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I probably had some directors on my "missing" list because their first feature was directed by two people. Then Excel didn't catch those.
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Fergenaprido wrote: February 12th, 2021, 1:22 am
Fergenaprido wrote: February 11th, 2021, 10:09 pm and the rest I'll add to my next batch when I finish the letter L later today.
Done all the L directors, plus all the ones Joachim mentioned.

Another batch in the first tab. Over 2700 directors now.
Thanks added it to the lists.
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I may go back and add more before the deadline, but wanted to get something down in case I don't have the time or energy. :cheers:
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Finished going through M & N directors. Almost 3000 names done now.
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I rebuilt the lists by taking everything from the first tab in Ferge's spreadsheet and what was before on the IMDb and iCM lists, removing all duplicates and non-debuts, and re-added them to the IMDb and iCM lists. So they should be totally up to date and corrected now.

Also added a few from the RtD challenge:
Ti West : The Roost (2005)
Patrick Brice: Creep (I) (2014)
Herbert Achternbusch: Das Andechser Gefühl (1974)
Joe Begos: Almost Human (2013)
Alexander Payne: The Passion of Martin (1991)
Roberta Findlay: Take Me Naked (1966)
John Polonia, Mark Polonia, Todd Michael Smith : Church of the Damned (1985)
John McNaughton: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986)
John Amero, Michael Findlay: Body of a Female (1964)
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 14th, 2021, 5:33 pm I rebuilt the lists by taking everything from the first tab in Ferge's spreadsheet and what was before on the IMDb and iCM lists, removing all duplicates and non-debuts, and re-added them to the IMDb and iCM lists. So they should be totally up to date and corrected now.

Also added a few from the RtD challenge:
John McNaughton: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986)
Added everything and fixed the mistakes you flagged in the spreadsheet. Also finished the O directors, and a bunch of M ones I somehow skipped.

For McNaughton, wouldn't his debut be Hollywood Crime Wave (1984)?
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This list idea is great!
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089015516/
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Fergenaprido wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:00 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 14th, 2021, 5:33 pm I rebuilt the lists by taking everything from the first tab in Ferge's spreadsheet and what was before on the IMDb and iCM lists, removing all duplicates and non-debuts, and re-added them to the IMDb and iCM lists. So they should be totally up to date and corrected now.

Also added a few from the RtD challenge:
John McNaughton: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986)
Added everything and fixed the mistakes you flagged in the spreadsheet. Also finished the O directors, and a bunch of M ones I somehow skipped.

For McNaughton, wouldn't his debut be Hollywood Crime Wave (1984)?
Yeah, you’re right. Or Dealers in Death, other sites state that as his first. But can’t figure out which of the two. Or if there even is a difference and those three first film on IMDb are just the same movie under different titles.
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Those first three do all seem like different cuts of the same film, or at least two of them do. Hollywood Crime Wave seems to be the original, but I'm not sure.
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Fergenaprido wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:00 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 14th, 2021, 5:33 pm I rebuilt the lists by taking everything from the first tab in Ferge's spreadsheet and what was before on the IMDb and iCM lists, removing all duplicates and non-debuts, and re-added them to the IMDb and iCM lists. So they should be totally up to date and corrected now.

Also added a few from the RtD challenge:
John McNaughton: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986)
Added everything and fixed the mistakes you flagged in the spreadsheet. Also finished the O directors, and a bunch of M ones I somehow skipped.

For McNaughton, wouldn't his debut be Hollywood Crime Wave (1984)?
Added the new batch from your spreadsheet
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Added a big batch of 250 names. Finished P,Q,R. :run:
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Might add more later, but this will do for now. ^_^ Haven't been following the eligibility discussions too closely, so feel free to ditch whatever isn't eligible.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/dire ... buts/sol-/

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Fergenaprido wrote: February 20th, 2021, 1:20 am Added a big batch of 250 names. Finished P,Q,R. :run:
Added 300+ names. Finished the letter S. I should get it done before the deadline, and with enough time for me to construct and submit my own ballot. :D
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Because this poll takes much more effort to make a list, both for the participants as well as for Ferge and me to improve (is it ever really finished?) the IMDb/iCM list, I'm going to extend the deadline. With at least two weeks. NEW DEADLINE = 12 MARCH

My goal is to have this results thread done before the 1001 Favs Results thread does kick off. So possibly it will be extended even more, depending on when the deadline for that poll is.
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Ok, cool. Someone maybe update the header then :)
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Torgo wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 4:35 pm Ok, cool. Someone maybe update the header then :)
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Fergenaprido wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 4:13 am
Fergenaprido wrote: February 20th, 2021, 1:20 am Added a big batch of 250 names. Finished P,Q,R. :run:
Added 300+ names. Finished the letter S. I should get it done before the deadline, and with enough time for me to construct and submit my own ballot. :D
Thanks. Added them to the lists.

Also added a few from the RtD Challenge:
Rob Zombie: House of 1000 Corpses tt0251736
Pierre Chenal: Paris-Cinéma tt1757832
Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Yukihiro Sawada: Hangyaku no Melody tt0065813
Jerzy Skolimowski: Rysopis tt0059668
Mick Garris: Disneyland: Fuzzbucket tt02866
Justin Benson: Resolution tt1977895
Aaron Moorhead: A Glaring Emission tt1579303
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 4:13 am
Fergenaprido wrote: February 20th, 2021, 1:20 am Added a big batch of 250 names. Finished P,Q,R. :run:
Added 300+ names. Finished the letter S. I should get it done before the deadline, and with enough time for me to construct and submit my own ballot. :D
Thanks. Added them to the lists.

Also added a few from the RtD Challenge:
Rob Zombie: House of 1000 Corpses tt0251736
Pierre Chenal: Paris-Cinéma tt1757832
Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Yukihiro Sawada: Hangyaku no Melody tt0065813
Jerzy Skolimowski: Rysopis tt0059668
Mick Garris: Disneyland: Fuzzbucket tt02866
Justin Benson: Resolution tt1977895
Aaron Moorhead: A Glaring Emission tt1579303
I just finished letters T and U, but I missed this batch of directors. I'll add them in with the next one.

And I'm grateful for the extension. I could have had it all done by yesterday, but I appreciate being able to slow down at it.
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Fergenaprido wrote: February 28th, 2021, 1:44 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 4:13 am

Added 300+ names. Finished the letter S. I should get it done before the deadline, and with enough time for me to construct and submit my own ballot. :D
Thanks. Added them to the lists.

Also added a few from the RtD Challenge:
Rob Zombie: House of 1000 Corpses tt0251736
Pierre Chenal: Paris-Cinéma tt1757832
Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Yukihiro Sawada: Hangyaku no Melody tt0065813
Jerzy Skolimowski: Rysopis tt0059668
Mick Garris: Disneyland: Fuzzbucket tt02866
Justin Benson: Resolution tt1977895
Aaron Moorhead: A Glaring Emission tt1579303
I just finished letters T and U, but I missed this batch of directors. I'll add them in with the next one.

And I'm grateful for the extension. I could have had it all done by yesterday, but I appreciate being able to slow down at it.
Added them to the lists
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I updated the OP. Please check if your list is stated, ordered and linked correctly. And is set to public. Especially this time, cause it's easy for a list to get lost between all the other posts.

I count 23 list so far.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 28th, 2021, 3:34 pm I count 23 list so far.
Correct.

Now 24 with AssonFire.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm Also added a few from the RtD Challenge:
Pierre Chenal: Paris-Cinéma tt1757832
Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Jerzy Skolimowski: Rysopis tt0059668
Circling back to these, Paris-Cinéma is 39 minutes, and Koko dai panikku is 17 minutes, so I don't think they should count.
For Skolomowski, Rysopis came out in Semaine de la critique at Cannes, while Walkover came out in the main festival at Cannes. There are no dates on imdb (just month of release, May 1965 for both), but I thought the main festival came first, and then the semaine came after? Thus, I have Walkover as the debut. Walkover also had the earlier debut in Poland, by a few months.
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Fergenaprido wrote: March 1st, 2021, 8:21 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Koko dai panikku is 17 minutes
You're thinking of the original short film on which the feature film of the same name was based. The imdb id listed above is correct.
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Fergenaprido wrote: March 1st, 2021, 8:21 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm Also added a few from the RtD Challenge:
Pierre Chenal: Paris-Cinéma tt1757832
Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Jerzy Skolimowski: Rysopis tt0059668
Circling back to these, Paris-Cinéma is 39 minutes, and Koko dai panikku is 17 minutes, so I don't think they should count.
For Skolomowski, Rysopis came out in Semaine de la critique at Cannes, while Walkover came out in the main festival at Cannes. There are no dates on imdb (just month of release, May 1965 for both), but I thought the main festival came first, and then the semaine came after? Thus, I have Walkover as the debut. Walkover also had the earlier debut in Poland, by a few months.
According to morrison-dylan-fan who watched Paris-Cinéma for the RtD the run time on IMDb is incorrect and the movie is 50 min long.

As zomgmouse says I mean the feature not the short with the same name. There is a reason why I didn't go with Hachijyu-Hachi-Man Bun no Ichi no Kodoku instead, that came between the short and feature, but can't remember what it is. Probably something about it either not being widely released or questions about the runtime on IMDb being incorrect.

For Skolomowski it's indeed a hard call, but I went with Rysopis, cause wiki and some other sources I can't remember now called that his first feature.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: March 1st, 2021, 10:39 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: March 1st, 2021, 8:21 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:11 pm Also added a few from the RtD Challenge:
Pierre Chenal: Paris-Cinéma tt1757832
Gakuryû Ishii: Koko dai panikku tt0077816
Jerzy Skolimowski: Rysopis tt0059668
Circling back to these, Paris-Cinéma is 39 minutes, and Koko dai panikku is 17 minutes, so I don't think they should count.
For Skolomowski, Rysopis came out in Semaine de la critique at Cannes, while Walkover came out in the main festival at Cannes. There are no dates on imdb (just month of release, May 1965 for both), but I thought the main festival came first, and then the semaine came after? Thus, I have Walkover as the debut. Walkover also had the earlier debut in Poland, by a few months.
According to morrison-dylan-fan who watched Paris-Cinéma for the RtD the run time on IMDb is incorrect and the movie is 50 min long.

As zomgmouse says I mean the feature not the short with the same name. There is a reason why I didn't go with Hachijyu-Hachi-Man Bun no Ichi no Kodoku instead, that came between the short and feature, but can't remember what it is. Probably something about it either not being widely released or questions about the runtime on IMDb being incorrect.

For Skolomowski it's indeed a hard call, but I went with Rysopis, cause wiki and some other sources I can't remember now called that his first feature.
Okay. Found a confirmation of the 50-minute runtime for Chenal, so I've changed that.

For Skolimowski, I've added Rysopis with a note (and kept Walkover in for now).

For Ishii, that's odd. KG has it and calls it his second film (and lists it as 1978 instead of 1977), but Berlinale calls it a 1977 film, and all sources consider the runtime to be 43 minutes.
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I finished the rest of the alphabet.

Spreadsheet is updated - Lonewolf will update the icm & imdb lists soon.

Please let me know of any errors or glaring omissions. I will likely update the spreadsheet one more time before the deadline, primarily as I create my own list. I'll post here and in the other thread when I do so. 4100 or so directors are listed.
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Fergenaprido wrote: March 2nd, 2021, 1:16 am I finished the rest of the alphabet.

Spreadsheet is updated - Lonewolf will update the icm & imdb lists soon.

Please let me know of any errors or glaring omissions. I will likely update the spreadsheet one more time before the deadline, primarily as I create my own list. I'll post here and in the other thread when I do so. 4100 or so directors are listed.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: March 3rd, 2021, 5:04 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: March 2nd, 2021, 1:16 am I finished the rest of the alphabet.

Spreadsheet is updated - Lonewolf will update the icm & imdb lists soon.

Please let me know of any errors or glaring omissions. I will likely update the spreadsheet one more time before the deadline, primarily as I create my own list. I'll post here and in the other thread when I do so. 4100 or so directors are listed.
Updated the lists. Thanks again for all your work, Ferge
My pleasure. Thank you for taking on the huge task of controlling everything :)

I found an error in my spreadsheet:
The Vanderhoff Affair (1915) was wrongly included as a debut feature, (icm) for Robert G. Vignola, but I already had him debuting with The Hazards of Helen (1914).
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Obgeoff wrote: February 5th, 2021, 2:42 pm https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/dire ... s/obgeoff/ - ranked using the imdb list in the OP.
Thanks for posting your list.

I found the following differences between your list and the OP-list. Cause the OP list have been updated and adjusted because of new insights since your post. I will consider this one ineligible, unless you have a good argument why they should be considered a debut feature. You can of course change or delete these titles from your list if you want.
Samuel Maoz > Your title: Lebanon. Debut according the OP list: Total Eclipse

Fantasia I will allow, although we do list others movies for those directors since it's an anthology and not the work of a single (or a duo/trio) directors overseeing everything. These are the films listed for those directors:
James Algar > The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
Ford Beebe Jr. > Joniko and the Kush Ta Ka 
Norman Ferguson > Pinocchio
David Hand > Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
T. Hee > Pinocchio
Wilfred Jackson > Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Hamilton Luske > Pinocchio
Bill Roberts > Pinocchio


@FERGE I added b]Joniko and the Kush Ta Ka [/b] to the list
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Smoover wrote: February 7th, 2021, 2:42 pm https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089044479/
Thanks for posting your list.

I found the following differences between your list and the OP-list. I will consider these ineligible, unless you have a good argument why they should be considered a debut feature. You can of course change or delete these titles from your list if you want.
Joshua Oppenheimer > Your title: The Act of Killing. Debut according the OP list: The Entire History of the Louisiana Purchase
Andrei Tarkovsky > Your title: Ivanovo detstvo. Debut according the OP list: Katok i skripka

For Fantasia see my post above to Obgeoff.

I added these titles from your list to the master list to the OP:
Michael Arias - Tekkon kinkurîto - tt0831888
George Hickenlooper, Fax Bahr, Eleanor Coppola - Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse - tt0102015
Bob Gale - Interstate 60: Episodes of the Road - tt0165832
Preston Sturges - The Great McGinty - tt0032554
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joachimt wrote: February 7th, 2021, 6:41 pm My list:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089099860/
1-46 ranked
rest unranked

Let me know when the IMDb-list is updated, Lonewolf. Then I might do some more crossreferencing.
The only difference I found is:
Andrei Tarkovsky > Your title: Ivanovo detstvo. Debut according the OP list: Katok i skripka
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frbrown wrote: February 12th, 2021, 1:08 am My list

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089587405/


Currently unranked. The first 39 are taken from the iCM list in OP, so I assume they're OK. After 39 are my own additions, so those need to be verified.
Thanks for posting your list.

I found the following differences between your list and the OP-list. I will consider these ineligible, unless you have a good argument why they should be considered a debut feature. You can of course change or delete these titles from your list if you want.
Garth Davis > Your title: Lion. Debut according the OP list: P.I.N.S.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: March 3rd, 2021, 7:03 pm
joachimt wrote: February 7th, 2021, 6:41 pm My list:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089099860/
1-46 ranked
rest unranked

Let me know when the IMDb-list is updated, Lonewolf. Then I might do some more crossreferencing.
The only difference I found is:
Andrei Tarkovsky > Your title: Ivanovo detstvo. Debut according the OP list: Katok i skripka
I thought the consensus was Ivan. Ah well, I'll remove it.
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