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World Cup, Season 4, Match 2E: Georgia vs Ukraine (Jul 16th)

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Post by joachimt » July 2nd, 2020, 6:38 pm

This is match 2E of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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GeorgiaSimindis kundzuliCorn Island2014zzzorflinklink
UkraineDorogoy tsenoyThe Horse That Cried1957Angel Glezlinklink

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We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by zuma » July 2nd, 2020, 6:48 pm

01 - Corn Island

02 - The Horse That Cried

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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 2nd, 2020, 6:53 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy

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Post by beavis » July 2nd, 2020, 9:32 pm

1. Dorogoy tsenoy - 7,5
2. Simindis kundzuli - 7,5

Close one, but I still think Corn Island is clearly the lesser of the two because of its contrived symbolic ending. Can also be a bias from me because the writer is this Dutch guy and I don't trust my fellow countrymen to be able to create a work with an authentic Eastern European heart... must be a "product" made for western festival audiences right? At least that is how I felt a bit when I saw this movie in theaters, followed by a q&a with Roelof Jan Minneboo... but like I said, I'm also aware that bias clearly plays a bit of a role there...

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Post by Armoreska » July 2nd, 2020, 11:31 pm

Simindis kundzuli 7-
Dorogoy tsenoy 4
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Post by Smoover » July 4th, 2020, 8:29 am

1. Simindis kundzuli 8/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy 6/10

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Post by 72aicm » July 4th, 2020, 8:29 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy

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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 4th, 2020, 9:16 pm

Image Simindis kundzuli: 5
Image Dorogoy tsenoy: 1

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Post by Armoreska » July 5th, 2020, 7:17 am

Georgia got luck of the draw. But whoever gets Georgia next will have the luck of the QFs.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 5th, 2020, 7:24 am

Armoreska wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:17 am
Georgia got luck of the draw. But whoever gets Georgia next will have the luck of the QFs.
Tengiz Abuladze and Otar Iosseliani laugh at this.

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Post by joachimt » July 5th, 2020, 7:53 am

Armoreska wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:17 am
Georgia got luck of the draw. But whoever gets Georgia next will have the luck of the QFs.
I rated Corn Island 9/10. Doesn't feel like luck to me. It would have won any match this round if it's up to me.
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Post by zhangalan » July 5th, 2020, 9:05 am

Mario Gaborović wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:24 am
Armoreska wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:17 am
Georgia got luck of the draw. But whoever gets Georgia next will have the luck of the QFs.
Tengiz Abuladze and Otar Iosseliani laugh at this.
I agree.
Georgia still has a lot to offer.
And I don't think the manager has picked the best ones.

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Post by zhangalan » July 5th, 2020, 9:11 am

I'm interested in the cinematographer of Dorogoy tsenoy because somehow it reminds me of Parajanov's Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors.

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Post by hurluberlu » July 5th, 2020, 9:43 am

1. Dorogoy tsenoy 8
2. Simindis kundzuli 6+
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Post by Armoreska » July 5th, 2020, 2:07 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:24 am
Armoreska wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:17 am
Georgia got luck of the draw. But whoever gets Georgia next will have the luck of the QFs.
Tengiz Abuladze and Otar Iosseliani laugh at this.
Bring it on!
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Post by weirdboy » July 8th, 2020, 7:53 am

1. Simindis kundzuli AKA Corn Island (2014) - George Ovashvili [re-watch]
2. Dorogoy tsenoy AKA The Horse that Cried (1957) - Mark Donskoy

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Post by klaus78 » July 8th, 2020, 6:46 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli (Georgia) 8/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy (Ukraine) 6/10
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Post by Cocoa » July 8th, 2020, 11:34 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli 5/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy 5/10

Both films are bland. The Horse That Cried was a bigger mess of a film while Corn Island was more coherent, so Corn Island gets first even though I'm disappointed by the small amount of corn in the film. I was expecting more corn (u) I've seen more cornstalk next to the side of the road in my hometown.

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Post by joachimt » July 9th, 2020, 7:24 pm

Cocoa wrote:
July 8th, 2020, 11:34 pm
1. Simindis kundzuli 5/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy 5/10

Both films are bland. The Horse That Cried was a bigger mess of a film while Corn Island was more coherent, so Corn Island gets first even though I'm disappointed by the small amount of corn in the film. I was expecting more corn (u) I've seen more cornstalk next to the side of the road in my hometown.
Same order for me, but completely different experience. Two great movies.

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Post by zzzorf » July 10th, 2020, 11:57 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli 6/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy 6/10

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Post by zhangalan » July 12th, 2020, 3:24 am

1. Dorogoy tsenoy
2. Simindis kundzuli

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Post by cayado-coro » July 12th, 2020, 1:34 pm

1. Ukraine - The Horse That Cried
2. Georgia - Corn Island

The Horse That Cried is a masterpiece, deep, lyrical and beautifully shot. Can't believe it's losing the match.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » July 12th, 2020, 9:37 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy

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Post by sol » July 13th, 2020, 1:42 am

Given all the 'eh' feedback that Georgia's entry is getting, I wonder how Landmine Goes Click would have fared in the World Cup. That's my own choice for the best Georgian film that I have seen; far more psychological thriller than outright horror if anybody is wondering.
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Post by Angel Glez » July 13th, 2020, 9:18 am

cayado-coro wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 1:34 pm
1. Ukraine - The Horse That Cried
2. Georgia - Corn Island

The Horse That Cried is a masterpiece, deep, lyrical and beautifully shot. Can't believe it's losing the match.
I can't believe that Angel's team avanced to round 2. :lol:

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Post by Angel Glez » July 13th, 2020, 9:22 am

1. Dorogoy tsenoy
2. Simindis kundzuli

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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 13th, 2020, 11:35 am

Image Simindis kundzuli: 11
Image Dorogoy tsenoy: 5

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Post by clemmetarey » July 13th, 2020, 2:34 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli (2014) 6/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy (1957) 5/10

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Post by jvv » July 13th, 2020, 5:46 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy

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Post by burneyfan » July 13th, 2020, 6:40 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy

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Post by pitchorneirda » July 13th, 2020, 9:17 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli 7- (seen a long time ago but definitely better than its opponent)
2. Dorogoy tsenoy 5-

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Post by sacmersault » July 14th, 2020, 7:18 am

joachimt wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:53 am
Armoreska wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 7:17 am
Georgia got luck of the draw. But whoever gets Georgia next will have the luck of the QFs.
I rated Corn Island 9/10. Doesn't feel like luck to me. It would have won any match this round if it's up to me.
I agree with this. I had seen Corn Island and rated it 9, which I rarely do. I think it's one of the best films from the 2010s. I really liked the Ukrainian entry, but it was going to be really hard to be Corn Island.

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Post by Muellwind » July 14th, 2020, 7:43 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy

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Post by edward5 » July 15th, 2020, 2:05 am

1. Simindis kundzuli
2. Dorogoy tsenoy


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Post by kingink » July 16th, 2020, 5:02 pm

1. Simindis kundzuli 8/10
2. Dorogoy tsenoy 7/10 Too bad... Until the 50th minute of the film I loved it and thought it could take the win from Corn Island. But then it just lost me. I think it went from a folklorish fairytale with beautiful cinematography to a chaotic melodrama. My mind was starting to drift away... Was it my fault or others felt the same way? But I am really a sucker for this kind of cinematography so I gave it a 7.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 16th, 2020, 7:07 pm

Image Simindis kundzuli: 20
Image Dorogoy tsenoy: 5

15 hours left.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 17th, 2020, 9:55 am

1. Georgia
2. Ukraine

The Horse That Cried
didn't connect with me at all. I know it's based on a book/folklore, but it came across as a story of sympathetic yet stupid people making stupid decisions with little to redeem them. And yeah, that shift in tone/focus halfway through was weird. It definitely suffers from a poor print and poor subtitles, but I'm not sure if a restoration would improve my opinion on this. 6/10, leaning toward a 5 on this.

Corn Island had an unfair advantage in that it's stunningly beautiful to look at, and it's really an unfair comparison of modern technology versus older tech. Admittedly, I have a hard time distinguishing between "pretty" cinematography and "technically competent" cinematography, but I adored the setting and the way it was filmed. The story was good too, and I consider this to be slow cinema, which I don't normally go for, but I was engaged the whole time. I'm not totally in love with the ending, but everything else leading up to it was so good, and I'm really interested now in finding out how this film was made. I'm finally coming around to Georgian cinema, and I want more. 8/10.
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In Corn Island, what was the significance of the item the grandfather found at the beginning? Was it just confirmation that someone had been there the year before, similar to the next guy finding the doll at the end? What even was that object?

I also loved that you go into this thinking it's a Georgian film, and then there's no dialogue for 20 minutes until the first words are exchanged between the two leads, and it's in Abkhaz, throwing asunder all your previous thoughts on the film. I wonder if it it was filmed on the actual river where the current border/line of control is. The old man is actually Turkish, and the young girl is Georgian I think, which kind of explains why so little is spoken because they probably wouldn't sound like native speakers if they spoke too much. I wonder if the other Abkhaz characters in the film were played by native speakers or not (I kind of think not given the situation there).

And I liked the motif (if that's the right word?) of (un)known danger and terror being just around the corner. It gave a sinister twist to the Pocahontas song "Just around the river bend" tehe

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Post by joachimt » July 17th, 2020, 10:09 am

Deadline is over. Final score:

Image Simindis kundzuli: 21
Image Dorogoy tsenoy: 5

Georgia wins. Congratulations to zzzorf. Also thanks to Angel Glez for his pick and to the 26 people who voted this match.

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Post by Armoreska » July 17th, 2020, 11:46 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
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poor subtitles
I'm the only one here to have watched it without, and my rating is still the lowest.
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