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World Cup, Season 4, Match QFD: Estonia vs Russia (Oct 11th)

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Post by joachimt » September 27th, 2020, 3:05 pm

This is match QFD of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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EstoniaMeeletuMindless2006jvvlinklink
RussiaObyknovennoe chudoAn Ordinary Miracle1979Gorrolinklink

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- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Oct 11th
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Extension deadline = Oct 14th
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The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
- In case there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by Mario Gaborović » September 27th, 2020, 3:10 pm

1. Obyknovennoe chudo
2. Meeletu

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#3

Post by Armoreska » September 28th, 2020, 11:04 am

It's nice to see a comedy paired with a comedy and not a drama.
Actually it was more of a fantasy vs fantasy!
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#4

Post by jvv » September 28th, 2020, 6:55 pm

1. Meeletu
2. Obyknovennoe chudo

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#5

Post by Armoreska » October 1st, 2020, 10:58 am

1. Chudo 7
2. Meeletu 6-

Nice try, Eesti. But no minor countries are going to the semis this time.
And what a fitting match, these two movies. And also the countries seeing that one got independence from other.
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Post by Cocoa » October 2nd, 2020, 3:10 am

1. Obyknovennoe chudo 6/10
2. Meeletu 5/10

Both films start out fine but they dragged as time went on and became less interesting. I enjoyed the music in the Russian film.

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Post by Smoover » October 2nd, 2020, 12:11 pm

1. Obyknovennoe chudo 6/10
2. Meeletu 6/10

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Post by filmbantha » October 2nd, 2020, 2:15 pm

Thanks to both managers for taking a punt on comedies! Neither film really made a great impression on me though sadly and this makes me wonder if much of the humour was lost in translation or if it could even be down to a lack of cultural awareness on my part. I agree with Cocoa that the music in the Russian film was enjoyable and might even be what gives it the slight edge in this head to head.

1. Obyknovennoe chudo 5/10
2. Meeletu 5/10

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Post by Armoreska » October 2nd, 2020, 2:35 pm

filmbantha wrote:
October 2nd, 2020, 2:15 pm
makes me wonder if much of the humour was lost in translation
You can be sure of that with russian movies, especially comedies. I just clicked in a random spot and immediately noticed a loss of some meaning in the sub. You can add a point for that, but I don't remember how much it affects the movie. I can understand the plot is not for everyone.
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Post by 72aicm » October 3rd, 2020, 11:04 am

1. Meeletu 7/10
2. Obyknovennoe chudo 5/10

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Post by hurluberlu » October 4th, 2020, 7:23 am

1. Meeletu 6
2. Obyknovennoe chudo 5+
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Post by zhangalan » October 4th, 2020, 8:43 am

1. Obyknovennoe chudo
2. Meeletu

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Post by Armoreska » October 4th, 2020, 8:57 am

Eesti 3-6 Rossiya
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Post by joachimt » October 5th, 2020, 11:39 am

1. Meeletu 6/10
2. Obyknovennoe chudo 5/10

Pretty weak match. Meeletu was okay. I had some mild fun with it. The Russian movie seemed like more fun at first glance, but I didn't get into the story at all and the songs annoyed me. I liked the set design though.
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Post by Gorro » October 6th, 2020, 3:40 pm

1. Obyknovennoe chudo
2. Meeletu

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Post by beavis » October 6th, 2020, 6:49 pm

1. Meeletu 7/10
2. Obyknovennoe chudo 6.5/10

kinda agree with Joachimt, somewhat milder in my rating, but the Russian one really was annoying actually... I do love skazka, but this was just not my thing

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Post by zuma » October 7th, 2020, 4:25 pm

01 - Meeletu

02 - Obyknovennoe chudo

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Post by Mario Gaborović » October 7th, 2020, 5:14 pm

Image Meeletu: 6
Image Obyknovennoe chudo: 7

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#19

Post by weirdboy » October 8th, 2020, 1:40 am

1. Obyknovennoe chudo AKA An Ordinary Miracle (1979) - Mark Zakharov
2. Meeletu AKA Mindless (2006) - Elmo Nüganen

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Post by klaus78 » October 9th, 2020, 12:01 pm

1. Meeletu (Estonia) 6/10
2. Obyknovennoe chudo (Russia) 5/10

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Post by Muellwind » October 9th, 2020, 10:38 pm

1. Meeletu
2. Obyknovennoe chudo

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2020, 11:00 pm

8 votes all... is the upset possible???
Where are the voters? A dozen more.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » October 10th, 2020, 5:27 am

1. Meeletu
2. Obyknovennoe chudo

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Post by edward5 » October 10th, 2020, 11:26 am

1. Meeletu
2. Obyknovennoe chudo

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Post by joachimt » October 10th, 2020, 12:11 pm

Image Meeletu: 10
Image Obyknovennoe chudo: 8

Little less than two days left.
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Post by Angel Glez » October 11th, 2020, 9:12 am

1. Meeletu
2. Obyknovennoe chudo

Weak round. I appreciate the managers' attempt to bring some fun, though.

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Post by zzzorf » October 11th, 2020, 11:52 am

1. Obyknovennoe chudo
2. Meeletu

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Post by joachimt » October 11th, 2020, 12:29 pm

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Post by Armoreska » October 11th, 2020, 2:34 pm

19 hrs left to get at least 5 more votes in
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Post by clemmetarey » October 11th, 2020, 10:17 pm

1. Obyknovennoe chudo (1979) 6/10
2. Meeletu (2006) 5/10

Funny to see both of them are TV Movies.

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 12th, 2020, 8:34 am

I echo Angel's sentiments about the selections this round. I can't really decide which one I like better... or rather which one I don't dislike more. Neither film was bad, but neither stood out for me either. And for comedies, both films were surprisingly slow and somewhat drab.

The exposition at the start of Mindless was cringey, and I thought the film was going in a totally different direction. But things got better once he moved to the country house. It was good and mellow for a while, but then it got old with the revolving door of visitors. The film had an interesting premise, but it never really went anywhere, and the conclusion at the end was not satisfying at all.

An Ordinary Miracle is like the poster boy for Soviet films, it was just so... Soviet. It was long, even when breaking it up into two parts. Unlike other Russian comedies from that era that I've seen, this one didn't hold up as well, nor was it as funny, and I wonder how much of its high rating is due to actual enjoyment, and how much is due to nostalgia. I'm also curious how the same story was told a decade or so earlier with a much shorter running time (almost an hour less). Everyone in the ensemble did their part, and it was generally pleasant overall, but it didn't really capture my interest or constantly hold my attention. I do find it interesting in that it's a fantasy film without any fantastical things taking place on screen (the few bits of magic the magician claims to have done are all off screen). I'm not sure what to make of the songs either. The whole thing was just rather absurd.

I'll give the edge to Russia since their film was more memorable, though both are only about 6.5s

1. An Ordinary Miracle
2. Mindless

And I believe that brings it back to a tie if I've counted correctly.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » October 12th, 2020, 9:34 am

Image Meeletu: 11
Image Obyknovennoe chudo: 11

Tied and it's 25 minutes to go.

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Post by joachimt » October 12th, 2020, 11:41 am

Deadline is over. There's a three day extension.

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#34

Post by joachimt » October 12th, 2020, 11:45 am

Only 22 votes so far. Lowest number before was 24. All people with perfect participation have voted. Users with at least 50% participation who haven't voted this match so far:
burneyfan
sacmersault
kingink
pitchorneirda
Traveller

There are 21 users with perfect participation. Gorro is the only voter this match without 100% participation.
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Post by jvv » October 12th, 2020, 12:52 pm

joachimt wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 11:45 am
Only 22 votes so far. Lowest number before was 24. All people with perfect participation have voted. Users with at least 50% participation who haven't voted this match so far:
burneyfan
sacmersault
kingink
pitchorneirda
Traveller

There are 21 users with perfect participation. Gorro is the only voter this match without 100% participation.
I guess people on this forum really don't like comedy.

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Post by Armoreska » October 12th, 2020, 1:41 pm

Let's ask them, provided they read.
How come, you haven't watched the movies this round...Burneyfan, Sacmersault, Kingink, Pitchorneirda, Traveller.
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#37

Post by weirdboy » October 12th, 2020, 2:01 pm

The obvious solution is that we do a tournament of arm wrestling matches to decide the winner between the two groups.

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Post by Armoreska » October 12th, 2020, 2:26 pm

I propose we count the number of russians and estonians, or those who speak the language, among those who voted and determine the winner that way :D
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Post by pitchorneirda » October 12th, 2020, 8:19 pm

60% problem of availability, I couldn't download the Russian movie in time
20% the movies didn't really appeal to me that's true, at least not enough to make a huge effort to get them
20% lack of time to spare, hectic schedule at work these past few weeks

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Post by joachimt » October 12th, 2020, 8:27 pm

So can you make it in 2.5 days, pitch?
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