tobias wrote: ↑April 10th, 2021, 5:16 pm
What I meant by the first paragraph is that we seem to evaluate the weight of ecnomics and culture different. Perhaps as you're a litterature major and I studied economics for a while (and will possibly continue soon), it's not surprising. I'm not always sure how much we speak of general trends and the ICM forum in particular. If we speak only about the forum, you might certainly be right that culture has a bigger impact but I still don't feel it personally when watching Latin American films.
What I meant with American culture not speaking to the youth is similar to what I would mean when I said German culture does not speak to the youth. So maybe we are talking past each other here. In my opinion American culture is extremely intrusive but it speaks in no way to our actual problems. Culture is often largely dictated by the ruling demographic. US culture probably speaks most to the middle aged and rather the older kind than the younger.
With the regards to the popularity or unpopularity of various female directors I agree that there are a number of complex sociological factors involved which we can impossibly unwind here and now but I'm a bit careful about some of the narratives around because gender ultimately to me is a very small factor in a complex body that constitutes our overall sensibilities. I would think for instance that Reygades and Martel probably come from a rather similar place. I even skimmed over some S&S votes and found at least one ballot voting for both La Cienaga and Stellet Licht - and there's only 10 votes on those. I also personally find Martel "easier" than Reygades from what I've seen.
I was just pointing this out about Rohmer. I definitely agree that these are maybe some of the most frenchman films ever (whatever that means excactly). I've watched his films with a number of women over time and overall there were a lot of positive responses even from people where I wouldn't have expected it. Even in general I feel like I have more female friends who would like him than men. My brother hates Rohmer with a burning passion (Rohmer has become a bit of an in-joke inbetween us) - and he did like e.g. Toni Erdmann or Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
I'm not entirely sure which coincidence you mean. Do you mean Sex and Lucia popping up? I actually feel like it did fairly well in this poll but some of that is ofc your vote.
Aren’t culture and economics intertwined?
Watching the whole Trump phenomenon, Brexit, all the radical Muslim and nationalist movements around the world in recent years, I have become evermore aware of how “tribal” most people, and that has everything to do with culture, though economics and a bunch of other realities also play a part.
Of course, higher education tends to create a more global sensibility, but it is very difficult to change where and what you come from, much of which most people aren’t even really that conscious of.
That said, I really began speaking about the influence of culture and gender as it pertains to the users on this forum.
I understand what you mean about the dominant culture of any country not really speaking to or for its youth, but business marketers in America (perhaps the drivers if not creators of American culture) are very savvy, and they spend a lot of effort trying to indoctrinate the youth into the consumer culture, precisely by co-opting what appeals to young people, including counter culture, even rebellion, as part of their very sophisticated product promotion.
Any real threat to the system doesn’t have to be repressed or destroyed, simply paid off.
It’s been interesting living in China, where besides teaching, I also freelance as a copywriter in the advertising industry because in the process I witness very different methods of social indoctrination that is culturally specific to them.
I don’t want to belabor our disagreement over the influence of gender on films, though I think it is very clear that there is a preference on this forum for “male oriented, subject matter, themes, and sensibilities whether these films are made by men or women (yes I acknowledge that some male directors (like Rohmer) might appeal more to women, and a scant few female filmmakers (like Bigelow) might appeal more to men.
As for films popping up, my last post slotted in right after Claire Denis’ The Intruder (maybe her most difficult film, but also among her most interesting), and before Sex & Lucia, when I was discussing Balkan War films, No Man’s Land rolled out right after that post. There was also at least one other like coincidence earlier on, but I forgot what it was.
On a related note, I just came across a German/Spanish co production directed by a woman called For The Time Being (English title) that is streaming on Mubi, and would seem to speak to various themes we hav been discussing. Have you heard of it?
Would love to hear your thoughts on Before the Rain, though it is probably more my kind of film than yours- sensualist, deeply felt, yet also highly imaginative as a narrative, and full of arresting imagery and outstanding soundscape, as well as about a serious human problem that has to do with our “tribalism.”
Also, I didn’t mention it in my last response, but I thought Kusturica’s Underground was very Felliniesque.