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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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#1974(⇧306, #2280) Brick (2005)
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History: 197422802630249619521633150412241140←666
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#1975(⇧2936, #4911) Le signe du lion (1962)
[The Sign of Leo]

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Directed by: Éric Rohmer
Country: France
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History: 197549112854329121193250321964126134←NA
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tobias wrote: April 10th, 2021, 5:16 pm

What I meant by the first paragraph is that we seem to evaluate the weight of ecnomics and culture different. Perhaps as you're a litterature major and I studied economics for a while (and will possibly continue soon), it's not surprising. I'm not always sure how much we speak of general trends and the ICM forum in particular. If we speak only about the forum, you might certainly be right that culture has a bigger impact but I still don't feel it personally when watching Latin American films.

What I meant with American culture not speaking to the youth is similar to what I would mean when I said German culture does not speak to the youth. So maybe we are talking past each other here. In my opinion American culture is extremely intrusive but it speaks in no way to our actual problems. Culture is often largely dictated by the ruling demographic. US culture probably speaks most to the middle aged and rather the older kind than the younger.

With the regards to the popularity or unpopularity of various female directors I agree that there are a number of complex sociological factors involved which we can impossibly unwind here and now but I'm a bit careful about some of the narratives around because gender ultimately to me is a very small factor in a complex body that constitutes our overall sensibilities. I would think for instance that Reygades and Martel probably come from a rather similar place. I even skimmed over some S&S votes and found at least one ballot voting for both La Cienaga and Stellet Licht - and there's only 10 votes on those. I also personally find Martel "easier" than Reygades from what I've seen.

I was just pointing this out about Rohmer. I definitely agree that these are maybe some of the most frenchman films ever (whatever that means excactly). I've watched his films with a number of women over time and overall there were a lot of positive responses even from people where I wouldn't have expected it. Even in general I feel like I have more female friends who would like him than men. My brother hates Rohmer with a burning passion (Rohmer has become a bit of an in-joke inbetween us) - and he did like e.g. Toni Erdmann or Portrait of a Lady on Fire.

I'm not entirely sure which coincidence you mean. Do you mean Sex and Lucia popping up? I actually feel like it did fairly well in this poll but some of that is ofc your vote.

Aren’t culture and economics intertwined?

Watching the whole Trump phenomenon, Brexit, all the radical Muslim and nationalist movements around the world in recent years, I have become evermore aware of how “tribal” most people, and that has everything to do with culture, though economics and a bunch of other realities also play a part.
Of course, higher education tends to create a more global sensibility, but it is very difficult to change where and what you come from, much of which most people aren’t even really that conscious of.
That said, I really began speaking about the influence of culture and gender as it pertains to the users on this forum.

I understand what you mean about the dominant culture of any country not really speaking to or for its youth, but business marketers in America (perhaps the drivers if not creators of American culture) are very savvy, and they spend a lot of effort trying to indoctrinate the youth into the consumer culture, precisely by co-opting what appeals to young people, including counter culture, even rebellion, as part of their very sophisticated product promotion.

Any real threat to the system doesn’t have to be repressed or destroyed, simply paid off.

It’s been interesting living in China, where besides teaching, I also freelance as a copywriter in the advertising industry because in the process I witness very different methods of social indoctrination that is culturally specific to them.

I don’t want to belabor our disagreement over the influence of gender on films, though I think it is very clear that there is a preference on this forum for “male oriented, subject matter, themes, and sensibilities whether these films are made by men or women (yes I acknowledge that some male directors (like Rohmer) might appeal more to women, and a scant few female filmmakers (like Bigelow) might appeal more to men.


As for films popping up, my last post slotted in right after Claire Denis’ The Intruder (maybe her most difficult film, but also among her most interesting), and before Sex & Lucia, when I was discussing Balkan War films, No Man’s Land rolled out right after that post. There was also at least one other like coincidence earlier on, but I forgot what it was.

On a related note, I just came across a German/Spanish co production directed by a woman called For The Time Being (English title) that is streaming on Mubi, and would seem to speak to various themes we hav been discussing. Have you heard of it?

Would love to hear your thoughts on Before the Rain, though it is probably more my kind of film than yours- sensualist, deeply felt, yet also highly imaginative as a narrative, and full of arresting imagery and outstanding soundscape, as well as about a serious human problem that has to do with our “tribalism.”

Also, I didn’t mention it in my last response, but I thought Kusturica’s Underground was very Felliniesque.
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#1976(⇧1595, #3571) The Guest (2014)
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Country: USA, UK
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History: 1976357119084359238650503624NANA←NA
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#1977(⇩307, #1670) Logan (2017)
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History: 1977167023292083NANANANANA←NA
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#1978(⇩71, #1907) Touchez pas au grisbi (1954)
[Hands Off the Loot]

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Country: France, Italy
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History: 197819071709150369510699949391326←954
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#1979(⇩514, #1465) Sombre (1998)
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History: 197914651103120313271348132414061904←NA
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#1980(⇧2889, #4869) Sud (1999)
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Directed by: Chantal Akerman
Country: France, Belgium
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History: 19804869465171135723NANANANA←NA
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#1981(⇧83, #2064) Gregory's Girl (1980)
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Country: UK
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History: 198120643744298822272310200713921772←NA
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#1982(⇧23, #2005) Lincoln (2012)
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Country: USA, India
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History: 1982200525851217777439291872669654722←NA
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#1983(⇧975, #2958) Spellbound (1945)
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History: 198329583116232919511529164619642016←NA
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#1984(⇧157, #2141) O Lucky Man! (1973)
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History: 198421412048145510671192938988941←NA
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#1985(⇩368, #1617) Dog Star Man (1964)
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History: 1985161715951239NANANANANA←NA
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#1986(⇧352, #2338) Jeremiah Johnson (1972)
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History: 198623382188253220174716336148132455←NA
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#1987(⇩946, #1041) HE Who Gets Slapped (1924)
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History: 1987104195013961171944102710841151←NA
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#1988(⇧1577, #3565) The Reckless Moment (1949)
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#1989(⇩549, #1440) The Quiet Earth (1985)
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History: 198914401927307020723731166521391814←NA
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#1990(⇧246, #2236) The Grey Fox (1982)
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Country: Canada
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History: 19902236229319688321009129827454368←NA
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#1991(⇩604, #1387) Obrazy starého sveta (1972)
[Pictures of the Old World]

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Country: Czechoslovakia
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History: 199113871380120417131867134916496512←NA
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#1992(⇧601, #2593) Bilder der Welt und Inschrift des Krieges (1989)
[Images of the World and the Inscription of War]

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Country: West Germany
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History: 199225931895198030304619440025354608←NA
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#1993(⇧10, #2003) The Devil's Advocate (1997)
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History: 199320032038207722412950278514132887←NA
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#1994(⇩304, #1690) This Is England (2006)
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#1995(⇧481, #2476) Caro diario (1993)
[Dear Diary]

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#1996(⇧155, #2151) Super Troopers (2001)
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History: 199621511970232354772444550827432658←NA
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#1997(⇩61, #1936) The Petrified Forest (1936)
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#1998(⇧11823, #13821) Everything Will Be Ok (2006)
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History: 1998138213465398121481400355818292590←NA
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#1999(⇩1094, #905) Zorns Lemma (1970)
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Had to take a pause on this thread for a day or two and just wanted to take a peek how far we've progressed ..
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#2000(⇧63, #2063) Tsuma wa kokuhaku suru (1961)
[A Wife Confesses]

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Tim2460 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 7:08 pm #1620(⇧82, #1702) The Room (2003)
Directed by: Tommy Wiseau
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Plot: Johnny is a successful bank executive who lives quietly in a San Francisco townhouse with his future wife Lisa. One day she unscrupulously seduces his best friend Mark. Nothing will ever be the same again.
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LOL

kongs_speech wrote: April 9th, 2021, 7:52 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 7:44 pm #1627(⇧9, #1636) Intouchables (2011)
I'm happy to see that this has plummeted way out of the top 1001 over the years.
Yup.
kongs_speech wrote: April 9th, 2021, 9:05 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 8:59 pm #1642(⇩664, #978) Gummo (1997)
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Plot: Lonely residents of a tornado-stricken Ohio town wander the deserted landscape trying to fulfill their boring, nihilistic lives.
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If you guys lived in an insane little shithole town just like the one depicted in Korine's film, you would appreciate Gummo so much more.
I don't even do, and I still do. (Syntax?)
Tim2460 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 9:19 pm #1646(⇩583, #1063) Le fils (2002)
Directed by: Luc Dardenne; Jean-Pierre Dardenne
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Plot: A joinery instructor at a rehab center refuses to take a new teen as his apprentice, but then begins to follow the boy through the hallways and streets.
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Ouch, this sure has dropped.
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Thank you very much, Tim!
You may shut down your laptop now, at last. :lol:
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#2001(⇩113, #1888) Taking Off (1971)
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Jimi Antiloop wrote: April 10th, 2021, 8:06 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 7:24 pm #1623(NEW) Faryad moorcheha (2006)
[Scream of the Ants]

Directed by: Mohsen Makhmalbaf
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Plot: A girl believing in God marries an atheist, who is consumed by doubt. They decide to spend their honeymoon in India. Searching the countryside for a guru called the "perfect man," who fobs ...
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Finally it enters the top 2000. (l)
The more are checking this one, the more it will rise.
We will see this in the top 1001 sooner or later. ;)
I'm not a checker (except TSP), but thanks for the rec! Looking forward to watching a lot of stuff from this list actually...
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Tim2460 wrote: April 10th, 2021, 8:19 pm #1920(NEW) Su Zhou he (2000)
[Suzhou River]

[苏州河]
Directed by: Ye Lou
Country: Germany, China, France
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Plot: The river Suzhou that flows through Shanghai is a reservoir of filth, chaos and poverty, but also a meeting place for memories and secrets. Lou Ye, who spent his youth on the banks of the ...
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Surprised no onderhond love, seems right up his alley.
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Tim2460 wrote: April 10th, 2021, 9:09 pm #1930(⇩392, #1538) Yellow Sky (1948)
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Illll still. This whole movie looks spectacular.
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Tim2460 wrote: April 10th, 2021, 9:49 pm #1938(⇩54, #1884) Pixote: A Lei do Mais Fraco (1981)
[Pixote]

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Plot: The life of a boy in the streets of Sao Paulo, involved with crimes, prostitution and drugs.
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Pretty dope frame too haha.
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cinewest wrote: April 11th, 2021, 12:58 am Aren’t culture and economics intertwined?

Watching the whole Trump phenomenon, Brexit, all the radical Muslim and nationalist movements around the world in recent years, I have become evermore aware of how “tribal” most people, and that has everything to do with culture, though economics and a bunch of other realities also play a part.
Of course, higher education tends to create a more global sensibility, but it is very difficult to change where and what you come from, much of which most people aren’t even really that conscious of.
That said, I really began speaking about the influence of culture and gender as it pertains to the users on this forum.

I understand what you mean about the dominant culture of any country not really speaking to or for its youth, but business marketers in America (perhaps the drivers if not creators of American culture) are very savvy, and they spend a lot of effort trying to indoctrinate the youth into the consumer culture, precisely by co-opting what appeals to young people, including counter culture, even rebellion, as part of their very sophisticated product promotion.

Any real threat to the system doesn’t have to be repressed or destroyed, simply paid off.

It’s been interesting living in China, where besides teaching, I also freelance as a copywriter in the advertising industry because in the process I witness very different methods of social indoctrination that is culturally specific to them.

I don’t want to belabor our disagreement over the influence of gender on films, though I think it is very clear that there is a preference on this forum for “male oriented, subject matter, themes, and sensibilities whether these films are made by men or women (yes I acknowledge that some male directors (like Rohmer) might appeal more to women, and a scant few female filmmakers (like Bigelow) might appeal more to men.


As for films popping up, my last post slotted in right after Claire Denis’ The Intruder (maybe her most difficult film, but also among her most interesting), and before Sex & Lucia, when I was discussing Balkan War films, No Man’s Land rolled out right after that post. There was also at least one other like coincidence earlier on, but I forgot what it was.

On a related note, I just came across a German/Spanish co production directed by a woman called For The Time Being (English title) that is streaming on Mubi, and would seem to speak to various themes we hav been discussing. Have you heard of it?

Would love to hear your thoughts on Before the Rain, though it is probably more my kind of film than yours- sensualist, deeply felt, yet also highly imaginative as a narrative, and full of arresting imagery and outstanding soundscape, as well as about a serious human problem that has to do with our “tribalism.”

Also, I didn’t mention it in my last response, but I thought Kusturica’s Underground was very Felliniesque.
Ok, I have some long and winding thoughts on what you bring up in your first paragraph but I feel like it would completely derail this discussion. We can take it another time if you want or perhaps at least in another thread. Suffice to say I disagree with you. To me the cultural thing is a cover-up for an actual economic story behind it.

To get it a bit back on track I would suggest that in cinephilia we have created a form of different derrivative culture. For example I can not claim that I really understand Ozu's films but I have accepted the Ozu universe so to speak, I have created a derivative idea of Japan in my head that works to decode Ozu films into something that I can understand and that appeals to me. Japan to a European should be by far the most outlandish culture that exists. I mean you sit on the ground or on pillows in those thin-walled houses and you don't ever muck up, excuse me but what the fuck? If I were to react from my South-Schleswigian German-Danish Western European cultural heritage watching an Ozu film would be full of what the fucks. But I don't. I actually watch it like I would e.g. a fantasy film and I accept that in this universe certain rules are in place which you don't question. Reality is a distant thought at the back of my head and actually interpreting these rules makes it a more rich and interesting experience assuming I have been inducted to the basics. I watch US-American films in the same way, even US news, certain sub-genres (like film-noir or western) even have their own rules on top. In fact when suddenly an element of reality is introduced to the American western (like in the films of Kelly Reichardt) this is at the outset a bit alienating, because I have been accustumoed to the rules of full on Fordian mythology already. However overall I don't think accepting these rules is such a big deal. Cineasts have to do it in order to survive, if one would constantly question everything that doesn't make sense one would go insane. And why is it harder to accept the rules of Latin American cinema than the rules of e.g. Marvel films. I don't think it is, Latin American cinema is just not showed down your throat like the MCU. When I watched Avengers I did not understand jackshit of what they are speaking about, it all felt like silly in universe refference and I'm a normal guy in my 20's (in my teens when I watched Avengers and hated it). I somehow doubt the experience is all that different for most other people but they seem to accept these rules because they are showed down their throat at gunpoint. I mean it's what you have to do to see some state of the art special effects I guess. I believe the rules we have been conditioned to accept largely derive not from culture but from film itself.
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Okay thanks sparks !

Tim , thanks for all the work, i enjoyed it a lot
I saved Latin, what did you ever do ?
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Tim2460 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 2:21 am #1992(⇧601, #2593) Bilder der Welt und Inschrift des Krieges (1989)
[Images of the World and the Inscription of War]

Directed by: Harun Farocki
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Plot: Documentary examines the 'blind spot' of the evaluators of aerial footage of the IG Farben industrial plant taken by the Americans in 1944.
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I gotta get around to Farocki...
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It feels Good to have finished the runner's Up.

I'll ask Chilton tu update the 1001-2001 List @ iCM.

That part will also be affected by the same duplicate vote and unranked too high for one list bugs.
On such low score we're around on the 1800-2000 range, even a small error can lead to masive >50 rank change don't be too suprised.
The excel file i'll post on the poll thread to be used next year will be the corrected version.

Step learning curve for a newb but i made it ;)
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