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Year-by-Year Polls: 1998 (Results)

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These are the results for the 1998 poll.

Total number of voters: 66 (63 ranked, 3 unranked)
Total number of films receiving votes: 276

Thank you to these 66 participants:

1SO, AB537, Angel Glez, beasterne, beavis, Bing147, blocho, brokenface, Caracortada, Carmel1379, cayado-coro, cinewest, connordenney, Coop032, DudeLanez, Fergenaprido, filmbantha, frbrown, George Eastman, Good_Will_Harding, Gordon_Gekko, gromit82, GruesomeTwosome, hurluberlu, insomnius, Ivan0716, jeff_v, joachimt, klaus78, kongs_speech, lapluiedete, Leopardi, lineuphere, Lonewolf2003, Mario Gaborović, maxwelldeux, Melvelet, monclivie, morrison-dylan-fan, murnaunosferatu, Mysterious Dude, OldAle1, Onderhond, Opio, ororama, ozymandias, peeptoad, perceval, pitchorneirda, prodigalgodson, rnilsson19, RogerTheMovieManiac88, Rufus-T, Smoover, sol, St. Gloede, Teproc, timshelboy, TiRex, tobias, Torgo, Traveller, TraverseTown, viktor-vaudevillain, zomgmouse, zzzorf

Films with the minimum of 3 votes or ranked as #1 are listed.

Tie breaker is # of mentions followed by the film with higher ranking and then by number of IMDb votes

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ICM FORUM'S FAVORITE FILMS FROM 1998

RANK FILM (2011 POLL RANKING) DIRECTOR(S) POINTS MENTIONS HIGHEST RANKING IMDb VOTES POSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1 LINK
1 The Big Lebowski (2) Ethan Coen, Joel Coen 543 39 1 741,263 AB537, Bing147, blocho, brokenface, GruesomeTwosome, maxwelldeux, murnaunosferatu, peeptoad, prodigalgodson, rnilsson19, Torgo :imdb:
2 The Thin Red Line (1) Terrence Malick 430 31 1 174,748 cinewest, connordenney, Good_Will_Harding, Lonewolf2003, Opio, tobias :imdb:
3 The Celebration / Festen (8) Thomas Vinterberg 404 31 1 79,459 Caracortada, DudeLanez, Gordon_Gekko, lineuphere :imdb:
4 The Truman Show (6) Peter Weir 348.5 31 1 955,441 beasterne, TiRex :imdb:
5 Rushmore (23) Wes Anderson 345 31 1 171,621 jeff_v, klaus78 :imdb:
6 Happiness (3) Todd Solondz 322.5 28 1 66,928 joachimt, Leopardi, monclivie, St. Gloede :imdb:
7 Run Lola Run / Lola rennt (5) Tom Tykwer 307 27 1 189,542 1SO :imdb:
8 Saving Private Ryan (4) Steven Spielberg 287.5 24 1 1,253,471 Coop032, Rufus-T :imdb:
9 Pi (15) Darren Aronofsky 257 25 1 171,250 Mysterious Dude, Onderhond :imdb:
10 Show Me Love / Fucking Åmål (13) Lukas Moodysson 247 25 1 50,182 kongs_speech :imdb:
11 Buffalo '66 (31) Vincent Gallo 214.5 26 1 48,559 frbrown, Mario Gaborović :imdb:
12 Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (17) Terry Gilliam 205 21 1 262,163 sol :imdb:
13 American History X (11) Tony Kaye 205 20 1 1,045,248 filmbantha, zzzorf :imdb:
14 After Life / Wandafuru raifu Hirokazu Koreeda 191 17 1 10,402 zomgmouse :imdb:
15 The Hole / Dong Ming-liang Tsai 189 17 1 3,509 lapluiedete :imdb:
16 Dark City (9) Alex Proyas 186.5 21 1 189,335 Smoover :imdb:
17 Pleasantville (14) Gary Ross 180 16 2 122,361 :imdb:
18 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (24) Guy Ritchie 164 16 2 541,527 :imdb:
19 Flowers of Shanghai / Hai shang hua (20) Hsiao-Hsien Hou 140 15 1 2,648 Traveller :imdb:
20 Autumn Tale / Conte d'automne (30) Éric Rohmer 139 15 2 4,641 :imdb:
21 Eternity and a Day / Mia aioniotita kai mia mera (26) Theodoros Angelopoulos 138 14 2 10,947 :imdb:
22 Lovers of the Arctic Circle / Los amantes del Círculo Polar Julio Medem 131.5 12 3 18,179 :imdb:
23 The Idiots / Idioterne (33) Lars von Trier 129 13 2 30,065 :imdb:
24 A Simple Plan (10) Sam Raimi 126 14 2 64,583 :imdb:
25 I Stand Alone / Seul contre tous Gaspar Noé 124 14 3 21,240 :imdb:
26 Black Cat, White Cat / Crna macka, beli macor (22) Emir Kusturica 116.5 12 4 51,346 :imdb:
27 Central Station / Central do Brasil (16) Walter Salles 110.5 14 1 36,905 hurluberlu :imdb:
28 Shakespeare in Love (12) John Madden 103 11 3 215,599 :imdb:
29 Out of Sight (27) Steven Soderbergh 101 14 4 87,053 :imdb:
30 Khrustalyov, My Car! / Khrustalyov, mashinu! Aleksey German 99 10 1 1,631 Ivan0716 :imdb:
31 Ronin John Frankenheimer 94.5 9 3 173,827 :imdb:
32 Ringu Hideo Nakata 90 13 7 64,545 :imdb:
33 Velvet Goldmine (29) Todd Haynes 87 9 2 34,018 :imdb:
34 Secret défense Jacques Rivette 86.5 9 1 754 pitchorneirda :imdb:
35 The Negotiator F. Gary Gray 84.5 9 1 131,909 George Eastman :imdb:
36 There's Something About Mary Bobby Farrelly, Peter Farrelly 77.5 8 2 293,272 :imdb:
37 Following Christopher Nolan 76 10 9 87,973 :imdb:
38 A Bug's Life John Lasseter, Andrew Stanton 74 8 7 269,373 :imdb:
39 You've Got Mail Nora Ephron 73 6 4 197,746 :imdb:
40 The Mask of Zorro Martin Campbell 72.5 6 1 170,748 morrison-dylan-fan :imdb:
41 Wild Things (34) John McNaughton 72 7 2 109,961 :imdb:
42 My Name Is Joe Ken Loach 69.5 6 3 7,839 :imdb:
43 The Last Days of Disco (21) Whit Stillman 67.5 8 2 12,299 :imdb:
44 Sombre Philippe Grandrieux 67 5 1 1,530 beavis, viktor-vaudevillain :imdb:
45 New Rose Hotel Abel Ferrara 66 7 1 4,659 TraverseTown :imdb:
46 April Story / Shigatsu monogatari Shunji Iwai 62 4 1 2,993 ozymandias :imdb:
47 42 Up Michael Apted 60 5 4 2,485 :imdb:
48 Croupier Mike Hodges 57 6 2 18,796 :imdb:
49 Alone. Life Wastes Andy Hardy * Martin Arnold 54 5 4 490 :imdb:
50 The Bird People in China / Chûgoku no chôjin Takashi Miike 54 4 5 4,472 :imdb:
51 Christmas in August / Palwolui Keuriseumaseu Jin-ho Hur 53.5 6 5 3,352 :imdb:
52 The Apple / Sib (28) Samira Makhmalbaf 52 6 2 2,237 :imdb:
53 Beloved Jonathan Demme 52 3 1 7,157 Teproc :imdb:
54 Gods and Monsters (7) Bill Condon 51.5 7 8 29,448 :imdb:
55 Serial Experiments Lain Ryûtarô Nakamura, Lia Sargent, Jôhei Matsuura, Akihiko Nishiyama 51 5 4 11,326 :imdb:
56 The Faculty Robert Rodriguez 50.5 7 6 112,211 :imdb:
57 More * Mark Osborne 49 6 5 5,575 :imdb:
58 Pickpocket / Xiao Wu (32) Zhangke Jia 48 6 3 2,176 :imdb:
59 He Got Game Spike Lee 48 4 5 44,931 :imdb:
60 The Rose Seller / La vendedora de rosas Víctor Gaviria 47 4 1 1,790 Melvelet :imdb:
61 Passion / Szenvedély György Fehér 47 4 3 165 :imdb:
62 Bulworth Warren Beatty 44 6 6 24,846 :imdb:
63 The Silence / Sokout Mohsen Makhmalbaf 44 4 2 1,521 :imdb:
64 The Red Violin / Le violon rouge (25) François Girard 44 3 4 31,836 :imdb:
65 Blade Stephen Norrington 42 4 6 248,246 :imdb:
66 The Dreamlife of Angels / La vie rêvée des anges Erick Zonca 42 4 6 7,244 :imdb:
67 Mulan Tony Bancroft, Barry Cook 41 5 4 260,428 :imdb:
68 The Quiet Family / Choyonghan kajok Jee-woon Kim 41 5 4 4,703 :imdb:
69 The Prince of Egypt Brenda Chapman, Steve Hickner, Simon Wells 41 4 4 120,503 :imdb:
70 Late August, Early September / Fin août, début septembre Olivier Assayas 41 3 4 1,435 :imdb:
71 Variations * Nathaniel Dorsky 41 3 2 64 :imdb:
72 Anxiety / Inquietude (36) Manoel de Oliveira 40 4 1 328 OldAle1 :imdb:
73 Enemy of the State Tony Scott 40 4 4 229,167 :imdb:
74 The Interview Craig Monahan 37 3 3 8,065 :imdb:
75 BASEketball David Zucker 36 3 2 57,159 :imdb:
76 Train of Life / Train de vie Radu Mihaileanu 35 3 1 8,821 Fergenaprido :imdb:
77 The Book of Life Hal Hartley 35 3 6 1,826 :imdb:
78 Elizabeth (19) Shekhar Kapur 34 4 10 93,953 :imdb:
79 The Dinner Game / Le dîner de cons Francis Veber 33 4 6 37,804 :imdb:
80 Your Friends and Neighbors Neil LaBute 33 3 5 7,737 :imdb:
81 Waking Ned Devine / Waking Ned Kirk Jones 32.5 4 4 25,410 :imdb:
82 Earth Deepa Mehta 31 3 5 7,466 :imdb:
83 Sliding Doors Peter Howitt 30 3 7 64,176 :imdb:
84 West Beirut / West Beyrouth (À l'abri les enfants) Ziad Doueiri 29.5 3 8 3,724 :imdb:
85 The Horse Whisperer Robert Redford 29 3 8 39,254 :imdb:
86 Babe: Pig in the City George Miller 29 3 5 31,850 :imdb:
87 Rounders John Dahl 28 5 8 143,117 :imdb:
88 Places in Cities / Plätze in Städten Angela Schanelec 28 3 6 120 :imdb:
89 Snake Eyes Brian De Palma 27.5 3 11 76,296 :imdb:
90 Divorce Iranian Style Kim Longinotto, Ziba Mir-Hosseini 27 4 6 417 :imdb:
91 The Longest Summer / Hui nin yin fa dak bit doh Fruit Chan 27 2 1 383 ororama :imdb:
92 Primary Colors (35) Mike Nichols 26.5 4 12 27,543 :imdb:
93 The Parent Trap Nancy Meyers 25 4 14 122,641 :imdb:
94 Gasman * Lynne Ramsay 25 4 2 1,361 :imdb:
95 Last Night (38) Don McKellar 24 4 12 9,331 :imdb:
96 The Wedding Singer Frank Coraci 24 3 3 136,439 :imdb:
97 Dr. Akagi / Kanzô sensei Shôhei Imamura 23 3 19 1,453 :imdb:
98 Site Visit * Maia Cybelle Carpenter 23 2 1 6 RogerTheMovieManiac88 :imdb:
99 Goshogaoka Sharon Lockhart 22 2 1 49 perceval :imdb:
100 The Last Days James Moll 20 1 1 1,831 gromit82 :imdb:
101 Talking Heads 2 Stuart Burge, Patrick Garland, Gavin Millar, Tristram Powell, Udayan Prasad 20 1 1 167 timshelboy :imdb:
102 One * Fred Worden 20 1 1 0 insomnius :imdb:
103 A Perfect Murder Andrew Davis 19 3 12 80,216 :imdb:
104 Kirikou and the Sorceress / Kirikou et la sorcière Raymond Burlet, Michel Ocelot 19 3 5 8,991 :imdb:
105 The Adopted Son / Beshkempir Aktan Arym Kubat 16.5 3 16 540 :imdb:
106 Deep Impact Mimi Leder 13 3 10 166,279 :imdb:
107 The Power of Kangwon Province / Kangwon-do ui him Sang-soo Hong 12 4 4 767 :imdb:


Results as an ICM list
Results as an IMDb list

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Films that received 1st place votes

(ranked in order of number of first place votes received, then by number of points)

11 - The Big Lebowski - AB537, Bing147, blocho, brokenface, GruesomeTwosome, maxwelldeux, murnaunosferatu, peeptoad, prodigalgodson, rnilsson19, Torgo
6 - The Thin Red Line - cinewest, connordenney, Good_Will_Harding, Lonewolf2003, Opio, tobias
4 - The Celebration / Festen - Caracortada, DudeLanez, Gordon_Gekko, lineuphere
4 - Happiness - joachimt, Leopardi, monclivie, St. Gloede
2 - The Truman Show - beasterne, TiRex
2 - Rushmore - jeff_v, klaus78
2 - Saving Private Ryan - Coop032, Rufus-T
2 - Pi - Mysterious Dude, Onderhond
2 - Buffalo '66 - frbrown, Mario Gaborović
2 - American History X - filmbantha, zzzorf
2 - Sombre - beavis, viktor-vaudevillain
1 - Run Lola Run / Lola rennt - 1SO
1 - Show Me Love / Fucking Åmål - kongs_speech
1 - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - sol
1 - After Life / Wandafuru raifu - zomgmouse
1 - The Hole / Dong - lapluiedete
1 - Dark City - Smoover
1 - Flowers of Shanghai / Hai shang hua - Traveller
1 - Central Station / Central do Brasil - hurluberlu
1 - Khrustalyov, My Car! / Khrustalyov, mashinu! - Ivan0716
1 - Secret défense - pitchorneirda
1 - The Negotiator - George Eastman
1 - The Mask of Zorro - morrison-dylan-fan
1 - New Rose Hotel - TraverseTown
1 - April Story / Shigatsu monogatari - ozymandias
1 - Beloved - Teproc
1 - The Rose Seller / La vendedora de rosas - Melvelet
1 - Anxiety / Inquietude - OldAle1
1 - Train of Life / Train de vie - Fergenaprido
1 - The Longest Summer / Hui nin yin fa dak bit doh - ororama
1 - Site Visit - RogerTheMovieManiac88
1 - Goshogaoka - perceval
1 - The Last Days - gromit82
1 - Talking Heads 2 - timshelboy
1 - One - insomnius

Unranked ballots: Angel Glez, Carmel1379, cayado-coro

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Awards

Oscar

2. The Thin Red Line
8. Saving Private Ryan
28. Shakespeare in Love, WINNER
78. Elizabeth
-- Life Is Beautiful - a 1997 film on IMDb

Cannes

21. Eternity and a Day / Mia aioniotita kai mia mera (1998 Palme d'Or)

Berlin

27. Central Station / Central do Brasil (1998 Golden Berlin Bear winner)

2. The Thin Red Line (1999 Golden Berlin Bear winner)

Venice

-- The Way We Laughed / Così ridevano (1998 Golden Lion winner) - 0 mention


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Comparing to the top 10 most voted films at IMDb

1. Saving Private Ryan (1,253,471) - 24 mentions, 287.5 points, ranked #8
2. American History X (1,045,248) - 20 mentions, 205 points, ranked #13
3. The Truman Show (955,441) - 31 mentions, 348.5 points, ranked #4
4. The Big Lebowski (741,263) - 39 mentions, 543 points, ranked #1
5. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (541,527) - 16 mentions, 164 points, ranked #18
6. Armageddon (398,925) - 2 mentions, 3 points
7. There's Something About Mary (293,272) - 8 mentions, 77.5 points, ranked #36
8. A Bug's Life (269,373) - 8 mentions, 74 points, ranked #38
9. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (262,163) - 21 mentions, 205 points, ranked #12
10. Mulan (260,428) - 5 mentions, 41 points, ranked #67


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Breakdown by primary nations

Number of countries: 38

# of films ____ Country
130 __________ USA
21 ___________ France
20 ___________ Japan, UK
6 ____________ Canada
5 ____________ Australia, Germany, Hong Kong, Iran, Russia, South Korea, Sweden
4 ____________ China
3 ____________ Brazil, Netherlands, Switzerland, Taiwan, Yugoslavia
2 ____________ Argentina, Denmark, India, Portugal, Spain
1 ____________ Austria, Colombia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Greenland, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Kyrgyzstan, Mexico, Philippines, Turkey


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The next poll will be for 1933 followed by 1950.
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Thanks, Rufus.

I will probably start the 1933 poll within a few days.
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Hi Rufus, there is something wrong with my ballot!?

Secret défense should be my #1. The results say it's Dong [The Hole] but I didn't vote for it at all.
I double checked in the nominations thread and there's nothing wrong on my side, each IMDb link is correct
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The top 13 received over 20 votes, ten of them being English language films, so I understand a bit why Angel votes how he does, though he ends up penalizing a lot of the wrong films.
Have to admit, I have thought about eliminating all English language films from my ballots just to try and make up for the imbalance that exists in these polls, but I can’t quite bring myself to do it, especially when Thin Red Line is my favorite film of the year.
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Yay, lesbians in the top 10! :wub: :poshclap:
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pitchorneirda wrote: April 19th, 2021, 6:36 am Hi Rufus, there is something wrong with my ballot!?

Secret défense should be my #1. The results say it's Dong [The Hole] but I didn't vote for it at all.
I double checked in the nominations thread and there's nothing wrong on my side, each IMDb link is correct
A list in your later post in a reply was used instead of your original list. Fixed. Thanks for bringing to attention.
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Thanks for hosting, Rufus!

Interesting to see Festen grow so much. Wonder if it has anything to do with Another Round.

BTW, Tsai and Koreeda were switched (and seemingly first time entrants as well - surprising, but really happy to see such a jump for each)
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Rufus-T wrote: April 19th, 2021, 5:43 pm
pitchorneirda wrote: April 19th, 2021, 6:36 am Hi Rufus, there is something wrong with my ballot!?

Secret défense should be my #1. The results say it's Dong [The Hole] but I didn't vote for it at all.
I double checked in the nominations thread and there's nothing wrong on my side, each IMDb link is correct
A list in your later post in a reply was used instead of your original list. Fixed. Thanks for bringing to attention.
Did you fix the iCM-list as well?
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cinewest wrote: April 19th, 2021, 8:39 am The top 13 received over 20 votes, ten of them being English language films, so I understand a bit why Angel votes how he does, though he ends up penalizing a lot of the wrong films.
Have to admit, I have thought about eliminating all English language films from my ballots just to try and make up for the imbalance that exists in these polls, but I can’t quite bring myself to do it, especially when Thin Red Line is my favorite film of the year.
That Angel is a damn anti-establishment, he prefers the 1964 version of TRL! :lol:
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joachimt wrote: April 19th, 2021, 5:48 pm
Rufus-T wrote: April 19th, 2021, 5:43 pm
pitchorneirda wrote: April 19th, 2021, 6:36 am Hi Rufus, there is something wrong with my ballot!?

Secret défense should be my #1. The results say it's Dong [The Hole] but I didn't vote for it at all.
I double checked in the nominations thread and there's nothing wrong on my side, each IMDb link is correct
A list in your later post in a reply was used instead of your original list. Fixed. Thanks for bringing to attention.
Did you fix the iCM-list as well?
Yep. Everything fixed.
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St. Gloede wrote: April 19th, 2021, 5:47 pm BTW, Tsai and Koreeda were switched
Switched back. Thanks.
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Thanks, Rufus-T! Looking forward to the next one...
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cinewest wrote: April 19th, 2021, 8:39 am The top 13 received over 20 votes, ten of them being English language films, so I understand a bit why Angel votes how he does, though he ends up penalizing a lot of the wrong films.
Have to admit, I have thought about eliminating all English language films from my ballots just to try and make up for the imbalance that exists in these polls, but I can’t quite bring myself to do it, especially when Thin Red Line is my favorite film of the year.
Um yeah, and then what? Then films like Thin Red Line, Buffalo '66, Pi and Happiness are punished because they are filmed in the English language, or worse, come from the USA. How they have less right to appear in the Top 20 than some Åmål, Rohmer, Lola Rennt or Hongkong film is truly beyond my understanding.

But then, I probably don't qualify as a cinephile to some and find this kind of vote manipulation to be highly counter-intuitive. "Thin Red Line is my favorite film of the year, BUT .." :shrug:
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St. Gloede wrote: April 19th, 2021, 5:47 pm Interesting to see Festen grow so much. Wonder if it has anything to do with Another Round.
Hm, I can only speak for myself, Festen has always been a favorite here, haven't seen Druk yet.

The increases for Rushmore (from 23 to 5) and Buffalo '66 (from 31 to 11) are even more striking in my opinion. As for every poll in our forum .. voter fluctuation, I assume?
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Thanks for hosting, Rufus. I love how you present the results.

I'm happy to see 'Site Visit' crack the Top 100. I'm guessing insomnius was the other supporter of Maïa Cybelle Carpenter's dazzling experimentation.

Not my favourite cinematic year by any means, but these polls and results are always a lot of fun.

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What a great year for movies. Thanks for all of your work, Rufus.
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Rufus-T wrote: April 19th, 2021, 3:45 am
23 A Simple Plan (10) Lars von Trier 129 13 2 30,065 :imdb:
24 I Stand Alone / Seul contre tous Sam Raimi 126 14 2 64,583 :imdb:
25 The Idiots / Idioterne (33) Gaspar Noé 124 14 3 21,240 :imdb:
Think something's gone wrong with the directors here though these versions could be fun!
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: April 19th, 2021, 11:02 pm I'm happy to see 'Site Visit' crack the Top 100. I'm guessing insomnius was the other supporter of Maïa Cybelle Carpenter's dazzling experimentation.
You guessed it. :cheers:


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Great presentation, thanks Rufus. Very interesting results.
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Who knew Lebowski was so popular? Expected a Thin Red Line victory hands down
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Should have voted. Interesting results though.
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brokenface wrote: April 20th, 2021, 6:29 am
Rufus-T wrote: April 19th, 2021, 3:45 am
23 A Simple Plan (10) Lars von Trier 129 13 2 30,065 :imdb:
24 I Stand Alone / Seul contre tous Sam Raimi 126 14 2 64,583 :imdb:
25 The Idiots / Idioterne (33) Gaspar Noé 124 14 3 21,240 :imdb:
Think something's gone wrong with the directors here though these versions could be fun!
:lol: Awesome.
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yllow wrote: April 20th, 2021, 12:19 pm Who knew Lebowski was so popular? Expected a Thin Red Line victory hands down
It is on forum's most favourite top 100 and is regularly quoted; the fan base is solid. What I am suprised of is that it does better here than on IMDb FG when we did the poll last.
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brokenface wrote: April 20th, 2021, 6:29 am
Rufus-T wrote: April 19th, 2021, 3:45 am
23 A Simple Plan (10) Lars von Trier 129 13 2 30,065 :imdb:
24 I Stand Alone / Seul contre tous Sam Raimi 126 14 2 64,583 :imdb:
25 The Idiots / Idioterne (33) Gaspar Noé 124 14 3 21,240 :imdb:
Think something's gone wrong with the directors here though these versions could be fun!
Thanks for point out. That is what happen tried to cut corner in revising quickly with a different ballot. The order of some film titles got switched around. This should be correct this time along with the IMDb and iCM list.

I would say, Lars von Trier directing A Simple Plan would be very interesting. Some very controversial scenes, I bet, and Bridget Fonda may go at least simple nude.
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Rufus-T wrote: April 19th, 2021, 3:45 am Films that received 1st place votes

2 - Pi - Mysterious Dude, Onderhond
I never thought Onderhond and I would agree about anything.
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Thanks Rufus! No huge surprises. I continue to be disappointed at the continuing lack of love for Inquietude and Beloved, IMO the best, or very close to the best films from their respective directors but far from the most admired or seen. I've seen all the top 22, and the vast majority of those down to 50 and while I still have some to see that look potentially great - Sombre in particular seems like something I might connect with - this year continues to feel thin for me. More work to do!
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OldAle1 wrote: April 20th, 2021, 11:35 pm I continue to be disappointed at the continuing lack of love for Inquietude and Beloved, IMO the best, or very close to the best films from their respective directors but far from the most admired or seen.
Don't judging anything here, but Inquietude has the burden of being rather unknown at exactly 100 ICM checks and a little above 300 IMDb votes (the common 1:3 ratio); and Rosenbaum is the only official list it's on (not the Portugal one for Oliveira this time). People have to see it at first and then admire it enough to vote for it. Maybe next time? Your #1 spot is the best support you could give :ICM:
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hurluberlu wrote: April 20th, 2021, 5:13 pm
yllow wrote: April 20th, 2021, 12:19 pm Who knew Lebowski was so popular? Expected a Thin Red Line victory hands down
It is on forum's most favourite top 100 and is regularly quoted; the fan base is solid. What I am suprised of is that it does better here than on IMDb FG when we did the poll last.
How long ago was the last poll though? Maybe it’s reputation has increased
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yllow wrote: April 21st, 2021, 9:08 am
hurluberlu wrote: April 20th, 2021, 5:13 pm
yllow wrote: April 20th, 2021, 12:19 pm Who knew Lebowski was so popular? Expected a Thin Red Line victory hands down
It is on forum's most favourite top 100 and is regularly quoted; the fan base is solid. What I am suprised of is that it does better here than on IMDb FG when we did the poll last.
How long ago was the last poll though? Maybe it’s reputation has increased
Certainly The Big Lebowski gotten more beloved as the years gone by. The Dude is one of the most notable characters in recent films. Many people did not get the film at first. Gene Siskel here did not get the film in his review

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yllow wrote: April 21st, 2021, 9:08 am
hurluberlu wrote: April 20th, 2021, 5:13 pm
yllow wrote: April 20th, 2021, 12:19 pm Who knew Lebowski was so popular? Expected a Thin Red Line victory hands down
It is on forum's most favourite top 100 and is regularly quoted; the fan base is solid. What I am suprised of is that it does better here than on IMDb FG when we did the poll last.
How long ago was the last poll though? Maybe it’s reputation has increased
Probably 2015-2016. But actually the one that came even before (so probably around 2010) had Lebowski at #1 already so TRL at #1 was an oddity for whatever reason, maybe people rediscovering it with the success of The Tree of Life.
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Rufus-T wrote: April 21st, 2021, 3:53 pm
yllow wrote: April 21st, 2021, 9:08 am
hurluberlu wrote: April 20th, 2021, 5:13 pm

It is on forum's most favourite top 100 and is regularly quoted; the fan base is solid. What I am suprised of is that it does better here than on IMDb FG when we did the poll last.
How long ago was the last poll though? Maybe it’s reputation has increased
Certainly The Big Lebowski gotten more beloved as the years gone by. The Dude is one of the most notable characters in recent films. Many people did not get the film at first. Gene Siskel here did not get the film in his review
Yeah not a very sharp analysis but on the other hand, what is not to get from the film ? It makes you laugh or it doesnt.
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hurluberlu wrote: April 21st, 2021, 5:29 pm
Rufus-T wrote: April 21st, 2021, 3:53 pm
yllow wrote: April 21st, 2021, 9:08 am

How long ago was the last poll though? Maybe it’s reputation has increased
Certainly The Big Lebowski gotten more beloved as the years gone by. The Dude is one of the most notable characters in recent films. Many people did not get the film at first. Gene Siskel here did not get the film in his review
Yeah not a very sharp analysis but on the other hand, what is not to get from the film ? It makes you laugh or it doesnt.
Not sure if Siskel & Ebert were well known in your area. Their review were like my weekly guide to what movies to watch during the 80s and 90s.

Siskel kind of cracks me up when he comment on John Turturro's bowling dance with "What do we supposed to do with that?". It could be a mistake when trying to analysis a comedy like a drama. Same with horror and action films. Gene Siskel wound up dismissed some of the classics in those genres in his reviews. I think it was either Terminator or Predator that Gene Siskel gave a poor review for having too much explosion or something like that whereas Roger Ebert said that the movie did what it was supposed to do and recommend it. Looking back, I agreed with Roger Ebert. I used to be more in line with Siskel. The older I get, the more I appreciate Ebert. I love Ebert's idea about The Big Lebowski satirized the cliche. Siskel just see them as cliche.
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Cheers Rufus

No surprise for me re top spot -I did think THIN RED LINE would pose the biggest threat.

Appalled that FEAR & LOATHING, a total desecration of one of the funniest books I have ever read, did so well. All time bottom 10 (worse than ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE but not quite as abysmal as NIGHT OF THE LEPUS) :circle: :guns: :angry: :angry:

No issue with posters adopting policy decisions excluding anything they please really: IMDB top 1000, AFI top ten, English language, anything not in B&W, anything made before/after 1970, with/without subtitles, anything Pauline Kael loves just on principle!, any films that focus on inspirational schoolteachers educating slum kids about Mozart, Sonny Tufts' entire oeuvre etc etc. Its their ballot. They can pick what they want. I quite enjoy learning about other folks criteria for inclusion and all of us get to learn more about movies that wouldn't be on our radars. I can't recall who poster is but his ballots prioritise shorts - I find they are really informative - I don't fret that it cost DOUBLE INDEMNITY a few votes. . For me that is one of the reasons I love these polls - I don't get the impression that so many posters do this that it will have major impact on outcome.

Must admit I generally rank mine the regular way (?) by my out of 10 rating - but may exclude something rated 8 or 7 that has been unseen for 30 years if it frees up my #20 spot for a racy early Chabrol I have soft spot for, or an out of the rut TV movie from a classic director that I think needs a shout. Likewise when allocating my 20 + 6/10s (the lowest rated I include here) across the 5-10 spaces left then in 62 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA was consigned to the HMs (doesn't need the love and the 1 point it will gain won't change anything...and frankly I'm not that fond - not even in my top 10 David Lean movies) and I think my #20 choice was this neglected potboiler
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Subsequently has had Legit barebones dvd release R" on Network label. I like to think I might have helped! :lol: :rolleyes: :D :circle:

Anyway looking forward to 33 - will ballot in a week or so - if anyone looking for recs here's my 1# THE BITTER TEA OF GENERAL YEN
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