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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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Just sent a write-in ballot for 10 more votes. B) --- (my original results)

Updated Breakdown of Votes

0 = 20 films
1 = 26 films
2 = 74 films
3 = 98 films
4 = 52 films
5 = 45 films
6 = 44 films

Voted on 359 films in total; mean vote: 3.25
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Angel Glez wrote: April 4th, 2021, 7:04 pm
Melvelet wrote: April 4th, 2021, 2:55 pm Angel, do you still have a list of the holdovers from last year and did you originally track who nominated which movie? Asking for additional stats for this month's challenge
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Thanks a lot! Do you also have the nominators for the current (complete) ballot?
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Hello, I'd like to suggest some films currently not on the list.
The Dark Crystal (1982)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
The Last Black Man in San Franciso (2019)
The Lion King (1994)
The Color Purple (1985)
Metropolis (2001)
Your Name (2014)
Summer Wars (2009)
Wolf Children (2012)
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DanFain_Lyndon wrote: April 5th, 2021, 12:32 pm Hello, I'd like to suggest some films currently not on the list.
The Dark Crystal (1982)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
The Last Black Man in San Franciso (2019)
The Lion King (1994)
The Color Purple (1985)
Metropolis (2001)
Your Name (2014)
Summer Wars (2009)
Wolf Children (2012)
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Unfortunately for you, it's too late to nominate movies. Maybe next year.
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Melvelet wrote: April 5th, 2021, 8:33 am
Angel Glez wrote: April 4th, 2021, 7:04 pm
Melvelet wrote: April 4th, 2021, 2:55 pm Angel, do you still have a list of the holdovers from last year and did you originally track who nominated which movie? Asking for additional stats for this month's challenge
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Thanks a lot! Do you also have the nominators for the current (complete) ballot?
I haven't had time to do that yet.
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DanFain_Lyndon wrote: April 5th, 2021, 12:32 pm Hello, I'd like to suggest some films currently not on the list.
The Dark Crystal (1982)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018)
The Last Black Man in San Franciso (2019)
The Lion King (1994)
The Color Purple (1985)
Metropolis (2001)
Your Name (2014)
Summer Wars (2009)
Wolf Children (2012)
As joachimt said, the nomination period was closed. We are currently rating the films (see the OP).
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sol wrote: April 5th, 2021, 2:31 am Just sent a write-in ballot for 10 more votes. B) --- (my original results)

Updated Breakdown of Votes

0 = 20 films
1 = 26 films
2 = 74 films
3 = 98 films
4 = 52 films
5 = 45 films
6 = 44 films

Voted on 359 films in total; mean vote: 3.25
Excel says 358-3.24 :whistling:
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Angel Glez wrote: April 5th, 2021, 3:20 pm
sol wrote: April 5th, 2021, 2:31 am Just sent a write-in ballot for 10 more votes. B) --- (my original results)

Updated Breakdown of Votes

0 = 20 films
1 = 26 films
2 = 74 films
3 = 98 films
4 = 52 films
5 = 45 films
6 = 44 films

Voted on 359 films in total; mean vote: 3.25
Excel says 358-3.24 :whistling:
:huh: Okay, I'll take your word for it (and adjust it in my stats going forward) until I can work out what I have missed. :mw_confused:
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Finally ready!

Overall: 561
Average rating: 2.81

Rating Distribution:
0: 39
1: 79
2: 142
3: 122
4: 93
5: 49
6: 42
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Overall: 139
Average rating: 3.58 (much higher than last year I think, but I hadn't made nominations so that's twelve more 6 than usual)

Rating Distribution:

0= 4
1= 9
2= 29
3= 32
4= 18
5= 19
6= 28
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Just sent a write-in ballot for 22 more votes. B) ----------------------- (my original stats)

(I know that's a lot in a couple of days, but most are shorts)

Updated Breakdown of Votes

0 = 20 films
1 = 27 films
2 = 76 films
3 = 103 films
4 = 56 films
5 = 53 films
6 = 46 films

Voted on 380 films in total; mean vote: 3.28
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Sent in my vote.

Breakdown of Votes

0 = 12 films
1 = 70 films
2 = 76 films
3 = 32 films
4 = 8 films
5 = 31 films
6 = 11 films

Voted on 240 films in total; mean vote: 2.38
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Sent my vote in.

Breakdown

0 = 5 films
1 = 11 films
2 = 12 films
3 = 13 films
4 = 16 films
5 = 11 films
6 = 20 films

88 total, mean vote: 3.56

I interpret the instructions for ratings that ratings should be about evenly distributed, at least for the 3s and above, so I just took my master list, divived everything I feel positively about evenly, and went from there. And then there's a surplus of 6s because of my own submissions.
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Just sent a write-in ballot for 20 more votes. B) ----------------------- (my original stats)

Again, mostly shorts.

Updated Breakdown of Votes

0 = 20 films
1 = 28 films
2 = 78 films
3 = 107 films
4 = 66 films
5 = 56 films
6 = 46 films

Voted on 400 films in total; mean vote: 3.30
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2 = 3 films
3 = 3 films
4 = 4 films
5 = 16 films
6 = 8 films

mean vote: 4.68

High mean can be explained by few dislikes and lots of favourites that i've seen from the list (a majority being 8+ while my average is just a little bit over 6) so yes perhaps the disadvantage is more for movies i haven't seen out of the list. I abstained from voting for 1 movie (300) which would've gotten a 3 based on the rating i currently give to it.

Perhaps i'll watch a few (and mostly the ones I think i'll like), but i'll try to participate more next year (so if someone can provide me with a list of the DtC nominees up next year, i can already watch a selection of it, after the current process is over).

Also i still have to do procedure 2 and i'm not sure what it means. I'll see.
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Teproc wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:52 am I interpret the instructions for ratings that ratings should be about evenly distributed, at least for the 3s and above, so I just took my master list, divived everything I feel positively about evenly, and went from there. And then there's a surplus of 6s because of my own submissions.
I haven't seen instructions for ratings... but yes, i was quite unsure, but if a lot of DtC nominees turns out to be favourites, it would be ridicilous to rate a movie i liked a lot to rate it below 3 because people don't nominate movies I (strongly) dislike? But yes i've had some trouble rating it, since a disproportional amount seem to be favourites.

Around 1/5th of all movies i've seen, i rate 8 or higher than 8 (which translates to 5 on this ballot, or 6 if high 9/10). Apparently 24 out of 35 movies were rated 8 or higher on IMDb, so quality seems to be quite high, or I just had the luck to watch the right movies (and also i nominated 12 movies i of course like a lot, which helps too i guess). Excluding those i still have 12/21 that were rated 8 or higher, which is still better than 20% of all movies.
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Lakigigar wrote: April 10th, 2021, 12:48 pmAlso i still have to do procedure 2 and i'm not sure what it means. I'll see.
I'm not sure either, because I don't know what you mean with "procedure 2". :shrug:
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Teproc wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:52 am I interpret the instructions for ratings that ratings should be about evenly distributed, at least for the 3s and above
Not necessarily. One thing is your own taste and another this (very diverse) ballot.
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Angel Glez wrote: April 10th, 2021, 3:57 pm
Teproc wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:52 am I interpret the instructions for ratings that ratings should be about evenly distributed, at least for the 3s and above
Not necessarily. One thing is your own taste and another this (very diverse) ballot.
I mean that in the sense that it's catgorize as even groups of 600. So the ballot might mean there's a imbalance, but in the absolute you should have as many 6s as 5s etc. At least that's my understanding.
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Teproc wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:59 pm
Angel Glez wrote: April 10th, 2021, 3:57 pm
Teproc wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:52 am I interpret the instructions for ratings that ratings should be about evenly distributed, at least for the 3s and above
Not necessarily. One thing is your own taste and another this (very diverse) ballot.
I mean that in the sense that it's catgorize as even groups of 600. So the ballot might mean there's a imbalance, but in the absolute you should have as many 6s as 5s etc. At least that's my understanding.
There has to be some kind of categorization in your list of favorites, but the DtC ballot is unclassifiable. :P
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joachimt wrote: April 10th, 2021, 2:39 pm
Lakigigar wrote: April 10th, 2021, 12:48 pmAlso i still have to do procedure 2 and i'm not sure what it means. I'll see.
I'm not sure either, because I don't know what you mean with "procedure 2". :shrug:
My ballot is approved, so no issues.
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Lakigigar wrote: April 10th, 2021, 12:48 pm Perhaps i'll watch a few (and mostly the ones I think i'll like), but i'll try to participate more next year (so if someone can provide me with a list of the DtC nominees up next year, i can already watch a selection of it, after the current process is over).
Ángel usually provides a list of the holdovers (films on this year's ballot that had a high score but not enough votes to make the list) and revotes (films currently on the DTC list that are up for a revote next year) after the final list is revealed.
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Teproc wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:59 pm
Angel Glez wrote: April 10th, 2021, 3:57 pm
Teproc wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:52 am I interpret the instructions for ratings that ratings should be about evenly distributed, at least for the 3s and above
Not necessarily. One thing is your own taste and another this (very diverse) ballot.
I mean that in the sense that it's catgorize as even groups of 600. So the ballot might mean there's a imbalance, but in the absolute you should have as many 6s as 5s etc. At least that's my understanding.
I don’t understand how you come to that conclusion. With the groups of 600, you mean the guideline of which part of the TSPDT list refers to, (f.e. 6 means I think this movie should have been in the top 600 of the original TSP list)?
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: April 11th, 2021, 3:42 am
Teproc wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:59 pm
Angel Glez wrote: April 10th, 2021, 3:57 pm
Not necessarily. One thing is your own taste and another this (very diverse) ballot.
I mean that in the sense that it's catgorize as even groups of 600. So the ballot might mean there's a imbalance, but in the absolute you should have as many 6s as 5s etc. At least that's my understanding.
I don’t understand how you come to that conclusion. With the groups of 600, you mean the guideline of which part of the TSPDT list refers to, (f.e. 6 means I think this movie should have been in the top 600 of the original TSP list)?
Yes. How is that hard to understand? Maybe I'm expressing it poorly, but here's what I mean: my normal ratings have a Bell curve shape, right? Lot of "good" films, not so many great ones. But the distribution suggested by those 600 groups is an even one, that's all I mean.
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But since the ballot is made up out of randomly suggested films, it's perfectly possible you don't believe any of the ballot suggestions belong in the TSPDT list, no?
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Teproc wrote: April 11th, 2021, 6:18 am Yes. How is that hard to understand? Maybe I'm expressing it poorly, but here's what I mean: my normal ratings have a Bell curve shape, right? Lot of "good" films, not so many great ones. But the distribution suggested by those 600 groups is an even one, that's all I mean.
I believe you may be thinking of rating the films on the ballot relative to each other (which sounds like a perfectly plausible way to do it too, but isn't the way it's being done now). The current rating is based on absolute ratings.

With the current rating system, if you dislike all the ballot films you can just give 0s across the board.
With the rating system you seem to be suggesting, you'd still have a bunch of 6s, for the hated films you hate the least?

Is that where the confusion lies?
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Status report

The players (29):
beavis
cayh
ChrisReynolds
cinephage
Dolwphin
DudeLanez
filmbantha
flavo5000
flip
frbrown
greennui
Ivan0716
joachimt
Lakigigar
Mifune
mightysparks
Onderhond
Perception de Ambiguity
pitchorneirda
RolandKirkSunglasses
Silga
sol
St. Gloede
Teproc
tobias
twodeadmagpies
Umbugbene
zhangalan
zzzorf

Average number of voted films per voter and average rating overall:
247-3,43 (last 5 years average: 3,34)

Top voters:
beavis-578
St. Gloede-561
joachimt-442
flavo5000-422
sol-400

Highest average rating:
Lakigigar-4,68
greennui-4,29
cinephage-4,24
Silga-4,06
Dolwphin-4,02

Lowest average rating:
mightysparks-2,38
Ivan0716-2,43
St. Gloede-2,85
DudeLanez-2,92
RolandKirkSunglasses-2,96

Most voted films of each decade:
Suspense-18
Underworld-17
Arigatô-san-16
Brute Force-21
Die Brücke-19
Charade-24
La planète sauvage-23
Tenkû no shiro Rapyuta-22
Pi-23
Road to Perdition-22
Prisoners-24

Nominator of the highest rated films so far:
filmbantha
Hunziker
cayh
flavo5000
Umbugbene

Lowest rated films so far:
The Dante Quartet
A Night at the Roxbury
300
Hustlers
L'orribile segreto del Dr. Hichcock

Films without a single vote:
Spoiler
...und deine Liebe auch
A Mordida
Abolição
Akenfield
Alone in the Wilderness Part II
Ángel de fuego
Angry Inuk
Áo lua Hà Dông
Belyy Bim Chernoe ukho
Body Rock
Buddies
Central Park
Days of Waiting
Deformer
Dominion
Don Cesare di Bazan
Duct Tape Forever
Dvadtsat shest komissarov
Dzien swira
Dzma
El silencio de otros
Eye of God
Fiamma che non si spegne
Fuori dal giorno
Glória
Gondola
Grauzone
Gun Hill Road
Guns
Hjertestart
Huo shan qing xue
I topi grigi
Ijaazat
Il dono
Il ne suffit pas que Dieu soit avec les pauvres
Il peccato
Infancia clandestina
Ise Yarar Bir Sey
Jibun no ana no nakade
Jivaro
Kirk Douglas: Before I Forget
La casa Emak Bakia
Lage Raho Munna Bhai
Las aguas bajan turbias
Lasermannen
Los peloteros
Luk e-san
Mama, ich lebe
Martin pleure
Mascara
Massacre
Mechta
Nebulosan
Nesting Dolls
Odissea
Ordnung
Passing Strangers
Pushwagner
Rasendes Grün mit Pferden
Requiem for Sally
River Yar
Ruby Gentry
Semnadtsat mgnoveniy vesny
Smiley's People
Taekwondo
Tharlo
The Churning of Kalki
The Half-Breed
The Illiac Passion
The Kidnappers
The Other Side
The Road to Glory
The Salt Mines
The Syrian Bride
The Tattered Dress
The Young Pope
Through an Open Window
Tout un hiver sans feu
Usuzumi no sakura
Vagabunda
Vaveragrogh
Via Mala
Vigil in the Night
Xue er
Yomigaeru kinrô
Zero Patience
Zugvögel - ... einmal nach Inari
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Oh so you can vote with a zero. I didn't know that.

But what is the difference between "mean" and "rating"?
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Lakigigar wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:59 am But what is the difference between "mean" and "rating"?
This is the mean rating:
Lowest rated films so far:
The Dante Quartet
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Angel Glez wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:03 am Top voters:
beavis-578
St. Gloede-561
joachimt-442
flavo5000-422
sol-400
Wow. :banana: I've been playing this game for 11 years, and this is the first time that I have ever been listed as a top-voter (yes, I'm aware that there are many who haven't submitted their ballot yet, but it's still cool). I guess that comes from watching loads of shorts. I don't know if I'll be able to maintain a top-voter position, but I would like to beat my personal record of 459 if possible. Still not sure why I voted on so many films in 2016. Must have been more titles than usual on the ballot that year.

Oh, thanks again for the excerpt. Still looking good on my end.
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Onderhond wrote: April 11th, 2021, 8:38 am
Teproc wrote: April 11th, 2021, 6:18 am Yes. How is that hard to understand? Maybe I'm expressing it poorly, but here's what I mean: my normal ratings have a Bell curve shape, right? Lot of "good" films, not so many great ones. But the distribution suggested by those 600 groups is an even one, that's all I mean.
I believe you may be thinking of rating the films on the ballot relative to each other (which sounds like a perfectly plausible way to do it too, but isn't the way it's being done now). The current rating is based on absolute ratings.

With the current rating system, if you dislike all the ballot films you can just give 0s across thige board.
With the rating system you seem to be suggesting, you'd still have a bunch of 6s, for the hated films you hate the least?

Is that where the confusion lies?
This. Than I did understand. It just doesn’t make any sense to me to think of the ratings as relative to each other. Those groups guidelines to me are just an indication of how good you think a movie is.
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Sent my vote in
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Lakigigar wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:59 am But what is the difference between "mean" and "rating"?
Ask IMDb. ;)
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Onderhond wrote: April 11th, 2021, 8:38 am
Teproc wrote: April 11th, 2021, 6:18 am Yes. How is that hard to understand? Maybe I'm expressing it poorly, but here's what I mean: my normal ratings have a Bell curve shape, right? Lot of "good" films, not so many great ones. But the distribution suggested by those 600 groups is an even one, that's all I mean.
I believe you may be thinking of rating the films on the ballot relative to each other (which sounds like a perfectly plausible way to do it too, but isn't the way it's being done now). The current rating is based on absolute ratings.

With the current rating system, if you dislike all the ballot films you can just give 0s across the board.
With the rating system you seem to be suggesting, you'd still have a bunch of 6s, for the hated films you hate the least?

Is that where the confusion lies?
No that's not what I'm saying. I could theoretically have only 0s (if I didn't submit anything), but I don't really know how I'm expressing it so badly. The thing says to break in grousp of 600, but given I need to adapt that because I've only seen somewhere in the 2100 films or so, so I took all of the film I feel poisitively towards, broke them in even groups and then looked at where the films that are on the ballot fell.
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sol wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:40 am Still not sure why I voted on so many films in 2016. Must have been more titles than usual on the ballot that year.
That ballot was insanely large. :sweat:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Angel Glez wrote: April 11th, 2021, 2:36 pm
sol wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:40 am Still not sure why I voted on so many films in 2016. Must have been more titles than usual on the ballot that year.
That ballot was insanely large. :sweat:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Oh, wow. Was that the last year where you allowed us to have 15 nominations?
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sol wrote: April 11th, 2021, 2:38 pm
Angel Glez wrote: April 11th, 2021, 2:36 pm
sol wrote: April 11th, 2021, 11:40 am Still not sure why I voted on so many films in 2016. Must have been more titles than usual on the ballot that year.
That ballot was insanely large. :sweat:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Oh, wow. Was that the last year where you allowed us to have 15 nominations?
Even 16! (Plus a lot of revotes)
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Lakigigar wrote: April 11th, 2021, 10:59 am Oh so you can vote with a zero. I didn't know that.

But what is the difference between "mean" and "rating"?
mean = average in mathematics.
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Teproc wrote: April 11th, 2021, 2:35 pm
Onderhond wrote: April 11th, 2021, 8:38 am
Teproc wrote: April 11th, 2021, 6:18 am Yes. How is that hard to understand? Maybe I'm expressing it poorly, but here's what I mean: my normal ratings have a Bell curve shape, right? Lot of "good" films, not so many great ones. But the distribution suggested by those 600 groups is an even one, that's all I mean.
I believe you may be thinking of rating the films on the ballot relative to each other (which sounds like a perfectly plausible way to do it too, but isn't the way it's being done now). The current rating is based on absolute ratings.

With the current rating system, if you dislike all the ballot films you can just give 0s across the board.
With the rating system you seem to be suggesting, you'd still have a bunch of 6s, for the hated films you hate the least?

Is that where the confusion lies?
No that's not what I'm saying. I could theoretically have only 0s (if I didn't submit anything), but I don't really know how I'm expressing it so badly. The thing says to break in grousp of 600, but given I need to adapt that because I've only seen somewhere in the 2100 films or so, so I took all of the film I feel poisitively towards, broke them in even groups and then looked at where the films that are on the ballot fell.
So, are you're saying that...
a) you look at all of the films that you've seen, and divide those into even groups?
b) you look at only the films on the ballot that you've seen, and divide those into even groups?

If it's a), that makes sense, and thus your groups would all be even, but your rating groups on the ballot wouldn't necessarily be.
If it's b), I think that's the part that doesn't make sense to a few of us, given that the ballot is not a perfect sampling of all of the films you've seen (or in general), and instead are rather skewed (especially given that a couple thousand of the more critically acclaimed ones are excluded).
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I sent my ballot.

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