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Should mini-series be eliglble for this poll? (See OP for definition)

Poll ended at December 14th, 2020, 3:23 pm

Yes, all mini-series should be allowed.
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No, mini-series according to the definition in the OP with maximum 16 episode shouldn't be allowed
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No, mini-series according to the definition in the OP but with a shorter maximum amount episodes shouldn't be allowed (max. episodes TBD (4,6,8?))
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https://www.imdb.com/list/ls058122788/
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Cause I don’t have much time today, I will extend the deadline for at least a day.
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I'm updating my own list from last time now, so there is still time to update or submit your list if you want.
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https://www.imdb.com/list/ls076832386/ first 47 ranked.
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Updated the OP. Please check if your list is stated, ordered and linked correctly.
I count 44 participants. Can someone verify that please?

Going to investigate now for ineligible and questionable titles. There is still time to submit or adjust your list.
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Duplicate in file Smoover.csv at #22 and #26: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1796960/

It wil be autocorrected. But since there is time, you can also do so manually still.
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My ranked list: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084037122/

I agree with OldAle1 about the Granada Sherlock Holmes being a single series.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 2nd, 2021, 4:02 pm Duplicate in file Smoover.csv at #22 and #26: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1796960/

It wil be autocorrected. But since there is time, you can also do so manually still.
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I downloaded all lists and checked all entries for eligibility by checking the amount of episodes and seasons on iMDB and if necessary also checking more info about in on wiki. But of course those are also not infallible sources, so if you have a good argument why a series should or shouldn't be included in the results please speak up. I will leave the nominations open until the end of Jan 5 (I will start downloading list probably Wednesday afternoon Dutch time), until than everyone can give feedback on these entries.(Until than it's also still allowed to submit or edit your list).

These entries to me seem to ineligible, cause they are 16 episodes or less, not multiple seasons, and not planned to be longer but canceled, and are intended as a single unified work and not episodic. Mostly these are stated as mini-series on IMDb. If there is no feedback that an entry should be admissible, these will be added as ineligible when calculating the end results:
(In green: series that after discussion below are deemed admissable)
Under the spoilertag below are titles, which I think should be eligible but have less than 16 episodes or listed as mini-series but with more than 16 episodes I stated with each one why after reading some background information I think it should be admissible. But if anyone knows why they shouldn't be counted, I will add them to the ineligible file. If there is no feedback on these titles, they will be counted for the end results.
eligible but with <16 episodes or listed as mini-series
Here is the complete list of all movies voted for (ordered alphabetically), so you can check eligibility for all other titles as well if you want or for some late minute inspiration:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/all+ ... ewolf2003/
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084028077/
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I did not vote for Riget, but I think it’s two seasons long and should count. Interesting to hear what others think. I might got myself a new #1. :whistling:
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72aicm wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:19 pm I did not vote for Riget, but I think it’s two seasons long and should count. Interesting to hear what others think. I might got myself a new #1. :whistling:
You seem to be correct. IMDb says it has 2 seasons and wiki also say it consist of two part (which can be interpreted as two seasons).
Unless someone else say otherwise Riget is eligible.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084028077/
"This list is not public"

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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:32 pm
72aicm wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:19 pm I did not vote for Riget, but I think it’s two seasons long and should count. Interesting to hear what others think. I might got myself a new #1. :whistling:
You seem to be correct. IMDb says it has 2 seasons and wiki also say it consist of two part (which can be interpreted as two seasons).
Unless someone else say otherwise Riget is eligible.
There was just some news that Lars Von Trier is bringing back Riget for a third season, if that helps sway things: https://www.deadline.com/2020/12/lars- ... 234658191/
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm The Young Pope (2016), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3655448/ -
My argument for including this in my list is because a second mini-series titled "The New Pope" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7157248/) premiered in 2020 and was written and directed by the creator of both series, Paolo Sorrentino. It continues the narrative of this first series and all of the principal cast of characters returns. So it functions much like a second season, even though they are marketed as mini-series. I suppose I was trying to have my cake and eat it too, however, because I included TYP but not TNP, since I much preferred the first entry to the second. It's like a sequel to a standalone book. Do we now think of the first book as part of a series and rank the series as a whole? Or do we rank individual parts?

Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Firefly (2002), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/ - Meant to be longer but canceled.
How to with John Wilson (2020), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10801534/ - Second season is ordered.
I believe both these entries should be included. If a series was conceived of and ordered with the understanding that future seasons could be produced, the fact that it was cancelled shouldn't retroactively change the definition of the show to a mini-series. Firefly could have run for 10 seasons if the producers wanted to keep making it. It was only the premature stoppage of production due to low viewership that limited the episode count.

Also, any shows that are currently in production or not officially cancelled, such as How to with John Wilson, I believe should be eligible even if they haven't met the episode count qualification yet. To the best of our knowledge, this show will run for longer than 16 episodes since it is still being made, and so should be eligible.
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Blackadder Goes Forth (1989), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096548/ -
Blackadder II (1986), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088484/ -
Blackadder the Third (1987), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092324/ -
The Black Adder (1982), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084988/ -

These are clearly episodic to me, at least certainly part 2, 3 and 4. There's no ongoing story in any of those three.
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The only one I voted for in the list that you are looking at excluding is Tomorrow, When the War Began. While only a short series it was designed as multiple series just season 2 never happened (the same issue happened with the movie to unfortunately) so should be counted as a TV show.

Also didn't we already have a conversation that all the Blackadder's were to be counted seperate and that's why they are all voted for seperate? I feel they should still be.included in the final results.
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Episodic
Broertjes (1988), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426656/ -
Believe Nothing (2002), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327269/ -

How could this even be debatable?
Mr. Bean (1990), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096657/ -
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beasterne wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 7:55 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm The Young Pope (2016), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3655448/ -
My argument for including this in my list is because a second mini-series titled "The New Pope" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7157248/) premiered in 2020 and was written and directed by the creator of both series, Paolo Sorrentino. It continues the narrative of this first series and all of the principal cast of characters returns. So it functions much like a second season, even though they are marketed as mini-series. I suppose I was trying to have my cake and eat it too, however, because I included TYP but not TNP, since I much preferred the first entry to the second. It's like a sequel to a standalone book. Do we now think of the first book as part of a series and rank the series as a whole? Or do we rank individual parts?
Since the two series are even released as under different names to me they count as two different mini-series, even if TNP is a follow-up to TYP. Plus the TYP was original meant to be a stand alone mini-series. Unless others agree with you TYP should be counted I will consider it ineligible.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Firefly (2002), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/ - Meant to be longer but canceled.
How to with John Wilson (2020), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10801534/ - Second season is ordered.
I believe both these entries should be included. If a series was conceived of and ordered with the understanding that future seasons could be produced, the fact that it was cancelled shouldn't retroactively change the definition of the show to a mini-series. Firefly could have run for 10 seasons if the producers wanted to keep making it. It was only the premature stoppage of production due to low viewership that limited the episode count.

Also, any shows that are currently in production or not officially cancelled, such as How to with John Wilson, I believe should be eligible even if they haven't met the episode count qualification yet. To the best of our knowledge, this show will run for longer than 16 episodes since it is still being made, and so should be eligible.
I said they will be included, exactly for that reason. The second list are series with less than 16 episodes, but that will be eligible (unless people have reasons for them not to be)
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Rufus-T wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 7:02 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084028077/
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joachimt wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 8:11 pm Blackadder Goes Forth (1989), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096548/ -
Blackadder II (1986), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088484/ -
Blackadder the Third (1987), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092324/ -
The Black Adder (1982), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084988/ -

These are clearly episodic to me, at least certainly part 2, 3 and 4. There's no ongoing story in any of those three.
You're right, they are episodic. But I thought they were intended as single unified work and therefor already in our mini-series list. But I'm wrong and stand corrected. All Blackadder series are eligible. Like discussed they are to be counted separately.
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zzzorf wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 8:14 pm The only one I voted for in the list that you are looking at excluding is Tomorrow, When the War Began. While only a short series it was designed as multiple series just season 2 never happened (the same issue happened with the movie to unfortunately) so should be counted as a TV show.
Thanks for the information. Wiki didn't say anything about a second series, so didn't know that. So seems eligible to me indeed.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 9:21 pm
Rufus-T wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 7:02 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm https://www.imdb.com/list/ls084028077/
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Public viewing is not enabled for the IMDb list.
Fixed it
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joachimt wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 8:16 pm Episodic
Broertjes (1988), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426656/ -
Believe Nothing (2002), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327269/ -

How could this even be debatable?
Mr. Bean (1990), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096657/ -
Broertjes: Cause it's based on a theatershow I thought it was an single unified work. Unless people disagree with you, I will count it.
Believe Nothing (2002); eligible indeed. Cause it also seems to be meant to be longer but dropped after one series/season.

Mr. Bean should indeed not be debatable, don't know how that one slipped by. Is def eligible.
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That's My Bush! (2001), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268077/ - It's a regular, episodic sitcom, just that it was a short-running one.

On the Air (1992), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103505/ - Regular, episodic sitcom with different episode writers and directors. It's even more of a TV series than 'Twin Peaks', just that it was unsuccessful and wasn't picked up for another season.

What Is David Working on Today? (2020), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12409496/ - It's an ongoing webseries with episodes released in irregular intervals. The episode listing on IMDb is incomplete, to say the least, the current count is 17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCHet0S ... r6aguJ-WoU).

Llamas with Hats (2009), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5256378/ - Webseries with episodes made and released over a span of years.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey (2014), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/ - Listed as Mini-series but has 26 episodes.
Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey (2014) has 13 episodes. Episodes 14-26 are the episodes of Cosmos: Possible Worlds (2020), but that has its own IMDb entry, so I think both of them should count as mini-series.

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Perception de Ambiguity wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 9:50 pm That's My Bush! (2001), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268077/ - It's a regular, episodic sitcom, just that it was a short-running one.

On the Air (1992), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103505/ - Regular, episodic sitcom with different episode writers and directors. It's even more of a TV series than 'Twin Peaks', just that it was unsuccessful and wasn't picked up for another season.

What Is David Working on Today? (2020), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12409496/ - It's an ongoing webseries with episodes released in irregular intervals. The episode listing on IMDb is incomplete, to say the least, the current count is 17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCHet0S ... r6aguJ-WoU).

Llamas with Hats (2009), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5256378/ - Webseries with episodes made and released over a span of years.
Thanks for the explanations. All 4 are considered eligible now.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Made in Abyss (2017), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7222086/ -
Season 2 has been announced. Here's the trailer for season 2:
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mjf314 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 10:05 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey (2014), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/ - Listed as Mini-series but has 26 episodes.
Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey (2014) has 13 episodes. Episodes 14-26 are the episodes of Cosmos: Possible Worlds (2020), but that has its own IMDb entry, so I think both of them should count as mini-series.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11170862/
The IMDb entries state that A Spacetime Odyssey has 26 and Possible Worlds 0 episodes, so seems like first there was a separate entry made for Possible Worlds, but later they changed it to it being a second season of ASO. But wiki does see it as different series. Also Cosmos: ASO itself is also a follow-up to Sagan's Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, which are considered separate series.

So I think this the same kind of situation as The Young/New Pope with mini-series that will very closely related to each other with one being a follow-up to the other they should be counted as separate entries. What do other people think?
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mjf314 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 10:18 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Made in Abyss (2017), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7222086/ -
Season 2 has been announced. Here's the trailer for season 2:
Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't sure cause wiki says: "Following the release of Dawn of the Deep Soul, a new sequel has been announced. The initial announcement did not reveal whether the sequel will be a TV anime series or a new film". I will consider it eligible, unless someone comes forth with opposing information.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 10:38 pm Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't sure cause wiki says: "Following the release of Dawn of the Deep Soul, a new sequel has been announced. The initial announcement did not reveal whether the sequel will be a TV anime series or a new film". I will consider it eligible, unless someone comes forth with opposing information.
The official announcement isn't very clear, but judging by articles that I read, it seems like most people think it'll be a series.
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I know that Tuca & Bertie (2019) is already listed in the eligible category (which I agree with), but I just want to add and mention that there is a second season that is supposed to air in 2021. It was cancelled by Netflix after its first season but was later picked up by another network (Adult Swim/Cartoon Network) for the second season.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Aaagh! It's the Mr. Hell Show! (2000), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0262147/ - Seems episodic and not a single unified work.
Unified work (episodes are related to each other); would have been longer but cancelled. Not a miniseries.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Believe Nothing (2002), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327269/ - Meant to be longer but canceled.
Unified work (episodes are related to each other); would have been longer but cancelled. Not a miniseries.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm The Lone Gunmen (2001), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243069/ - Meant to be longer but canceled.
Unified work (episodes are related to each other); would have been longer but cancelled. Not a miniseries.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 9:47 pm Broertjes: Cause it's based on a theatershow I thought it was an single unified work. Unless people disagree with you, I will count it.
Doesn't really matter anyway, because nobody else will vote for it.
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Cocoa wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 12:25 am I know that Tuca & Bertie (2019) is already listed in the eligible category (which I agree with), but I just want to add and mention that there is a second season that is supposed to air in 2021. It was cancelled by Netflix after its first season but was later picked up by another network (Adult Swim/Cartoon Network) for the second season.
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sol wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 12:36 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Aaagh! It's the Mr. Hell Show! (2000), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0262147/ - Seems episodic and not a single unified work.
Unified work (episodes are related to each other); would have been longer but cancelled. Not a miniseries.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Believe Nothing (2002), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327269/ - Meant to be longer but canceled.
Unified work (episodes are related to each other); would have been longer but cancelled. Not a miniseries.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm The Lone Gunmen (2001), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243069/ - Meant to be longer but canceled.
Unified work (episodes are related to each other); would have been longer but cancelled. Not a miniseries.
Thanks for the feedback. All three are indeed not miniseries.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Brendon Chase (1980), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166035/ -
I know we had a vote but somehow I figured that was just for stuff tagged Mini-series on imdb, and that anything listed as a TV-series would qualify regardless. I highly doubt most voters even considered things listed as a TV-series when the Mini-series poll was done, so I think quite a few titles, like this one, will fall in between, and that it should be allowed for that reason.

Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Vi på Saltkråkan (1964), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057796/ -
This is episodic.
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insomnius wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 12:50 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Brendon Chase (1980), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166035/ -
I know we had a vote but somehow I figured that was just for stuff tagged Mini-series on imdb, and that anything listed as a TV-series would qualify regardless. I highly doubt most voters even considered things listed as a TV-series when the Mini-series poll was done, so I think quite a few titles, like this one, will fall in between, and that it should be allowed for that reason.
If that had been the case I wouldn't have given a definition of mini-series and just simply stated that series tagged on IMDb as mini-series are ineligible. Our definition of mini-series isn't 100% matching with IMDb's definition. And even if it was IMDb isn't infallible, many tags on IMDb change at times. Even Band of Brothers was tagged as a tv-series for awhile on IMDb. For the mini-series poll series tagged as tv-series but fitting our definition were eligible. That's why for every poll it's advised that you don't blindly trust on IMDb when making your list. That some people still do so, is no reason to me to bend the rules.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Vi på Saltkråkan (1964), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057796/ -
This is episodic.
Ok. Marked as eligible.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 1:10 pm
insomnius wrote: ↑January 4th, 2021, 12:50 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2021, 6:15 pm Brendon Chase (1980), https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166035/ -
I know we had a vote but somehow I figured that was just for stuff tagged Mini-series on imdb, and that anything listed as a TV-series would qualify regardless. I highly doubt most voters even considered things listed as a TV-series when the Mini-series poll was done, so I think quite a few titles, like this one, will fall in between, and that it should be allowed for that reason.
If that had been the case I wouldn't have given a definition of mini-series and just simply stated that series tagged on IMDb as mini-series are ineligible. Our definition of mini-series isn't 100% matching with IMDb's definition. And even if it was IMDb isn't infallible, many tags on IMDb change at times. Even Band of Brothers was tagged as a tv-series for awhile on IMDb. For the mini-series poll series tagged as tv-series but fitting our definition were eligible. That's why for every poll it's advised that you don't blindly trust on IMDb when making your list. That some people still do so, is no reason to me to bend the rules.
Well, fair enough, I didn't expect you to bend the rules anyway. I just think the rules are overly complicated and begging for confusion. Make it easy on the voters. ;)
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