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iCM Forum's Favourite Films on 0 Official Lists - Results [2020 edition]

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Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Films on 0 Official Lists - Results [2020 edition]

#121

Post by Fergenaprido » August 6th, 2020, 7:20 pm

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#145 (+2030, #2175) Lost River (2014, Ryan Gosling), 227.56 points, 869 checks, 40 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 145, 2175, --
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pitchorneirda (#25)
Melvelet (#1)
Onderhond (#43)

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#144 (#new) Kubo and the Two Strings (2016, Travis Knight), 228 points, 5401 checks, 547 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 144, new, --
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Fergenaprido (#302)
Gorro (#107)
cinewest (#66)
beasterne (#11)
Teproc (#21)

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#143 (+113, #256) Crazy, Stupid, Love. (2011, Ficarra & Requa), 228.04 points, 27670 checks, 1581 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 143, 256, 434
5 votesShow
Panunzio (#40)
Fergenaprido (#396)
Gorro (#93)
shugs (#8)
Gershwin (#50)

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#142 (#new) Laissez bronzer les cadavres [Let the Corpses Tan] (2017, Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani), 228.68 points, 237 checks, 21 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 142, new, --
6 votesShow
TraverseTown (#244)
matthewscott8 (#54)
outdoorcats (#52)
Gorro (#452)
mightysparks (#68)
Cocoa (#10)

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#141 (+997, #1138) All I Desire (1953, Douglas Sirk), 229.33 points, 259 checks, 14 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 141, 1138, 150
6 votesShow
Lonewolf2003 (#29)
TraverseTown (#141)
Pretentious Hipster (#39)
Cinephage (#381)
OldAle1 (unranked>100)
Y U M E (#16)

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#122

Post by Ebbywebby » August 6th, 2020, 8:18 pm

Please trim screenshots when replying. The previous page of posts had the same bluish Takashi Makino screenshot four times.

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#123

Post by Onderhond » August 6th, 2020, 8:31 pm

Seems Melvelet and I are bonding too. Happy to see Lost River pop up. Benoît Debie ftw!
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August 6th, 2020, 7:05 pm
re: Man on Fire and Tony Scott; haven't seen that one, don't really like Scott all that much - 8 films seen, none I would call a favorite though I did like Crimson Tide a fair bit, and really want to re-watch The Hunger (saw it around 1987). I have grudgingly started to accept that he is overall miles better than Bay, at least, not that that's saying much.
I'd say Bay is a bit more consistent, but Scott has brighter highlights. At their best they're both equally capable though.

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#124

Post by beasterne » August 6th, 2020, 10:10 pm

Onderhond wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 6:19 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 6:09 pm
Here's the only other Black Mirror, though I think this was positioned as a movie instead of an episode. There are 10 other episodes outside the Top 250 but inside the Top 1000.
Probably my worst movie experience ever. Half of the choices were completely uninteresting and most didn't lead to where you wanted/expected them to go (so why even give us a choice).
The lack of real choice was a little frustrating at first, until I realized that was the thesis of the whole film. I loved how meta it was. It's a choose your own adventure story about writing a choose your own adventure story, and it doesn't offer any real choices as the protagonist realizes choose your own adventure stories don't offer real choice. And that in turn is a clever way to highlight the themes of determinism vs. free will. I thought it was actually a very creative way to use the choose your own adventure technology and format while at the same time critiquing the limits of the same.

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#125

Post by Teproc » August 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm

I liked the idea of Bandersnatch but found the execution very artifically edgy and generally uninspired. I would love for them (or someone else) to explore this idea further though.

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#126

Post by cinewest » August 7th, 2020, 1:38 am

Onderhond wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 2:38 pm
cinewest wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 2:13 pm
Have you watched much Tony Scott or any director who came up making commercials Or music videos. Everything you are talking about was totally vogue in Hollywood at the time this film was made.
14/19 on Scott for me, so I've watched a decent bit of his oeuvre. Domino is better still and he started off strong with The Hunger, but the rest of his film doesn't even come close. Neither do many other Hollywood films of that time. A few tried to follow in his footsteps though. There are films like Crank, Running Scared, Shoot 'em Up and Smokin' Aces (though not Hollywood), but that's where my pool ends. All clearly influenced by Scott.

So I need names, not vague directions.

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August 6th, 2020, 2:13 pm
Speaking of which, how many times have you seen variations on this exact same story?
I hardly even remember what Man of Fire was about, then again I don't care much about "stories" or how many time they've been told already. You claim to be a genre fan, so you really should have some notion of this concept already :p
Suffice to say that I'm not interested in discussing films I don't like very much, though I will write an occasional "take down" review if it is a film that I think is being way overrated. I'd rather talk about a film that I love with someone who shares the love.

Seems like we might have a somewhat different notion of genre films, too, though I already told you that I don't like the action/violence or typical horror genres because they don't offer enough of what I appreciate about cinema and too much of what I don't.

Even so, there is plenty I like that is classified as one of these, and an example of an action film I like would be something like the original Bourne Identity, which not only has a good story, but action scenes that are somewhat believable even when they stretch their credibility.

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#127

Post by cinewest » August 7th, 2020, 5:45 am

Happen to have a soft spot for Julia Taylor’s Across The Universe. Have loved the Beatles’ music since childhood, and I thought she did an amazing job with many of the production numbers, as well as in using them to fashion a story around 1960’s America, with a tip of the hat to various iconic figures from the counter cultural revolution.
Reminded me of Hair in many ways, but I think it was more imaginative in the way that it reinterpreted the Beatle’s music, including the meaning of the lyrics.
And said and done, though, it was the production numbers that carried the day for me.

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#128

Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 6:20 am

cinewest wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:38 am
Suffice to say that I'm not interested in discussing films I don't like very much, though I will write an occasional "take down" review if it is a film that I think is being way overrated. I'd rather talk about a film that I love with someone who shares the love.
Sure, it's also a lot harder to see originality in things you don't appreciate, that doesn't mean it isn't there though. If Man of Fire was a standard Hollywood product, I'd be a much bigger fan of Hollywood cinema.
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August 7th, 2020, 1:38 am
Seems like we might have a somewhat different notion of genre films, too
Clearly. While I'm not going to aim for an exact definition of genre cinema, I will say it's usually characterized by a lesser focus on originality, plot, technical excellence and acting, and a stronger focus on the genre elements themselves. Typical genre cinema (like martial arts, action, horror, sci-fi, fantasy, romcom, ...) will have lots of cross-overs in blockbuster and arthouse cinema, but liking those doesn't make you a genre (cinema) fan. You're not a martial arts fan when you like Hero but when you have fun going through the Shaw Bros library. You're not a horror fan when you like Midsommar, but when you made it to entry 15 in the Halloween franchise and don't feel like giving up just yet, you're not an action fan when you've liked a Bourne flick, but when you've gone through JCVD's entire oeuvre and are disappointed he's near the end of his career.

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#129

Post by nimimerkillinen » August 7th, 2020, 6:46 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
August 4th, 2020, 8:11 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
August 4th, 2020, 8:03 pm
#241 (#new) Blue Ruin (2013, Jeremy Saulnier), 184.8 points, 3559 checks, 260 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 241, new, 89
6 votesShow
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
Perception de Ambiguity (#813)
Gordon_Gekko (#137)
outdoorcats (#72)
Blocho (unranked)
Melvelet (unranked>30)
I'll check afterwards to see if there is a trend, but I suspect that films that recently became unofficial didn't fare as well as they did because people thought they were still official. Blue Ruin is a good example as it did quite well in the first poll (granted, with a slightly different userbase and halflife). I haven't seen it yet, but did anyone forget to vote for it because they thought it was still official?
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#130

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 7:28 am

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#140 (+1868, #2008) Klass [The Class] (2007, Ilmar Raag), 229.56 points, 916 checks, 97 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 140, 2008, 475
5 votesShow
Gordon_Gekko (#11)
Fergenaprido (#306)
filmbantha (#32)
Gorro (#318)
Lakigigar (#22)

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#139 (-38, #101) Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief (2015, Alex Gibney), 229.89 points, 2666 checks, 137 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 139, 101, --
7 votesShow
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
JimiAntiloop (#31)
Gorro (#435)
joachimt (unranked>167)
Ebbywebby (#27)
mathiasa (#168)

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#138 (#new) Tma/Svetlo/Tma [DarknessLight/Darkness] (1989, Jan Švankmajer), 229.95 points, 2259 checks, 177 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 138, new, --
7 votesShow
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
outdoorcats (#41)
lineuphere (#166)
joachimt (unranked>167)
Cinephage (#493)
mightysparks (#20)
ChrisReynolds (#56)

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#137 (#new) Contagion (2011, Steven Soderbergh), 230.03 points, 13463 checks, 382 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 137, new, --
8 votesShow
Panunzio (#35)
Perception de Ambiguity (#130)
outdoorcats (#149)
mightysparks (#207)
beasterne (#54)
Teproc (#46)
sol (#144)
mathiasa (#129)

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#136 (+35, #171) Camille Claudel 1915 (2013, Bruno Dumont), 230.17 points, 300 checks, 15 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 136, 171, 111
4 votesShow
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
Clemmetarey (#1)
beavis (#20)
Smoover (#183)

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#131

Post by cinewest » August 7th, 2020, 7:54 am

Onderhond wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 6:20 am
cinewest wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:38 am
Suffice to say that I'm not interested in discussing films I don't like very much, though I will write an occasional "take down" review if it is a film that I think is being way overrated. I'd rather talk about a film that I love with someone who shares the love.
Sure, it's also a lot harder to see originality in things you don't appreciate, that doesn't mean it isn't there though. If Man of Fire was a standard Hollywood product, I'd be a much bigger fan of Hollywood cinema.
cinewest wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:38 am
Seems like we might have a somewhat different notion of genre films, too
Clearly. While I'm not going to aim for an exact definition of genre cinema, I will say it's usually characterized by a lesser focus on originality, plot, technical excellence and acting, and a stronger focus on the genre elements themselves. Typical genre cinema (like martial arts, action, horror, sci-fi, fantasy, romcom, ...) will have lots of cross-overs in blockbuster and arthouse cinema, but liking those doesn't make you a genre (cinema) fan. You're not a martial arts fan when you like Hero but when you have fun going through the Shaw Bros library. You're not a horror fan when you like Midsommar, but when you made it to entry 15 in the Halloween franchise and don't feel like giving up just yet, you're not an action fan when you've liked a Bourne flick, but when you've gone through JCVD's entire oeuvre and are disappointed he's near the end of his career.
Well put (though not entirely correct), and I never claimed to be a fan of genre cinema, though many films from different genres are among my favorites.
As for the first part, I also agree. A lot depends on how we see cinema, and what we find interesting about it.

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#132

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 10:41 am

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#135 (+868, #1003) Shiki-Jitsu [Ritual] (2000, Hideaki Anno), 230.35 points, 124 checks, 21 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 135, 1003, --
4 votesShow
Lakigigar (#3)
joachimt (unranked>167)
Onderhond (#9)
Y U M E (#63)

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#134 (+278, #412) Delta (2008, Kornél Mundruczó), 230.64 points, 92 checks, 8 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 134, 412, --
4 votesShow
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
matthewscott8 (#315)
pitchorneirda (#6)
cinewest (#8)

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#133 (+307, #440) Lorenzo's Oil (1992, George Miller), 231.36 points, 1572 checks, 76 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 133, 440, 455
3 votesShow
jeff_v (#9)
Teproc (#10)
sol (#46)

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#132 (+5670, #5802) Singapore sling: O anthropos pou agapise ena ptoma (1990, Nikos Nikolaidis), 232.18 points, 183 checks, 18 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 132, 5802, 798
5 votesShow
rnilsson19 (#21)
Pretentious Hipster (#223)
Cinephage (#263)
beavis (#34)
sol (#12)

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#131 (+300, #431) Easy A (2010, Will Gluck), 232.21 points, 36364 checks, 2095 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 131, 431, 833
7 votesShow
Fergenaprido (#97)
Gorro (#108)
Lakigigar (#39)
joachimt (unranked>167)
shugs (#32)
beasterne (#76)
brokenface (#109)

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#133

Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 10:53 am

Happy to see Ritual pop up! ICMf has a knack to pick screencaps that make every film look like a social drama though :D

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#134

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 11:01 am

Onderhond wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 10:53 am
Happy to see Ritual pop up! ICMf has a knack to pick screencaps that make every film look like a social drama though :D
Haha, yeah. I think it's hard sometimes when we're looking for screenshots and we haven't seen the film, so we pick something seemingly random or unimportant for those who've already seen it.

Ritual was one already in the list I received. I've only switched out one screenshot so far, and that was the Crazy Stupid Love one. I thought the original screenshot was too boring and hard to see. Plus, everyone deserves more Gosling abs in their life :D and the Gosling-Stone pairing was central to the film. I almost picked the locker room scene, but I thought that might be too much for some guys :P
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#135

Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 11:19 am

It's a shame I never kept the originals for my blog (they're all recut to a 3:1 ratio), otherwise I could donate some. I do respond quite heavily to screenshots, so it's weird to see one of my all-time favorites and go "ewwww, no thanks" before realizing I actually voted for it :D

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#136

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 11:25 am

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#130 (+3683, #3813) Yella (2007, Christian Petzold), 236.35 points, 213 checks, 11 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 130, 3813, 1303
5 votesShow
OBgeoff (#58)
pitchorneirda (#5)
Y U M E (#103)
Smoover (#129)
Cocoa (#44)

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#129 (+483, #612) Go (1999, Doug Liman), 236.57 points, 2947 checks, 164 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 129, 612, 493
6 votesShow
Gordon_Gekko (#9)
frbrown (#73)
Gorro (#347)
joachimt (#70)
gromit82 (#87)
mathiasa (#66)

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#128 (#new) Life Itself (2014, Steve James), 236.92 points, 1930 checks, 162 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 128, new, --
7 votesShow
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
AB537 (unranked>40)
Ebbywebby (#56)
OldAle1 (unranked>100)
Smoover (#115)
beasterne (#24)
mathiasa (#187)

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#127 (-44, #83) Jôen [The Affair] (1967, Yoshishige Yoshida), 238.42 points, 100 checks, 13 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 127, 83, --
3 votesShow
joachimt (#22)
Melvelet (#13)
Y U M E (#18)

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#126 (+145, #271) Emperor of the North Pole (1973, Robert Aldrich), 239.52 points, 368 checks, 29 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 126, 271, 3930
6 votesShow
Perception de Ambiguity (#86)
frbrown (#71)
pitchorneirda (#15)
Gorro (#259)
Cinephage (#332)
brokenface (#13)

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#137

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 11:26 am

Onderhond wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 11:19 am
It's a shame I never kept the originals for my blog (they're all recut to a 3:1 ratio), otherwise I could donate some. I do respond quite heavily to screenshots, so it's weird to see one of my all-time favorites and go "ewwww, no thanks" before realizing I actually voted for it :D
A few of yours came up in the Google search when I was looking, but I didn't use them for that very reason (3:1 ratio). Otherwise, your screenshots are gorgeous :wub:

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#138

Post by OldAle1 » August 7th, 2020, 11:31 am

Onderhond wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 11:19 am
It's a shame I never kept the originals for my blog (they're all recut to a 3:1 ratio), otherwise I could donate some. I do respond quite heavily to screenshots, so it's weird to see one of my all-time favorites and go "ewwww, no thanks" before realizing I actually voted for it :D
That's honestly a big reason why I don't look at your blog too often - can't stand that you fuck with the aspect ratios like that, to be blunt.

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#139

Post by sol » August 7th, 2020, 11:35 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 10:41 am
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#132 (+5670, #5802) Singapore sling: O anthropos pou agapise ena ptoma (1990, Nikos Nikolaidis), 232.18 points, 183 checks, 18 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 132, 5802, 798
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rnilsson19 (#21)
Pretentious Hipster (#223)
Cinephage (#263)
beavis (#34)
sol (#12)
:pleasing:

Here's to hoping at least one more out-there Nikolaidis masterpiece makes it. :wub:
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#140

Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 11:46 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 11:26 am
A few of yours came up in the Google search when I was looking, but I didn't use them for that very reason (3:1 ratio). Otherwise, your screenshots are gorgeous :wub:
Thanks! Screencapping is definitely one of the highlights of reviewing a film for me. I'm a bit neurotic though, so I couldn't live with all the different ratios (and couldn't live with autocrop).
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August 7th, 2020, 11:31 am
That's honestly a big reason why I don't look at your blog too often - can't stand that you fuck with the aspect ratios like that, to be blunt.
Well, that's fair, but I prefer it over humongous images breaking up the page (or mini-screencaps that don't really convey the beauty of a scene). Definitely not saying it's ideal and I often feel a little sad having to crop an image, but I prefer the consistency and bigger focus on the review it allows.

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#141

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 11:54 am

We've reached the halfway point. The first film with double-digit voters is in this batch.

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#125 (-15, #110) Death on the Nile (1978, John Guillermin), 240.48 points, 1400 checks, 63 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 125, 110, 359
4 votesShow
Gordon_Gekko (#1)
sortile9io (#79)
Caracortada (#43)
sol (#50)

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#124 (+72, #196) Die Wand [The Wall] (2012, Julian Polsler), 240.86 points, 269 checks, 31 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 124, 196, 258
4 votesShow
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
Melvelet (#21)
Smoover (#12)
brokenface (#79)

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#123 (+128, #251) The Wrong Box (1966, Bryan Forbes), 242.88 points, 162 checks, 9 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 123, 251, 2250
4 votesShow
Ebbywebby (#4)
3eyes (#17)
shugs (#36)
sol (#213)

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#122 (#new) Thank You for Smoking (2005, Jason Reitman), 244.68 points, 27341 checks, 1844 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 122, new, --
10 votesShow
Lonewolf2003 (#23)
OBgeoff (#192)
Perception de Ambiguity (#801)
Gordon_Gekko (#47)
Fergenaprido (#298)
AB537 (#34)
joachimt (unranked>167)
Nathan Treadway (unranked)
Cocoa (#320)
sol (#304)

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#121 (#new) Pretty Poison (1968, Noel Black), 248.75 points, 445 checks, 21 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 121, new, --
4 votesShow
jeff_v (#26)
Blocho (unranked)
lineuphere (#36)
mathiasa (#23)

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#142

Post by OldAle1 » August 7th, 2020, 1:00 pm

Onderhond wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 11:46 am

Well, that's fair, but I prefer it over humongous images breaking up the page (or mini-screencaps that don't really convey the beauty of a scene). Definitely not saying it's ideal and I often feel a little sad having to crop an image, but I prefer the consistency and bigger focus on the review it allows.
I can understand that, and I actually have a friend who has a blog who's done the same thing, though I think he does have the correct AR more often than not. It's just surprising with you given your stronger focus on the image than most. Anyway I rarely look at long reviews until after I see a film so it's a minor irritation I suppose. And I'd rather have more blogs out there, even if they don't meet my personal standards :lol: , than have everything go to YouTube, which is certainly where we're headed.

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#143

Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 1:11 pm

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#120 (+1954, #2074) Kajaki [Kilo Two Bravo] (2014, Paul Katis), 248.77 points, 270 checks, 21 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 120, 2074, --
7 votesShow
Lammetje (#7)
Gordon_Gekko (#184)
Fergenaprido (#197)
filmbantha (#53)
outdoorcats (#88)
maxwelldeux (#35)
joachimt (unranked>167)

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#119 (#new) Searching (2018, Aneesh Chaganty), 248.87 points, 2134 checks, 178 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 119, new, --
7 votesShow
explorer95 (#20)
Gordon_Gekko (#96)
Gorro (#256)
joachimt (#24)
mightysparks (#257)
beasterne (#39)
sol (#186)

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#118 (-1, #117) Härlig är jorden [World of Glory] (1991, Roy Andersson), 248.93 points, 548 checks, 66 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 118, 117, --
6 votesShow
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
Perception de Ambiguity (#231)
JimiAntiloop (unranked>255)
joachimt (#102)
Lilarcor (#8)
ChrisReynolds (#15)

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#117 (+208, #325) Alexandra's Project (2003, Rolf de Heer), 249.51 points, 253 checks, 19 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 117, 325, --
5 votesShow
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
maxwelldeux (#54)
joachimt (unranked>167)
72aicm (unranked)
sol (#15)

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#116 (#new) Brawl in Cell Block 99 (2017, S. Craig Zahler), 249.78 points, 1248 checks, 115 favourites (IMDb)
Poll History: 116, new, --
6 votesShow
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
Gordon_Gekko (#59)
outdoorcats (#163)
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Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 1:16 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:00 pm
It's just surprising with you given your stronger focus on the image than most.
Well, that is true, zooming in though (hah, pun) I think I care slightly more about color & lighting than composition & framing. Cropping may ruin the composition, but the images still work as a kind of mood board, which is their main goal.
Another (big) problem is that I'm not a visual designer, and fixed image ratio makes design so much easier to pull off. Alas, I'm a programmer and have to do everything myself, so from time to time I have to make compromises :)

No video for me though, too slow/difficult to consume.

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Post by sol » August 7th, 2020, 1:17 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
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#117 (+208, #325) Alexandra's Project (2003, Rolf de Heer), 249.51 points, 253 checks, 19 favourites (IMDb)
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Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 1:24 pm

sol wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:17 pm
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Next step: 500<400 entrance and 2021 World Cup winner. B)
Is the 'drama' categorization on IMDb relevant, or is it one of those "everything is drama on IMDb" situations?

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Post by sol » August 7th, 2020, 1:32 pm

Onderhond wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:24 pm
sol wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 1:17 pm
:clap:

Next step: 500<400 entrance and 2021 World Cup winner. B)
Is the 'drama' categorization on IMDb relevant, or is it one of those "everything is drama on IMDb" situations?
I'd say that it is more of a psychological thriller; certainly a film that becomes darker and more twisted as it progresses, without giving too much away.
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Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 1:45 pm

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#115 (+735, #850) Fängelse [Prison] (1949, Ingmar Bergman), 250.05 points, 222 checks, 13 favourites (IMDb)
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#114 (#new) Wind River (2017, Taylor Sheridan), 250.21 points, 4002 checks, 344 favourites (IMDb)
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#113 (#new) Zig-Zag - le jeu de l'oie (Une fiction didactique à propos de la cartographie) [Snakes and Ladders] (1980, Raoul Ruiz), 251.76 points, 148 checks, 16 favourites (IMDb)
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Perception de Ambiguity (#74)
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#112 (#new) The Belly of an Architect (1987, Peter Greenaway), 251.99 points, 423 checks, 31 favourites (IMDb)
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#111 (+81, #192) La mort en direct [Death Watch] (1980, Bertrand Tavernier), 252.59 points, 212 checks, 13 favourites (IMDb)
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Ebbywebby (#97)
cinewest (#69)
sol (#21)
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Post by lynchs » August 7th, 2020, 2:06 pm

Carmel1379 wrote:
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lynchs wrote:
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WARNING!

Carmel is on the house! another WARNING, Carmel and MADONNA :woot:

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 2:15 pm

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#110 (+90, #200) Manderlay (2005, Lars von Trier), 253.72 points, 2076 checks, 157 favourites (IMDb)
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Gorro (#80)
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#109 (+572, #681) Noroît [Nor'west] (1976, Jacques Rivette), 253.86 points, 136 checks, 14 favourites (IMDb)
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#108 (-45, #63) Still Alice (2014, Glatzer & Westmoreland), 254.38 points, 4678 checks, 289 favourites (IMDb)
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#107 (#new) The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (2018, Coen Brothers), 254.39 points, 3672 checks, 276 favourites (IMDb)
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Perception de Ambiguity (#194)
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Gorro (#172)
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sol (#158)
ChrisReynolds (unranked>67)

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#106 (#new) Schwarzfahrer [Black Rider] (1993, Pepe Danquart), 256.19 points, 446 checks, 36 favourites (IMDb)
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Fergenaprido (#68)
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Post by cinewest » August 7th, 2020, 2:26 pm

Another of my top 15 has made it pretty much on the strength of one other high vote (true for all 5 that have made it).

Delta isn’t for the faint of heart, by any means, and in that sense similar to Schaste Moe (both make Rural Eastern Europe seem like a very scary place)

Unlike Loznitsa (who has struck gold on various occasions), I have yet to see anything else by Mundruczo that has come close to Delta, A Christlike tale, that has at once both brutal and amazing imagery.

As with Schaste Moe,I walked out of the theater as if I’d had the wind knocked out of me, and while this is not what I am necessarily looking for when I sit down for a movie, the power and artistry in Delta were impressive.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 7th, 2020, 2:55 pm

The highest film with only three votes is in this batch, as well as the film with the second least number of checks.

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#105 (+293, #398) 46-okunen no koi [Big Bang Love, Juvenile A] (2006, Takashi Miike), 258.21 points, 194 checks, 19 favourites (IMDb)
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beavis (#28)
Melvelet (#7)
Onderhond (#15)

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#104 (#new) The Wanderers (1979, Philip Kaufman), 258.54 points, 436 checks, 32 favourites (IMDb)
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Gordon_Gekko (#13)
Ebbywebby (#151)
zzzorf (#15)

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#103 (#new) The Flying Luna Clipper (1987, Ikko Ono), 258.97 points, 18 checks, 3 favourites (IMDb)
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Opio (#64)
rnilsson19 (#104)
TraverseTown (#2)
mathiasa (#5)

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#102 (-32, #70) Otets i syn [Father and Son] (2003, Aleksandr Sokurov), 259.31 points, 201 checks, 10 favourites (IMDb)
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beavis (#5)
Gershwin (#28)

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#101 (+97, #198) Jarhead (2005, Sam Mendes), 259.79 points, 10073 checks, 345 favourites (IMDb)
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Lonewolf2003 (#36)
Gorro (#266)
Lakigigar (#27)
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cinewest (#82)
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Post by OldAle1 » August 7th, 2020, 3:08 pm

From this batch of 50:

26 seen
6 picked, including one in my top 5

Improving!

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Post by cinewest » August 7th, 2020, 3:08 pm

I forgot to vote for Father & Son this time, which Probably accounts for its drop, as it would have been in the 20-30 range for me.
Very memorable cinematography capturing the life of a young man and his close relationship with his father, now on the eve of leaping further out into the world on his own.

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 7th, 2020, 3:47 pm

cinewest wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 2:26 pm
[...]I have yet to see anything else by Mundruczo that has come close to Delta, A Christlike tale, that has at once both brutal and amazing imagery.[...]
Unfortunately I feel the same way...no other movie by Mundruczo is half as good as Delta, to the extent that I think I'll need to rewatch it soon to check if I did not overestimate it

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Post by beavis » August 7th, 2020, 4:00 pm

I've seen 5 Mundruczo films so far and my clear favorite is Jupiter's Moon. Maybe twice as good as Delta ;) another very harsh but interesting one is Pleasant Days, but that one is hard to recommend. Jupiter's Moon has a more general appeal... but not in a way that makes it weak or less interesting, more people should seek if out, even if they disliked previous movies.

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 7th, 2020, 4:06 pm

beavis wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 4:00 pm
I've seen 5 Mundruczo films so far and my clear favorite is Jupiter's Moon. Maybe twice as good as Delta ;) another very harsh but interesting one is Pleasant Days, but that one is hard to recommend. Jupiter's Moon has a more general appeal... but not in a way that makes it weak or less interesting, more people should seek if out, even if they disliked previous movies.
Jupiter's Moon is the one I haven't watched of course ;-) I'll give it a go

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » August 7th, 2020, 4:55 pm

Onderhond wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 2:00 pm
cinewest wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 1:45 pm
Onderhond wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Man of Fire is probably there because of the audiovisual elements. I dare you to find something similar (even harder: in Hollywood).
High Production Values - everything else having to do with creative cinema = something made for a middle school boy, and very typical of expensive action/violence flicks made in Hollywood,
Huh, did you even watch the film? Excessive filters, wild camera work, hyper editing ... those are typically things Hollywood doesn't do, certainly not to that extent. I think it even gave Bay a headache.

But maybe I missed all the other Hollywood films doing that, recommends are VERY welcome.
I was actually wanting to rewatch this for that very reason. Although, I can't imagine it beating the 2004+ era of Michael Mann in terms of style. Miami Vice is his most popular among the more avant-garde fans. Blackhat is probably his most stylized work, but I liked Public Enemies the most because seeing that style in an early 20th century setting was so cool.

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Post by Onderhond » August 7th, 2020, 5:13 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 4:55 pm
I was actually wanting to rewatch this for that very reason. Although, I can't imagine it beating the 2004+ era of Michael Mann in terms of style. Miami Vice is his most popular among the more avant-garde fans. Blackhat is probably his most stylized work, but I liked Public Enemies the most because seeing that style in an early 20th century setting was so cool.
Mann definitely has a style, but pretty different from Tony Scott's, no? Miami was decent (3.0*), I really disliked Blackhat (1.0*) and Public Enemies (0.5*).

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