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World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 23rd, 2020, 6:21 pm
by joachimt
This is match 2G of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
RussiaPisma myortvogo chelovekaDead Man's Letters1986Gorrolinklink
PortugalManoel dans l'île des merveillesManuel on the Island of Wonders1984Pgonzalezlinklink

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Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
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Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
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Voting Rules:
- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Aug 6th
Countdown till deadline

The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
- In case there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
iCM-list of all movies in this World Cup

List of all topics related to the World Cup including previous seasons

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 23rd, 2020, 6:23 pm
by joachimt
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 8/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 23rd, 2020, 6:41 pm
by Mario Gaborović
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 23rd, 2020, 7:01 pm
by 72aicm
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Seen both before the tourney started.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 23rd, 2020, 7:10 pm
by klaus78
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles (Portugal) 8/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka (Russia) 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 24th, 2020, 12:21 am
by zhangalan
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Russians can't beat a team led by Cristiano Rolando... Oh wait, it is Alexis Sanchez instead of Rolando.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 24th, 2020, 4:46 am
by Cocoa
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 6/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 5/10

Weak match for me. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka is barely memorable for me even though I watched it earlier this year while the other entry is mostly meh.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 24th, 2020, 4:50 am
by Traveller
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 24th, 2020, 7:47 am
by beavis
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka - 8
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles - 7.5

This could be a close one!

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 24th, 2020, 1:53 pm
by joachimt
beavis wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 7:47 am
This could be a close one!
So far it is:
Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 4
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 4

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 24th, 2020, 4:17 pm
by Armoreska
Pisma 7
Manoel 5

no chance of me voting for Portugal so far.
my all time score for Portugal
0-11
movie scores
4.5 4.5 5 5 5

Here are the long Portugues movies I like:
SpoilerShow
7
Reconversão
Aniki Bóbó
Diamantino
6
O Estranho Caso de Angélica
O Sangue

18 in all with shorts
39 more are rated from 2 to 5

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 28th, 2020, 8:07 pm
by bjornam
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Not the easiest match for Lopushansky’s atmospheric debut. Ruiz is too good.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 28th, 2020, 11:47 pm
by burneyfan
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles (Portugal)
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka (Russia)

Both great films.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 7:42 am
by Gorro
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 6:24 pm
by hurluberlu
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 8 (rewatch)
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 7+

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 7:14 pm
by joachimt
Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 7
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 6

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 2nd, 2020, 12:03 pm
by zzzorf
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka - 6/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles - 4/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 2nd, 2020, 12:08 pm
by Armoreska
Dang that's lower than all of my Portugal rankings. Now I don't feel so bad.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 2nd, 2020, 7:55 pm
by zuma
01 - Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

02 - Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 2nd, 2020, 8:04 pm
by Smoover
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 7/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 6.5/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 2nd, 2020, 8:06 pm
by joachimt
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Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 2nd, 2020, 10:57 pm
by Melvelet
My first WC participation since...a long time?

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 8-/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 7/10

Both very enjoyable. If only Manoel could have continued as strong as the first episode...

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 3rd, 2020, 6:20 am
by joachimt
Melvelet wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 10:57 pm
My first WC participation since...a long time?
I don't keep track of those stats, but at least this is your first time this season. Thanks for rejoining! :thumbsup:

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 4th, 2020, 8:34 am
by sacmersault
I really disliked both of these films. It was hard choosing which I disliked less.

1 - Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2 - Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 4th, 2020, 9:05 am
by Angel Glez
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 4th, 2020, 5:03 pm
by pitchorneirda
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 6+
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 4

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 4th, 2020, 5:05 pm
by Armoreska
10-10 dead heat

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 4th, 2020, 7:16 pm
by jvv
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 5th, 2020, 7:13 am
by Muellwind
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 5th, 2020, 11:43 pm
by pitchorneirda
Someone please come and save Raoul! Manoel dans l'île des merveilles is not his best, but I'd choose his mysterious (and sometimes esoteric) adventures any time over the Russian movie that's full of clichés.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 8:14 am
by joachimt
Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 12
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 10

Just over one day left. Still expect 3 or 4 more votes. Maybe more?

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 10:13 am
by Armoreska
Pgonzalez hasn't voted so another vote seems guaranteed.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 1:50 pm
by weirdboy
Almost forgot to vote!

1. Manoel
2. Letters

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 4:06 pm
by clemmetarey
1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka (1986) 7/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles (1984) 7/10

Very close and strong match.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 4:18 pm
by PGonzalez
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka


Thanks for the introduction to Lopushanskiy, Gorro!

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 6:30 pm
by cayado-coro
1.Portugal - Manuel on the Island of Wonders
2.Russia - Dead Man's Letters

Imitators of Tarkovsky go to hell!

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 6:46 pm
by Mario Gaborović
Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 13
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 13

Just 15 hours left. It's currently a tie.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 6:54 pm
by Nathan Treadway
1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 6:54 pm
by Nathan Treadway
Mario Gaborović wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 6:46 pm
Just 15 hours left. It's currently a tie.
Not any more. :P

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

Posted: August 6th, 2020, 7:40 pm
by filmbantha
...and back to a tie!

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka - 6/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles - 5/10

I really enjoyed the mystery aspect of the first episode of Manoel but my interest started to wane in the second episode. I can certainly see why others love it even though it didn't resonate with me.

Dead Man's Letter's is a striking post-apocalyptic film and a great pick for the WC, however, I much prefer Visitor to a museum by Lopushansky. Those who enjoyed Dead Man's Letters would do well to seek it out: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/posetitel+muzeya/

I love how Cayado-Coro references Tarkovsky. Lopushansky was Tarkovsky's apprentice throughout the filming of Stalker and this is very noticeable in Visitor to a Museum.

Thanks to both managers for their picks, interested to see how this match pans out!