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Year-by-Year Polls: Looking back at 2020 (Results)

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Year-by-Year Polls: Looking back at 2020 (Results)

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Here are the results for your 2020 poll.

Thank you to these 47 posters for participating in the poll: 72aicm, AB537, Arkantos, beavis, blocho, brokenface, Cinepolis, crumbthumber, DudeLanez, Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech), filmbantha, Good-Will-Harding, Gordon_Gekko, GruesomeTwosome, hurluberlu, insomnius, Ivan0716, jeff_v, klaus78, Lakigigar, Melvelet, mightysparks, morrison-dylan-fan, MoTH, Mothravka, murnaunosferatu, Mysterious Dude, OldAle1, Onderhond, ororama, outdoorcats, peeptoad, Perception de Ambiguity, pitchorneirda, rnilsson19, Rufus-T, Silga, Smoover, sol, St. Gloede, Teproc, timshelboy, Torgo, TraverseTown, viktor-vaudevillain, zomgmouse, zzzorf

Also, additional thank you to these 14 posters for participating in at least one of the the performance polls: AB537, Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech), Good-Will-Harding, Ivan0716, Lakigigar, mightysparks, Mysterious Dude, OldAle1, Perception de Ambiguity, Rufus-T, Silga, sol, Teproc, TraverseTown

There were 350 films mentioned in the film poll, and 243 performers from 146 films were mentioned in the performance polls. More than one films were mentioned for 16 performers. Altogether, 395 films were mentioned in the poll. The 395 films come from these 56 countries:

# of films ____ Country
148 ___________ USA
40 ____________ UK
31 ____________ France
22 ____________ Canada
14 ____________ Japan
12 ____________ Spain
9 _____________ Italy, Russia
7 _____________ South Korea
6 _____________ Argentina, China, Germany
5 _____________ Poland
4 _____________ Australia, Mexico
3 _____________ Austria, Belgium, Brazil, India, Ireland, Norway, Philippines, Portugal, Romania, Sweden
2 _____________ Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Palestinian Territories, Serbia, South Africa, Switzerland, Taiwan, Tunisia
1 _____________ Angola, Bangladesh, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Georgia, Latvia, Lesotho, Lithuania, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Panama, Peru, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine

There were film performances that were splitted between the leading and the supporting categories. All the points of that performance will be combined in the category with the most points, followed by most mentions.

To limit the length of the list, more than 1 mention or a landing of a #1 ranking are required to be listed. The film poll also required at least 20 points for the non #1 films.

Tie breaker is # of mentions followed by the film with a higher ranking, the next higher ranking, etc. and then for the film poll only, the number of IMDb votes

After this poll, we will be returning to our regular Year-by-Year poll for 1967, followed by 2009.

Without further ado, here are our films and performances of 2020:

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RANK FILM DIRECTOR(S) POINTS MENTIONS HIGHEST RANKING IMDb VOTES POSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1 LINK
1 Promising Young Woman Emerald Fennell 179 15 1 123,539 Arkantos, Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech) :imdb:
2 The Father Florian Zeller 177 18 1 91,526 DudeLanez, Gordon_Gekko, sol :imdb:
3 I'm Thinking of Ending Things Charlie Kaufman 172 15 1 73,255 Melvelet, OldAle1, Teproc :imdb:
4 Nomadland Chloé Zhao 168 17 1 124,047 murnaunosferatu, ororama, Silga :imdb:
5 Palm Springs Max Barbakow 147 14 2 127,888 :imdb:
6 Never Rarely Sometimes Always Eliza Hittman 141 12 1 23,328 Good-Will-Harding :imdb:
7 Minari Lee Isaac Chung 103 11 1 58,514 brokenface, Mysterious Dude :imdb:
8 There Is No Evil / Sheytan vojud nadarad Mohammad Rasoulof 103 7 1 2,717 pitchorneirda :imdb:
9 Possessor Brandon Cronenberg 102 13 1 27,276 Lakigigar :imdb:
10 Another Round / Druk Thomas Vinterberg 99 14 2 105,306 :imdb:
11 Undine Christian Petzold 96 10 2 4,897 :imdb:
12 Sound of Metal Darius Marder 96 9 2 103,430 :imdb:
13 Wolfwalkers Ross Stewart, Tomm Moore 94 8 2 25,040 :imdb:
14 The Woman Who Ran / Domangchin yeoja Sang-soo Hong 87 7 2 2,072 :imdb:
15 Soul Pete Docter, Kemp Powers 80 7 1 275,328 Torgo :imdb:
16 The Invisible Man Leigh Whannell 72 9 2 190,869 :imdb:
17 First Cow Kelly Reichardt 71 7 1 14,418 GruesomeTwosome :imdb:
18 Da 5 Bloods Spike Lee 70 8 2 47,443 :imdb:
19 Shiva Baby Emma Seligman 70 8 2 10,427 :imdb:
20 Small Axe: Lovers Rock Steve McQueen 67 4 1 4,399 jeff_v, outdoorcats :imdb:
21 Days / Rizi Ming-liang Tsai 66 7 1 1,099 viktor-vaudevillain :imdb:
22 City Hall Frederick Wiseman 58 6 5 525 :imdb:
23 The Metamorphosis of Birds / A Metamorfose dos Pássaros Catarina Vasconcelos 58 4 1 525 MoTH, Mothravka :imdb:
24 Sun Children / Khorshid Majid Majidi 53 5 6 1,750 :imdb:
25 Shirley Josephine Decker 53 3 1 10,118 beavis, zomgmouse :imdb:
26 Bye Bye Morons / Adieu les cons Albert Dupontel 53 3 3 2,731 :imdb:
27 The Hunt Craig Zobel 51 7 3 87,949 :imdb:
28 Quo vadis, Aida? Jasmila Zbanic 49 6 3 25,100 :imdb:
29 The Cloud in Her Room / Ta fang jian li de yun Xinyuan Zheng Lu 48 4 3 211 :imdb:
30 The Last Dance Jason Hehir 48 3 1 95,552 Rufus-T, Smoover :imdb:
31 Manor House / Malmkrog Cristi Puiu 47 5 1 949 Ivan0716 :imdb:
32 Kajillionaire Miranda July 46 6 4 14,198 :imdb:
33 The Empty Man David Prior 46 5 5 17,510 :imdb:
34 Mank David Fincher 44 4 1 65,587 blocho :imdb:
35 Uppercase Print / Tipografic Majuscul Radu Jude 44 4 1 440 St. Gloede :imdb:
36 Pieces of a Woman Kornél Mundruczó 44 4 2 43,200 :imdb:
37 The Devil All the Time Antonio Campos 44 3 5 111,412 :imdb:
38 Tenet Christopher Nolan 41 6 2 415,986 :imdb:
39 Onward Dan Scanlon 40 3 3 124,753 :imdb:
40 Dick Johnson Is Dead Kirsten Johnson 40 3 3 5,638 :imdb:
41 The King of Staten Island Judd Apatow 38 6 4 51,884 :imdb:
42 Devs Alex Garland 37 3 3 31,890 :imdb:
43 Berlin Alexanderplatz Burhan Qurbani 37 3 4 2,737 :imdb:
44 The Two Sights / An Dà Shealladh Joshua Bonnetta 36 3 2 10 :imdb:
45 Stump the Guesser Evan Johnson, Guy Maddin, Galen Johnson 35 2 2 389 :imdb:
46 I Care a Lot J Blakeson 34 4 3 112,830 :imdb:
47 News of the World Paul Greengrass 34 4 3 71,499 :imdb:
48 My Octopus Teacher Pippa Ehrlich, James Reed 33 4 8 43,686 :imdb:
49 Gretel & Hansel Oz Perkins 33 3 3 27,666 :imdb:
50 Beginning Dea Kulumbegashvili 33 3 6 1,589 :imdb:
51 Bad Education Cory Finley 32 2 3 36,761 :imdb:
52 Siberia Abel Ferrara 31 3 5 1,628 :imdb:
53 Cockroach Weiwei Ai 31 2 1 29 peeptoad :imdb:
54 The Haunting of Bly Manor Ciarán Foy, Liam Gavin, Ben Howling, Yolanda Ramke, Axelle Carolyn, Mike Flanagan, E.L. Katz 31 2 2 79,633 :imdb:
55 Blow the Man Down Danielle Krudy, Bridget Savage Cole 30 2 1 9,267 crumbthumber :imdb:
56 Gunda Viktor Kosakovskiy 30 2 6 1,184 :imdb:
57 His House Remi Weekes 29 2 2 33,359 :imdb:
58 The Lighthouse Robert Eggers 27 2 2 165,423 :imdb:
59 Small Axe: Education Steve McQueen 27 2 7 1,942 :imdb:
60 The Monopoly of Violence / Un pays qui se tient sage David Dufresne 27 2 3 321 :imdb:
61 Hamilton Thomas Kail 26 3 11 72,602 :imdb:
62 Rent-a-Pal Jon Stevenson 26 3 2 3,412 :imdb:
63 Father / Otac Srdan Golubovic 26 2 5 2,254 :imdb:
64 Bloody Nose, Empty Pockets Turner Ross, Bill Ross IV 25 5 2 1,240 :imdb:
65 Nasir Arun Karthick 25 3 4 296 :imdb:
66 World of Tomorrow Episode Three: The Absent Destinations of David Prime Don Hertzfeldt 25 2 8 300 :imdb:
67 Extraction Sam Hargrave 24 2 9 177,765 :imdb:
68 Tragic Jungle / Selva trágica Yulene Olaizola 24 2 2 697 :imdb:
69 Air Conditioner / Ar Condicionado Fradique 24 2 8 438 :imdb:
70 The Trial of the Chicago 7 Aaron Sorkin 23 4 2 156,778 :imdb:
71 The Half of It Alice Wu 23 2 6 32,212 :imdb:
72 Small Axe Steve McQueen 23 2 2 3,610 :imdb:
73 The Giant David Raboy 23 2 2 321 :imdb:
74 The Things We Say, the Things We Do / Les choses qu'on dit, les choses qu'on fait Emmanuel Mouret 22 3 7 1,483 :imdb:
75 Come True Anthony Scott Burns 22 2 1 6,050 filmbantha :imdb:
76 Circumstantial Pleasures Lewis Klahr 22 2 1 79 insomnius :imdb:
77 Calm with Horses Nick Rowland 21 2 1 4,505 timshelboy :imdb:
78 The Assistant Kitty Green 21 2 6 19,558 :imdb:
79 Small Axe: Mangrove Steve McQueen 21 2 4 5,050 :imdb:
80 New Order / Nuevo orden Michel Franco 21 2 3 4,768 :imdb:
81 Little Girl / Petite fille Sébastien Lifshitz 21 2 7 691 :imdb:
82 A Shape of Things to Come J.P. Sniadecki, Lisa Malloy 21 2 8 40 :imdb:
83 David Byrne's American Utopia / American Utopia Spike Lee 20 5 4 3,547 :imdb:
84 Wendy Benh Zeitlin 20 3 4 2,874 :imdb:
85 Preparations to Be Together for an Unknown Period of Time / Felkészülés meghatározatlan ideig tartó együttlétre Lili Horvát 20 3 9 1,372 :imdb:
86 Ma Rainey's Black Bottom George C. Wolfe 20 2 9 46,139 :imdb:
87 True Mothers / Asa ga kuru Naomi Kawase 20 2 11 953 :imdb:
88 The Calming / Ping jing Fang Song 20 2 2 51 :imdb:
89 Belgravia John Alexander 20 1 1 5,205 AB537 :imdb:
90 Caught in the Net / V síti Barbora Chalupová, Vít Klusák 20 1 1 975 zzzorf :imdb:
91 Sin / Il peccato Andrey Konchalovskiy 20 1 1 812 hurluberlu :imdb:
92 Opal Jack Stauber 20 1 1 446 TraverseTown :imdb:
93 Black Lake K. Pervaiz 20 1 1 93 morrison-dylan-fan :imdb:
94 Empty Metal Bayley Sweitzer, Adam Khalil 20 1 1 82 Perception de Ambiguity :imdb:
95 Atarrabi & Mikelats Eugène Green 12 1 1 63 rnilsson19 :imdb:
96 Psycho Goreman Steven Kostanski 11 2 1 9,314 mightysparks :imdb:
97 This Is Not a Burial, It's a Resurrection Lemohang Jeremiah Mosese 10 1 1 681 klaus78 :imdb:
98 The Day of Destruction / Hakai no Hi Toshiaki Toyoda 8 1 1 117 Onderhond :imdb:
99 Identifying Features / Sin señas particulares Fernanda Valadez 7 2 1 993 Cinepolis :imdb:
100 The Painter and the Thief / Kunstneren og tyven Benjamin Ree 5 1 1 2,889 72aicm :imdb:

Results as an ICM list and Results as an IMDb list


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LEADING ACTOR

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 Anthony Hopkins The Father 65 8 1mightysparks, Rufus-T, sol
2 Delroy Lindo Da 5 Bloods 57 6 1 Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech), Good-Will-Harding, Teproc
3 Mads Mikkelsen Another Round / Druk 43 8 1 AB537
4 Riz Ahmed Sound of Metal 27 5 2
5 Jesse Plemons I'm Thinking of Ending Things 23 5 3
6 Levan Gelbakhiani And Then We Danced / Da chven vitsek'vet 17 2 1 TraverseTown
7 Chadwick Boseman Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 16 3 3
8 Andy Samberg Palm Springs 15 3 3
9 Steven Yeun Minari 14 4 1 Mysterious Dude
10 Franz Rogowski Undine 11 2 1 Ivan0716
11 Nicolas Cage Color Out of Space 11 2 3
12 Gary Oldman Mank 10 4 3
13 Clayne Crawford The Killing of Two Lovers 10 2 2
14 Louis C.K. Sincerely Louis CK 10 1 1 Perception de Ambiguity
14 Joel Lamangan The Halt / Ang Hupa 10 1 1 OldAle1
14 David Thewlis Guest of Honour 10 1 1 Silga
17 Lin-Manuel Miranda Hamilton 8 2 5
18 Matthew McConaughey The Gentlemen 7 2 7
19 Sope Dirisu His House 7 2 6
20 Tom Hanks News of the World 6 2 7



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LEADING ACTRESS

RANKPERFORMER FILMPOINTS MENTIONS HIGHEST RANKING POSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 Carey Mulligan Promising Young Woman 55 9 1 Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech), Lakigigar, sol
2 Frances McDormand Nomadland 37 8 1 Silga
3 Elisabeth Moss The Invisible Man 34 5 1 Mysterious Dude, Teproc
4 Jessie Buckley I'm Thinking of Ending Things 32 6 3
5 Sidney Flanigan Never Rarely Sometimes Always 25 4 1 Good-Will-Harding
6 Paula Beer Undine 25 3 1 Ivan0716
7 Cristin Milioti Palm Springs 21 5 4
8 Sonoya Mizuno Devs 19 2 1 Perception de Ambiguity
9 Anya Taylor-Joy The Queen's Gambit 16 2 1 Rufus-T
10 Virginie Efira Bye Bye Morons / Adieu les cons 15 2 2
10 Odessa Young The Giant 15 2 2
12 Betty Gilpin The Hunt 14 3 2
12 Elisabeth Moss Shirley 14 3 2
14 Julia Garner The Assistant 14 2 2
15 Yeri Han Minari 12 3 3
16 Radha Blank The Forty-Year-Old Version 12 2 3
17 Evan Rachel Wood Kajillionaire 11 3 4
18 Vanessa Kirby Pieces of a Woman 11 2 3
19 Tamsin Greig Belgravia 10 1 1 AB537
19 Aubrey Plaza Black Bear 10 1 1 TraverseTown
19 Dongyu Zhou Better Days / Shaonian de ni 10 1 1 OldAle1
22 Viola Davis Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 9 3 5
22 Jasna Djuricic Quo vadis, Aida? 9 3 5
24 Kate Winslet Ammonite 9 2 5
25 Anya Taylor-Joy Emma. 8 2 7
26 Michelle Pfeiffer French Exit 7 2 6
27 Andrea Riseborough Possessor 6 2 6
28 Nita-Josee Hanna Psycho Goreman 3 1 1 mightysparks



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SUPPORTING ACTOR

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 David Strathairn Nomadland 27 6 1 Mysterious Dude
2 Clarke Peters Da 5 Bloods 25 4 1 Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech)
3 Paul Raci Sound of Metal 22 3 1 Good-Will-Harding, Rufus-T
4 Richard Jenkins Kajillionaire 21 5 2
5 J.K. Simmons Palm Springs 21 4 4
6 David Thewlis I'm Thinking of Ending Things 17 4 1 Ivan0716
7 Chadwick Boseman Da 5 Bloods 16 3 3
8 Robert Pattinson Tenet 16 2 2
9 Leslie Odom Jr. Hamilton 14 2 2
10 Hugh Grant The Gentlemen 13 3 3
11 Leslie Odom Jr. One Night in Miami... 12 2 2
12 Orion Lee First Cow 12 2 5
13 Nick Offerman Devs 11 2 1 Perception de Ambiguity
14 Mark Rylance The Trial of the Chicago 7 11 2 2
15 Sacha Baron Cohen The Trial of the Chicago 7 11 2 5
16 Bo Burnham Promising Young Woman 10 4 5
17 Peter Dinklage I Care a Lot 10 2 3
17 Bill Murray On the Rocks 10 2 3
19 Giancarlo Esposito Coda 10 1 1 Silga
19 Stephen McKinley Henderson Devs 10 1 1 TraverseTown
19 Michael Stuhlbarg Shirley 10 1 1 Teproc
19 Wil Wheaton Rent-a-Pal 10 1 1 sol
23 Bill Burr The King of Staten Island 9 2 3
24 Navid Mohammadzadeh Just 6.5 / Metri Shesh Va Nim 9 1 1 OldAle1
24 Tom Wilkinson Belgravia 9 1 1 AB537
26 Charles Dance Mank 7 2 7
27 Yahya Abdul-Mateen II The Trial of the Chicago 7 6 2 6
28 Daveed Diggs Hamilton 6 2 2
29 Adam Brooks Psycho Goreman 2 1 1 mightysparks



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SUPPORTING ACTRESS

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 Olivia Colman The Father 52 6 1 sol
2 Talia Ryder Never Rarely Sometimes Always 34 6 1 Good-Will-Harding
3 Maria Bakalova Borat Subsequent Moviefilm 30 5 1 Ebbywebby (proxy for kongs_speech)
4 Yuh-Jung Youn Minari 28 5 1 Mysterious Dude
5 Amanda Seyfried Mank 27 5 1 Teproc
6 Glenn Close Hillbilly Elegy 25 3 1 Rufus-T
7 Riley Keough Zola 23 3 2
8 Gina Rodriguez Kajillionaire 22 3 2
9 Toni Collette I'm Thinking of Ending Things 21 5 1 TraverseTown
10 Adèle Exarchopoulos Mandibles / Mandibules 17 2 1 OldAle1
11 Helena Zengel News of the World 16 5 4
12 Émilie Dequenne The Things We Say, the Things We Do / Les choses qu'on dit, les choses qu'on fait 15 2 3
13 Debra Winger Kajillionaire 12 4 6
14 Dianne Wiest I Care a Lot 11 2 2
15 Sen Fujimaru Red Post on Escher Street / Escher dori no akai posuto 10 1 1 Perception de Ambiguity
15 Katie Holmes Coda 10 1 1 Silga
15 Harriet Walter Belgravia 10 1 1 AB537
18 Miranda Hart Emma. 9 2 6
18 Olivia Williams The Father 9 2 6
20 Jeon Jong-seo The Call / Kol 9 1 1 Ivan0716
21 Alison Pill Devs 8 2 5
22 Masami Nagasawa Mother / Mother: Mazâ 8 2 3
23 Olivia Cooke Sound of Metal 7 2 6
24 Michelle Dockery The Gentlemen 2 2 10



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Thanks for the massive efforts Rufus !
I disliked Palm Springs and Promising young woman, The Father left me unconvinced, so I have never been so disconnected from a yearly top 5. At least there is the Kaufman which is great !
And a top 100 list is definitely leaving a lot to explore !
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Really exciting list, Rufus, and thank you for the hard work. Promising Young Woman is a fantastic winner, and probably the most important and relevant big film to come out in a long time - coupled with full-on badass Brechtian techniques. The more all-out Brechtian efforts, like my own number one, Uppercase Print, fared worse, but still a solid enough performance.

While American/English language centric I'm also happy to see a similar trend as on S&S with more films directed by women in the toplist. Three in the top 10 and nine in the top 30 is pretty damn incredible.

Top 30 films I'm yet to see:

5. Palm Springs (Will see it for Sol)
12. Sound of Metal (Very interested)
14. The Woman Who Ran (Low expectations)
17. The Invisible Man (Low expectations)
19. Da 5 Bloods (Low expectations)
20. Shiva Baby (Very interested)
22. City Hall (Not a priority)
27. The Hunt (Not a priority)
30. The Last Dance (Not a priority)
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YES, results. Thank you very much for organizing and all users for participating, this will be a worthy source for my retrospect in the year's end. :thumbsup:

Oh man, I'm very split about the top entries ..

1. Promising Young Woman -> too flawed to get a straight 7/10 from me, even more so annoyed by the hype
2. The Father -> very impressed by this one, easy 8/10, and it lost with 181:177 points - noo!
3. I'm Thinking of Ending Things -> huge disappointment for me as a devoted Kaufman fan; interesting to think about, a drag to watch
4. Nomadland -> totally liked it, shouldn't have won that many prizes though as it's not that special, come on
5. Palm Springs & 6. Never Rarely -> absolutely loved both

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PYW and Carey. So glad I managed to vote! :wub:
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St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 9:17 am Promising Young Woman [...] coupled with full-on badass Brechtian techniques.
I dont know what you have in mind but if you think "breaking the fourth wall" when she is looking at the camera, it is only Brechtian if it creates a distance that makes us think. Here it just drags us in, like the twists of the script and all the gloss of a modern rape and revenge flick aimed at a young crowd.
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hurluberlu wrote: September 6th, 2021, 7:49 pm
St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 9:17 am Promising Young Woman [...] coupled with full-on badass Brechtian techniques.
I dont know what you have in mind but if you think "breaking the fourth wall" when she is looking at the camera, it is only Brechtian if it creates a distance that makes us think. Here it just drags us in, like the twists of the script and all the gloss of a modern rape and revenge flick aimed at a young crowd.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it Brechtian, but there are several other aspects of the films that could qualify, namely the whole Bo Burnham subplot and the basic concept of what she does (or doesn't do) to these men she "catches".
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Thanks Mr. Firefly. I won't say I feel quite the opposite reaction that hurlu has, but this actually matches up with my own list a lot more than I would have guessed - the top 7 here are all among my top 13, and the only one of the top 20 that I've seen and was really unresponsive to was Druk. That probably speaks to more people having more access to the same limited pool of English-language films than anything else, more obviously the case this past year than in previous ones. Then too the ever-fracturing cinematic landscape due to streaming and downloading and whatnot surely contributes - I had 3 Filipino films on my list for example, and it looks like none of them got any other votes. All were easy enough to find, but others just watched other things, things that I didn't bother with. That's the case every year of course but I think more so all the time.

Anyway, lots of films to look into and possibly add to my to-see list for the future, which to my mind is always the best purpose of these lists, especially the recent year ones.
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hurluberlu wrote: September 6th, 2021, 7:49 pm
St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 9:17 am Promising Young Woman [...] coupled with full-on badass Brechtian techniques.
I dont know what you have in mind but if you think "breaking the fourth wall" when she is looking at the camera, it is only Brechtian if it creates a distance that makes us think. Here it just drags us in, like the twists of the script and all the gloss of a modern rape and revenge flick aimed at a young crowd.
It is mainly the way it actively engages us in a conversation about the film and its content while we are watching it. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "draws us in", Brecthisn techniques can be very immersive - but in a different way. When you watch Promising Young Woman you are not being immersed in the story, but it's concepts and form - while consistently reminding you that you are watching a film, with glossy colours, jarring music choices, tongue in cheek moments, title cards, and previously referenced neta elements.
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Thanks, Rufus.

I am planning to start the 1967 poll later this week.
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I'm at 39/100.
The highest film I voted for was The Empty Man at #33.
8 of my 20 films made final 100 list.

Highest I haven't seen are:
#7 - There Is No Evil (Never even heard of this before this poll, excited to watch)
#11 - Undine (Just procrastinating. I love Petzold's previous two films. I even had the chance to see this one in theaters but I was too tired that day lol)
#16 - Lovers Rock (I saw one of the other Small Axe films but just haven't gotten around to the others)
#19 - Da 5 Bloods (Will definitely get to this one, I was just turned off the by length)
#22 - City Hall (Believe it or not, I've never seen a Wiseman film before. Is this a good place to start?)

Thanks, Rufus, this is incredibly helpful for guiding my watchlist. Maybe when we finally get to the first edition of our 2020s Decade poll I'll be very ready (I want it in 2022 because I already have nearly 200 checks from this decade, but understandable if it's not til 2023).
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8/20 films from my ballot made it into the Top 100.

I've only seen 15/100 from the final list.

The last two years I'm trying to watch less new releases so it is a logical outcome that I've missed most of the films from this list.
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I've seen 68 of the top 100. The highest I haven't seen is #23 - The Metamorphosis of Birds.
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Great job! I've seen exactly 50 of the top 100 films, so I have plenty to see yet. Most of my top twenty made it on the final list, with exclusions being The Nest, Rocks, Sorry We Missed You, and Martin Eden, the last two of which I believe made it onto our 2019 list.
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I've only seen 36/100 and I do focus on new films, clear sign 2020 was about streaming and not about cinemas, need more time to catch up... very uninspiring top10 though...
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Despite all the craziness last year, I am glad we are able to scrape together a list. We have fewer participants than previous, which I expected. More different films were mentioned, and from more countries. Most movies I never heard of before the poll.

From what I gather from the discussion in the nomination thread, I should check out FIrst Cow.

I also agree about the discussion about the 2020 film that the wide released pushed back to 2021 like A Quiet Place II. I don't think this happens that often in an ordinary year. Let's see how it goes with this year before deciding when to do the poll next year if we are to do one for 2021. I believe we can do it earlier next year.

Thanks you guys for making the year-end poll possible!

Also, just to repeat from the nomination thread, gromit82 and I are looking for extra help. If you or someone you know someone who enjoy doing poll like this and would be willing to volunteer some time (once every few months), please send gromit82 a PM. He & I will continue to post a note during the nomination thread.
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Rufus-T wrote: September 7th, 2021, 6:22 am Thanks you guys for making the year-end poll possible!
Thank you. :cheers: Can't complain about our top two, though I would reverse the order in a heartbeat.
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sol wrote: September 7th, 2021, 8:44 am
Rufus-T wrote: September 7th, 2021, 6:22 am Thanks you guys for making the year-end poll possible!
Thank you. :cheers: Can't complain about our top two, though I would reverse the order in a heartbeat.
Ah yeah. Before I start tabulating, I seriously thought The Father had it in the bag. If you remember last year, we also had a flip of expectation for the top two.
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Great work! But I got listed twice for ranking films #1? Hopefully you didn't count my "draft" list? I did state that it was just a draft list, and didn't post any links with it.

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St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 8:34 pm
hurluberlu wrote: September 6th, 2021, 7:49 pm
St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 9:17 am Promising Young Woman [...] coupled with full-on badass Brechtian techniques.
I dont know what you have in mind but if you think "breaking the fourth wall" when she is looking at the camera, it is only Brechtian if it creates a distance that makes us think. Here it just drags us in, like the twists of the script and all the gloss of a modern rape and revenge flick aimed at a young crowd.
It is mainly the way it actively engages us in a conversation about the film and its content while we are watching it. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "draws us in", Brecthisn techniques can be very immersive - but in a different way. When you watch Promising Young Woman you are not being immersed in the story, but it's concepts and form - while consistently reminding you that you are watching a film, with glossy colours, jarring music choices, tongue in cheek moments, title cards, and previously referenced neta elements.
It got an Oscar for best original screenplay so surely some people have found the story entertaining in a hollywoodian sense, a lot describing it as a thriller... I didnt feel challenged in the least bit, the only thing I wondered was indeed whether she would pull her revenge or not. I think it did leave all the interesting questions behind while giving a very mixed message on men, women and rape.
If Fenell does try to take an innovative approach on both story telling and thematic representation occasionally, she always retreats half-way leaving me that lukewarm feeling. You may like what the film could have been if fully accomplished.
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hurluberlu wrote: September 7th, 2021, 8:17 pm
St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 8:34 pm
hurluberlu wrote: September 6th, 2021, 7:49 pm

I dont know what you have in mind but if you think "breaking the fourth wall" when she is looking at the camera, it is only Brechtian if it creates a distance that makes us think. Here it just drags us in, like the twists of the script and all the gloss of a modern rape and revenge flick aimed at a young crowd.
It is mainly the way it actively engages us in a conversation about the film and its content while we are watching it. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "draws us in", Brecthisn techniques can be very immersive - but in a different way. When you watch Promising Young Woman you are not being immersed in the story, but it's concepts and form - while consistently reminding you that you are watching a film, with glossy colours, jarring music choices, tongue in cheek moments, title cards, and previously referenced neta elements.
It got an Oscar for best original screenplay so surely some people have found the story entertaining in a hollywoodian sense, a lot describing it as a thriller... I didnt feel challenged in the least bit, the only thing I wondered was indeed whether she would pull her revenge or not. I think it did leave all the interesting questions behind while giving a very mixed message on men, women and rape.
If Fenell does try to take an innovative approach on both story telling and thematic representation occasionally, she always retreats half-way leaving me that lukewarm feeling. You may like what the film could have been if fully accomplished.
Just to be clear, this is not a Guy Debord film, and I never claimed it to be. This is, of course, the entertaining pop variant, and by no means an essay work or on an extreme spectrum of Bretchianism - all I'm praising it for is how brilliantly it is using the techniques and just how great it is to see it done in such a huge work.

That said, I do disagree with most of your views here.

For starters, a great screenplay, or being acknowledge for having a great screenplay by the academy does not in any way mean the film is conventional or has a Hollywood Ian story. May I remind you that Pulp Fiction won best screenplay more than 25 years ago - and that is heavily indpired by JLG/The French New Wave, has no real story and is as close to experimental cinema mainstream hits can be.

The academy has also consistently, over the last decade, been nominating and awarding more difficult and artistic works than before. Hell, the previous winner of best original screenplay was Parasite, which was a heavily allegorical dissection of class relations.

However, to switch this around, why would having a challenging meta/Brecthian elements that engage the viewer in intellectual debate mean that the film has to be any less engaging. For starters, this is the height of excitement for me, personally, but the film also does it with so much style, winks and black comedy that it is endlessly entertaining. Obviously, I tend to think Godard hilarious, while many more narrative focused people don't, but just as Pulp Fiction's relation to experimental cinema, Promising Young Woman still managed to use the techniques in a way that is either engaging or does not stop the engagement among regular viewers - it really has it all

If you did not feel challenged, that's perfectly alright of course, though I think it is one of the most successfully challenging, intelligent and important films ever made. It is, to me, fully accomplished, and a near masterpiece. If anything the ending is a slight negative, but that is mainly from the perspective of reakism/narrative, rather than meta commentary and humour.

What it does, to perfection, and without any confusion, is to confront men, and to an extent women, on what is acceptable behavior, what is predatory behavior and what is to be tolerated. Reading Fennel's own thoughts on the film, she for instance specifically cast people who could have been, or have been, "romantic" leads, with the audience on their side. Take Christopher Mintz-Plasse from Super ad for instance, where the premise in part involved getting girls drunk to sleep with them. Promising Young Woman is forcing the viewers to confront the entire tendency and representation of sex and "conquest" in modern day Hollywood and the world at large - and other scenes, like with Adam Brody and others cut even deeper as so much good will is built up - looking more closely at the good guy trope. And then, of course, you have both the women ignoring the situation when and where it suits them, and how little such predatory encounters, up to and including rape actually means to the man and how they can go on just living their life. This discussion could not be timelier in our current climate and I think the fact that it enters this discussion, and does it in such an entertaining and clever way, is a stroke of genius.

Personally, I have to say that seeing it as just some revenge film is a grave mistake in terms of just how much it is possible to get from the film.
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St. Gloede wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:02 pm Just to be clear, this is not a Guy Debord film, and I never claimed it to be. This is, of course, the entertaining pop variant, and by no means an essay work or on an extreme spectrum of Bretchianism - all I'm praising it for is how brilliantly it is using the techniques and just how great it is to see it done in such a huge work.

That said, I do disagree with most of your views here.

For starters, a great screenplay, or being acknowledge for having a great screenplay by the academy does not in any way mean the film is conventional or has a Hollywood Ian story. May I remind you that Pulp Fiction won best screenplay more than 25 years ago - and that is heavily indpired by JLG/The French New Wave, has no real story and is as close to experimental cinema mainstream hits can be.

The academy has also consistently, over the last decade, been nominating and awarding more difficult and artistic works than before. Hell, the previous winner of best original screenplay was Parasite, which was heavily allegorical dissection of class relations.

However, to switch this around, why would having a challenging meta/Brecthian elements that engage the viewer in intellectual debate mean that the film has to be any less engaging. For starters, this is the height of excitement for me, personally, but the film also does it with so much style, winks and black comedy that it is endlessly entertaining. Obviously, I tend to think Godard hilarious, while many more narrative focused people don't, but just as Pulp Fiction's relation to experimental cinema, Promising Young Woman still managed to use the techniques in a way that is either engaging or does not stop the engagement among regular viewers - it really has it all

If you did not feel challenged, that's perfectly alright of course, though I think it is one of the most successfully challenging, intelligent and important films ever made. It is, to me, fully accomplished, and a near masterpiece. If anything the ending is a slight negative, but that is mainly from the perspective of reakism/narrative, rather than meta commentary and humour.

What it does, to perfection, and without any confusion, is to confront men, and to an extent women, on what is acceptable behavior, what is predatory behavior and what is to be tolerated. Reading Fennel's own thoughts on the film, she for instance specifically cast people who could have been, or have been, "romantic" leads, with the audience on their side. Take Christopher Mintz-Plasse from Super ad for instance, where the premise in part involved getting girls drunk to sleep with them. Promising Young Woman is forcing the viewers to confront the entire tendency and representation of sex and "conquest" in modern day Hollywood and the world at large - and other scenes, like with Adam Brody and others cut even deeper as so much good will is built up - looking more closely at the good guy trope. And then, of course, you have both the women ignoring the situation when and where it suits them, and how little such predatory encounters, up to and including rape actually means to the man and how they can go on just living their life. This discussion could not be timelier in our current climate and I think the fact that it enters this discussion, and does it in such an entertaining and clever way, is a stroke of genius.

Personally, I have to say that seeing it as just some revenge film is a grave mistake in terms of just how much it is possible to get from the film.
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St. Gloede wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:02 pm What it does, to perfection, and without any confusion, is to confront men, and to an extent women, on what is acceptable behavior, what is predatory behavior and what is to be tolerated. Reading Fennel's own thoughts on the film, she for instance specifically cast people who could have been, or have been, "romantic" leads, with the audience on their side. Take Christopher Mintz-Plasse from Super ad for instance, where the premise in part involved getting girls drunk to sleep with them. Promising Young Woman is forcing the viewers to confront the entire tendency and representation of sex and "conquest" in modern day Hollywood and the world at large - and other scenes, like with Adam Brody and others cut even deeper as so much good will is built up - looking more closely at the good guy trope. And then, of course, you have both the women ignoring the situation when and where it suits them, and how little such predatory encounters, up to and including rape actually means to the man and how they can go on just living their life. This discussion could not be timelier in our current climate and I think the fact that it enters this discussion, and does it in such an entertaining and clever way, is a stroke of genius.
All of this can be true - most of it is - and it still has a stupid ending :rolleyes: Thus - for a movie so much about a message - diluting the essence of the film. Topic/stance above execution. You do you ..
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outdoorcats wrote: September 7th, 2021, 6:49 pm Great work! But I got listed twice for ranking films #1? Hopefully you didn't count my "draft" list? I did state that it was just a draft list, and didn't post any links with it.
Oh oh oh

I tried my research on this by looking at the nominations thread (sorted by author - very useful).
Poll result #49 Tragic Jungle / Selva trágica is stated as having 3 voters with 34 points. I can, if I'm doing this right, only find it mentioned twice by name in the thread, both instances by you; once in the draft with 10 points (#1 of a top 10), once in your correct list with 19 points (#2 of a top 20). The third nomination would be Melvelet, who posted only IMDb urls, thus making it a bit harder to find in the thread .. #3 of a top 7 - 5 points. 19 + 10 + 5 = 34 points.

If this adds up, I would be very sad to conclude that the whole list has to be recalculated without your draft with Promising Young Woman (but not The Father) in it .. :ph43r:
(But the draft gives it only 2 points, effectively letting Fennell keep the throne, only even closer this time!)
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Gunda: ranked #44 with 36 points and 3 mentions. I can find it only 3 times in the thread: viktor-vaudevillain (#6 in a Top 20 = 15 points); in your draft (#5 in a Top 10 = 6 points) and in your final list (#6 in a Top 20 = 15 points, again). Bingo, 36 points altogether. Bingo, highest rank stated as "5th", which only happened in your fictional draft, so it must be "ranked highest: 6th".

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outdoorcats wrote: September 7th, 2021, 6:49 pm Great work! But I got listed twice for ranking films #1? Hopefully you didn't count my "draft" list? I did state that it was just a draft list, and didn't post any links with it.
Okay. Thanks for pointing it out. Yes, it was included. Now fixed.

- Promising Young Woman still barely hang on to #1
- There Is No Evil and Minari switched spot for #7 and #8
- Small Axe: Lovers Rock dropped to #20
- Gunda,Tragic Jungle, and New Order also dropped their spots

IMDb & ICM lists in the links are also fixed.
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St. Gloede wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:02 pm
hurluberlu wrote: September 7th, 2021, 8:17 pm
St. Gloede wrote: September 6th, 2021, 8:34 pm

It is mainly the way it actively engages us in a conversation about the film and its content while we are watching it. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "draws us in", Brecthisn techniques can be very immersive - but in a different way. When you watch Promising Young Woman you are not being immersed in the story, but it's concepts and form - while consistently reminding you that you are watching a film, with glossy colours, jarring music choices, tongue in cheek moments, title cards, and previously referenced neta elements.
It got an Oscar for best original screenplay so surely some people have found the story entertaining in a hollywoodian sense, a lot describing it as a thriller... I didnt feel challenged in the least bit, the only thing I wondered was indeed whether she would pull her revenge or not. I think it did leave all the interesting questions behind while giving a very mixed message on men, women and rape.
If Fenell does try to take an innovative approach on both story telling and thematic representation occasionally, she always retreats half-way leaving me that lukewarm feeling. You may like what the film could have been if fully accomplished.
For starters, a great screenplay, or being acknowledge for having a great screenplay by the academy does not in any way mean the film is conventional or has a Hollywood Ian story. May I remind you that Pulp Fiction won best screenplay more than 25 years ago - and that is heavily indpired by JLG/The French New Wave, has no real story and is as close to experimental cinema mainstream hits can be.

The academy has also consistently, over the last decade, been nominating and awarding more difficult and artistic works than before. Hell, the previous winner of best original screenplay was Parasite, which was a heavily allegorical dissection of class relations.
Sure but that was not really the point. I mentioned the Academy award as a proof that the story responded to industry standards in terms of entertainment and narrative immersion, which sounds far from any Brechtian true reference to me but does not contradict being innovative on some aspects, as Pulp Fiction and Parasite were in their times.
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:cheers: Rufus for taking this on - an especially challenging year - but some great recs - much I'd never heard of.

No probs with PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN winning although not my favourite - indeed a difficult film to "like",,, but cetainly an audacious, provocative and accomplished piece of cinema. Curious to revisit but a bit concerned some plot contrivances may not bear the scrutiny. Question: How was the final text timed so well... or was it luck?
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I didn't know the round I participated in, was also the latest round, which means the concept changed. I voted only for actress because I thought it was a nomination process. But well yeah ok. They did pretty well (Mulligan & McDormand).
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Lakigigar wrote: September 14th, 2021, 5:22 pm I didn't know the round I participated in, was also the latest round, which means the concept changed.
It appears to me that last year's process was pretty much the same as this year's: there was a nominations thread followed by a results thread, with no "voting" thread in between. Perhaps you're thinking of brokenface's "awards game," which is a different game, and did include a nominations thread and a voting thread, followed by results.
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Mysterious Dude wrote: September 15th, 2021, 1:17 pm
Lakigigar wrote: September 14th, 2021, 5:22 pm I didn't know the round I participated in, was also the latest round, which means the concept changed.
It appears to me that last year's process was pretty much the same as this year's: there was a nominations thread followed by a results thread, with no "voting" thread in between. Perhaps you're thinking of brokenface's "awards game," which is a different game, and did include a nominations thread and a voting thread, followed by results.
The last time i participated was a few years ago. Yes, i think i'm thinking of brokenface's awards game.
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