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World Cup, Season 4, Match QFA: Poland vs Georgia (Sep 10th)

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Post by joachimt » August 27th, 2020, 6:12 pm

This is match QFA of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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PolandDuze zwierzeBig Animal2000sebbylinklink
GeorgiaVedrebaThe Plea1967zzzorflinklink

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- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

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The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
- In case there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
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We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by Cocoa » August 27th, 2020, 6:46 pm

1. Duze zwierze 8/10
2. Vedreba 6/10

Vedreba shows huge potential at the beginning, but this feeling doesn't last for long. The narration was overdone in a lot of scenes.

Duze zwierze (l) Cute film.
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The camel is obviously a metaphor that can be easily substituted which should make the film relatable to most people. Although this type of metaphor seems more fitting for children in terms of being bullied at a young age (usually at school by their classmates who wants some object the child has) but it still works for adults.

Person gets this X, some people love X, but then there are others that are envious for one reason or another and will attempt to destroy the person's happiness by taking X away from the person. In the end, person no longer has X. Person longs for X and tries to find some sort of alternative replacement because of the everlasting emotions that won't go away. Person knows it's not the same but it doesn't stop the person from seeking this alternative.

The zoo ending was bittersweet. They missed the camel so much that they wanted to see another. The way the characters let the camels at the zoo embrace them seem to imply that the couple did not go to the zoo in search of their camel (also because there are so many townspeople that could have stolen it and did whatever to the camel for the couple to never find it again) but to simply be in the presence of a camel. Obviously, they would have preferred to have their original camel back but not everyone can have everything they desire. The subtitles I watched said they got a "return" ticket which I assume means "one-way" in this context so they probably won't return to their town, leaving what happens afterwards up to the imagination.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 28th, 2020, 5:35 pm

1. Vedreba
2. Duże zwierzę

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Post by zuma » August 29th, 2020, 2:54 am

01 - Duze zwierze

02 - Vedreba

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Post by Smoover » August 29th, 2020, 11:14 am

1. Vedreba 7/10
2. Duże zwierzę 6/10

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Post by hurluberlu » August 29th, 2020, 12:44 pm

1. Vedreba 8-
2. Duże zwierzę 6
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Post by Traveller » August 29th, 2020, 4:04 pm

1. Vedreba
2. Duze zwierze
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Post by klaus78 » August 29th, 2020, 4:13 pm

1. Duze zwierze (Poland) 8/10
2. Vedreba (Georgia) 7/10
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Post by beavis » August 29th, 2020, 8:20 pm

1. Vedreba - 8
2. Duże zwierzę - 7,5

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Post by Muellwind » August 30th, 2020, 6:07 pm

1. Duze zwierze
2. Vedreba

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Post by 72aicm » August 30th, 2020, 7:17 pm

1. Duze zwierze
2. Vedreba

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Post by joachimt » August 30th, 2020, 7:19 pm

And we have a match again!

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 31st, 2020, 2:29 pm

1. Duze zwierze 8/10
2. Vedreba 6/10

I liked every single scene of Duze Zwierze. It got better minute by minute, I think it didn't miss any of the steps in the process of peer pressure to get someone back on the straight and narrow.
I also have a soft spot for the music and it gave the movie a self-mocking tone that suited the irony of the situation.

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Post by clemmetarey » September 1st, 2020, 8:54 am

1. Vedreba (1967) 6/10
2. Duze zwierze (2000) 6/10

Very close match, I liked both films.

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Post by sacmersault » September 3rd, 2020, 9:24 am

1. Vedreba. Love it!

2. Duze Zwierze. I thought I was going to love it, given it was written by Kiewslowski but it was unimpresssive.

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Post by jvv » September 3rd, 2020, 9:06 pm

1. Duze zwierze
2. Vedreba

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Post by Armoreska » September 4th, 2020, 2:13 pm

It's almost a tossup.
Better subs: Polska
Less speciesist: Polska
My vote goes to the camel.
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Post by joachimt » September 4th, 2020, 3:56 pm

1. Vedreba - 8
2. Duże zwierzę - 7

(copy beavis' post, but I don't do half points)
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Post by Armoreska » September 4th, 2020, 5:15 pm

Polska 8-8 Sakartvelo
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Post by burneyfan » September 4th, 2020, 6:18 pm

Very tough round -- both movies were great. Thank you, sebby and zzzorf!

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2. Vedreba

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Post by zhangalan » September 5th, 2020, 3:30 am

1. Vedreba
2. Duże zwierzę

Making it a tie again.
Nevertheless, my favourite Tengiz Abuladze is Monanieba. Not really a fan of Vedreba.

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Post by zzzorf » September 6th, 2020, 11:29 am

1. Vedreba 8/10
2. Duże zwierzę 7/10

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Post by joachimt » September 6th, 2020, 11:37 am

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Post by weirdboy » September 8th, 2020, 1:03 pm

1. Vedreba AKA The Plea (1967) - Tengiz Abuladze
2. Duze Zwiere AKA Big Animal (2000) - Jerzy Stuhr


I liked both films closely enough that I may very well have voted differently if I were in a different mood.


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Post by joachimt » September 8th, 2020, 5:47 pm

For a moment there was a two-vote difference again, but filmbantha killed it.
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Post by Angel Glez » September 8th, 2020, 6:43 pm

1. Duze zwierze
2. Vedreba

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Post by joachimt » September 8th, 2020, 7:16 pm

And back at a tie.
Image Duze zwierze: 11
Image Vedreba: 11
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Post by Melvelet » September 9th, 2020, 11:43 am

1. Vedreba 8-/10
Not always easy to follow (it is 2 filmed poems after all) but it has the beautiful cinematography that I just love about the 60s. A poetic reflection on evil, the fight against evil, the perception of 'the other' as evil and the question whether that fight against those who create evil only leads to new evil in itself by creating a spiral of violence.

2. Duze zwierze 6/10
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Post by Nathan Treadway » September 10th, 2020, 4:50 am

1. Duze zwierze
2. Vedreba

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Post by sebby » September 10th, 2020, 8:24 am

1. Duze zwierze
2. Vedreba

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Post by edward5 » September 10th, 2020, 9:03 am

1. Duże zwierzę
2. Vedreba

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Post by Mario Gaborović » September 10th, 2020, 5:46 pm

Image Duże zwierzę: 14
Image Vedreba: 12

16 hours left.

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Post by Fergenaprido » September 10th, 2020, 8:19 pm

1. Poland - 7ish
2. Georgia - 6ish

The Big Animal was okay; I knew it was a satire, but I just didn't connect with the mood of the piece. It tried, though, and it had a sweet ending.
The Plea was meh. Got better as it went along, but this style of filmmaking is not for me.

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Post by Fergenaprido » September 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm

And... Poland wins? I didn't expect to be the last voter with more than 12 hours before the deadline, especially since the match was so close the entire time.

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Post by Armoreska » September 11th, 2020, 4:38 pm

gratulacje, Polska! najlepszy kraj filmowy na świecie, na zawsze!

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Post by Mario Gaborović » September 11th, 2020, 5:06 pm

Match is over. Poland wins.

Image Duże zwierzę: 15
Image Vedreba: 12

Congratulations to sebby. Also thanks to zzzorf for his pick and the 27 people who voted this match.

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Post by joachimt » September 11th, 2020, 5:30 pm

Check. 15-12 indeed. The final four votes in a row were the decisive factor.

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Post by Armoreska » September 11th, 2020, 6:07 pm

The stragglers are not as appreciative of slow art house cinema.
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viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo

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