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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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#2001

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#1298(NEW) The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
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#2002

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Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 3:57 pm #1298(NEW) The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
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Huge jump and highest ranking yet, I guess that's something. (l)
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#2003

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Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 1:45 pm #1272(⇧414, #1686) Providence (1977)
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Really happy about the enormous jump. All Roland I'm guessing? But I am quite stunned it does not have more support. (same goes for several other films here obviously)
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#2004

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#1299(⇩105, #1194) Démanty noci (1964)
[Diamonds of the Night]

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#2005

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Gordon_Gekko wrote: April 8th, 2021, 3:40 pm
Teproc wrote: April 8th, 2021, 2:05 pm It's just fashionable to hate on the MCU because it's popular. In about twenty years, there'll be nostalgia for it. It's an endless cycle.
Well it's tough to argue against "in about twent years..." because nobody can proof. In 30 years everybody will wear blue gumboot because it's fashion trend... proof me the opposite.
And to say it's fashionable to "hate" (btw for me it's a big difference not to favour a film or to hate it) them, while nearly every of the MCU-films has a very good ranking from half a million and more peoole on the most famous film database... i think it's more common to like them.
Sure. I meant it's fashionable to do so in cinephile circles.
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#2006

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St. Gloede wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:02 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 1:45 pm #1272(⇧414, #1686) Providence (1977)
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Really happy about the enormous jump. All Roland I'm guessing? But I am quite stunned it does not have more support. (same goes for several other films here obviously)
I have 8 Resnais films on my list but this isn't one of them; along with Stavisky I saw this relatively early on, maybe early 90s, and really don't remember it anymore. Those two, Mélo and Hiroshima, mon amour (a film I do like a lot, but not as much as most I suppose) are in dire need of re-watching, but really as he's become one of my very favorites I should get around to seeing all of his later films as well - haven't seen any of his last few.
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#2007

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#1300(⇩236, #1064) Cike Nie Yin Niang (2015)
[The Assassin]

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#2008

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OldAle1 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:00 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 3:57 pm #1298(NEW) The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
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Huge jump and highest ranking yet, I guess that's something. (l)
You were the highest Voter on several other films OldAle !
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#2009

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Lammetje wrote: April 8th, 2021, 2:29 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 12:50 pm #1261(⇧254, #1515) Small Roads (2011)

Plot: 0
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I have it on my watchlist : is it that bad ? :/
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#2010

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#1301(⇩218, #1083) Boksuneun naui geot (2002)
[Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance]

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#2011

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Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:09 pm
OldAle1 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:00 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 3:57 pm #1298(NEW) The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
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Huge jump and highest ranking yet, I guess that's something. (l)
You were the highest Voter on several other films OldAle !
Well of course. Most people that had ranked lists would be, I would think. But this is one of the lower-ranked films in my top 40, and I think all the ones that will fall lower on the list are ones that are relatively obscure (e.g. Lav Diaz films). And this is a film of special significance to me in any case, one of the few films I've seen at least 5 times in the cinema, and one that has only grown in my feelings over 25 years now.
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#1302(NEW) Omoide no Mânî (2014)
[When Marnie Was There]

[思い出のマーニー]
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#1303(⇩179, #1124) The Circus (1928)
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OldAle1 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:07 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:02 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 1:45 pm #1272(⇧414, #1686) Providence (1977)
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Really happy about the enormous jump. All Roland I'm guessing? But I am quite stunned it does not have more support. (same goes for several other films here obviously)
I have 8 Resnais films on my list but this isn't one of them; along with Stavisky I saw this relatively early on, maybe early 90s, and really don't remember it anymore. Those two, Mélo and Hiroshima, mon amour (a film I do like a lot, but not as much as most I suppose) are in dire need of re-watching, but really as he's become one of my very favorites I should get around to seeing all of his later films as well - haven't seen any of his last few.
I can't really complain if you have 8 by Resnais already :cheers: I strongly recommend rewatching Providence (obviously) and hope you do a write-up when you do.

I should rewatch Melo too. I was bitterly disappointed the first time I saw it, and I did not like Resnais' sudden jump in style - though I later loved Smoking, No Smoking - which is similar. I am also in the exact same position, save Wild Grass, which I found very middling, when it comes to his last films. (I have also not seen most of his 90s output - should be rectified!).
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#1304(⇧420, #1724) The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)
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OldAle1 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 3:54 pm And Millenium Mambo seems like probably his most accessible film (Flight of the Red Balloon and Cafe Lumiere being runners-up), so not surprised that might be more popular in some communities.
Hmmm, not sure where you get that from. It depends on what audience you're catering for, but Café Lumière is very slow and has very little narrative. I'd see it's one of his least accessible films. Millenium Mambo as light crime elements, but it's also very slow and it sports an electronic-based soundtrack, which will freak out most typical film fans. I think timing is what made these films reach a bigger audience, as the early 00s saw a big boost in interest for SE Asia cinema as a whole.But yeah, if you like cinema of the now and you can deal with the slow pace, it's definitely somewhat "accessible".

On the other hand, if you're someone who goes for the Taiwanese New Wave his earlier films are easy shoe-ins. Whereas his earliest films are very light, commercial even. Though nowadays you won't find a big crowd for that anymore. Flight of the Red Balloons on the other hand is fine if you like French dialogue-based drama. Man there's a lot of talking for a HHH film in that one :D

On paper, this variety might be the thing that's causing HHH vote splits, on the other hand Tsai has similar changes in style and he coped a lot better. Maybe because his more recent work caters more to the hardcore cinephile, which gives his earlier films an extra boost too?
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#1305(⇧465, #1770) The Wrong Man (1956)
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#1306(⇩340, #966) L'Eden et après (1970)
[Eden and After]

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#1307(⇩241, #1066) Zazie dans le métro (1960)
[Zazie dans le Métro]

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St. Gloede wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:27 pm
OldAle1 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:07 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:02 pm

Really happy about the enormous jump. All Roland I'm guessing? But I am quite stunned it does not have more support. (same goes for several other films here obviously)
I have 8 Resnais films on my list but this isn't one of them; along with Stavisky I saw this relatively early on, maybe early 90s, and really don't remember it anymore. Those two, Mélo and Hiroshima, mon amour (a film I do like a lot, but not as much as most I suppose) are in dire need of re-watching, but really as he's become one of my very favorites I should get around to seeing all of his later films as well - haven't seen any of his last few.
I can't really complain if you have 8 by Resnais already :cheers: I strongly recommend rewatching Providence (obviously) and hope you do a write-up when you do.

I should rewatch Melo too. I was bitterly disappointed the first time I saw it, and I did not like Resnais' sudden jump in style - though I later loved Smoking, No Smoking - which is similar. I am also in the exact same position, save Wild Grass, which I found very middling, when it comes to his last films. (I have also not seen most of his 90s output - should be rectified!).
I saw Mélo when it first played in the USA, spring or summer 1988 - I'd imagine it was the first of his films I saw though it's possible I'd seen one of the two famous early ones before it, certainly couldn't say with any certainty. I don't remember it much but I do remember really liking it and thinking, wow, that's something different. And talking about the treatment directors have received on video, he's done fairly well overall with most of his features available in pretty decent transfers it seems. One thing that's missing is the shorts, apart from Night and Fog of course and a very few scattered appearances of others. I really wish someone would put out a nice disc or two of all the shorts but that seems to be asking too much; apart from comprehensive editions (like the Varda set) or discs devoted to filmmakers who primarily made shorts (like the Brakhage and Frampton sets) there doesn't seem much interest on the part of Criterion or other boutique labels in this area. Sets of shorts by Maddin, Godard, Herzog, Ruiz would certainly be must-buys for me as well but I just don't see it happening.
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#1308(⇧245, #1553) Shinjû: Ten no Amijima (1969)
[Double Suicide]

[心中天網島]
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#1309(⇩289, #1020) X2 (2003)
[X2: X-Men United]

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#1310(⇧201, #1511) The World's End (2013)
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#1311(⇩192, #1119) The Ninth Configuration (1980)
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#1312(⇧144, #1456) Serial Experiments Lain (1998)
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#1313(⇩43, #1270) The Virgin Suicides (1999)
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#1314(⇩268, #1046) The King's Speech (2010)
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#1315(NEW) Soul (2020)
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#1316(⇧643, #1959) Husbands and Wives (1992)
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#1317(NEW) Kramer vs. Kramer (1979)
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#1318(⇧64, #1382) 6 donne per l'assassino (1964)
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Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 6:44 am
kongs_speech wrote: April 7th, 2021, 7:20 pm Did anyone else vote for Promising Young Woman at all?
5 in total !
Yay! Maybe we'll get it on the list next year. A girl can dream. :wub:
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#1319(⇩311, #1008) Deep End (1970)
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#1320(⇩63, #1257) Hunger (2008)
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cinewest wrote: April 8th, 2021, 8:41 am There are 3 Mexican filmmakers and a couple of Brazilians who have been invited to make films in Hollywood in the past 20 years (not two mention 2 top flight Mexican cinematographers), and the 3 amigos (as well as the cinematographers) have done very well there, and are even quite popular on this board because their films and style is so accessible.

I wouldn't say that is true for filmmakers like Martel, and others, who despite their adoption by the arthouse community have had trouble attracting fans (check out their imdb ratings compared to their appeal among critics), even on film boards like this one. As I don't think any of these filmmakers are more "difficult" than some of the ones who do catch on from other places, that is why I believe there is some kind of cultural disconnect going on.

For me, Martel is one of the most interesting filmmakers working today, but she is not only a she (with female sensibilities and concerns), but also from Argentina, whose history and culture are somewhat different what audiences are familiar with or interested in. Perhaps a parallel film industry in Europe might be that of Romania, which despite producing several arthouse hits, hasn't really continued to build on that popularity. Klebber-Mendonca from Brazil is a similar case. Both have unique styles, and make films very particular to the places where they are from, which perhaps demands that the viewer is able to travel further than most viewers can, especially when immersed in something they are largely unfamiliar with and disinterested in.

Let's take the example of Aguirre Wrath of God (made by a German filmmaker, with a foreign, north european perspective on the conquest of the Americas) versus the largely unknown Cabeza de Vaca, also about the conquest of the Americas, but from a Mexican filmmaker who is the progeny of that conquest, and living with the result of it. One film has received a swab of attention and international accolades while the other is largely unknown despite being filled with imagery that was at least as amazing to me. In fact, I think Cabeza de Vaca is the more interesting film.

You brought Ruiz before, who has become one of the adopted unsung filmmakers by a cadre of cinephiles on this board, but how can you watch something like La Noche de Enfrente about the filmmaker's memories (real and imagined) and not think of Fellini? Granted, Ruiz has his own style, as do others who have made films along the same like (Providence from Resnais, Eternity and a Day from Angelopoulos, various from Tarkovsky, etc.), but what I love about Fellini is the way he brought life, memory, and imagination altogether in grand, operatic style.
I find it hard to see that disconnect honestly, especially when you have so many Asian films that are popular. I have some level of cultural disconnect to almost all Asian films I see. Latin America on the other hand feels very similar to Europe in their filmmaking sensibilities especially southern Europe. Are Italian Neorealism (e.g. Francesco Rossi) really wholly different from Cinema Novo? Of course I'm not denying the differences but for me it's always been a pretty miniscule leap from something that I know from Europe. As you highlight Herzog I would say that the way he renders the jungle reminds me of the way Iracema renders it too. I have not seen Cabeza de Vaca though I'm certainly interested in watching it. However if you compare it to films from a country with a much more dense colonial history than Bavaria, does it still differ that much? I'm thinking specifically about Oliveira's No, or the Vain Glory of Command from Portugal.

As for Ruiz and Fellini, I haven't seen Ruiz last film yet but I do not really see the similarities. Ruiz is an intellectual, Fellini is completely a sensualist. Ruiz is probably more reminiscient of Borges, while Fellini perhaps reminds me of Dali. They also use surrealism in completely different ways. In every Ruiz film I've seen the surreal aspects of it ask conceptual questions about the world we live in and that's also excactly the way he expresses himself in interviews and essays. Reading his books (which are a completely overwhelming web of unexpected refferences from imperial era chinese painting to expressionist musicians to Walter Benjamin and much beyond. I doubt that there are many directors more well versed in art history and art theory than him. Fellini is - and this is not to put him down - everything but a theorist. If there is any Ruiz film so far that reminds me a bit of Fellini it's Time Regained but it's way too restrained for a Fellini film and actually reminds me more of Visconti than Fellini. Fellini's surrealism derives from immediate sensation, not conceptual rerendition of the world. However I will gladly attest to that Amarcord is one of my favourite Fellini films. If I were to include one more, it would be Amarcord, I could even see it replacing 8 1/2. So it's not that I'm against this method of working but I haven't yet seen another film where it really pays of for Fellini the way it does in Amarcod. I don't dislike Fellini in any way, I've also never thought any of his films were less than good (though Juliet of the Spirits and Night of Cabiria might approach the meh category and Satyricon is so much less than one would hope for). It's just that e.g. Passolini in my mind does it so much better. Edipo re and Satyricon to me is simply a night and day difference between a masterclass in adapting ancient litterature and an overambitious mess. So yeah, I'm very much looking forward to Night Across the Streets, I'm also actually looking forward to hopefully watch Roma this year and maybe Spirits of the Dead where I've heard a lot of good things about Fellini's episode.
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OldAle1 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 4:00 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 3:57 pm #1298(NEW) The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
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Huge jump and highest ranking yet, I guess that's something. (l)
I have a specific beef with this movie. The Streep and Eastwood scenes are as beautifully made as anything in Clint's filmography. The other half of the movie, the present-day scenes with her annoying kids, absolutely sucks imo. I don't even know how to rate it.
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#1321(⇧64, #1385) L'Apollonide (Souvenirs de la maison close) (2011)
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Lammetje wrote: April 8th, 2021, 2:29 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 8th, 2021, 12:50 pm #1261(⇧254, #1515) Small Roads (2011)

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#1322(NEW) Scorpio Rising (1963)
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#1323(NEW) The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans (2009)
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