I have a hot take for you all: The Graduate is an average movie.
OK ... OK ... not trying to start any fights here. How about a question instead so that I can gain understanding from others: Why do you love The Graduate?
I should have placed just one vote for this as a single film instead of the four individual ones which i ranked #1-4 on my list. A low finish for this epic of epics but at least it is here.
It really is an epic film. I caught it in a screening last year with all four parts shown, and I had to give it up for the sheer scope of the project. Glad to put it on my list
This was easily one of the best things I've watched during COVID (and I've watched a lot of stuff over the last 7-8 months). Afterwards, I picked it up in a recent Criterion Collection sale. Great to see it make the list despite under 1K checks.
Torgo wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2020, 3:05 pm
(I'm surprised myself that I have seen 5 Wakamatsu films to quite mixed viewing experiences; I'll just say that they're not usual #1 material for me )
Hot take: Wakamatsu's best work is better than Kurosawa's best work.
blocho wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2020, 12:33 am
I have a hot take for you all: The Graduate is an average movie.
OK ... OK ... not trying to start any fights here. How about a question instead so that I can gain understanding from others: Why do you love The Graduate?
It wasn't actually supposed to still be in my list, woops. I LOVED it the first time I saw it, but the last time I rewatched it I thought it was just ok. I used to find it funny and dynamic, enjoyed Hoffman's character/acting and the soundtrack. Last time I didn't laugh once and actually cringed a few times.
"I do not always know what I want, but I do know what I don't want." - Stanley Kubrick
Let's say I'm a bit despaired by the results
I mean everybody agrees the 60's in the strongest decade for films but when I watch the results I only can see a very average list
My ratings for the top 10 : 6, 6+, 6, 8, 7, not seen, 4, 8, 5, 5
@blocho: I dislike The Graduate from the bottom of my heart
And what about all these Polanski's ? I like Rosemary's Baby but so high? And do the others from the 60's really deserve to be in this ranking?
"Art is like a fire, it is born from the very thing it burns" - Jean-Luc Godard
pitchorneirda wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2020, 10:46 am
Let's say I'm a bit despaired by the results
I mean everybody agrees the 60's in the strongest decade for films but when I watch the results I only can see a very average list
My ratings for the top 10 : 6, 6+, 6, 8, 7, not seen, 4, 8, 5, 5
@blocho: I dislike The Graduate from the bottom of my heart
And what about all these Polanski's ? I like Rosemary's Baby but so high? And do the others from the 60's really deserve to be in this ranking?
What's deserve got to do with it? By what measure (other than your own taste) is the list average, or are the 60s the apparently-universally agreed-upon (I guess I missed that memo) "strongest decade for films"?
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I think it's more about Psycho being more broadly liked (thus on more lists) but less divisive (so fewer super high ratings), which makes it place lower in the Favorite Movies poll, but higher in this because it gains points from the ones who merely like it a lot. Basically, the 2001 lovers aren't going to rank it that much higher than in the all-time list, so Psycho gains more spots because of the lessened competition, something like that. Might have something to do with different voters too, of course.
blocho wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2020, 12:33 am
I have a hot take for you all: The Graduate is an average movie.
OK ... OK ... not trying to start any fights here. How about a question instead so that I can gain understanding from others: Why do you love The Graduate?
It wasn't actually supposed to still be in my list, woops. I LOVED it the first time I saw it, but the last time I rewatched it I thought it was just ok. I used to find it funny and dynamic, enjoyed Hoffman's character/acting and the soundtrack. Last time I didn't laugh once and actually cringed a few times.
For me it works in exactly the opposite way. I watched it first time 15 years ago and it was... OK (classical 6/10). Then i watched it again two month ago because it was available on amazon prime and now i find it realy great.
Beside "Bonnie & Clyde" it stays for the beginning of New Hollywood, but in another them:
Bonnie & Clyde is the example for the change in showing violence in an american film.
The Graduate is the example for the change in showing moral ideas in an american film.
It takes the great conflict between two generations and questions the established socal values. So imO it doesn't want to be funny, it's more a typical drama.
Another two pros Mightysparks already mentioned are the acting of Dustin Hoffman and the phenomenal great soundtrack.
Two close my post I will end with the end of the film, so SPOILER!
Spoiler
This two minutes show perfectly the premise of the film, when all the people in the bus starring on the two happy young fellas. But it's in the same time no classical hollywood happy end. Because after the first adrenaline over the successful "escape" is gone, a kind of disillusionment starting and makes the smile of the two disappear. And the bus drives into an uncertain future:
I turned in a top 171, and 123 of them were in the top 250. And my top 52 all ranked. Not bad. Of my 48 misses, 19 of them were from that 60s-generation British world that is so reliably underappreciated here.
Highest-ranked unseen films: The Human Condition III, Letter Never Sent, The Great Escape