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Setting up the 2021 Poll Schedule - Final poll

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Which Polls would you like to see held in 2021?

Poll ended at November 20th, 2020, 11:04 pm

21st Century
25
6%
African American Cinema
20
5%
Central Asia & Caucasus (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia)
18
5%
Comedies (previous edition held in 2016)
25
6%
Coming of Age
25
6%
Contemporary Black & White Films (b/w movies made after +/-1968 (exact date tbd))
22
6%
Directorial feature debuts
29
7%
Experimental/Avant-Garde (previous edition held in 2016)
24
6%
Japan (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013)
26
7%
Music videos
15
4%
Noirs (previous edition held in 2015)
22
6%
pre-1920s
16
4%
Pre-Code
16
4%
Sci-fi (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013)
22
6%
Sports
30
8%
Under 50 checks
31
8%
Western (previous edition held in 2016)
26
7%
 
Total votes: 392

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Setting up the 2021 Poll Schedule - Final poll

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Through this poll we will finally chose which options will fill the remaining 8 free spots in the 2021 poll schedule. Four are taken up already by annual (<400, 1001 Favs) and decade polls (70s and 80s). So please vote on which one you would to see held next year.

This poll will be open for 10 days.

To lessen the field a preliminary poll was held after which these 17 advanced to this final poll.

To make a (more) informed decision here is an overview with our previous Polls:

For those who want an overlap with the challenges:
2021 Challenge Schedule
2021 Challenge Schedule
MonthCountry ChallengeTheme ChallengeTheme Challenge
January Latin America - excl. Ar, Br, Uy & Mx Sci-Fi/Fantasy 1000<400
February Benelux Experimental/Avant-Garde Run the Director
March UK/Ireland Directed by Women Waves from Around World
April Middle East - excl. Iran Doubling the Canon Nominees Animation
May Japan Western Mystery & Thriller
June Italy One Film From Each Year LGBTIQ+
July Iran & Central Asia Travel the World Run the Actor
August Korean Peninsula <400 Checks Action & Adventure
September Eastern Europe - excl. Russia & Balkans Silent Era Low IMDb Rating
October France Horror One Film From Each iCM List
November Argentina/Brazil/Uruguay Film Noir War movies
December Oceania Documentary Unofficial
If you're unsure what an option ectly means, feel free to ask here.


After the results are in and the final 8 know in this thread we will discuss how to schedule them in. Potential ties in the results will also be discussed here to decide a winner.
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People voting for the 21st Century option: why?

This is a serious question. What would the point be of such a poll given that the two decades are already covered? One of them we even update every year.
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Teproc wrote: November 11th, 2020, 5:53 pm People voting for the 21st Century option: why?

This is a serious question. What would the point be of such a poll given that the two decades are already covered? One of them we even update every year.
My understanding is we're not doing a 2010s poll next year so I see it as a cap off to that
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Didn't realize we weren't, I guess that makes sense... but still, it's just basically going to be a mix of the 2000s and 2010s poll, doesn't seem like that'd be interesting.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: November 11th, 2020, 7:04 pm
Teproc wrote: November 11th, 2020, 5:53 pm People voting for the 21st Century option: why?

This is a serious question. What would the point be of such a poll given that the two decades are already covered? One of them we even update every year.
My understanding is we're not doing a 2010s poll next year so I see it as a cap off to that
We aren't indeed.
I still do feel like its a redundant idea. Cause I don't think the result will differ much from a combination of the 2010 and 2000 poll.
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314 votes so far. Minimum of 40 voters so far and will definitely be more as some people won't have used their eight choices (I only used four).
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Can I change one of my votes? I'd like to swap western for contemporary B&W cinema.
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Eve-Lang-El-Coup wrote: November 16th, 2020, 8:33 am Can I change one of my votes? I'd like to swap western for contemporary B&W cinema.
Don’t know if that’s possible, a mod might be able to . But I will correct it when the results are revealed. Help remember me.
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We can neither edit nor even see who voted. The only way to do it is for me to manually dig into the database and see the votes and then cross reference to who voted. So yeah, adjust manually if you need to. If there's any controversy I can verify that Eve voted for Western in the db.
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FINAL DAY! Less than 10h to go only.
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Damn, looks like 'Contemporary b&w films' will not make it . Imo one of the most interesting pools to choose. :folded:
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Gordon_Gekko wrote: November 20th, 2020, 5:36 pm Damn, looks like 'Contemporary b&w films' will not make it . Imo one of the most interesting pools to choose. :folded:
Well, we can try again next year.
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Gordon_Gekko wrote: November 20th, 2020, 5:36 pm Damn, looks like 'Contemporary b&w films' will not make it . Imo one of the most interesting pools to choose. :folded:
I only voted for four but that would probably have been my fifth vote.
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Poll results:
Under 50 checks 31
Sports 30
Directorial feature debuts 29
Japan (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013) 26
21st Century 25
Comedies (previous edition held in 2016) 25
Coming of Age 25
Western (previous edition held in 2016) 25

Experimental/Avant-Garde (previous edition held in 2016) 24
Contemporary Black & White Films (b/w movies made after +/-1968 (exact date tbd)) 23
Noirs (previous edition held in 2015) 22
Sci-fi (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013) 22
African American Cinema 20
Central Asia & Caucasus (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia) 18
pre-1920s 16
Pre-Code 16
Music videos 15

We have 8 winners. So at least we don't have to break a tie. Now we can think about filling in next year schedule.

I made this first draft based on last years schedules and the challenge schedule (see OP):

2021 Concept Poll schedule
JanuaryUnder 50 checks
FebruaryDirectorial feature debuts
March1001 Favourite Films (annual)
April
May1970s (recurring)
JuneJapan or Western
July21st Century
August
September500<400 (annual)
October1980s (recurring)
November
December
Directors (annual)


Under 50 checks in Jan because of the 1000<400 challenge the same month
Directorial feature debuts in Feb because of the Run the Director challenge that month.
Japan or Western in June because of their challenges in May
21st Century in July cause the 2010s was in June last couple of years, but Japan or Western is there now. So one month later.

Would love to hear suggestions and feedback on this.
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I'm guessing Citizen Kane will win in February, but the places after seems very open.
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Push 21st century back another month and put Japan or Western in July.
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I don't see the connection between directorial debuts and run the director - they seem polar opposites to me where the first is one film per director by definition, and the second is as many films per director as you can (minimum 3).

As long as Japan and Western are both after the May challenges, I don't think it matters when they are. Putting one in June makes sense, though, to capitalize on the momentum.

Coming of Age feels like an August poll to me for some reason. Or maybe April, with it's springtime blossoming parallels.

The other polls don't matter when they are, I think, and would be fine anywhere (comedy, sports).
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I like coming-of-age being in April for the reason Fergenaprido suggested. Sports films would be a good fit for August, with the beginning of fall sports. That leaves November for comedies -- a fun, light-hearted poll around the holidays. I plan to participate in all of these as best I can.
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albajos wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:31 pm I'm guessing Citizen Kane will win in February, but the places after seems very open.
I would guess that Too Much Johnson would be the one you could vote for?
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spinal tapper wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 6:50 am
albajos wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:31 pm I'm guessing Citizen Kane will win in February, but the places after seems very open.
I would guess that Too Much Johnson would be the one you could vote for?
I don't think Too Much Johnson should count, since it was never finished or screened, and was intended to be part of a stage play, not a stand-alone feature film.

But it brings up a good point that we'll probably have to define what counts as a "debut feature" for a number of directors. I stumbled upon this list a few days ago that, while not complete, is a good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... ial_debuts
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Would be nice if someone (not me) made a list of directorial debuts, at least for:
a) our top 250 directors
and b) any films on our top 1001 or 500<400 that count as directorial debuts.
With a list to work/filter from I'd probably submit a list, otherwise it seems like quite a task.

Satyajit Ray seems like he could give Welles a run for his money.
Edit: 12 Angry Men is also a debut feature so it has to be the top contender.
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Few others I could imagine doing well: Night of the Hunter, Reservoir Dogs, Breathless, 400 Blows, Ivan's Childhood, L'Atalante, Badlands, Pi, Night of the Living Dead, Easy Rider, The Return, Monty Python + the Holy Grail
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 7:36 am Would be nice if someone (not me) made a list of directorial debuts, at least for:
a) our top 250 directors
and b) any films on our top 1001 or 500<400 that count as directorial debuts.
With a list to work/filter from I'd probably submit a list, otherwise it seems like quite a task.

Satyajit Ray seems like he could give Welles a run for his money.
Edit: 12 Angry Men is also a debut feature so it has to be the top contender.
I don't mind putting one together. I can have it ready before the holidays, and then update it after the next directors poll.
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Isn't it easier to simply trim your overall list of favorites for the debut poll?
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Onderhond wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 9:47 am Isn't it easier to simply trim your overall list of favorites for the debut poll?
Without a filtering master list I'd have to check a bunch of films individually to know if they're debut features. Admittedly a master list is bound to miss things, but a place to start helps.
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Fergenaprido wrote: November 21st, 2020, 7:31 pm I don't see the connection between directorial debuts and run the director - they seem polar opposites to me where the first is one film per director by definition, and the second is as many films per director as you can (minimum 3).
The connection is directors. :lol: Well it’s a very loose, my thinking was the change people focusing on directors and watching their debuts is higher with that challenge than any else. Since the polls have to be scheduled in somewhere that loose connection was enough to me.

As long as Japan and Western are both after the May challenges, I don't think it matters when they are. Putting one in June makes sense, though, to capitalize on the momentum.

Coming of Age feels like an August poll to me for some reason. Or maybe April, with it's springtime blossoming parallels.

The other polls don't matter when they are, I think, and would be fine anywhere (comedy, sports).
Yes polls after or during challenges is to capitalize on momentum.
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I was planning to start a discussion before the directors debut poll about what’s eligible and indeed make and update a list of eligible titles. If someone else already makes a list based on various poll that would be a great help. I can do it too.
Since it was my own idea I would love to organize that poll
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Based on the feedback I made this new concept schedule.
Recurring means the poll was held at least once before, annual are polls that are held every year.
21st century is in itself a new poll, but it’s kind of recurring cause there were 2000s and 2010s poll before.

2021 Concept Poll schedule
JanuaryUnder 50 checks
FebruaryDirectorial feature debuts
March1001 Favourite Films (annual)
AprilComing of Age
May1970s (recurring)
JuneJapan (recurring)
JulyWestern (recurring)
August21st Century
September500<400 (annual)
October1980s (recurring)
NovemberSports
December Comedies (recurring)
Directors (annual)
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albajos wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:31 pm I'm guessing Citizen Kane will win in February, but the places after seems very open.
As far as I can see this was not Orson Welles first film so it depends on how strict we will be with defining « debut ». If it is including the first few films, there will be competition.
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Didn’t Sidney Lumet do some tv films before 12 Angry Men?
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 12:56 pm Based on the feedback I made this new concept schedule.
Recurring means the poll was held at least once before, annual are polls that are held every year.
21st century is in itself a new poll, but it’s kind of recurring cause there were 2000s and 2010s poll before.

2021 Concept Poll schedule
JanuaryUnder 50 checks
FebruaryDirectorial feature debuts
March1001 Favourite Films (annual)
AprilComing of Age
May1970s (recurring)
JuneJapan (recurring)
JulyWestern (recurring)
August21st Century
September500<400 (annual)
October1980s (recurring)
NovemberSports
December Comedies (recurring)
Directors (annual)
That looks good!
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Tarkovsky also did a couple of films before Ivan
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And Tarantino has the Birthday film before Reservoir Dogs, list goes on
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It's debut features to avoid debates about shorts and grad school projects and TV episodes because hardly any director's generally considered debut is actually the first thing they directed. Debut is usually taken to mean "feature film released commercially." This still brings up debates for experimental directors and what exactly counts as a commercial release, but restricts that debate to a handful of edge cases instead of 95%+ of directors.
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kongs_speech wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 2:16 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 12:56 pm Based on the feedback I made this new concept schedule.
Recurring means the poll was held at least once before, annual are polls that are held every year.
21st century is in itself a new poll, but it’s kind of recurring cause there were 2000s and 2010s poll before.

2021 Concept Poll schedule
JanuaryUnder 50 checks
FebruaryDirectorial feature debuts
March1001 Favourite Films (annual)
AprilComing of Age
May1970s (recurring)
JuneJapan (recurring)
JulyWestern (recurring)
August21st Century
September500<400 (annual)
October1980s (recurring)
NovemberSports
December Comedies (recurring)
Directors (annual)
That looks good!
Thanks for the feedback, kong!
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 4:06 pm It's debut features to avoid debates about shorts and grad school projects and TV episodes because hardly any director's generally considered debut is actually the first thing they directed. Debut is usually taken to mean "feature film released commercially." This still brings up debates for experimental directors and what exactly counts as a commercial release, but restricts that debate to a handful of edge cases instead of 95%+ of directors.
Indeed. This still leaves some question like what to do with Tv-movies, do those count as a commercial release? What to do about duo directors going solo after or vice versa? What to do with directors with lost debut features?
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 12:29 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: November 21st, 2020, 7:31 pm I don't see the connection between directorial debuts and run the director - they seem polar opposites to me where the first is one film per director by definition, and the second is as many films per director as you can (minimum 3).
The connection is directors. :lol: Well it’s a very loose, my thinking was the chance people focusing on directors and watching their debuts is higher with that challenge than any else. Since the polls have to be scheduled in somewhere that loose connection was enough to me.
Ah. Yeah that does make some sense then. :thumbsup:

And yes, I agree that the proposed schedule looks just fine.
Lonewolf2003 wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 6:10 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 4:06 pm It's debut features to avoid debates about shorts and grad school projects and TV episodes because hardly any director's generally considered debut is actually the first thing they directed. Debut is usually taken to mean "feature film released commercially." This still brings up debates for experimental directors and what exactly counts as a commercial release, but restricts that debate to a handful of edge cases instead of 95%+ of directors.
Indeed. This still leaves some question like what to do with Tv-movies, do those count as a commercial release? What to do about duo directors going solo after or vice versa? What to do with directors with lost debut features?
I propose we have a separate thread about debut features ahead of time, that way it won't clutter up the nominations thread, and people can know in advance what does and doesn't count as a "debut feature". I'm with PA on this: no shorts, no TV episodes, no music videos, and no film school projects (which is what Tarkovsky's films before Ivan were). I don't have an opinion yet on made-for-tv movies.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: November 21st, 2020, 4:09 pm Poll results:
Under 50 checks 31
Sports 30
Directorial feature debuts 29
Japan (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013) 26
21st Century 25
Comedies (previous edition held in 2016) 25
Coming of Age 25
Western (previous edition held in 2016) 25

Experimental/Avant-Garde (previous edition held in 2016) 24
Contemporary Black & White Films (b/w movies made after +/-1968 (exact date tbd)) 23
Noirs (previous edition held in 2015) 22
Sci-fi (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013) 22
Noo! So close. If I just hadn't voted for Coming of Age. (What would you have done about the tie with E/A-G? (That could work as an ominous acronym.))
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