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Country Poll: United States [Deadline: November 30th]

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Country Poll: United States [Deadline: November 30th]

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Overview of the Project
Schedule


November 2021: United States
(excluding Puerto Rico and other territories with their own country tag on imdb)


Rules
* You may vote for a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 20 titles.
* Feature films, documentaries, shorts, made-for-tv movies, direct-to-video movies, TV mini-series, and TV episodes from anthology series are all eligible.
* One country per film - IMDB is used as a guideline, but Fergenaprido will be the final arbiter for uncertain cases.
* All ballots are considered ranked unless otherwise stated.
* You must include a list of bare imdb URLs along with your ballot (preferably within a spoiler tag), otherwise your ballot will be disqualified.

Scoring
For ranked ballots, the top-ranked title will receive the number of points equal to the number of titles on the ballot, with each successive title receiving one point less.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means #1 has 20 points, #2 has 19 points, and #20 has 1 point; a list with 5 titles means #1 has 5 points, #2 has 4 points, and #5 has 1 point.

For unranked ballots, each title will receive an equal share of the total points that would have been allotted it the ballot had been ranked.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means each title would receive 10.5 points; a list with 5 titles means each title would receive 3 points.

Resources:
US films sorted by number of votes*
US films sorted by your rating on imdb*
Wikipedia article on Cinema of the United States
*due to imdb allowing films to be attributed to more than one country, many titles in this filter may be ineligible for this poll if the US is not the primary country of production. Decisions about uncertain films will be listed in the second post of this thread.

Many thanks to Rufus-T & gromit82 for the framework from the Year by Year polls, and to maxwelldeux for the Excel template.

52 Participants:
Fully ranked lists of 20 titles unless otherwise indicated
3eyes
AB537
Angel Glez (unranked?) - questionable
Arkantos
beasterne
beavis
blocho (unranked)
brokenface
Caracortada
cayado-coro (unranked)
Chilton (group ranked 12 & 8)
Dolwphin
Fergenaprido
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Good_Will_Harding
Gordon_Gekko
Gorro
gromit82
gunnar
hurluberlu
insomnius
jal90
joachimt
Lakigigar
LaTierri
Lonewolf2003
Mario Gaborović
matthewscott8
maxwelldeux
Melvelet
mightysparks
Minkin (unranked)
Mysterious Dude
OldAle1
Onderhond
Opio
ororama
Panunzio
peeptoad
Perception de Ambiguity (unranked) - questionable
pitchorneirda
RolandKirkSunglasses
Rufus-T
sebby
Sliga
Smoover
sol
Teproc
tommy_leazaq
TraverseTown
zomgmouse
zzzorf
Deadline: 11:59:59 p.m. November 30, 2021, UTC -10 (Hawaii Time)
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If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions (films listed in alphabetical order in each section).

Final Decisions
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
Alien (1979) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
All Souls Carnival (1957) - USA - American film, eligible
An American Werewolf in London (1981) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
Annihilation (2018) - USA - American film, eligible
Back and Forth [<--->] (1969) - Canada/USA - Canadian film, not eligible
Barry Lyndon (1975) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
Batang West Side - Philippines/USA - Filipino film, not eligible
Beyond the Black Rainbow (2010) - Canada - Canadian film, not eligible
Brand Upon the Brain! (2006) - USA/Canada - American film, eligible
Brazil (1985) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
Chimes at Midnight [Falstaff] [Campanadas a medianoche] (1965) - Spain/Switzerland Spanish film, not eligible
A Clockwork Orange (1971) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
Cloud Atlas (2012) - Germany/USA - German film, not eligible
Dancer in the Dark (2000) - Denmark - Danish film, not eligible
The Dead Zone (1983) - USA/Canada - American film, eligible
Dr. Strangelove (1964) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
Eyes Wide Shut (1999) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
F for Fake (1973) - France/Germany/Iran French film, not eligible
The Fly (1986) - USA/Canada - American film, eligible
Full Metal Jacket (1987) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
The Guns of Navarone (1961) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
A History of Violence (2005) - USA/Canada - American film, eligible
The Hobbit trilogy (2011-2013) - USA/New Zealand - American films, eligible
Hotel Monterey (1973) - USA/Belgium - American film, eligible
The Immortal Story [Histoire immortelle] (1968) - France - French film, not eligible
Inland Empire (2006) - USA/France - American film, eligible
The Juniper Tree (1990) - USA/Iceland - American film, eligible
King Kong (2005) - USA/New Zealand - American film, eligible
King of New York (1990) - USA/Italy - American film, eligible
Lolita (1962) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001-2003) - USA/New Zealand - American films, eligible
Lost Highway (1997) - USA/France - American film, eligible
The Lovely Bones (2009) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
M. Butterfly (1993) USA/Canada - American film, eligible
Maps to the Stars (2014) - Canada/USA - Canadian film, not eligible
Mr. Arkadin [Confidential Report] (1955) - France/Spain/Switzerland French film, not eligible
Mulholland Dr. (2001) - USA/France - American film, eligible
The Neon Demon (2016) - Denmark/USA - Danish film, not eligible
News from Home (1976) - Belgium/France - Belgian/French film, not eligible
Once Upon a Time in America (1984) - USA/Italy - American film, eligible
Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) - Italy/USA - Italian film, not eligible
Othello (1951) - USA/Italy - American film, eligible
The Other Side of the Wind (2018) - USA/France/Iran - American film, eligible
Phantom Thread (2017) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
Rebecca (1940) - USA - American film, eligible
La rΓ©gion centrale (1971) - Canada/USA - Canadian film, not eligible
Safe (1995) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
The Shining (1980) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible
The Straight Story (1999) - USA/France - American film, eligible
The Trial [Le procès] (1962) - France/Germany/Italy French film, not eligible
Titus (1999) - USA/UK - American film, eligible
Twin Peaks (1991) - USA - TV series, not eligible
Wavelength (1967) - Canada/USA - Canadian film, not eligible
Where Eagles Dare (1968) - UK/USA - British film, not eligible

Ongoing Discussions
None. All decisions have been finalized (for now).
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2001: A Space Odyssey, are we saying that’s a UK or a USA film? IMDb lists both of course.
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beasterne wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 3:25 am 2001: A Space Odyssey, are we saying that’s a UK or a USA film? IMDb lists both of course.
I consider it American.

From wikipedia: "2001: A Space Odyssey was financed and distributed by the American studio Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer,[11][12] but was filmed and edited almost entirely in southern England, where Kubrick lived, using the facilities of MGM-British Studios and Shepperton Studios. MGM had subcontracted the production of the film to Kubrick's production company in order to qualify for the Eady Levy, a UK tax on box-office receipts used at the time to fund the production of films in Britain.[13]"

Plus, it was selected for the National Film Registry in the US, and represented US at the Moscow Film Festival in 1969.
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I don't think it makes a lot of sense to say The Shining is excluded but 2001 is included, as both similarly split productions, made in UK with US studio backing and an American director (who lived most his life in Britain)

Think you can make a good case either way if picking either UK or US for Kubrick's post Spartacus work, but should be consistent. Maybe would lean to exclusion since Kubrick does get plenty of due in polls?

also think they were all included on the UK poll. Not sure what the precedence is with country polls, do we try to make films only count for 1 country poll, or do some end up in multiple?
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1 - Apocalypse Now 1979
2 - Gummo 1997
3 - The Big Lebowski 1998
4 - The Thin Red Line 1998
5 - Vertigo 1958
6 - Old Joy 2006
7 - Blue Velvet 1986
8 - Cremaster 3 2002
9 - The Matrix Reloaded 2003
10 - Elephant 2003
11 - Simple Men 1992
12 - Rope 1948
13 - Conan the Barbarian 1982
14 - Lost Highway 1997
15 - The Night of the Iguana 1964
16 - Basic Instinct 1992
17 - The Matrix 1999
18 - Marie Antoinette 2006
19 - They Shoot Horses, Don't They? 1969
20 - Drive 2011
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01. Pop Skull by Adam Wingard - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1110059/
02. Pi by Darren Aronofsky - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/
03. Rabbits by David Lynch - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0347840/
04. Godkiller by Matt Pizzolo - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1384961/
05. Gravity by Alfonso CuarΓ³n - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1454468/
06. Lost River by Ryan Gosling - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2366608/
07. Swiss Army Man by Dan Kwan, Daniel Scheinert - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4034354/
08. Gamer by Mark Neveldine, Brian Taylor - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034032/
09. Primer by Shane Carruth - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390384/
10. Crank 2 by Mark Neveldine, Brian Taylor - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1121931/
11. Equals by Drake Doremus - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3289728/
12. Requiem for a Dream by Darren Aronofsky - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180093/
13. The Grand Budapest Hotel by Wes Anderson - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2278388/
14. Mother! by Darren Aronofsky - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5109784/
15. Isle of Dogs by Wes Anderson - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5104604/
16. Mandy by Panos Cosmatos - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6998518/
17. Cloverfield by Matt Reeves - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1060277/
18. Punch-Drunk Love by Paul Thomas Anderson - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272338/
19. Upstream Color by Shane Carruth - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084989/
20. Where the Wild Things Are by Spike Jonze - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386117/

Reference list (if needed)
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Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 2:38 am If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions.

Final Decisions
The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001-2003) - USA/New Zealand - US films, eligible
King Kong (2005) - USA/New Zealand - US film, eligible
Well, that pretty much wipes out my having a New Zealand list :lol:

Anyway apart from the Kubrick films, my only questions would be about two Leone films:

Once Upon a Time in America seems to be more American than Italian to me, and
Once Upon a Time in the West, the reverse. But both have Italy listed first as production countries.

and one Lav Diaz film:

Batang West Side - listed with the Philippines as first production country, but it was mostly shot in the USA, takes place in the USA, is at least half in English. Overall looks like it should be listed as a Filipino film but I just wanted to make sure as it would be in my top 20 for either country.
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1 . Apocalypse Now ( Francis Ford Coppola )
2 . Lost Highway ( David Lynch )
3 . Modern Times ( Charles Chaplin )
4 . The Tree of Life ( Terrence Malick )
5 . Synecdoche, New York ( Charlie Kaufman )
6 . Manhattan ( Woody Allen )
7 . The Godfather ( Francis Ford Coppola )
8 . Goodfellas ( Martin Scorsese )
9 . Titus ( Julie Taymor )
10 . All Quiet on the Western Front ( Lewis Milestone )
11 . A Streetcar Named Desire ( Elia Kazan )
12 . After Hours ( Martin Scorsese )
13 . Interstellar ( Christopher Nolan )
14 . Rapture ( John Guillermin )
15 . North by Northwest ( Alfred Hitchcock )
16 . Casablanca ( Michael Curtiz )
17 . The Age of Innocence ( Martin Scorsese )
18 . Rear Window ( Alfred Hitchcock )
19 . Donnie Darko ( Richard Kelly )
20 . Scarface ( Brian de Palma )

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1. All Souls Carnival (Len Lye)
2. The Birth of a Nation (David W. Griffith)
3. A Woman Under the Influence (John Cassavetes)
4. Punishment Park (Peter Watkins)
5. Allures (Jordan Belson)
6. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles)
7. The Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin)
8. Rear Window (Alfred Hitchcock)
9. Point de Gaze (Jodie Mack)
10. Winter's Bone (Debra Granik)
11. Carol (Todd Haynes)
12. Patterns (Fielder Cook)
13. Sound of Metal (Darius Marder)
14. Rosemary's Baby (Roman Polanski)
15. Emperor of the North Pole (Robert Aldrich)
16. Beasts of the Southern Wild (Benh Zeitlin)
17. H2O (Ralph Steiner)
18. The Lighthouse (Robert Eggers)
19. Seasons... (Phil Solomon & Stan Brakhage)
20. The Passion of the Christ (Mel Gibson)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6502142/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0004972/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072417/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067633/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054616/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033467/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032553/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047396/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3556618/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1399683/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2402927/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049601/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5363618/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070030/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125435/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192102/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7984734/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276477/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/
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If you have a Letterboxd-account, this here might help you make a list.

Mine (too hard to rank these, so you can consider it unranked):
β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜… (in alphabetical order)
12 Angry Men (1957, Lumet)
Apocalypse Now (1979, FF Coppola)
As I Was Moving Ahead, Occasionnally I Saw Brief Glimpses of Beauty (2000, Mekas)
Before Sunset (2004, Linklater)
Fantasia (1940, various)
Feed the Kitty (1952, Jones)
The Master (2012, PT Anderson)
Over the Garden Wall (2014, Cash)
Paterson (2016, Jarmusch)
Taxi Driver (1976, Scorsese)
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992, Lynch)
What's Opera, Doc? (1957, Jones)
β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…Β½ (in alphabetical order)
Blade Runner (1982, Scott)
Double Indemnity (1944, Wilder)
Inside Llewyn Davis (2013, Coen Brothers)
The Lady from Shanghai (1947, Welles)
Modern Times (1936, Chaplin)
Mulholland Drive (2001, Lynch)
Stop Making Sense (1984, Demme)
Strangers on a Train (1951, Hitchcock)

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NOTE: Edited to remove Twin Peaks the series
NOTE2: 2021 is British now
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brokenface wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 8:31 am I don't think it makes a lot of sense to say The Shining is excluded but 2001 is included, as both similarly split productions, made in UK with US studio backing and an American director (who lived most his life in Britain)

Think you can make a good case either way if picking either UK or US for Kubrick's post Spartacus work, but should be consistent. Maybe would lean to exclusion since Kubrick does get plenty of due in polls?

also think they were all included on the UK poll. Not sure what the precedence is with country polls, do we try to make films only count for 1 country poll, or do some end up in multiple?
Well, those aren't finalized yet, hence them being in the "Ongoing Discussions" section. I added them preemptively because I wasn't certain, and the initial decision is based on what I've got in my spreadsheet, but I haven't looked closely at Alien & The Shining in a while to remember why I decided on the UK when I did. I don't know enough about Kubrick's production to say either way yet. I can do some research on all of his films if we expect that each one post-Spartacus is iffy - some time later this week.

I won't exclude Kubrick from these polls just because he's popular.

There's no precedence with our country polls - there are films that have appeared in more than one (though of course after I say this, I fail to remember a single example ... I think Martyrs showed up in both Canada and France).
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OldAle1 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 2:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 2:38 am If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions.

Final Decisions
The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001-2003) - USA/New Zealand - US films, eligible
King Kong (2005) - USA/New Zealand - US film, eligible
Well, that pretty much wipes out my having a New Zealand list :lol:

Anyway apart from the Kubrick films, my only questions would be about two Leone films:

Once Upon a Time in America seems to be more American than Italian to me, and
Once Upon a Time in the West, the reverse. But both have Italy listed first as production countries.

and one Lav Diaz film:

Batang West Side - listed with the Philippines as first production country, but it was mostly shot in the USA, takes place in the USA, is at least half in English. Overall looks like it should be listed as a Filipino film but I just wanted to make sure as it would be in my top 20 for either country.
Yeah, those Jackson pics are big Hollywood films, even if they were filmed in NZ and his workshop did the special effects.

I haven't seen America, so let me look into it. I'm calling West Italian, though.

For Batang, I'm leaning towards Philippines, but I'll look into that one too.
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Chilton wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:37 pm If you have a Letterboxd-account, this here might help you make a list.
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** Co-productions that would've made my list but I don't consider them US enough:
Dancer in the Dark (2000, von Trier) >> ??
Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo (1966, Leone) >> Italy
What We Do in the Shadows (2014, Clement & Waititi) >> New Zealand
Letterboxd country lists are even more useless than IMDB, IMO, because I don't think they list them in any order.

Yes, those three co-productions are not US. Dancer would be Danish, IIRC.
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Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:55 pm I won't exclude Kubrick from these polls just because he's popular.
I'm actually more surprised The Shining is considered a UK film. The setting & actors make it very USA for me. Source material is also by an all-American writer (though maybe less important).
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Onderhond wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 10:00 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:55 pm I won't exclude Kubrick from these polls just because he's popular.
I'm actually more surprised The Shining is considered a UK film. The setting & actors make it very USA for me. Source material is also by an all-American writer (though maybe less important).
I don't fully remember what I read when I was looking into it last year, but it was filmed in the UK, I believe. Might be analogous to Three Billboards, a British film about America. I'll double-check when I'm verifying all of Kubrick's films.
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hurluberlu wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:47 pm 8. Twin Peaks ( David Lynch )
Chilton wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:37 pm Twin Peaks (1991, Lynch)
Twin Peaks (1991) is a TV series, thus is not eligible for this poll.
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Chilton wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:37 pm
Mine (too hard to rank these, so you can consider it unranked):
β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜… (in alphabetical order)
12 Angry Men (1957, Lumet)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968, Kubrick)*
Apocalypse Now (1979, FF Coppola)
As I Was Moving Ahead, Occasionnally I Saw Brief Glimpses of Beauty (2000, Mekas)
Before Sunset (2004, Linklater)
Fantasia (1940, various)
Feed the Kitty (1952, Jones)
The Master (2012, PT Anderson)
Over the Garden Wall (2014, Cash)
Paterson (2016, Jarmusch)
Taxi Driver (1976, Scorsese)
What's Opera, Doc? (1957, Jones)
β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…Β½ (in alphabetical order)
Blade Runner (1982, Scott)
Double Indemnity (1944, Wilder)
Inside Llewyn Davis (2013, Coen Brothers)
The Lady from Shanghai (1947, Welles)
Modern Times (1936, Chaplin)
Mulholland Drive (2001, Lynch)
Strangers on a Train (1951, Hitchcock)
Twin Peaks (1991, Lynch)


*UK/US co-production, feels more UK to me somehow but since consensus here is to put it in the US list, I'll do the same.
What about 2001 feels British to you? Note that consensus hasn't been reached yet, so if you've got more than a feeling to back up your opinion, please share. :)

And when you say unranked, are you implying in two sections based on stars? Or just everything unranked?
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Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 11:17 pm I don't fully remember what I read when I was looking into it last year, but it was filmed in the UK, I believe. Might be analogous to Three Billboards, a British film about America. I'll double-check when I'm verifying all of Kubrick's films.
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So yeah, the inside scenes maybe, but the outside scenes didn't look like England to me. I'd also give Three Billboards to the US though, even though I'm aware of the UK involvement in that film. It's hard to find a consensus I'm afraid.

Also, I've just went to 2500 films with multiple countries assigned to them in my own database, so I know your pain :D
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I do think the feel of the film itself matters, and there's nothing British about The Shining, Full Metal Jacket or Eyes Wide Shut on screen, which makes me consider them US films, while I do consider 2001 and Strangelove (which has Peter Sellers, and one of his roles is a British character) to be UK, as well as Barry Lyndon obviously. Anyway, I think they're all debatable cases, and am surprised The Shining would be excluded, as it seems well within a range where people can decide for themselves whether or not it should be eligible.
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Teproc wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 12:07 am Anyway, I think they're all debatable cases, and am surprised The Shining would be excluded, as it seems well within a range where people can decide for themselves whether or not it should be eligible.
I want to have consistency, as films will only be eligible for one country. If I leave it up to people to decide for themselves, and then enough people decide it's American and it makes the list here, it won't be eligible for the British poll. And then those who decided it was British miss the chance to vote for the film, and it will have been underrepresented on the American poll. This goes for any film, just using The Shining as the example.
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1. Sunset Blvd. (Billy Wilder, 1950)
2. 12 Angry Men (Sidney Lumet, 1957)
3. Fargo (Ethan Coen, Joel Coen, 1996)
4. The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972)
5. Heat (Michael Mann, 1995)
6. Boogie Nights (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1997)
7. Network (Sidney Lumet, 1976)
8. Zodiac (David Fincher, 2007)
9. The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946)
10. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2017)
11. Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
12. The Big Lebowski (Ethan Coen, Joel Coen, 1998)
13. Watchmen (Zack Snyder, 2009)
14. Magnolia (Paul Thomas Anderson, 1999)
15. Wild at Heart (David Lynch, 1990)
16. The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick, 1998)
17. Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine, 2012)
18. From Here to Eternity (Fred Zinnemann, 1953)
19. JFK (Oliver Stone, 1991)
20. The Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin, 1940)
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Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 11:20 pm
hurluberlu wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:47 pm 8. Twin Peaks ( David Lynch )
Chilton wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:37 pm Twin Peaks (1991, Lynch)
Twin Peaks (1991) is a TV series, thus is not eligible for this poll.
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RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 12:53 am "Safe" (1995) was one of my "close but no cigars" but its primary country is the UK according to IMDB. American cast and director filmed in the US, depends how much UK cash flowed into the budget I guess.
Hmm, I never considered it anything other than American, given the cast/director/locations (as you mention). It will be in my list if eligible.

Sorry, I probably missed discussion on this, but the first country listed in IMDB represents the lead production company's nation?
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Opio wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 1:20 am
RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 12:53 am "Safe" (1995) was one of my "close but no cigars" but its primary country is the UK according to IMDB. American cast and director filmed in the US, depends how much UK cash flowed into the budget I guess.
Hmm, I never considered it anything other than American, given the cast/director/locations (as you mention). It will be in my list if eligible.

Sorry, I probably missed discussion on this, but the first country listed in IMDB represents the lead production company's nation?
It should, but it doesn't always, since both items are manually added by individual users.

In this case, all the production companies are either American or unlisted, except #5, which is British. So yeah, I'm calling this one an American film, as the only British component seems to be some of the funding. I've submitted an update to change the order of countries on imdb.
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Thanks for the quick response -- makes sense to me.

That just leaves 2 Kubricks to be decided upon, which I see are being discussed currently, to finalize my list. I had already ceded Clockwork Orange to the redcoats based on the British elements and setting of it, but perhaps that's too simplistic. In any case, it doesn't help me figure out 2001.
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What's the verdict on Mulholland Dr? IMDB, Letterboxd, and the American Film Institute all list it as a French production first, listing Studio Canal as the primary production company.
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I feel very weird voting not being able to vote for LOTR as a Kiwi film but oh well. Not sure about a couple of them yet so I'll remove them if needed and add all the IMDb URLs once that's been decided.

Also: An American Werewolf in London? I assume a UK film.. And The Fly? Canadian or US? *still waiting for confirmation for Werewolf before posting final list and URLs. Final list done.

1. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
2. From Dusk Till Dawn (1996)
3. An American Werewolf in London (1981)
4. Dawn of the Dead (1978)
5. Pulp Fiction (1994)
6. Sex, Lies and Videotape (1989)
7. Cloverfield (2008)
8. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
9. The Matrix (1999)
10. The Terminator (1984)
11. Reservoir Dogs (1992)
12. The Purple Rose of Cairo (1985)
13. South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (1999)
14. House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
15. Psycho (1960)
16. Die Hard (1988)
17. Some Like it Hot (1959)
18. The Langoliers (1995)
19. The Fly (1986)
20. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)

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Torgo wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 1:02 am
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 11:20 pm
hurluberlu wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:47 pm 8. Twin Peaks ( David Lynch )
Chilton wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:37 pm Twin Peaks (1991, Lynch)
Twin Peaks (1991) is a TV series, thus is not eligible for this poll.
This is already my favorite poll :ph43r:
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Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 11:20 pm
hurluberlu wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 7:47 pm 8. Twin Peaks ( David Lynch )
Chilton wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 9:37 pm Twin Peaks (1991, Lynch)
Twin Peaks (1991) is a TV series, thus is not eligible for this poll.
Oh of course, it claimed a spot high there without me noticing. I will adjust later on.
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1. Pulp Fiction
2. Fargo
3. Vertigo
4. The Matrix
5. Inside Llewyn Davis
6. The Grand Budapest Hotel
7. Black Swan
8. Rear Window
9. Memento
10. Reservoir Dogs
11. Blood Simple
12. Burn After Reading
13. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
14. The Blues Brothers
15. Dawn of the Dead
16. Barton Fink
17. WALL-E
18. Unforgiven
19. Jaws
20. Zodiac
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Regarding 2001 the question is not so much what makes it feel British but what makes it feel American. Given that it was filmed in the UK and that its subject matter is neither British nor American. Basically everyone involved behind the scenes (DP, editor, costumes etc.) is British except for Kubrick, who is American but lived in Britain for half of his life. Even Arthur C. Clarke is British. I guess Douglas Trumbull is American and most of the cast as well, but the production is pretty clearly overwhelmingly British.

I'd also consider the LOTR movies to be New Zealand films, since the director, the screenwriters and the editors are from New Zealand, not to mention it was filmed there. In terms of what the film feels like, you can certainly argue it feels British, but American? It's literally just the money that's American. The DP is Australian, the only major person involved that's American behind the camera is the composer. The cast is from all over the place, so that's not really decisive. So unless we follow IMDB's logic of "follow the money", I don't see why they should be considered American.
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TraverseTown wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 2:31 am What's the verdict on Mulholland Dr? IMDB, Letterboxd, and the American Film Institute all list it as a French production first, listing Studio Canal as the primary production company.
To me that is an American film. It was produced as an American tv-show pilot first. When the series didn't get picked up David Lynch wanted to make it into a movie, but couldn't find an American studio to pay for it. Eventually Studio Canal did. Again, the setting and the creative people are (almost) all American, only the money isn't. I'm also in the camp of UK for 2001 A Space Odyssey and NZL for LotR.
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1. Waves
2. Color Out of Space
3. Blade Runner
4. Midsommar
5. The VVitch: A New England Folktale
6. Uncut Gems
7. Spring Breakers
8. Reservoir Dogs
9. Taxi Driver
10. The Fly
11. Nightcrawler
12. Fight Club
13. Sin City
14. Badlands
15. Assassination Nation
16. Pulp Fiction
17. Mysterious Skin
18. Good Time
19. Whiplash
20. Rear Window

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mightysparks wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 4:45 am I feel very weird voting not being able to vote for LOTR as a Kiwi film but oh well. Not sure about a couple of them yet so I'll remove them if needed and add all the IMDb URLs once that's been decided.

Also: An American Werewolf in London? I assume a UK film.. And The Fly? Canadian or US?
I'd like to know what I should consider "The Fly" as.

I do Alien as UK and Blade Runner as USA too. Videodrome is Canadian according to my source, and The Fly USA. The Shining is also USA, while Eyes Wide Shut, A Clockwork Orange, FMJ and 2001: A Space Odyssey are not. I thought Kubrick was financed by UK productions, because of the controversial themes of his films later on (except for his earlier films till and including Paths of Glory, Spartacus & The Shining).

If someone has remarks on it, i'll change the list.

EDIT: i've just read the first post, and see that The Shining is not eligible, so okay, that surprises me actually. Especially since 2001 is eligible. It was my number 21, so it narrowly missed the list (but good since i can include it for UK now). I will just do the Kubricks for UK except Paths of Glory which doesn't make the list anyway.

Still uncertain about The Fly & perhaps The Neon Demon although it makes more sense here than in the Danish or French one. Blade Runner probably is US?

I would suggest saving post-Spartacus Kubrick for UK incl. 2001 and The Shining.
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Also, i'm unsure about Room. I've seen it mentioning here, but my source didn't even mention USA. It says Ireland/Canada/UK. That is also quite a confusing one.
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Lakigigar wrote: ↑November 9th, 2021, 10:25 am Also, i'm unsure about Room. I've seen it mentioning here, but my source didn't even mention USA. It says Ireland/Canada/UK. That is also quite a confusing one.
Oh yeah, that's a mistake on my part, looks like it's clearly Irish, or at least not American.
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OldAle1 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 2:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑November 8th, 2021, 2:38 am If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions.

Final Decisions
The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001-2003) - USA/New Zealand - US films, eligible
King Kong (2005) - USA/New Zealand - US film, eligible
Well, that pretty much wipes out my having a New Zealand list :lol:
My first thought when I saw that was: "it would be a shame if one of the LOTR films makes our all-time US Top 20".

My second thought, however, was "at least that would be better than all three LOTR films making our all-time NZ Top 20". tehe

In all fairness, I haven't seen any of the films in 18 years but still... :unsure:
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