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ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2020 [RESULTS]

500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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ICM Forum's Favourite Directors 2020 [RESULTS]

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Here are the results of the ICM Forum's Favourite Directors Poll !

Quick remarks:
- Half-life is 29. This means that the points awarded to each movie decreases by a half each 29 ranks (example: 1st: 15 points; 30th: 7.5 points, 59th : 3.75 points, etc.)
- I downloaded Carmel1379's list from last year because I couldn't have access to the new one (I've been experiencing some bugs with the privacy settings on IMDb...)
- This is my first poll ever, and I have to deal with data from previous years that is not mine, please be patient with me!

IMDb list (Top 500): https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089948325/

Top 500

1. Stanley Kubrick - Change: 0
2. Ingmar Bergman - Change: +1
3. Akira Kurosawa - Change: +1
4. Alfred Hitchcock - Change: -2
5. Billy Wilder - Change: +2
6. Martin Scorsese - Change: -1
7. Ethan Coen - Change: +3
8. Andrei Tarkovsky - Change: -2
9. Orson Welles - Change: +5
10. Fritz Lang - Change: -2
11. David Lynch - Change: -2
12. Quentin Tarantino - Change: +1
13. Luis Buñuel - Change: -2
14. Masaki Kobayashi - Change: +9
15. Roman Polanski - Change: +3
16. Satyajit Ray - Change: +21
17. Rainer Werner Fassbinder - Change: +10
18. Werner Herzog - Change: -1
19. Yasujirô Ozu - Change: +1
20. Krzysztof Kieslowski - Change: -5
21. Robert Bresson - Change: +15
22. Charles Chaplin - Change: 0
23. Sergio Leone - Change: -11
24. Buster Keaton - Change: +14
25. Michelangelo Antonioni - Change: +18
26. Woody Allen - Change: -5
27. Jean-Pierre Melville - Change: -2
28. Steven Spielberg - Change: -9
29. Hayao Miyazaki - Change: -3
30. Sidney Lumet - Change: +9
31. F.W. Murnau - Change: -7
32. Kenji Mizoguchi - Change: +13
33. Éric Rohmer - Change: -17
34. Wes Anderson - Change: -3
35. Michael Haneke - Change: +6
36. Michael Powell - Change: +8
37. Paul Thomas Anderson - Change: -8
38. Jean-Luc Godard - Change: +4
39. Carl Theodor Dreyer - Change: -11
40. Christopher Nolan - Change: +8
41. Ernst Lubitsch - Change: -9
42. David Fincher - Change: -7
43. David Lean - Change: -9
44. Abbas Kiarostami - Change: +5
45. Francis Ford Coppola - Change: +9
46. David Cronenberg - Change: -16
47. Kar-Wai Wong - Change: -7
48. Jean Renoir - Change: -1
49. Howard Hawks - Change: -16
50. William Wyler - Change: +1
51. Robert Altman - Change: +32
52. Frank Capra - Change: -6
53. Alain Resnais - Change: 0
54. Federico Fellini - Change: +3
55. John Ford - Change: -5
56. Lars von Trier - Change: +3
57. Agnès Varda - Change: -1
58. François Truffaut - Change: -6
59. Yimou Zhang - Change: +10
60. Terrence Malick - Change: -5
61. Mikio Naruse - Change: +30
62. John Cassavetes - Change: 0
63. Mike Leigh - Change: +3
64. Vittorio De Sica - Change: +26
65. Brian De Palma - Change: -5
66. Henri-Georges Clouzot - Change: +8
67. John Huston - Change: +4
68. Pedro Almodóvar - Change: -10
69. Luchino Visconti - Change: +15
70. Béla Tarr - Change: 0
71. John Carpenter - Change: -7
72. Hsiao-Hsien Hou - Change: +33
73. Marcel Carné - Change: 0
74. Aki Kaurismäki - Change: +2
75. Elia Kazan - Change: -14
76. Roberto Rossellini - Change: +25
77. James Cameron - Change: -14
78. Preston Sturges - Change: -3
79. Louis Malle - Change: -14
80. Max Ophüls - Change: +9
81. Denis Villeneuve - Change: +37
82. Jim Jarmusch - Change: -2
83. Ridley Scott - Change: +13
84. Hiroshi Teshigahara - Change: +18
85. Wim Wenders - Change: -17
86. Richard Linklater - Change: -19
87. Terry Gilliam - Change: +1
88. Nicholas Ray - Change: +21
89. Milos Forman - Change: -17
90. Jacques Rivette - Change: -5
91. Chan-wook Park - Change: -9
92. Darren Aronofsky - Change: -15
93. Samuel Fuller - Change: +10
94. Pier Paolo Pasolini - Change: 0
95. Guy Maddin - Change: -16
96. Alfonso Cuarón - Change: -9
97. Michael Curtiz - Change: +1
98. Carol Reed - Change: +10
99. Douglas Sirk - Change: -7
100. Jean Cocteau - Change: +75
101. Sam Peckinpah - Change: +11
102. Clint Eastwood - Change: +4
103. Joseph L. Mankiewicz - Change: +44
104. Jean-Pierre Dardenne - Change: -26
105. Edgar Wright - Change: -12
106. Gaspar Noé - Change: -2
107. Sergei M. Eisenstein - Change: +18
108. Mikhail Kalatozov - Change: -11
109. Robert Zemeckis - Change: -9
110. Mamoru Oshii - Change: +9
111. Hirokazu Koreeda - Change: -16
112. Jacques Tati - Change: +3
113. Spike Jonze - Change: +43
114. Don Hertzfeldt - Change: +80
115. Tim Burton - Change: +30
116. Rob Reiner - Change: +8
117. Peter Jackson - Change: -36
118. Anthony Mann - Change: +33
119. Andrzej Wajda - Change: +4
120. Claude Chabrol - Change: -6
121. Josef von Sternberg - Change: +12
122. Jacques Tourneur - Change: +24
123. Ming-liang Tsai - Change: +34
124. Jules Dassin - Change: -8
125. Takeshi Kitano - Change: +6
126. Spike Lee - Change: -16
127. Nicolas Roeg - Change: +22
128. Asghar Farhadi - Change: -42
129. Nuri Bilge Ceylan - Change: +26
130. Jan Svankmajer - Change: -17
131. Bong Joon Ho - Change: +29
132. Roy Andersson - Change: +61
133. Nicolas Winding Refn - Change: +33
134. Peter Weir - Change: -5
135. Jacques Demy - Change: +8
136. Aleksandr Sokurov - Change: +67
137. Theodoros Angelopoulos - Change: +163
138. Mike Nichols - Change: +14
139. Mario Bava - Change: +3
140. Chris Marker - Change: +8
141. George Cukor - Change: -24
142. Alejandro G. Iñárritu - Change: -31
143. Apichatpong Weerasethakul - Change: -16
144. Sion Sono - Change: -45
145. John Frankenheimer - Change: +35
146. Bernardo Bertolucci - Change: -12
147. Raoul Walsh - Change: +14
148. Stanley Kramer - Change: +70
149. Ang Lee - Change: +1
150. Sam Mendes - Change: +85
151. Shôhei Imamura - Change: +25
152. Edward Yang - Change: -45
153. Isao Takahata - Change: +53
154. Steven Soderbergh - Change: +9
155. Maurice Pialat - Change: -29
156. Terence Davies - Change: +31
157. Chantal Akerman - Change: -13
158. Danny Boyle - Change: -22
159. Chuck Jones - Change: +11
160. Dario Argento - Change: -25
161. Jafar Panahi - Change: +70
162. Johnnie To - Change: -9
163. Sang-soo Hong - Change: -42
164. Raoul Ruiz - Change: -42
165. Jean-Pierre Jeunet - Change: +3
166. Michael Mann - Change: -7
167. Don Siegel - Change: -27
168. Yorgos Lanthimos - Change: +32
169. Oliver Stone - Change: +17
170. Nagisa Ôshima - Change: +22
171. Victor Sjöström - Change: -17
172. Takashi Miike - Change: +9
173. Satoshi Kon - Change: -6
174. Michael Snow - Change: -1
175. Fred Zinnemann - Change: -37
176. Robert Wise - Change: +22
177. Peter Greenaway - Change: -47
178. Masaaki Yuasa - Change: +32
179. William A. Wellman - Change: -8
180. Erich von Stroheim - Change: +47
181. Frantisek Vlácil - Change: +32
182. Andrey Zvyagintsev - Change: +37
183. George A. Romero - Change: -6
184. Costa-Gavras - Change: -1
185. Paul Verhoeven - Change: -46
186. Leo McCarey - Change: -66
187. Ken Loach - Change: -46
188. Makoto Shinkai - Change: +174
189. Claire Denis - Change: -52
190. Kon Ichikawa - Change: -8
191. Todd Solondz - Change: +187
192. Tetsuya Nakashima - Change: +5
193. Errol Morris - Change: +14
194. Leos Carax - Change: +82
195. Tex Avery - Change: +27
196. Akio Jissôji - Change: +19
197. Wes Craven - Change: -65
198. Alejandro Jodorowsky - Change: +6
199. Artavazd Peleshian - Change: +240
200. Kim Ki-duk - Change: -72
201. Hélène Cattet - Change: -5
202. Sam Raimi - Change: -38
203. Gakuryû Ishii - Change: +41
204. Brad Bird - Change: -19
205. Pete Docter - Change: +117
206. Jean Epstein - Change: -37
207. Jacques Becker - Change: +2
208. Andrzej Zulawski - Change: +102
209. Taika Waititi - Change: +135
210. Yasuzô Masumura - Change: +46
211. Damien Chazelle - Change: +55
212. Alexander Payne - Change: -24
213. Budd Boetticher - Change: -14
214. D.W. Griffith - Change: +33
215. Gus Van Sant - Change: -53
216. Mervyn LeRoy - Change: -44
217. Vincenzo Natali - Change: -5
218. Jonathan Demme - Change: +77
219. Peter Mettler - Change: +34
220. Sofia Coppola - Change: +21
221. Xavier Dolan - Change: -19
222. John McTiernan - Change: +3
223. Yoshishige Yoshida - Change: +34
224. Víctor Erice - Change: -33
225. Shin'ya Tsukamoto - Change: -4
226. Ousmane Sembene - Change: -37
227. Robert Siodmak - Change: +44
228. Stephen Frears - Change: +54
229. Christian Petzold - Change: +101
230. William Friedkin - Change: -6
231. Chang-dong Lee - Change: +96
232. Carlos Saura - Change: +33
233. Alexander Mackendrick - Change: -13
234. Bryan Singer - Change: -26
235. Todd Haynes - Change: -30
236. Kenneth Anger - Change: +66
237. Louis Feuillade - Change: +99
238. Bob Fosse - Change: +77
239. Jean Vigo - Change: -9
240. Hal Hartley - Change: -75
241. Emir Kusturica - Change: -57
242. Miklós Jancsó - Change: +107
243. John Sturges - Change: +19
244. Andrew Stanton - Change: -65
245. Maya Deren - Change: +51
246. King Vidor - Change: -7
247. Mohsen Makhmalbaf - Change: +3
248. John Woo - Change: -15
249. Mamoru Hosoda - Change: +77
250. Terry Jones - Change: +48
251. Ron Howard - Change: -35
252. Dziga Vertov - Change: +132
253. René Clair - Change: -7
254. Georges Méliès - Change: -12
255. Shunji Iwai - Change: -12
256. Guy Ritchie - Change: -22
257. George Miller - Change: +1130
258. Krzysztof Zanussi - Change: +149
259. James Whale - Change: +50
260. Frank Darabont - Change: -9
261. Hal Ashby - Change: +23
262. Lana Wachowski - Change: +39
263. Thomas Vinterberg - Change: -89
264. John Waters - Change: -19
265. Alain Robbe-Grillet - Change: +26
266. Robert Aldrich - Change: +19
267. Steve McQueen - Change: -89
268. John Hughes - Change: +225
269. Otto Preminger - Change: -52
270. Hark Tsui - Change: -34
271. Umberto Lenzi - Change: +137
272. Dave Fleischer - Change: +74
273. Kelly Reichardt - Change: +138
274. Andrew Adamson - Change: -26
275. Wolfgang Reitherman - Change: +170
276. Jason Reitman - Change: +64
277. Michael Moore - Change: +4
278. Kathryn Bigelow - Change: -83
279. Bruce Baillie - Change: +174
280. George Lucas - Change: +244
281. Mel Brooks - Change: +122
282. Frederick Wiseman - Change: -124
283. Robert E. Fulton - Change: -19
284. Henry Hathaway - Change: +132
285. Edgar Reitz - Change: +23
286. Hiroshi Shimizu - Change: -25
287. Masahiro Shinoda - Change: +103
288. James Benning - Change: +26
289. M. Night Shyamalan - Change: -22
290. Sergio Martino - Change: -290
291. Frank Borzage - Change: -101
292. Michel Gondry - Change: +96
293. Peter Watkins - Change: -53
294. Jonas Mekas - Change: +3
295. Roger Corman - Change: -7
296. Jordan Belson - Change: +359
297. Marcel L'Herbier - Change: +51
298. Philippe Grandrieux - Change: -4
299. Guillermo del Toro - Change: -27
300. Shane Carruth - Change: -8
301. Pedro Costa - Change: +59
302. Danièle Huillet - Change: +116
303. Harmony Korine - Change: +72
304. Katsuhiro Ôtomo - Change: +265
305. Paul W.S. Anderson - Change: -19
306. John Boorman - Change: +90
307. Tony Scott - Change: -38
308. Kaneto Shindô - Change: +8
309. Abel Gance - Change: +131
310. Kihachi Okamoto - Change: -30
311. Patrick Bokanowski - Change: +147
312. Basil Dearden - Change: +296
313. David Yates - Change: -23
314. Julio Medem - Change: +138
315. Bruce Conner - Change: +26
316. Ermanno Olmi - Change: +89
317. Ishirô Honda - Change: +306
318. Vincente Minnelli - Change: -5
319. Trey Parker - Change: -82
320. Paul Clipson - Change: -13
321. Wojciech Has - Change: -110
322. Lee Unkrich - Change: +163
323. Ben Hecht - Change: -11
324. Anatole Litvak - Change: -21
325. Nobuhiko Ôbayashi - Change: +163
326. Susanne Bier - Change: -72
327. James Mangold - Change: +292
328. Stuart Gordon - Change: -35
329. Bruno Dumont - Change: +223
330. Noah Baumbach - Change: -24
331. Germaine Dulac - Change: -48
332. Nick Park - Change: +70
333. Johanna Vaude - Change: -10
334. Stan Brakhage - Change: +113
335. Sydney Pollack - Change: +4
336. Barbet Schroeder - Change: -66
337. Keisuke Kinoshita - Change: +506
338. Céline Sciamma - Change: +223
339. Aleksandr Petrov - Change: -15
340. Arthur Penn - Change: +29
341. Blake Edwards - Change: -73
342. Lucio Fulci - Change: -69
343. René Clément - Change: +163
344. Paolo Sorrentino - Change: -67
345. Cecil B. DeMille - Change: +336
346. George Stevens - Change: -118
347. Joshua Oppenheimer - Change: +11
348. Christopher Guest - Change: -348
349. Robert Clampett - Change: +432
350. Ari Aster - Change: +210
351. Mark Robson - Change: -73
352. Olivier Assayas - Change: -123
353. Martin Arnold - Change: -20
354. William Dieterle - Change: +121
355. James Wan - Change: +38
356. Sohrab Shahid Saless - Change: +578
357. Claude Sautet - Change: +16
358. Larry Jordan - Change: +108
359. Tobe Hooper - Change: +203
360. Peter Bogdanovich - Change: -39
361. David Zucker - Change: -18
362. Jean-Marc Vallée - Change: -8
363. Robert Eggers - Change: +355
364. Harun Farocki - Change: -7
365. Georg Wilhelm Pabst - Change: -164
366. Luc Besson - Change: +26
367. Charlie Kaufman - Change: +238
368. Lav Diaz - Change: -79
369. François Ozon - Change: -27
370. John Sayles - Change: -96
371. Alan Parker - Change: +1
372. Monte Hellman - Change: -158
373. Karel Kachyna - Change: -20
374. Seijun Suzuki - Change: +103
375. J.J. Abrams - Change: +202
376. Mani Kaul - Change: -127
377. Shane Meadows - Change: +10
378. Georges Franju - Change: +285
379. Aleksandr Dovzhenko - Change: +6
380. Jaco Van Dormael - Change: -120
381. Richard Fleischer - Change: +149
382. Norman Jewison - Change: -44
383. Takashi Makino - Change: -17
384. Bert Haanstra - Change: +81
385. Victor Fleming - Change: +359
386. Birgit Hein - Change: -23
387. Takashi Ito - Change: +11
388. Alex Garland - Change: +247
389. Ken Russell - Change: -157
390. Sergei Parajanov - Change: +23
391. Ron Clements - Change: -15
392. Elem Klimov - Change: +152
393. Mitchell Leisen - Change: +11
394. Lucrecia Martel - Change: -14
395. Guy Gilles - Change: -136
396. Roland Emmerich - Change: -19
397. Carmelo Bene - Change: -26
398. Alex Gibney - Change: -17
399. Michael Apted - Change: -47
400. Toshiaki Toyoda - Change: -53
401. David O'Reilly - Change: +305
402. Kôji Morimoto - Change: -3
403. Jean-Jacques Beineix - Change: -69
404. Stanley Donen - Change: -146
405. Zack Snyder - Change: -38
406. Chris Columbus - Change: -89
407. Karel Zeman - Change: +3
408. Penelope Spheeris - Change: -408
409. Juraj Jakubisko - Change: +39
410. Jeff Lieberman - Change: -46
411. Peter B. Hutton - Change: -5
412. Denys Arcand - Change: -26
413. SABU - Change: +22
414. Albert Brooks - Change: -25
415. Tod Browning - Change: -84
416. John Schlesinger - Change: +134
417. King Hu - Change: -67
418. Jack Hill - Change: +2
419. Leighton Pierce - Change: -25
420. Alex van Warmerdam - Change: -23
421. Rian Johnson - Change: +387
422. Mike Flanagan - Change: +112
423. Barry Levinson - Change: -78
424. Majid Majidi - Change: -113
425. Wen Jiang - Change: +38
426. Lynne Ramsay - Change: +457
427. Jared Hess - Change: -427
428. Jay Duplass - Change: -13
429. Leslie Zemeckis - Change: +680
430. Yuri Ilyenko - Change: +21
431. Sylvain Chomet - Change: +575
432. Joseph Losey - Change: -114
433. George Roy Hill - Change: +54
434. Atom Egoyan - Change: -179
435. Ulrich Seidl - Change: -23
436. Robert Rodriguez - Change: -68
437. John Landis - Change: +427
438. Paul Schrader - Change: +8
439. Kôji Masunari - Change: +3
440. Antoine d'Agata - Change: -17
441. Larry Cohen - Change: -136
442. Nicole Rittenmeyer - Change: -15
443. Walter Lang - Change: -78
444. Paul Greengrass - Change: -30
445. Adrian Lyne - Change: -44
446. Tom Tykwer - Change: -118
447. Peter Tscherkassky - Change: +246
448. Bill Douglas - Change: +290
449. Zhangke Jia - Change: -197
450. Aleksey German - Change: +232
451. Martin McDonagh - Change: +17
452. Russell Mulcahy - Change: -26
453. Jennifer Devoldère - Change: -17
454. Hiroshi Ishikawa - Change: -45
455. Kiyoshi Kurosawa - Change: +120
456. Manoel de Oliveira - Change: -136
457. Joris Ivens - Change: -27
458. Sean Baker - Change: +95
459. Martin Ritt - Change: +206
460. Ryûtarô Nakamura - Change: -17
461. Hitoshi Matsumoto - Change: -40
462. Robert Hamer - Change: +425
463. Larisa Shepitko - Change: -131
464. Gillo Pontecorvo - Change: +183
465. Saul Bass - Change: -32
466. J. Lee Thompson - Change: +77
467. David O. Russell - Change: -97
468. Mika Ninagawa - Change: NEW
469. Luigi Bazzoni - Change: +516
470. Franklin J. Schaffner - Change: +67
471. Claude Lanzmann - Change: +7
472. Franco Piavoli - Change: -72
473. Marguerite Duras - Change: -19
474. Hollis Frampton - Change: +9
475. Wilfred Jackson - Change: +234
476. Michael Arias - Change: -59
477. Yuri Norstein - Change: +25
478. David Firth - Change: -19
479. Andrew Niccol - Change: +122
480. Arnaud Desplechin - Change: -11
481. Jay Oliva - Change: -59
482. R. Bruce Elder - Change: -21
483. Jerry Lewis - Change: +13
484. Alejandro Amenábar - Change: -221
485. Jim Henson - Change: +761
486. Yoshiaki Kawajiri - Change: +683
487. Bill Morrison - Change: +596
488. Jean-Claude Rousseau - Change: +244
489. Clyde Geronimi - Change: -70
490. Baz Luhrmann - Change: -40
491. Norman McLaren - Change: -67
492. Katsuhito Ishii - Change: +104
493. Juraj Herz - Change: +376
494. Renny Harlin - Change: +3
495. Tarsem Singh - Change: +76
496. Helmut Käutner - Change: -258
497. Doug Liman - Change: +127
498. Keiichi Hara - Change: -24
499. Dominique Deruddere - Change: -43
500. Henry King - Change: +372
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Stats

Country breakdown of top 200 (courtesy of Teproc)

United States - 75
France - 29
Japan - 21
United Kingdom - 15
Italy - 12
Germany - 9
Soviet Union - 4
Austria - 4
Canada - 4
Taiwan - 4
South Korea - 4
Sweden - 3
Mexico - 3
Poland - 3
Hungary - 3
Denmark - 3
Iran - 3
Czechoslovakia - 3
Greece - 3
Spain - 2
Hong Kong - 2
Belgium - 2
Russia - 2
Chile - 2
India - 1
China - 1
Thailand - 1
Turkey - 1
Australia - 1
Netherlands - 1
Armenia - 1

Decade of birth (Top 200)

1870 - 1 (oldest: Sjöström)
1880 - 7
1890 - 16
1900 - 24
1910 - 15
1920 - 22
1930 - 24
1940 - 33
1950 - 24
1960 - 25
1970 - 9 (youngest : Hertzfeldt)

Biggest drops by directors that were in the top 200 in 2019

#283 Frederick Wiseman (⇩125, from #158) (first time ever outside the top 200)
#292 Frank Borzage (⇩102, from #190)
#264 Thomas Vinterberg (⇩90, from #174)
#268 Steve McQueen (⇩90, from #178)
#279 Kathryn Bigelow (⇩84, from #196)
#240 Hal Hartley (⇩75, from #165)
#200 Ki-duk Kim (⇩72, from #128)
#186 Leo McCarey (⇩66, from #120)
#245 Andrew Stanton (⇩66, from #179)
#197 Wes Craven (⇩65, from #132)
#242 Emir Kusturica (⇩58, from 184)
#215 Gus Van Sant (⇩53, from 162) (first time ever outside the top 200)
#189 Claire Denis (⇩52, from #137)

Top 10 (female directors)

#57 Agnès Varda
#158 Chantal Akerman
#189 Claire Denis
#202 Hélène Cattet (& Bruno Forzani)
#221 Sofia Coppola
#245 Maya Deren
#262 Lana Wachowski & Lilly Wachowski
#273 Kelly Reichardt
#279 Kathryn Bigelow
#302 Danièle Huillet (& Jean-Marie Straub)

They're at their BEST ranking ever (Top 200)

#1 Stanley Kubrick
#3 Akira Kurosawa
#9 Orson Welles
#14 Masaki Kobayashi
#15 Roman Polanski
#16 Satyajit Ray
#17 Rainer Werner Fassbinder
#35 Michael Haneke
#36 Michael Powell/Emeric Pressburger
#59 Yimou Zhang
#61 Mikio Naruse
#64 Vittorio De Sica
#81 Denis Villeneuve
#84 Hiroshi Teshigahara
#100 Jean Cocteau
#127 Nicolas Roeg
#131 Joon-ho Bong
#139 Mario Bava
#145 John Frankenheimer
#148 Stanley Kramer
#153 Isao Takahata
#156 Terence Davies
#169 Oliver Stone
#188 Makoto Shinkai
#196 Akio Jissôji

They're at their WORST ranking ever (Top 200)

#4 Alfred Hitchcock
#10 Fritz Lang
#11 David Lynch
#13 Luis Buñuel
#29 Hayao Miyazaki
#41 Ernst Lubitsch
#49 Howard Hawks
#52 Frank Capra
#55 John Ford
#58 François Truffaut
#62 John Cassavetes
#82 Jim Jarmusch
#171 Victor Sjöström
#186 Leo McCarey
#189 Claire Denis

Lowest ranks for people that have at least one appearance in the top 200

#1654 Philippe Garrel (#190 in 2013)
#1587 Sharunas Bartas (#193 in 2014)
#953 Lukas Moodysson (#183 in 2014)
#878 Bertrand Blier (#184 in 2012)
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#200 (⇩72, #128) Kim Ki-duk
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HYPE !

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#199 (⇧240, #439) Artavazd Peleshian
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#198 (⇧6, #204) Alejandro Jodorowsky
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I was sure I had Jodorowsky on my list. Updating the same list for well over a decade and using it in every poll, I'm kinda stunned I have not noticed this omission before.

Oh well, I guess he'll rank higher next year.
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#197 (⇩65, #132) Wes Craven
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#196 (⇧19, #215) Akio Jissôji
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A bit disappointed Ki-Duk Kim is ranked so low, while you see Wes Craven being ranked higher. Sure, Wes Craven made some good movies and is an iconic horror director, but you could as well include Michael Bay - because despite being despised in movie critics circles - the guy actually produces and directs decent action movies.

(Also, why was he ranked so high last year)?

I'll probably participate in december this year for the first time (but it'll only be a top 10, unless i have seen a ridicilous amount of movies, and have a better idea of more directors).
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#195 (⇧27, #222) Tex Avery
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#194 (⇧82, #276) Leos Carax
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#193 (⇧14, #207) Errol Morris
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#192 (⇧5, #197) Tetsuya Nakashima
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pitchorneirda wrote: March 4th, 2021, 9:23 am (⇩72, #128) Kim Ki-duk
But ... but ... he even died! That's usually a surefire way to shoot up in the ranks.
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#191 (⇧187, #378) Todd Solondz
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Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:09 am A bit disappointed Ki-Duk Kim is ranked so low, while you see Wes Craven being ranked higher. Sure, Wes Craven made some good movies and is an iconic horror director, but you could as well include Michael Bay - because despite being despised in movie critics circles - the guy actually produces and directs decent action movies.

(Also, why was he ranked so high last year)?
I suppose I understand that point-of-view if you not really into horror movies, but coming as a genre fan, I find that comparison insulting. Wes Craven made great films in his time that are not only excellent horror movies and thrillers, but excellent movies full stop.

I don't know why he's low this year. Possibly a few less horror fans submitted ballots, but I really expected him to be a lot higher up.
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sol wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:58 am
Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:09 am A bit disappointed Ki-Duk Kim is ranked so low, while you see Wes Craven being ranked higher. Sure, Wes Craven made some good movies and is an iconic horror director, but you could as well include Michael Bay - because despite being despised in movie critics circles - the guy actually produces and directs decent action movies.

(Also, why was he ranked so high last year)?
I suppose I understand that point-of-view if you not really into horror movies, but coming as a genre fan, I find that comparison insulting. Wes Craven made great films in his time that are not only excellent horror movies and thrillers, but excellent movies full stop.

I don't know why he's low this year. Possibly a few less horror fans submitted ballots, but I really expected him to be a lot higher up.
If you look at the history of our polls, it's his 2nd best performance so that's not such a big surprise
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sol wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:58 am
Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:09 am A bit disappointed Ki-Duk Kim is ranked so low, while you see Wes Craven being ranked higher. Sure, Wes Craven made some good movies and is an iconic horror director, but you could as well include Michael Bay - because despite being despised in movie critics circles - the guy actually produces and directs decent action movies.

(Also, why was he ranked so high last year)?
I suppose I understand that point-of-view if you not really into horror movies, but coming as a genre fan, I find that comparison insulting. Wes Craven made great films in his time that are not only excellent horror movies and thrillers, but excellent movies full stop.

I don't know why he's low this year. Possibly a few less horror fans submitted ballots, but I really expected him to be a lot higher up.
I really like horror. I suppose I haven't seen enough, but his 21st century movies are below average compared to horror standards.
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pitchorneirda wrote: March 4th, 2021, 11:03 am
sol wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:58 am
Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:09 am A bit disappointed Ki-Duk Kim is ranked so low, while you see Wes Craven being ranked higher. Sure, Wes Craven made some good movies and is an iconic horror director, but you could as well include Michael Bay - because despite being despised in movie critics circles - the guy actually produces and directs decent action movies.

(Also, why was he ranked so high last year)?
I suppose I understand that point-of-view if you not really into horror movies, but coming as a genre fan, I find that comparison insulting. Wes Craven made great films in his time that are not only excellent horror movies and thrillers, but excellent movies full stop.

I don't know why he's low this year. Possibly a few less horror fans submitted ballots, but I really expected him to be a lot higher up.
If you look at the history of our polls, it's his 2nd best performance so that's not such a big surprise
He fell over 60 places after a surge last year. I call that a surprise. But my point was mostly directed at Laki: Craven was a great director and does not look at all out-of-place on all-time directors list. :shrug:
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Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 11:04 am I really like horror. I suppose I haven't seen enough, but his 21st century movies are below average compared to horror standards.
Well, to be fair, I haven't seen Cursed or My Soul to Take and I definitely haven't heard much good about them, but Red Eye is awesome, while Scream 3 and Scream 4 are two of very few horror movies that I have seen eight or more times without them ever getting old.

Add in the two Elm Street films he directed, the first two Scream films, The People Under the Stairs and The Serpent and the Rainbow, and that's a heap more great horror movies that most other horror directors have helmed in their lifetimes.

I really think he deserves a place on our list and I shudder at the comparison to Michael Bay. :geek:
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Hmm, I'm with Lakigigar on Craven, but I know you're a big Scream fan. I find his horror work mediocre at best. I think Bay is better than him overall, even more so in context of the genre he works in.
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Onderhond wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:29 am
pitchorneirda wrote: March 4th, 2021, 9:23 am (⇩72, #128) Kim Ki-duk
But ... but ... he even died! That's usually a surefire way to shoot up in the ranks.
That just prompted me to check out his most recent work which really doesn’t help his case. He will be lower down my personal rankings next year.
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Obgeoff wrote: March 4th, 2021, 12:39 pm That just prompted me to check out his most recent work which really doesn’t help his case. He will be lower down my personal rankings next year.
Not sure what you mean. You flash-watched his recent work and didn't like it?
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His death, not your post.
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Dissolve and Human, Space... were the two I watched. Dissolve was utterly dreadful, Human, Space, Time and Human had its moments but was nowhere near as coherent as his earlier best films. I do see you are a supporter of it though.
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Ah! :lol:

Well, that's fair I guess. I still love many of the things he made this past decade (I even consider some of the to be among his very best work). Though it's definitely not as arthouse-friendly as the films that bombarded him as a festival favorite.

I didn't realize Dissolve is already available. Will be looking for that one.
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That being said, you could make the case for cancel culture hitting Ki duk Kim since he's me-too'ed as well. But Roman Polanski still does well in these kind of lists, so I guess it also isn't true for every filmmaker being accused of #metoo allegiations, and i think the degree of Polanski's offenses is much more severe than the ones Ki-duk Kim is being accussed off. Also good luck, cancelling all movies produced by Harvey Weinstein, lol. And given Polanski's case, if your wife is being murdered by some kind of lunatic cult with a psycho leader, you'll get deranged eventually (although most likely it had nothing to do with it).

Eitherway, we must not forget that a movie is not the product a single person. It has usually a large cast and a large crew that are involved with it. And cancelling a movie because of one single person that is known for that movie in particular, undoes the work of all people who have contributed to that movie.

Charles Manson (the famous cult leader that killed Sharon Tate, the wife of Roman Polanski and actress, as well as other people), even has a music album that is rated pretty ok (and would be higher if he wasn't controversial), while you have directors like Leni Riefenstahl who directed and supported the crimes Nazi-Germany committed, so i'm unsure to what extent you can appreciate the work of such a filmmaker, because Riefenstahl's work is credited for her director and cinematography skills, but the message and the movie itself are supposedly very offensive. It is telling to me that such a film is rated pretty high in terms of official lists and TSPDT top 1000. Even if you credit her for how the film was created, but what the film is supposed to be, should be enough to cancel her movies or only watch it from a certain historical perspective (similar to Hitler's Mein Kampf).

Perhaps you can credit Riefenstahl for creating excellent propaganda movies, but should we really support efforts to create excellent propaganda films? Because is it ethically correct. Some guy could've carried out a murder efficiently and perfectly without being noticed, but again, should we really support such an effort, is it ethically correct to do that. I don't think so.

That being said, that's not the case for Polanski's movies, Kim's movies, movies produced by Weinstein, or movies starring Spacey or the music Manson or Michael Jackson created (although films involve a larger crew & cast, than music albums).
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Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 1:05 pm Leni Riefenstahl who directed and supported the crimes Nazi-Germany committed, so i'm unsure to what extent you can appreciate the work of such a filmmaker, because Riefenstahl's work is credited for her director and cinematography skills, but the message and the movie itself are supposedly very offensive. It is telling to me that such a film is rated pretty high in terms of official lists and TSPDT top 1000. Even if you credit her for how the film was created, but what the film is supposed to be, should be enough to cancel her movies or only watch it from a certain historical perspective (similar to Hitler's Mein Kampf).
I don't get your point. Exactly this "or only watch it from a certain historical perspective" is what everyone with some brain is doing.
Triumph des Willens for example is not high ranked in critic-cyrcles because people watching it like "oh yeah, Adolf an his guys, what a bunch of great men". It's because of the great influence on later cinema and television.
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I note that the lower ~200 directors almost always had similarly 200ish rankings. Mhm. Let's see how many big jumps happen.

Onderhond wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:29 am
pitchorneirda wrote: March 4th, 2021, 9:23 am (⇩72, #128) Kim Ki-duk
But ... but ... he even died! That's usually a surefire way to shoot up in the ranks.
Rest in peace then, I guess?
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sol wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:58 am
Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 10:09 am A bit disappointed Ki-Duk Kim is ranked so low, while you see Wes Craven being ranked higher. Sure, Wes Craven made some good movies and is an iconic horror director, but you could as well include Michael Bay - because despite being despised in movie critics circles - the guy actually produces and directs decent action movies.

(Also, why was he ranked so high last year)?
I suppose I understand that point-of-view if you not really into horror movies, but coming as a genre fan, I find that comparison insulting. Wes Craven made great films in his time that are not only excellent horror movies and thrillers, but excellent movies full stop.
Yeah, that's really not fair. Objectively an important director who helped defining the horror genre even twice in his career.
I'm saying this as somebody who shares the critics' sometimes sneery evaluation of the genre as a whole and doesn't feel much for the slasher genre, and thus don't have very much respect for Wes. Of the appraised cult directors, he falls behind the more consistent Carpenter and Romero .. I'd say.
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Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 1:05 pm That being said, you could make the case for cancel culture hitting Ki duk Kim since he's me-too'ed as well. But [...]
To be honest - and without rehashing our discussion form the RIP thread - I guess KKD's rank just moved randomly, as everyone's ranking in this poll does. Simple voter fluctuation.
We can always compare the people who voted for the director in the previous edition. Maybe someone from our Asian mafia skipped this time. (Very probably) some of the horror geeks didn't participate this time to support Wes.

Movements will be interesting for still active directors with important and discussed works, though. For this forum, think Terrence Malick, Spike Lee or Martin Scorsese (to name a few off the top of my head, sorry for the random picks!).
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What pains me more is the appalling support for someone like Nakashima tough. At least he has 4 films official, but none of them manage to get into more than one official list. Sometimes ICM feels like an alternate reality to me.
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I really don't think "cancel culture" has affected Ki-duk Kim's ranking.

It is quite likely that some, if not many have, since the accusations became known, reassessed how they interpret his treatment of women in his films. That doesn't mean that they would note vote for him though - it is only that the life of the artist can colour how many interpret a work - and thus have can affect on our enjoyment - but that's not cancel-culture.

As far as I understand cancel culture is about boycotting or more aggressively wanting to shut someone down due to opinions they hold, or actions they have done - quite different.

If people were actively lobbying the poll holder to exclude votes for Ki-duk Kim or were lobbying people to boycott Ki-duk Kim (i.e. not have them on their list) it would be cancel culture. (Unless I understand the term wrongly).

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Honestly, Ki-duk Kim is ranking lower and lower because he - like Wong Kar-Wai rode a high wave in the late 90s to 00s (Kim slightly later) and then burnt out. He obviously had his breakdown in 2008, removing him from the industry (see Arirang - his personal documentary on it) - and this was after already being considered to lose steam over his last films. Once he was back he back to films that made fans excited he was back, but only with moderate success - followed by a string of films that just dropped off the radar. His fall also coincides with the general decrease of Western interest in Asian directors, including people like Miike.

Up to and including The Bow (2005) there was a general idea that he was on his way to becoming one of the great directors (or that he already was one of them) - just as the buzz was around Wong and Miike - then - he made work that was considered increasingly flat - Time, Breath and Dream - his breakdown and hiatus - and semi disappointing return ending in obscurity. The buzz fizzled out, and people lost faith/interest - all this was LONG before the accusations were made.

I actually still have him on #41 (it is an old list) - I should probably place him lower - as I feel no excitement when thinking about seeking out his new films. (It would also be good to rewatch some of his work, which I have honestly never done - and of the pre-2011 films I'm not sure if I saw any of them last decade.
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Also - Re: Cancel culture effects.

Ki-duk Kim had his lowest placement - 310 - before the accusations were known - after falling every year.

He went up 135 spots after they were known, and:

He then shot up to #128 just last year - his second-highest placement - long after the accusations were well known.
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St. Gloede wrote: March 4th, 2021, 3:03 pm long after the accusations were well known.
Except that when he died half the forum didn't know anything about them at all :P
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I think it's hard to draw any really meaningful conclusions based on the small sample size of voters, particularly for the names this low on the poll - I mean a couple of these folks only got 4 votes - if they lost just one high vote from the previous year that would probably mean a huge drop. So I think - without any further evidence, which we likely won't get - it's really hard to draw many conclusions as to why we have the drops or rises for people like Craven, Kim, Nakashima, etc.

As a corollary to what Gloede just wrote about Kim, I think it's also likely that in the minds of many cineastes, he has been superseded over the last 10-15 years by his contemporaries - Bong of course had his biggest critical and commercial hit just recently, Park had a big hit with The Handmaiden, Hong continues on in the same vein as he's always been in, not necessarily hitting any new peaks but also not dropping, Lee's Burning was a big critical success, perhaps the biggest he's had. Etc etc. Not that this does or should mean anything to most of us or to anyone really serious about Korean cinema, but I do think it can have an effect on new people coming into what is a new territory for them - whose films do you look out for if you're new to Korean cinema? Rosenbaum wrote some time ago about how people tend to focus on one or two representative names when it comes to an "exotic" film culture to them - Almodóvar represents all of Spanish cinema, Kiarostami, all of Iranian cinema, that sort of thing. I think this doesn't apply to really large (cinema) countries like India, Japan or France - but it used to when they were first getting known. Back in the 50s if you were in the west and wanted to dip your toe into Japan it was going to be Kurosawa full stop - India was going to be Ray. I think some of that goes on even with today's more knowledgeable film buffs who have so many ways to get information and films. Unless you're REALLY specializing in an area you're going to take shortcuts, and you're going to skip some people, and you're probably going to notice the most high-profile names first.
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Gordon_Gekko wrote: March 4th, 2021, 2:29 pm
Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 1:05 pm Leni Riefenstahl who directed and supported the crimes Nazi-Germany committed, so i'm unsure to what extent you can appreciate the work of such a filmmaker, because Riefenstahl's work is credited for her director and cinematography skills, but the message and the movie itself are supposedly very offensive. It is telling to me that such a film is rated pretty high in terms of official lists and TSPDT top 1000. Even if you credit her for how the film was created, but what the film is supposed to be, should be enough to cancel her movies or only watch it from a certain historical perspective (similar to Hitler's Mein Kampf).
I don't get your point. Exactly this "or only watch it from a certain historical perspective" is what everyone with some brain is doing.
Triumph des Willens for example is not high ranked in critic-cyrcles because people watching it like "oh yeah, Adolf an his guys, what a bunch of great men". It's because of the great influence on later cinema and television.
It's not because something has been an influence to other movies, that it suddenly becomes a good movie. Secondly, esp. if that influence is very negative with violent or genocidal advocation.
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Onderhond wrote: March 4th, 2021, 2:44 pm What pains me more is the appalling support for someone like Nakashima tough. At least he has 4 films official, but none of them manage to get into more than one official list. Sometimes ICM feels like an alternate reality to me.
I honestly think you should be glad he made it in on a forum that has an obsession with watching "official movies" over "unofficial movies", given the director only has 4 official movie, all on only one official list. Secondly, the director really isn't well known and has only directed 8 movies so far. To be honest, it's quite amazing he mades it in this top 200 list, and I think you should be glad he made it in for three times in a row, because Nakashima isn't that well-recognized.
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OldAle1 wrote: March 4th, 2021, 3:20 pmAs a corollary to what Gloede just wrote about Kim, I think it's also likely that in the minds of many cineastes, he has been superseded over the last 10-15 years by his contemporaries - Bong of course had his biggest critical and commercial hit just recently, Park had a big hit with The Handmaiden, Hong continues on in the same vein as he's always been in, not necessarily hitting any new peaks but also not dropping, Lee's Burning was a big critical success, perhaps the biggest he's had. Etc etc. Not that this does or should mean anything to most of us or to anyone really serious about Korean cinema, but I do think it can have an effect on new people coming into what is a new territory for them - whose films do you look out for if you're new to Korean cinema? Rosenbaum wrote some time ago about how people tend to focus on one or two representative names when it comes to an "exotic" film culture to them - Almodóvar represents all of Spanish cinema, Kiarostami, all of Iranian cinema, that sort of thing. I think this doesn't apply to really large (cinema) countries like India, Japan or France - but it used to when they were first getting known. Back in the 50s if you were in the west and wanted to dip your toe into Japan it was going to be Kurosawa full stop - India was going to be Ray. I think some of that goes on even with today's more knowledgeable film buffs who have so many ways to get information and films. Unless you're REALLY specializing in an area you're going to take shortcuts, and you're going to skip some people, and you're probably going to notice the most high-profile names first.
If you think Korean cinema only offers only a handful movies with only 3 famous directors, you have a dead wrong view about Southern Korea. Or should we say that all US directors from the 20th century are superseded by it's 21st century counterparts as well. Chan-Wook Park, Joon-ho Bong, Chang-Dong Lee and Sang-soo Hong all make movies that are very different in style and substance than Ki-Duk Kim, and it proves that South Korea has a lot to offer to cinephiles. South-Korea IS a large-cinema country ;)

I'm not really considered a cinephile, because I haven't even watched 1000 movies yet. Still I can say, i saw 18 South-Korean movies. Only Japan, France, my native country Belgium, the UK and the USA do better, and it's not like i've been focusing on South Korea more than others consciously. And I still have famous movies left like The Host, Burning and Memories of Murder. There is still a lot left to discover from Korea for me.

F.Y.I. i think Farhadi is more known than Kiarostami (and perhaps Panahi as well). And Almodovar is the most well-known arthouse name from Spain, but Spain has some more mainstream directors like Aja and Bayona. And if we include Latin America directors, the well-known trio of Mexico does a lot better on all aspects than Almodovar (as well as Bunuel, and for extreme cinephiles Reygadas).
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Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 4:35 pm
Gordon_Gekko wrote: March 4th, 2021, 2:29 pm
Lakigigar wrote: March 4th, 2021, 1:05 pm Leni Riefenstahl who directed and supported the crimes Nazi-Germany committed, so i'm unsure to what extent you can appreciate the work of such a filmmaker, because Riefenstahl's work is credited for her director and cinematography skills, but the message and the movie itself are supposedly very offensive. It is telling to me that such a film is rated pretty high in terms of official lists and TSPDT top 1000. Even if you credit her for how the film was created, but what the film is supposed to be, should be enough to cancel her movies or only watch it from a certain historical perspective (similar to Hitler's Mein Kampf).
I don't get your point. Exactly this "or only watch it from a certain historical perspective" is what everyone with some brain is doing.
Triumph des Willens for example is not high ranked in critic-cyrcles because people watching it like "oh yeah, Adolf an his guys, what a bunch of great men". It's because of the great influence on later cinema and television.
It's not because something has been an influence to other movies, that it suddenly becomes a good movie. Secondly, esp. if that influence is very negative with violent or genocidal advocation.
It's not the content, that made it filmhistorical relevant, it's how it was made.
"Riefenstahl was one who changed the face of documentary film forever. Her use of physical gaps and hierarchical distinction between leader and followers are just two of the aspects of the film that set it apart from other documentaries of the time. Triumph of the Will (1935) was monumental in that it was one of the first observational documentaries. It shows events – parades, mass assemblies, images of Hitler, speeches – that are occurring as if the camera was recording what would have happened…regardless if there were cameras present or not. There is no spoken commentary, only speeches by Hitler and other Nazi leaders, and this is how it differs from propaganda and documentary film. Triumph of the Will “demonstrates the power of the image to represent the historical world at the same moment as it participates in the construction of the historical world itself” (Nichols 178)."
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