mostly this is the story of young people attempting to create lives of the mind and art and having mixed - sometimes tragic - results, and in the second half, after the suicide of one major character, it takes a turn both darker and more - spiritual, I guess? It had a very powerful emotional effect on me actually - I watched the first half last night, fell asleep and dreamed of someone I haven't seen in 23 years but still think about almost daily, and then I woke up and felt I was still in her world while viewing the second half of the film. It's not a particularly dreamlike or weird or surreal film, but it had that feeling to me as I finished it an hour ago, just waking up. There is a reason why I keep coming back to French cinema that focuses on art and artists and intellectuals even though sometimes - as in this case - the characters and situations and dialogue are terribly unrealistic and theatrical (at least to this guy who's never been to France nor met many French people). Somehow I feel like I'm a part of that world, which I've always wanted to be but never have had the ability nor willpower to really enter.
2. Leones - GOOD
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So the IMDb description tells us right off that all but one of the five young people (20-ish?) that we follow as they walk through a forest, towards something, away from something, not knowing exactly what they're doing are dead - there's been a car crash, which we only see the results of near the end of the film. And then the survivor walks into the ocean, and the others are on the verge of following her, the end. It's clear just from what other people have written here that it's NOT clear to many viewers what has happened or what the film's about even at the end - nothing is actually explained, only inferred. I do think that's something of a problem, because we don't really know much about the characters and their world, and we don't really have too much to go on, to help us understand what this death experience is to them. A couple of lines about religion - a character with a gun who shoots off a few rounds into a lake - but mostly it's just boring youthful dialogues about nothing. And endless long shots, mostly from behind the characters, as they wend their way through this wood on the edge of the world. And yet it grew on me, and the style and the minimalism of the plotting and characterizations weren't crippling, though they certainly inhibit a really strong response. But it's not quite like anything else I can remember, and that's worth something.
Nice couple of films; if I didn't like either nearly as much as the last two, I will say that both gave me something to think about, and that's always a good thing.
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edward5 wrote: February 10th, 2022, 4:07 pm 1. Leones
2. Le pont des arts
Your vote is invalid (the countdown was over)
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pitchorneirda wrote: February 10th, 2022, 4:37 pm
edward5 wrote: February 10th, 2022, 4:07 pm 1. Leones
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Your vote is invalid (the countdown was over)
oh I got the date wrong :facepalm:
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Actually the date at the top of the page says Feb 10th, but the date at the top of this thread says Feb 9. So...???
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Sorry for the mistake on the date. The 9th was the deadline. Since I made a mistake in the header and it doesn't effect the final result, I'll count edward's vote.

Image Le pont des Arts: 9
Image Leones: 6

Congratulations to toromash.
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beavis wrote: January 31st, 2022, 10:13 pm Very close these two fine pieces of current world/art!!!
Funny to see how many were lost in the plot of Leones. It's a pretty established horror cliché and the moment it becomes clear these people are somewhat lost in this world, I immediately understood the rough outline of the film.

Best film I've discovered in this cup. Kudos!
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I would call it dissapointing instead of funny... but i don't want to get too negative. Glad at least a few people gave it a try and that there were even some likes for it from that.
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