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World Cup, Season 4, Match 2H: India vs Cuba (Aug 16th)

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Post by joachimt » August 2nd, 2020, 1:01 pm

This is match 2H of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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IndiaVisaaranaiInterrogation2015Riteshlinklink
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We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by beavis » August 2nd, 2020, 9:07 pm

1. Nada - 7.5
2. Visaaranai - 7.5

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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 2nd, 2020, 9:11 pm

1. Nada
2. Visaaranai

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Post by joachimt » August 3rd, 2020, 6:18 pm

1. Visaaranai 8/10
2. Nada 6/10

Clear winner for me. Nada started out interesting, but soon it got a bit too annoying.
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Post by pitchorneirda » August 5th, 2020, 11:36 pm

1. Visaaranai 7/10
2. Nada 5/10

Unfortunately (?), I'll always prefer the well written mystery/scandal over the more cheesy, light-spirited movie: I liked the ironic tone of the Cuban movie, I liked how the main character (good actress!) transmits the anxiety caused by meaningless social interactions, I liked the daring movements of the camera and for once I found the contrast between the B&W background and the coloured elements interesting, but that's quite it, like joachimt I lost interest along the way, the content of some letters reminded me of what uninteresting people post on Facebook every single day i.e. some cheesy lines about happiness and about how you should live your life intensely and so on, yuk...

On the other hand, the Indian movie has its flaws but it kept me interested until the end, I loved the way it shows how violence originates in hierarchical (police but also caste) societies where everybody plots to gain power/money and/or fears to lose their social position, it's something I've always wanted to write an essay about. I love how the level of denounciation gains one level in the middle of the movie when the plot changes to be more political. I didn't quite grasp the need for romance (why the subplot with the lady that doesn't lead anywhere?) but otherwise it was quite a good mix between action and denounciation

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Post by Armoreska » August 6th, 2020, 12:51 pm

Visa 8-
Nada 7-

Visa is right up my alley atm. But the new age music choice was laughable.
Too bad for Cuba. I like it better than a few of my 1st-placed movies this round.
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Post by 72aicm » August 6th, 2020, 6:18 pm

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

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Post by Cocoa » August 7th, 2020, 7:22 pm

1. Nada 7/10
2. Visaaranai 2/10

I watched Nada a few months ago and it's not a very memorable film, but I remember liking it.

Visaaranai is terribly edited. There is a cut almost every few seconds of the film. It's laughably bad. The characters' actions in the film are too predictable and boring, the characters aren't interesting, and the story is generic.

The film's editing is basically this scene over and over again for most of the film:

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Post by zuma » August 7th, 2020, 9:33 pm

Cocoa I thought the same thing about the editing when I watched it last night. There was one edit, somewhere in the first third, where they cut for one of the main characters to say a single word which felt like a millisecond. There was also an amateur hour zoom out near the end that made me chuckle.

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 8th, 2020, 1:01 am

Cocoa wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 7:22 pm
1. Nada 7/10
2. Visaaranai 2/10

I watched Nada a few months ago and it's not a very memorable film, but I remember liking it.

Visaaranai is terribly edited. There is a cut almost every few seconds of the film. It's laughably bad. The characters' actions in the film are too predictable and boring, the characters aren't interesting, and the story is generic.

The film's editing is basically this scene over and over again for most of the film:
It wasn't THAT caricatural, otherwise it would have put me off as well.

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Post by zzzorf » August 8th, 2020, 2:07 pm

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

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Post by Smoover » August 8th, 2020, 4:48 pm

1. Visaaranai 7.5
2. Nada 6.0

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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 8th, 2020, 5:47 pm

Image Visaaranai: 6
Image Nada: 3

8.5 days left.

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Post by jvv » August 8th, 2020, 7:50 pm

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

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Post by zuma » August 9th, 2020, 3:05 am

01 - Visaaranai

02 - Nada

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Post by Gorro » August 9th, 2020, 6:35 am

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 9th, 2020, 8:39 am

pitchorneirda wrote:
August 8th, 2020, 1:01 am
Cocoa wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 7:22 pm
1. Nada 7/10
2. Visaaranai 2/10

I watched Nada a few months ago and it's not a very memorable film, but I remember liking it.

Visaaranai is terribly edited. There is a cut almost every few seconds of the film. It's laughably bad. The characters' actions in the film are too predictable and boring, the characters aren't interesting, and the story is generic.

The film's editing is basically this scene over and over again for most of the film:
It wasn't THAT caricatural, otherwise it would have put me off as well.
They might be somewhat predictable because the first half is based on a true story. Only the second half (after the drop off one of the 4 guys and the other 3 continue to the police station) is fictional. If I remember correctly, that fourth guy is also the one who wrote the screenplay (or co-wrote it or something).

We watched Visaaranai for our Film Night at work a few years ago, and the guy who picked it is really familiar with South Asian cinema (he's from Sri Lanka and also speaks Tamil), so he was able to give us a lot of context after we finished watching. I definitely loved the film when I saw it, but I think having him there to explain things I didn't understand really helped appreciate and enjoy it more. I rated it 8.4/10, so the Cuban film's going to have to be just as amazing to have a chance at beating it for me.

I don't remember bad editing, but that's also not something I generally notice in films.

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Post by Armoreska » August 9th, 2020, 9:44 am

First half happens around the world on a regular basis lol
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Post by Angel Glez » August 11th, 2020, 2:36 pm

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada +

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Post by klaus78 » August 11th, 2020, 2:49 pm

1. Visaaranai (India) 4/10
2. Nada (Cuba) 3/10
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Post by joachimt » August 11th, 2020, 8:06 pm

klaus78 wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 2:49 pm
1. Visaaranai (India) 4/10
2. Nada (Cuba) 3/10
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Post by hurluberlu » August 14th, 2020, 7:21 pm

1. Nada 7-
2. Visaaranai 5-
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Post by Armoreska » August 14th, 2020, 7:23 pm

Image Visaaranai: 11
Image Nada: 5

a couple days to go
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Post by Muellwind » August 14th, 2020, 10:36 pm

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

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Post by Nathan Treadway » August 15th, 2020, 4:50 pm

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

Pretty easy round to rank.. I didn't care for Nada at all.

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Post by Armoreska » August 15th, 2020, 8:30 pm

You cared nada for Nada
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Post by clemmetarey » August 15th, 2020, 10:51 pm

1. Nada (2001) 7/10
2. Visaaranai (2015) 6/10

Two solid picks to close this round.

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Post by zhangalan » August 16th, 2020, 4:20 am

1. Visaaranai
2. Nada

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Post by weirdboy » August 16th, 2020, 12:33 pm

1. Nada
2. Visaaranai


I really disliked Visaaranai. It felt so patronizing, like the director was deliberately exaggerating every single moment of the film to make sure you got the intended emotional impact.

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 16th, 2020, 7:50 pm

1. India
2. Cuba

I gave Interrogation an 8.4 and hit the fave button when I first saw it a few years ago. Since it's not even close this match, no rewatch necessary.

Nothing More was even less than that. Har har. The shifts in tone didn't work for me, nor the choice of b&w with splashes of colour. Nor anything, really. The gorgeous yet reticent mailman who loves rock music seemingly above all else suddenly becomes a veritable poet in his first and final letter? Beautiful sentiment, but it didn't ring true with the character for me. Too many quirky and intentionally irritating characters for my liking. It had it's moments, but it totally fell flat for me, with the farcical madcap antic scenes the definite lowpoints. Rating somewhere around a 6, maybe 5.

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Post by joachimt » August 16th, 2020, 8:03 pm

Wow, you even had 14 hours left, Fergy! :thumbsup:
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Post by filmbantha » August 17th, 2020, 7:07 am

This was a close round, I gave both films 6/10.

1. Visaaranai
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Post by edward5 » August 17th, 2020, 8:08 am

1. Nada
2. Visaaranai

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 17th, 2020, 8:39 am

joachimt wrote:
August 16th, 2020, 8:03 pm
Wow, you even had 14 hours left, Fergy! :thumbsup:
Haha, I know. It's because I'd already seen one of them, and I checked with films were showing on Mubi last night and realized neither one I was interested in was truly expiring (I have a copy of one, and the other remains in their library), so why not get the WC film over with ahead of time :D (I had been contemplating leaving it until this afternoon, though). Plus, it saves more time for me to get through Napoleon on Mubi tonight; at 5.5 hours it may just be the longest individual film (not mini-series) I've ever watched.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 17th, 2020, 11:03 am

It's 16-8 by my account.

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Post by joachimt » August 17th, 2020, 12:03 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 11:03 am
It's 16-8 by my account.
Correct.

Match is over. India wins.

Image Visaaranai: 16
Image Nada: 8

Congratulations to Ritesh. Also thanks to sacmersault for his pick and to the 24 people who voted this match.

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Post by joachimt » August 17th, 2020, 12:04 pm

Whoops, first graph is incorrect. Wait......
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Post by Armoreska » August 17th, 2020, 5:16 pm

joachimt wrote:
August 17th, 2020, 12:03 pm
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