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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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#3632(NEW) Le sorcier du ciel (1949)
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#3649(NEW) The.Fisher.King (1991)
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#3650(NEW) Kôfuku no kane (2002)
[Blessing Bell]

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#3651(NEW) Something Unknown Is Doing We Don't Know What (2009)
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#3652(NEW) Berlin.Express (1948)
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Directed by: Jacques Tourneur
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#3653(NEW) Nachrichten aus der ideologischen Antike - Marx/Eisenstein/Das Kapital (2008)
[News from Ideological Antiquity - Marx/Eisenstein/The Capital]

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Directed by: Alexander Kluge
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#3654(NEW) Sarah Cooper: Everything's Fine (2020)
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#3672(NEW) Astérix.&.Obélix.Mission.Cléopâtre (2002)
[Asterix & Obelix: Mission Cleopatra]

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#3673(NEW) Julia (1977)
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#3674(NEW) Ingrid Goes West (2017)
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:55 pm #3615(NEW) Pirates.of.the.Caribbean.Dead.Man's.Chest (2006)
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Now this would be an opportunity to demonstrate your system of "objective critic" and "personal preference" ratings, tommy ..
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:01 pm #3649(NEW) The.Fisher.King (1991)
Directed by: Terry Gilliam
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While I didn't vote for this either, this sure deserves to have more voters.
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:40 pm #3519(NEW) Boy (2010)
Directed by: Taika Waititi
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I think this used to be on my list a few years ago, but I dropped it when I raised the bar. Perhaps it's time to revisit, as it is a good film, I just don't remember it being a great film.
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:41 pm #3520(NEW) Hoje Eu Quero Voltar Sozinho (2014)
[The Way He Looks]

Directed by: Daniel Ribeiro
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:53 pm #3595(NEW) Moonlight.Mile (2002)
Directed by: Brad Silberling
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Aww, my two beloved orphans. Interesting to see how their overall rank has changed over time, as I don't think I've changed their ranks on my own list after I added them.
The first I kind of expected more people to see and enjoy. The second I know I'm a big outlier, but I'm still going to keep voting for it.
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 9:52 pm #3360(NEW) Xiao shi da kan (2011)
[Honey PuPu]

Directed by: Hung-i Chen
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This is nominated for DTC, right? I should try and watch it this month.
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:56 pm #3616(NEW) Home (2016)
Directed by: Fien Troch
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Might catch this one for the coming of age poll this month.
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:47 pm #3570(NEW) MacGruber (2010)
Directed by: Jorma Taccone
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:28 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:01 pm #3649(NEW) The.Fisher.King (1991)
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While I didn't vote for this either, this sure deserves to have more voters.
Same, and it looks like it used to have more voters by its history. I haven't seen it yet, though I keep meaning to. Maybe this year.
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:08 pm #3673(NEW) Julia (1977)
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And this is another film I'm surprised only has a single voter, given it won 3 Oscars.
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:34 pm #3489(NEW) Police.Academy (1984)
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Lammetje wrote: April 12th, 2021, 12:53 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:34 pm #3489(NEW) Police.Academy (1984)
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:23 pm #3373(NEW) Tux and Fanny (2019)
Directed by: Albert Birney
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I've been including this on my relevant lists since the end of 2019. When is someone else gonna watch it? :ermm:
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TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 5:00 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:23 pm #3373(NEW) Tux and Fanny (2019)
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I've been including this on my relevant lists since the end of 2019. When is someone else gonna watch it? :ermm:
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WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
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Torgo wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:25 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:55 pm #3615(NEW) Pirates.of.the.Caribbean.Dead.Man's.Chest (2006)
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Now this would be an opportunity to demonstrate your system of "objective critic" and "personal preference" ratings, tommy ..
tehe
Watched and rated it over 10 years ago. So current evaluation might be different if I re watched it. Or might be not. Anyway, this is how the rating stands now:

From critical pov, this is like 2.5/5. And this is more or less how it would translate into words...

"Felt more like a prequel to the third film than sequel to the first film. When the first film was finely wrapped, this one seemed to exist only to milk the popularity of the first film and Jack Sparrow character and expand it into a cash grab franchise. So it has more new characters that are not well established, may be purposefully, and looked forced into the plot, which itself is bit contrived and unnecessarily muddled in contrast to the first film but not completely bad. The final scene twist of re introducing a character, is a clear statement on how little they care about the logic and want to go all out for mindless fun. Not really a negative thing but needs to be seen how it turns out in the third film (Spoiler!! It didnt turn out well :) ) Character arcs of Jack Sparrow and Norrington were good and both big pluses to the film, but other side characters, not much. Some of their acting was downright bad even for a fun summer blockbuster film. Technically exceptional though esp Score, CGI and action choreography. The three-way Giant wheel sword fight was excellent."

From personal pov, currently it has 91/100 rating which translates to "I fookin' enjoyed the film!!! Going straight into the top tier of my all time fav list. Had great time and fun, and gonna re watch it multiple time", which I did, several time on the CD, DVD, and Blu Ray copies I own of this film.

Coming to think of this franchise, I had immense fun on the first two films and they both are in top 25 of my all time fav list. Third film, while terrible still provided me some fun. All more than 10 years ago. Watched 4th part after long time and it was trash and lost interest completely to see the fifth.
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I absolutely agree with how you rate your moves Tommy, for me movies are about emotions.
Come and See is my top pick as it left me depressed for a week, Lord of the Rings is a top pick because it leaves me extremely euphoric and nostalgic.

Don't ever leave it from your list because critics or people on the forum think it's a lesser film than Citizen Kane.
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Torgo wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:37 pm :rolleyes: Yeah alright, I don't need to click the list of voters to know who that was ..

/actually clicks lists of voters
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Coryn wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:47 am I absolutely agree with how you rate your moves Tommy, for me movies are about emotions.
Come and See is my top pick as it left me depressed for a week, Lord of the Rings is a top pick because it leaves me extremely euphoric and nostalgic.

Don't ever leave it from your list because critics or people on the forum think it's a lesser film than Citizen Kane.
Thanks :thumbsup: Yeah, I dont ever compromise on my favorites list. It is all about how I felt about that film, irrespective of its critical stature. Pirates 1, Pirates 2, Ice Age 3, Armor of God: Operation Condor, [Rec], Gods Must be Crazy, Cars are all in my top 50 and wont ever go away just because others might think lesser of them.
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Finally caught up with the results. The second half is the most exciting, as usual. I might switch to list similar do Dolwphin's, with a smaller ranked top, though rearranging the whole thing would be a chore. But that seems to be the only way to support the ones I'm most enthusiastic towards. The real winner this year is Idi i Smotri, let's push it in the top 10 next year.

First time I saw 2001 I was about 16, I watched it the living room alone in the middle of the night quietly getting my mind blown, I spent the whole next day googling about it and it was easily my number one for years. I had the chance to rewatch in a cinema, and to be honest it had lost a big part of the magic. I might have overblown it in my head and set the expectations too high, but for some reason the pace felt too slow this time.

Give Wanda some love, it's doing very well this year! In exchange, I'm already grabbing I fidanzati, the reviews are most encouraging.

Side note: I find myself voting for a lot of noirs and westerns I don't remember much about :lol: But for the last couple of years, those are the films I gravitate towards whenever I want to see a film.

Oh, and no, the Marvel movies, at least the ones I've seen are mostly boring and forgettable enough not the become favourites 20 years from now. The first Transformers might land there, maybe, at least for me it has a part of the charm 1950s/60s Sci-fi movies have.

Oh and and Benning having no plot is only party true. The movies have a lot to do with you perception of time, of your ability to pay attention. Don't watch Small Roads when you're in a mood for a conventional film, rather see it as a from of meditation. Or like going to see landscape paintings, but instead of wondering for long you're supposed to spent time in front of a frame, Benning will give precise timing when to move to the next one. Maybe even start with RR, it's even more conventional that Small Roads, when compared to a few of his other films (I wrote my thesis on this subject, that's why I'm so protective :D )

Anyway, thanks to everyone involved, I really enjoy being a part of this tradition :ICM: :ICM: :ICM:
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Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am
TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 5:00 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:23 pm #3373(NEW) Tux and Fanny (2019)
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I've been including this on my relevant lists since the end of 2019. When is someone else gonna watch it? :ermm:
A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
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St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am
TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 5:00 am

I've been including this on my relevant lists since the end of 2019. When is someone else gonna watch it? :ermm:
A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
I don’t see Tarkovsky and Lynch fucking a 16-bit console to make a 8-bit film but yeah why not, if I can find it.

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hurluberlu wrote: April 12th, 2021, 9:49 am I don’t see Tarkovsky and Lynch fucking a 16-bit console to make a 8-bit film but yeah why not, if I can find it.
Haha, I was thinking the same thing. Either Master System or NES, looking at that trailer.
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Wonderful Rainbow wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:19 am Finally caught up with the results. The second half is the most exciting, as usual. I might switch to list similar do Dolwphin's, with a smaller ranked top, though rearranging the whole thing would be a chore. But that seems to be the only way to support the ones I'm most enthusiastic towards. The real winner this year is Idi i Smotri, let's push in the top 10 next year.

Oh and and Benning having no plot is only party true. The movies have a lot to do with you perception of time, of your ability to pay attention. Don't watch Small Roads when you're in a mood for a conventional film, rather see it as a from of meditation. Or like going to see landscape paintings, but instead of wondering for long you're supposed to spent time in front of a frame, Benning will give precise timing when to move to the next one. Maybe even start with RR, it's even more conventional that Small Roads, when compared to a few of his other films (I wrote my thesis on this subject, that's why I'm so protective :D )
It certainly is a time-saver. :whistling:

Benning is indeed a great film-maker. You certainly achieves a unique mode of perception when viewing a Benning film. You are actually looking at a land-scape and experiencing it. You notice details, patterns and events that usually goes un-noticed. Benning's compositions is exqusite, poetic and wonderous to gaze at. :wub: Films don't need to have "plot" to be noteworthy. With that said, Benning's films is far from devoid of story. He is clearly a green film-maker.
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Dolwphin wrote: April 12th, 2021, 10:03 am He is clearly a green film-maker.
He sure makes you ask questions like "what made people think they can destroy this beautiful, serene landscape by introducing these railroads tracks", or in case of 11x14 "oh my, that giant chimney won't ever stop, will it"
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St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am
TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 5:00 am

I've been including this on my relevant lists since the end of 2019. When is someone else gonna watch it? :ermm:
A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
Its 82mins, free on YouTube/Vimeo, and perfect for the animation challenge that's happening this month I think. :whistling:
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TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 12:02 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am

A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
Its 82mins, free on YouTube/Vimeo, and perfect for the animation challenge that's happening this month I think. :whistling:
Good pitch. Sold.
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tobias wrote: April 11th, 2021, 5:09 pm
cinewest wrote: April 11th, 2021, 1:17 pm Regarding the "cultural, tribal, economic" thing, we should probably table that for now. My live in girl friend for much of my 20's studied marxist philosophy as an undergrad, and considered Angela Davis (whom she studied with, and, being biracial, identified with to some extent) her mentor, but she finished her PHD with a dissertation on Kant, if only because Marx is on the outs in most Western schools of philosophy these days. We actually met during a philosophical argument she was having with another student in a cafe near school, and as you might imagine ,I've had plenty of discussions along these lines with her in the past. I might liken my own perspective on human behavior and organization to that of a cultural anthropologist, and tend to believe that while I think we are capable of tremendous growth, even great shifts in our sense of our own identities during the course of our lives, the majority of people "stay fairly close to home in their thinking and perspectives on most things, and that includes how they view movies.

I love what you wrote about the "derivative culture of cinephilia," and fully identify with your description of a great way to approach and engage the movies we see, especially those that are operating beyond the familiar. I would argue, though, that we also take our "biases" (and I don't necessarily mean this critically) to the movies with us. I would further argue that the "rules we have been conditioned to accept" have everything to do with culture.
Well, if your wife studied marxist philosophy, you probably know a lot of the inns and outs, so I'll spare you now :lol: - for what it's worth, I don't entirely buy Marx' materialist reading of history at least not in the way he lays it out I am also on a personal level very interested in the strains in philosophy that go against Hegel and even in anthropology. But I find as a tool to analyze society, Marx' materialism is very useful. I'm always suspicious if people point to immaterial causes. For example (as it's also film-industry-related) the way these Metoo cases and other sexual allegations are portrayed in the media is in my view largely a right-wing narrative that focuses on "the evil perpetrators" instead of the system that made them or enabled them (which is not surprising because at least American mass media is mostly right-wing). I tend to sepparate the personal and the political here the same way one should not equate personal finances with state finances . For example personally I like Hoelderlin and Rilke so much better than Brecht - and Rilke was famously a fascist supporter at the end of his life but honestly it doesn't really make a difference to me. One reason however why I tend to be especially insistent on materialism in the political sphere is because the modern left increasingly forgets about it.

My Ex wanted to do her dissertation on Hegel, but was advised otherwise. I remember she was a big fan of Herbert Marcuse, and one book I always meant to read is Eros and Civilization.


What I meant by "derivative culture of cinephilia" is excactly that it's not really the same as our daily life culture. For example there are a few films from Schleswig-Holstein and Jutland at large that I will very intimately be able to understand from the culture I experience in the day to day. If I were a 24 y/o guy who had never seen a film before, these would probably still intuitively make a lot of sense to me. Recently I watched a Miniseries set where I live but made by a Swabian director and without any lead actor from Schleswig-Holstein and there were so many things that were off to me. Examples like this in my view are really your firsthand culture mirrored in film.

I see this "derivative culture of cinephilia" as just one of many subcultures that may have more or less influence depending on the movie watcher. Using Martel again as an example, I wouldn't bet on her necessarily being any more popular in her native Argentina than she is abroad, if only because she doesn't make movies that are popular with the general public. Her biggest fan base is in arthouse fare (perhaps a derivative of a derivative, using your terms), which has a fair amount of support on this board, except, as I have pointed out, when it comes to certain genders in certain parts of the world

However I think mostly what happens is that when we watch a film is that we engage with derivative culture. When we don't really have first-hand experience, our understanding of media emerges primarily from media itself. Now you could claim that for example your exposure to primarily American films in your youth is still part of your culture and I would agree with you but in my view this distinction implies that if neither of us was involved in the mob millieu and neither of us would have ever seen a mob film, our starting point is possibly quite similar regardless of where we are from. I'll admit that there are some films - like the ones Scorsese made - that contain possibly so much nuance and detail in their characterization of these millieus that there are a lot of things one could possibly latch onto that could serve to build a connection but most mob films are way more fantastical than Goodfellas and don't contain this level of historical detail at all. I even heard a story of a mobster who watched the film with his girlfriend who had little idea of what the mafia were doing - and then she asked him if it's really like that and he says and he plays it down by saying that Hollywood of course cares primarily about a good story - next thing: his name is mentioned. He is portrayed as a character in the film. He since reconsidered how close to reality it was.

I think our different backgrounds, involvements, and individual natures differentiate our cultural influences. When I spoke about cultural bias, I did not mean to suggest one is participating in unison (the differences among the taste of the participants on this board probably reflect the differences that exist in filmmaking itself), but was commenting on what I have perceived about the "composite" culture reflected in the various poll results.


There are large cultural differences even within countries. There are a couple of German films where I really feel a first-hand connection to it. For instance Große Freiheit Nr. 7 which is set in Hamburg and deals with a seaman turned red-light district singer, that one hits very close to home also because of some of the finer nuances, like the accents in which they speak, etc. However say a film from Bavaria or a dubbed one from France, would that necesarilly make a difference to someone from here (assuming the dub is good)? I don't really know. If we go on the other side of the border (I grew up bilingually, so I speak both Danish and German natively and most of my close family lives in Denmark) a film like e.g. Ordet (1955) which is set in some small village in the middle of Jutland hits very close to home for me. With modern films set almost entirely in Copenhagen however you're really starting to stretch it. I've actually been there quite a number of times in recent years for various reasons but I still feel so little connection to that place (and with how anglo-crazed people are it is legitimately alienating, once I was mistaken for a Swede two days in a row and I speak Danish since, well, always...). Actually I would go so far to say that a rural Bergman film (i.e. most of them) again hits much closer to the culture I know and understand (that's what the Copenhageners get for mistaking me for a Swede!). Similarly I was in Småland a couple of weeks last year and even though because it was so isolated and because of pandemic reasons we didn't interact that much with the locals, to me it feels as though I almost intrinsically have an understanding of that place, at least along the general lines. Anyway what I'm really trying to say here is that when I watch Fanny and Alexander my reaction is "oh, I know this, people live like this and celebrate christmas like this, etc." but the sample size of films that trigger a first hand cultural reaction like this is not all that large. I could probably draw you a circle on a map and say that outside of that I increasingly don't notice anything that significantly pertains to the lived culture I personally know.

Yes, I don't disagree with what you are saying here. In fact, all of the films on my short list reflect to various extents my own cultural background

My suggestion is that for most of us in reality this cultural circle is not enormously big and films from the outside we have all been inducted into. For me to include all of Germany in that circle you would already have to introduce such a lose definition of culture that I would be skeptical if it means anything. Of course I realize that it's not quite as black and white but I would insist on that a lot of our film-viewing culture is lifted directly from media itself, not from what we would clasically call "our culture".
In the above comments, I think I have clarified where we do and do not agree on this point. I do not disagree that "the film media" itself has fostered a subculture, but that not all film viewers are informed in the same way by this culture (in fact, people seem to define what this "film culture" is very differently), and that viewer differences, inclusive of one's "biases," are the greater determiners of what we pay attention to, as much as to what we do and do not like.
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TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 12:02 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am

A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
Its 82mins, free on YouTube/Vimeo, and perfect for the animation challenge that's happening this month I think. :whistling:
Could you send me the link? I can't find it.
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St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 3:19 pm
TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 12:02 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am

Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
Its 82mins, free on YouTube/Vimeo, and perfect for the animation challenge that's happening this month I think. :whistling:
Could you send me the link? I can't find it.

https://vimeo.com/277091857
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Thank you!
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:47 pm Aww, my two beloved orphans. Interesting to see how their overall rank has changed over time, as I don't think I've changed their ranks on my own list after I added them.
The first I kind of expected more people to see and enjoy. The second I know I'm a big outlier, but I'm still going to keep voting for it.
I'm a big fan of The Way He Looks! It doesn't make my all-time favorites as is. If I doubled the length, then probably. There are just so, so many films I love.

(same deal for The Fisher King, maybe my favorite Gilliam film)

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Tux and Fanny reminds me of those old Don't Hug Me I'm Scared videos:


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outdoorcats wrote: April 12th, 2021, 4:00 pm Tux and Fanny reminds me of those old Don't Hug Me I'm Scared videos:
Yeah, they’re definitely both nostalgia pastiches for obsolete media. The chief difference is DHMIS quite cynical comparatively in my opinion. I’d say Tux and Fanny is a bit gentler, more meditative, and there’s no real “moral/message” and the comedy isn’t nearly as dark.

There’s a sequel being made (both were released episodically on Instagram and strung together and re-edited into a feature, similar to Don Hertzfeldt’s feature). There’s also a point and click adventure game coming out too.
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TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 12:02 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am

A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
Its 82mins, free on YouTube/Vimeo, and perfect for the animation challenge that's happening this month I think. :whistling:
Never heard of this before (how would I), but I love the cover artwork! :D

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10187146/m ... xt=default

Wonderful Rainbow wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:19 am Oh and and Benning having no plot is only party true. The movies have a lot to do with you perception of time, of your ability to pay attention.
hehe, that was me saying that and it was more like a witty comment on how Tim's tool extracted a plot summary of just "0" for a Benning film, of all films where such an error could happen ..
I've seen 3 or 4 Bennings in my life and belong to the kind of people who can enjoy them, being an retired hobby photographer and adorer of landscapes myself - although my attention span has diminished so much during the last 10 years thanks to smartphones and internets EVERYWHERE; this plus all the list OCD and FOMO I go through makes me rarely find time to give them a watch anymore. It was an eye-opening moment in, I think, 13 Lakes when suddenly a plane flew through the shot: "Damn, these metal birds sure are loud."
Anyway, none of this is narrative cinema - there you should agree.

I liked your <400 list, btw, interesting stuff.
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Are we only counting top 25 votes for Ain't Nobody's Blues, or did someone else vote for Markopolous' Gammelion? Also happy that apparently there's some Enthusiasm for Vertov in other corners.
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TraverseTown wrote: April 12th, 2021, 12:02 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 12th, 2021, 8:52 am
Tim2460 wrote: April 12th, 2021, 6:17 am

A quote from a site :

WOW. I love this so much. It's as if Tarkovsky and Lynch fucked a Sega Genesis.

-->> (l)
Well, erm, that's an endorsement. I'll look into this one.
Its 82mins, free on YouTube/Vimeo, and perfect for the animation challenge that's happening this month I think. :whistling:
I have tried 15 mins and I might stop here. Some of these 1-minute sketches are funny but it is more or less a low-brow (8-bit) Don Hertzfeldt.
I say we punish the guy that made the Lynch/Tarkovsky statement by forced watching Lost Highway or Solaris in loop until he/she looks like Tux/Fanny.
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