POLL; Setting up the 2021 Poll schedule (Correct edition)

[beavis]

from the list of 740 titles I sent in for the <400 these 136 are actually <50 checks

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rank title year
8 - Asha Jaoar Majhe - 2014
13 - Nezhnost - 1967
34 - Der traumhafte Weg - 2016
39 - Papa, umer ded moroz - 1991
42 - Anti-Clock - 1979
43 - Florentina Hubaldo, CTE - 2012
44 - Au pan coupé - 1968
45 - A Alma do Osso - 2004
46 - La corruzione - 1963
56 - Drift - 2017
60 - Absences répétées - 1972
68 - Naan Kadavul - 2009
69 - Imburnal - 2008
70 - Nazar - 1990
71 - Om Dar-B-Dar - 1988
72 - Der Rosenkönig - 1986
74 - Pentimento - 1979
77 - River of Fundament - 2014
79 - Serebryanye golovy - 1999
81 - A Vida Invisível - 2013
82 - Illuminated Texts - 1982
83 - Al-khoroug lel-nahar - 2012
84 - Scacco alla regina - 1969
85 - Kanchana Sita - 1977
86 - Macskajáték - 1974
87 - Leones - 2012
88 - Abendland - 1999
89 - Tussen 10 en 12 - 2014
90 - Sophia Antipolis - 2018
97 - La deuxième nuit - 2016
150 - Werewolf - 2016
151 - Sekala Niskala - 2017
173 - La idea de un lago - 2016
517 - Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags - 1929
526 - Je t'attendrai - 1939
532 - Frost - 1997
536 - Avetik - 1992
547 - Skorbnoye beschuvstviye - 1987
548 - Le vampire de Düsseldorf - 1965
558 - Freedom - 2000
559 - Les orgueilleux - 1953
560 - Nemuru otoko - 1996
561 - Tian can bian - 1983
562 - Maya Darpan - 1972
584 - Saraba hakobune - 1984
585 - Proba de microfon - 1980
587 - Shit Year - 2010
588 - Mlad i zdrav kao ruza - 1971
589 - Selbstkritik eines buergerlichen Hundes - 2017
591 - Boginya: kak ya polyubila - 2004
592 - A Margem - 1967
593 - La corrupción de Chris Miller - 1973
594 - Wu lin sheng huo jin - 1983
595 - Die linkshändige Frau - 1978
596 - Panna zázracnica - 1967
597 - Sudoeste - 2011
598 - En rade - 1927
599 - Ru lai shen zhang - 1982
600 - Geschichte der Nacht - 1979
601 - Soko nomi nite hikari kagayaku - 2014
602 - Double Tide - 2009
603 - The Ister - 2004
604 - Mayonaka no Yaji-san Kita-san - 2005
605 - Mesto na zemle - 2001
606 - Noche - 2013
607 - La captive du désert - 1990
613 - 100 - 1973
633 - De vliegende Hollander - 1995
634 - Marg Yazdgerd - 1982
635 - Kyôshin - 2006
636 - Es ist nicht leicht ein Gott zu sein - 1989
637 - Eaux profondes - 1981
638 - In den Tag hinein - 2001
639 - O Princípio da Incerteza - 2002
640 - Szenvedély - 1998
641 - Laulu tulipunaisesta kukasta - 1938
642 - Melodiya dlya sharmanki - 2009
645 - Chekhovskie motivy - 2002
646 - Die Unberührbare - 2000
647 - Der rechte Weg - 1983
648 - 1/2 Mensch - 1986
649 - Het oog boven de put - 1988
650 - O Homem das Multidões - 2013
651 - Freak Orlando - 1981
652 - Shokei no heya - 1956
677 - Karera ga honki de amu toki wa - 2017
678 - Une vie - 2016
679 - L'invenzione di Morel - 1974
680 - Clair de femme - 1979
681 - Septyni nematomi zmones - 2005
682 - Tcherike-ye Tara - 1979
683 - Naar de klote! - 1996
684 - Upír z Feratu - 1982
685 - Litan - 1982
686 - Ce sentiment de l'été - 2015
687 - Watashi no otoko - 2014
688 - White Epilepsy - 2012
689 - Yawarakai seikatsu - 2005
690 - De mantel der Liefde - 1978
691 - Los salvajes - 2012
692 - Tanczacy jastrzab - 1977
693 - Die Berührte - 1981
694 - Marinetti - 1969
697 - Verhängnis - 1994
705 - Slow Action - 2011
706 - Felt - 2014
707 - Nanayomachi - 2008
708 - Smirennaya zhizn - 1997
709 - Charlie en Hannah gaan uit - 2017
710 - Ôinaru gen'ei - 1999
711 - Zhuang si le yi zhi yang - 2018
712 - Gibel Otrara - 1991
713 - Angely revolyutsii - 2014
714 - Desu pawuda - 1986
715 - Dikaya okhota korolya Stakha - 1979
716 - Cheraghi dar meh - 2008
717 - Prata Palomares - 1972
718 - Party - 1996
719 - Traumstadt - 1973
720 - Duminica la ora 6 - 1965
721 - Do svidaniya, malchiki! - 1964
722 - Arcana - 1972
723 - Atlas - 2013
725 - Egomania - Insel ohne Hoffnung - 1986
727 - L'urlo - 1970
728 - Nevestka - 1972
729 - Ventos de Agosto - 2014
730 - Demain on déménage - 2004
731 - Extension du domaine de la lutte - 1999
732 - Gli sbandati - 1955
733 - La carne - 1991
734 - L'estate di Giacomo - 2011
735 - Die Hamburger Krankheit - 1979
736 - Zimowy zmierzch - 1957
737 - Sarah joue un loup garou - 2017
739 - La Paloma - 1974

I could expand that quite a lot (I left of movies with fewer than 16 checks because they would have very little chance of making the <400 list), and in the meanwhile new stuff will have been seen that fits. I hope it's going to be as good as <400 but more shaken up, more surprising, maybe leaning a bit more towards genre and towards regions that are under-represented, even on <400... but I agree the pool of participants might get smaller, while it would actually need to get bigger to get a solid list out of the poll...

[Torgo]

735 - Die Hamburger Krankheit - 1979

I am from Hamburg and somehow didn't know this film.
Very cool, thanks!

[beavis]

yeah, that's one you're going to love I think!

[St. Gloede]

Woah, 1826 at 50 checks or less.

(588 at 10 or less)

Do I win something?

There are some utterly ridiculous inclusions here though.

Hell, on the first page of 11 checks I have both a Renoir and a Duras.

How does La maison du mystère have just 9 checks for instance? I realize it is 382 minutes long, but I thought this was quite a well regarded film.

Or from popular culture, The Fast Show film Bill & Ted only has 9 checks too? Where are the Brits?

How are so many Imai films here?

How is Guitry's I Did it Three Times or Kachyna's Hanele (1999) there...

Going back to 3 checks or less I see a great Epstein feature, and I am somehow the only check for a (granted, just ok) Farocki film.

Jumping back to 11 check films I see Godard, more Duras. At 12 checks I find Lev Kuleshov's The Death Ray. Action, sci-fi from Kuleshov only turned 12 heads? No, it is not a great film, but what?!

Oh, and I haven't even mentioned the amount of Carne` and Germi films I have caught so far...

This is really confusing.

[Onderhond]

Me neither, 362 eligible films it seems

Just to clarify, that's 362 films marked as favorite.
My total of <50 films is 2800.
For 135 films, I'm the only check.

[beavis]

Woah, 1826 at 50 checks or less.
(588 at 10 or less)
Do I win something?

I have 3218 checks <50
including 1153 with 10 or less and a whopping 123 with only my check


EDIT many people have started watching Phillipino films this month and I am still the only check for Alapaap?
there is a Southeast Asia challenge going on and I am still the only check for Jaka Sembung & Bergola Ijo, Neraka perut bumi, Lebak membara, 5 cewek jagoan and Petualangan cinta nyi blorong??

[St. Gloede]

Nicely done, Beavis. You win something.

[Onderhond]

there is a Southeast Asia challenge going on and I am still the only check for Jaka Sembung & Bergola Ijo, Neraka perut bumi, Lebak membara, 5 cewek jagoan and Petualangan cinta nyi blorong??

Are any of these 90s and/or horror films? Gotta aim for doubles and triples you know

[Fergenaprido]

EDIT many people have started watching Phillipino films this month and I am still the only check for Alapaap?
there is a Southeast Asia challenge going on and I am still the only check for Jaka Sembung & Bergola Ijo, Neraka perut bumi, Lebak membara, 5 cewek jagoan and Petualangan cinta nyi blorong??

I was going to watch this a few months ago on Mubi, but they don't have subtitles for the first film (Nyi Blorong), so I didn't want to watch the second one yet (though strangely they have subtitles for it).

And Onderhond, that one's an 80s horror if you want.

[albajos]

125 titles here (below 50). Everything is rated 8/10 or higher. 75% of them is probably norwegian. Which is why people haven't seen them.

That why I didn't vote for the nordic poll. People in this forum never expand their interest beyond Bergman and Kaurismäki, so I find the result rather pointless.

[beasterne]

I have a grand total of 79 eligible films with <50 checks. About 2/3rds of those are Documentary Now! episodes and entries from a web series I enjoy. At least I could contribute a list that includes some Oscar-nominated shorts from the last few years

[albajos]

yes, there are even Aardman shorts with less than 50 checks

[Torgo]

That why I didn't vote for the nordic poll. People in this forum never expand their interest beyond Bergman and Kaurismäki, so I find the result rather pointless.

That's unfair to the countless people here who explore beyond the canon and try to raise more awareness for non-English cinema of the world's many countries.
Your votes and deeper insight would actually improve further nordic polls. I'm sure the forum would appreciate it! (Just don't be too sad if the usual suspects win )

[albajos]

I'm hosting the nordic challenge every time. You can't say I haven't tried to get people to expand. But people only focus on those two diectors in that challenge as well.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

That why I didn't vote for the nordic poll. People in this forum never expand their interest beyond Bergman and Kaurismäki, so I find the result rather pointless.

Your votes and deeper insight would actually improve further nordic polls. I'm sure the forum would appreciate it! (Just don't be too sad if the usual suspects win )

"didn't vote for the nordic poll" (in this poll) isn't the same as won't submit a list in the poll if it's run.

[Torgo]

That why I didn't vote for the nordic poll. People in this forum never expand their interest beyond Bergman and Kaurismäki, so I find the result rather pointless.

Your votes and deeper insight would actually improve further nordic polls. I'm sure the forum would appreciate it! (Just don't be too sad if the usual suspects win )

"didn't vote for the nordic poll" (in this poll) isn't the same as won't submit a list in the poll if it's run.

My bad, got that mixed up. Thanks for clarifying

[Melvelet]

To be fair, I also understood it as Torgo did

[Lonewolf2003]

You don’t have to be American to vote for this
Few days remaining kick

[Torgo]

STOP THE COUNT

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[AdamH]

Sent my vote in by post, did you get it Lonewolf?

[albajos]

[PeacefulAnarchy]

I'm not sure what Lonewolf is going to do, but my suggestion would be to give two slots to the two clear winners and then a new poll for the 10 options between 16 and 20.

[Lonewolf2003]

The poll results:

Under 50 checks 24
Japan (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013) 23
Sports 20
Coming of Age 19
Western (previous edition held in 2016) 19
Contemporary Black & White Films (b/w movies made after +/-1968 (exact date tbd)) 18
pre-1920s 17
21st Century 17
Directorial feature debuts 17
Experimental/Avant-Garde (previous edition held in 2016) 17
Noirs (previous edition held in 2015) 17
Comedies (previous edition held in 2016) 16
Pre-Code 14
African American Cinema 13
Central Asia & Caucasus (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia) 13
Music videos 13
Sci-fi (previous edition held in 2017 and 2013) 13
Horror (previous edition held in 2018, '17, '16, '15, '14, '13 and '12) 12
Movies With the Best Visuals (previous edition held in 2013) 12
Prison 12
Superhero 12
Action (previous edition held in 2016) 11
Book adaptations 11
LGBT (previous edition held in 2017) 11
Maximalist cinema 11
Russia (previous edition held in 2016) 11
Chinese (previous edition held in 2017) 10
Heroic fantasy, medieval and fairytales 10
Iran 10
Latin American and Caribbean (previous edition held in 2016) 10
Whodunnit 10
TV movies 10
Central European (previous edition held in 2016) 9
Christmas (previous edition held in 2012) 9
Crime 9
Essay Films 9
Mexico 9
Nautical Movies 9
Nordic (previous edition held in 2016) 9
Brazil 8
Franchise/Film-series 8
Musical scores / soundtracks 8
Twists 8
Dance 7
Mystery 7
Punk (& Industrial) 7
Religious movies 7
Balkan (previous edition held in 2016) 6
Depressing Movies (previous edition held in 2015) 6
Episodic films 6
Filmed staged Operas, Ballets, Modern Dance or other "High Art" performances 6
Indigenous narratives 6
Movies with a Child Protagonist 6
Thriller/Suspense (previous edition held in 2016) 6
UK (previous edition held in 2017) 6
Canadian (previous edition held in 2017) 5
Films by Black directors / non-White directors / Minority directors 5
1910s 4
Most mediocre, English-spoken unofficial movies 4
Road Trip (previous edition held in 2017) 3
Black-and-white film recommondation for people that don't like b/w films 2
Interaction between scene and used music in a film 2
1890s 1
1900s 1

[Lonewolf2003]

I'm not sure what Lonewolf is going to do, but my suggestion would be to give two slots to the two clear winners and then a new poll for the 10 options between 16 and 20.

The new poll will consist of the top 17 (13 votes and higher, so Sci-fi and above). Cause I think 12 options to decide 8 slots is too limited and with 64 options total 17 going through is a fair amount in my view. Plus it's more in line with the OP.

I won't give the two winners two slots already, cause I want to be sure all options are voted for full heartedly. That people voted for the options they really want and not maybe tactical. or only partial interest. Especially with <50 checks people might revise their vote after the discussion here about that option.

I would like to hear other user's opinions. If more people support PA's suggestion I'm totally open for going with that, it's a good interesting suggestion.

Should I give everyone just 8 votes or less (4, 6?) in the next poll? So people only vote for the few they really want and limit tactical voting with their surplus votes or do less votes actually make for more tactical voting?

[albajos]

Number of votes should be at maximum what we are going to pick

I never use all mine, even with 8, I just vote for what I want, so I hope everyone else does too.


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By the way, if everyone used 16 votes, that means that 24/41 voted for the vinner. That is the popular vote winner regardless. Anything over 50 percent should go on, I'd say

[Gordon_Gekko]

We have six categories with more than 17 votes.. So why not let just the handfull with 17 votes "fight" to the last two slots?

"Three go in. Two come out"

[Lonewolf2003]

We have six categories with more than 17 votes.. So why not let just the handfull with 17 votes "fight" to the last two slots?

"Three go in. Two come out"

Cause I want to be sure, like I said, that everyone who voted for the top option complelty support them and didn't vote for them, cause they thought: "might be interesting but I'm not sure I will vote for it in the final poll"

[pitchorneirda]

And people can change their mind. Frankly I didn't know there would be a 'Silent' poll in November, the "pre-1920s" poll sound less interesting now

[Fergenaprido]

I'm on board with your suggestion Lonewolf: Let's vote on the Top 17 polls, and everyone gets 8 votes since there are 8 slots to fill.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

I don't mind either way. I feel like the top 2 are clearly ahead in a way that makes including them redundant, and a smaller poll with more restricted options makes it easier to choose, but there are a couple of options in the 13-15 votes I'd vote for so I'm not going to complain.

[Lonewolf2003]

Thanks. Unless I hear other opinions I will set up the new poll tomorrow.

[Torgo]

Everything said before sounds pretty reasonable to me

I don't mind either way. I feel like the top 2 are clearly ahead in a way that makes including them redundant

Sure, why not.

[sol]

I feel like the top 2 are clearly ahead in a way that makes including them redundant

I agree with this entirely.

There's a very clear vote gap between second and third place, so cement the first two options in and get us to vote on the rest.

[Cocoa]

24 and 23 is not a huge vote gap compared to 20, the third place from the first poll. It hurts nobody to have a revote on Under 50 checks and Japan on the next poll with all the other options that received at least 13 votes. If they're popular then they'll still win the next poll.

[AdamH]

How about a poll to see if we should include the top two or not?

[Onderhond]

How about a poll to see if we should include the top two or not?

Poll - no poll

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[Torgo]

Yeah, we really should first discuss if we set up a poll to decide on the referendum over the polls.

[albajos]

I need to fund the recount first

[Lonewolf2003]

Final poll is up: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5187&view=unread#unread