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#721

Post by Lakigigar » July 6th, 2020, 12:43 am

I'm curious how Respire did.

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Post by outdoorcats » July 6th, 2020, 2:34 am

+1 for Krisha; I'm also curious about Shults' other films It Comes at Night and Waves.

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Post by cinewest » July 6th, 2020, 2:46 am

outdoorcats wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 2:34 am
+1 for Krisha; I'm also curious about Shults' other films It Comes at Night and Waves.
I really want to see Waves. I think he is one of the more talented young american writer/directors

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#724

Post by Lakigigar » July 6th, 2020, 3:35 am

Okay Scott Pilgrim VS Thé World is no Longer thé worst movie of the list. That "honour" goes to Mother. And when I thought they couldnt make a worse movie than Requiem for A Dream Aronofsky proves he can. First 1/10 in this list.

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Post by mightysparks » July 6th, 2020, 3:41 am

Lakigigar wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 3:35 am
Okay Scott Pilgrim VS Thé World is no Longer thé worst movie of the list. That "honour" goes to Mother. And when I thought they couldnt make a worse movie than Requiem for A Dream Aronofsky proves he can. First 1/10 in this list.
Still Scott Pilgrim for me :P I think it's the only 2/10 that came up at all. I thought Mother was ok (6/10) but wasted potential (especially by casting the worst actress in existence).
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Post by nimimerkillinen » July 6th, 2020, 8:10 am

zzzorf wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:38 am
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Lakigigar wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:20 am
mightysparks wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:07 am


That’s why I make my cut-off ‘when I stop caring too much about the films’ rather than a specific number or I’d feel too disappointed when stuff didn’t make it in.
It's around 100 for me. I feel like a top 100 is perfect
I always make my cutoff the length of the final list. Basically the way I see it is we are making a top 250 so I give 250 suggestions
id prefer it to be top-500 tho

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#727

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 6th, 2020, 9:04 am

Here's what everyone been waiting for so they can check the ranking of their not-mentioned favorites:

LINKS TO LISTS

:ICM: Top 250
:ICM: Complete List

Btw, I adjusted the titles of the list, cause the 10s isn't the current decade anymore ;)

Stats will follow a bit later.

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Post by beavis » July 6th, 2020, 9:24 am

thanks Lonewolf!

Seen 224/250

and my 5 highest unseen are:
9 Jagten
66 Exit Through the Gift Shop
73 Uncut Gems
85 Take Shelter
94 Margaret

Uncut Gems is on my list for this year somewhere and I think Margaret is also a must watch

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Post by Onderhond » July 6th, 2020, 9:41 am

Seen: 161/250 (64%)
Highest unchecked: A torinói ló (#5)
Number of favorites: 24/161 (15%)
Highest favorite: The Grand Budapest Hotel (#2)
Number of dislikes: 24/161 (15%)
Highest dislike: Jodaeiye Nader az Simin (#1)
Unofficial films: 8/250 (3%)

Me vs the toplist:
01 / Top 010 (#71)
02 / Top 025 (#114)
03 / Top 050 (#19)
07 / Top 100 (#74, #113, #47, #111)
24 / Top 250

The toplist vs me:
00 / Top 010
02 / Top 025
06 / Top 050
12 / Top 100
24 / Top 259

Unofficial films: 8/250 (3%) -> that is an insanely high number, considering how tough it is for recent films to enter official lists.
I'm just going to think of this list as "what ICMf think of the critic favorites of the 2010s" and spare me some disbelief. The positive way to look at this list is that there may be still be some very cool, unexplored classics out there.
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Post by Teproc » July 6th, 2020, 9:47 am

Seen: 151/250
Highest unchecked: The Tree of Life (#3)
Highest I voted for: Jodaeiye Nader az Simin (#1, my #69)
Position of my #1: #2 (The Grand Budapest Hotel)
Highest dislike: #4 (Drive)
Numbers of favorites: 24
Number of dislikes: 4
My highest vote that didn't make the list: #253 Timbuktu (my #7)
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Post by mightysparks » July 6th, 2020, 10:14 am

beavis wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 9:24 am
thanks Lonewolf!

Seen 224/250

and my 5 highest unseen are:
9 Jagten
66 Exit Through the Gift Shop
73 Uncut Gems
85 Take Shelter
94 Margaret

Uncut Gems is on my list for this year somewhere and I think Margaret is also a must watch
3 of them are favourites of mine and the other two are good, but I don't think we have that much in common :P

Seen: 174/250
Highest unchecked: El abrazo de la serpiente (#20)
Highest I voted for: Jodaeiye Nader az Simin (#1)
Position of my #1: far far away (You're Next)
Highest dislike: #3 (Tree of Life)
Numbers of favorites: 14
Number of dislikes: 2

Also I somehow forgot to take Onderhond's cool little script to see list stats when I got my computer and I forgot where he posted someone help plz
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Post by Onderhond » July 6th, 2020, 10:24 am

mightysparks wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 10:14 am
Also I somehow forgot to take Onderhond's cool little script to see list stats when I got my computer and I forgot where he posted someone help plz
Fixed a couple of things and added it here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=997&p=650340#p650340

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Post by nimimerkillinen » July 6th, 2020, 10:25 am

and thanks Lonewolf! always exciting list

seen 200/250
highest unseen:
The Favourite
It's Such a Beautiful Day
Long Day's Journey Into Night
Burning
Mysteries of Lisbon

All movies 1039/4529

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Post by mightysparks » July 6th, 2020, 10:27 am

Onderhond wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 10:24 am
mightysparks wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 10:14 am
Also I somehow forgot to take Onderhond's cool little script to see list stats when I got my computer and I forgot where he posted someone help plz
Fixed a couple of things and added it here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=997&p=650340#p650340
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Post by Lammetje » July 6th, 2020, 10:32 am

mightysparks wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 3:41 am
Lakigigar wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 3:35 am
Okay Scott Pilgrim VS Thé World is no Longer thé worst movie of the list. That "honour" goes to Mother. And when I thought they couldnt make a worse movie than Requiem for A Dream Aronofsky proves he can. First 1/10 in this list.
Still Scott Pilgrim for me :P I think it's the only 2/10 that came up at all. I thought Mother was ok (6/10) but wasted potential (especially by casting the worst actress in existence).
No, you're the worst actress in existence! :'( But I'm glad you voted for Like Crazy anyway. :)
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July 6th, 2020, 9:04 am
Here's what everyone been waiting for so they can check the ranking of their not-mentioned favorites:

LINKS TO LISTS

:ICM: Top 250
:ICM: Complete List

Btw, I adjusted the titles of the list, cause the 10s isn't the current decade anymore ;)

Stats will follow a bit later.
Thanks!

I've seen only 51/250. It turns out my #1 (Omoide no Mânî) ended up in 362nd place. :(
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Post by brokenface » July 6th, 2020, 10:38 am

I didn't notice before how dominant 2011 is at the top - 5 of the top 6!

I've seen 238/250. Exactly same as previous version, although some of the 12 unwatched have changed.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 6th, 2020, 11:04 am

Movies seen: 105/250 (42%)
Movies I voted for: will take too long to figure out without an imdb list. My guess is around 70 out of the 450 films in my list.
Highest movie unseen: #3 The Tree of Life
Highest favourite: #1 Jodaeiye Nader az Simin [A Separation]
Highest dislike: #156 Final Cut: Hölgyeim és uraim [Final Cut: Ladies and Gentlemen]
Highest (non-favourite) movie I voted for: #2 The Grand Budapest Hotel
Highest (non-dislike) movie seen I didn't vote for: #17 Holy Motors
Position of my #1: #13 Inception
My highest vote that didn't make the list: #359 Jusqu'à la garde [Custody] (my #3)

Lonewolf, the URLs in the descriptions of the two lists need to be updated too since you changed the titles.

And here's my animated film breakdown for Zuma :D (based on the films tagged as "animation" in the beta-version). I included 90 animated features and shorts in my list.
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034 Toy Story 3 - voted
042 It's Such a Beautiful Day [feature] - voted
075 Inside Out - voted
090 Kaguyahime no monogatari - voted
117 Isle of Dogs - voted

133 Kaze tachinu - unseen
145 Coco - voted
148 World of Tomorrow - voted
176 Kimi no na wa. - voted

182 Anomalisa - unseen
184 Song of the Sea - voted
200 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - voted
221 Ernest et Célestine - voted
- it's always near the bottom of my list because I can't bring myself to remove it, even though it was a tad disappointing. Will rewatch it (in original French dub, as I saw the English one the first time)
260 Prezít svuj zivot (teorie a praxe) - unseen
269 Zootopia - voted
273 Tower - unseen
298 La tortue rouge - voted
358 The Lego Movie - voted

362 Omoide no Mânî - unseen
368 Ookami kodomo no Ame to Yuki - voted
381 L'illusionniste - unseen
390 Koe no katachi - unseen
391 O Menino e o Mundo - voted
392 Moana - voted
393 Over the Garden Wall - voted

394 La Casa Lobo - unseen
401 Frozen - voted
403 Wreck-It Ralph - voted

406 Kono sekai no katasumi ni - unseen
412 Loving Vincent - unseen
428 It's Such a Beautiful Day [short] - voted
435 Yoru wa mijikashi aruke yo otome - unseen
475 How to Train Your Dragon - voted
482 The Congress - unseen
502 Incredibles 2 - voted
523 Watashi ga motenai no wa dô kangaetemo omaero ga warui! - unseen
528 Yojôhan shinwa taikei - unseen
552 Shawn the Sheep Movie - did not vote
581 Paddington 2 - did not vote
(but did last year)
593 Day & Night - voted
610 Tangled - voted

615 The Adventures of Tintin - did not vote
640 Finding Dory - voted
669 Dock Ellis & the LSD No-No - did not vote
671 Paperman - voted
712 J'ai perdu mon corps - unseen
719 Psiconautas, los niños olvidados - unseen
725 Kubo and the Two Strings - voted
726 White Ash - unseen
738 Ma vie de Courgette - unseen

There are plenty of other films near the top of my list that didn't come close to the Top 700, mostly shorts and recent features. Seems that my taste in animated films is very in line with the forum's taste, which I think doesn't happen for most genres.

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Post by Lammetje » July 6th, 2020, 11:20 am

You should watch Omoide no Mânî and Kaze tachinu, Fergie!
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Post by Obgeoff » July 6th, 2020, 11:49 am

brokenface wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 10:38 am
I didn't notice before how dominant 2011 is at the top - 5 of the top 6!
Particularly impressive given that it has just over its expected share of overall - 26 films out 250.

Year - #films - #films I've seen
2010 - 25 - 25
2011 - 26 - 21
2012 - 34 - 20
2013 - 33 - 14
2014 - 34 - 13
2015 - 23 - 10
2016 - 18 - 10
2017 - 23 - 12
2018 - 18 - 7
2019 - 16 - 15

My personal stats
Movies seen: 134/250 (54%)
Highest movie unseen: #9 Jagten
Highest favourite: #2 The Grand Budapest Hotel
Highest dislike: #47 Interstellar
Highest (non-favourite) movie I voted for: #1 A Separation
Highest (non-dislike) movie seen I didn't vote for: #10 Under the Skin
Position of my #1: #15 Black Swan
My highest vote that didn't make the list: #735 Coriolanus (my #9)

Middle to end of the decade obvious blind spot for me.
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Post by AB537 » July 6th, 2020, 12:55 pm

Seen: 198/250
Highest unchecked: Bir Zamanlar Anadolu'da - Once Upon a Time in Anatolia (#51)
Highest I voted for: Jodaeiye Nader az Simin - A Separation (#1, my #21)
Position of my #1: #11 (Gisaengchung - Parasite)
Number of favourites: 36

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Post by Onderhond » July 6th, 2020, 12:57 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 11:04 am
Highest (non-favourite) movie I voted for: #2 The Grand Budapest Hotel
Why vote for non-favorite movies :mw_confused:

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Post by mightysparks » July 6th, 2020, 12:58 pm

Onderhond wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:57 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 11:04 am
Highest (non-favourite) movie I voted for: #2 The Grand Budapest Hotel
Why vote for non-favorite movies :mw_confused:
Maybe ferg means iCM favourite rather than 'favourite'. I only favourite stuff on iCM at 8/10 or higher, but I include 7.5's in my list.
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Post by Teproc » July 6th, 2020, 1:00 pm

Same here (with different numbers but w/e), "favorites" on ICM is a much smaller list than what I'm willing to vote for.

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Post by OldAle1 » July 6th, 2020, 1:21 pm

Seen: 187/250
Highest ranked unseen: #5 A torinói ló / The Turin Horse
Highest favorite: #1 Jodaeiye Nader az Simin / A Separation
Highest dislike: #13 Inception
Position of my #1: #39 La La Land (down 16 from last year)
Highest film I didn't vote for: #4 Drive
Highest ranked film on my list that didn't make it: #4 Girl Walk: All Day

Would have liked to have gotten to the Tarr film before the poll, but having seen Sátántangó again earlier this year I've maybe got my Tarr quota for a while. :lol: I love him, but apart from the early more neo-realist films I can't really watch his work all that often, too much even for someone who often likes "heavy" films. I suspect I'll get to it before this poll is run again. And also get to a lot more 2019 films of course, very weak there.

As far as the whole "favorites" issue goes - my favorites are simply those I rated 9 or 10 on IMDb, it's the number I used as a cutoff when I joined icheckmovies. Since my rating average is much higher than most people it makes sense; most years all of my top 20 will be 10s or 9s, and sometimes an 8 wouldn't even make my top 50 for a given year. So I start from 9s and 10s for most lists and go from there - sometimes I do have 8s, and part of that is my own distrust in my ratings "I should have given that a 9" that sort of thing, but I don't ever re-rate anything without re-seeing it, so it's inevitable that stuff like this will happen, and similarly sometimes I feel like a 9 isn't deserving and I leave it off. With the most recent decade this isn't the case so much as I remember most of these films pretty well, but I still have some 8s in the mix, and will until I hit 250 at which point I'll likely start to drop some. 250 to me is enough for a single decade and like someone else said above, I don't want to put more films on my list than the finished one has.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 6th, 2020, 1:35 pm

mightysparks wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:58 pm
Onderhond wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 12:57 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 11:04 am
Highest (non-favourite) movie I voted for: #2 The Grand Budapest Hotel
Why vote for non-favorite movies :mw_confused:
Maybe ferg means iCM favourite rather than 'favourite'. I only favourite stuff on iCM at 8/10 or higher, but I include 7.5's in my list.
Yes, it refers to favourites on icm. Early on I got into the habit of being rather restrictive with the favourite button, only marking anything scored 8.6/10 or higher as a favourite. Then, after I started using Criticker, I decided to add 8.4s as well, as that was where my top tier was. Over time, as I've watched more films (especially ones I've rated poorly), my top tier on Criticker has actually included 8.2s now as well, but I don't feel like marking those as favourite on icm yet. It's rare for me to have a favourite on a first-time watch; nowadays I only hit that button upon a second or third time viewing a film. As such, only 5% of my views are marked as favourites on icm, but there are many more that I want to support in polls like this, similar to mighty and Teproc. It's probably not important enough to include in my summary stats for each poll, but I just copy my template each time.

For polls, right now, anything 7.8 or above will be included. It used to be 7.6 but I've started culling a lot of the lower ranked 7.6s over the past two years, and will probably start doing that to 7.8s next year as well as my lists get too long. Right now 42% (1334) of all the feature-length films (3209) I've rated are either 7.4, 7.6, or 7.8 (my three most common ratings); I only have 6% (196) rated 8.4 or higher. So there are a lot of films that I feel are on the cusp of being a favourite that I want to support in polls like this.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » July 6th, 2020, 2:02 pm

Seen: 160/250
Highest ranked unseen: #1 A Separation (yeah I know...I'm sure it's good, it simply hasn't yet leapt out at me as must-watch :shrug: )
Highest favorite: #2 The Grand Budapest Hotel (it's #15 on my list)
Highest dislike: #3 The Tree of Life (it seems to be just Malick's two '70s films that have really grabbed me much)
Position of my #1: #19 Boyhood
Highest film I didn't vote for: #1 A Separation (simply because, as noted above, I haven't seen it. Otherwise, The Tree of Life at #3 is the highest film that I didn't vote for, that I've actually seen)
Highest ranked film on my list that didn't make it: High Life (2018, Claire Denis) - ranked #25 on my list.


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Post by Lakigigar » July 6th, 2020, 2:27 pm

Seen: 106/250
Highest ranked unseen: #5 A torinói ló / The Turin Horse
Highest favorite: #1 Jodaeiye Nader az Simin / A Separation
Highest dislike: #13 Inception
Position of my #1: #135 Kreuzweg (up 9 from last year)
Highest film I didn't vote for: #3 The Tree of Life
Highest ranked film on my list that didn't make it: #2 Respire

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Post by outdoorcats » July 6th, 2020, 3:21 pm

Copying this format from others:

Seen: 150/250
Complete list seen: 590/4529
Highest unchecked: The Grand Budapest Hotel (#2)
Highest I voted for: A Separation (#1, my #182)
Position of my #1: #16 (The Master)
Highest dislike: #71 (Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri)
My highest vote that didn't make the list: Girlhood (#327, my #5)

Some films I was curious about:

Krisha was all the way down at #416. Waves surprisingly is not far behind at #494 despite being a new release, though. It Comes at Night ranks at #652...oof!

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Mohamed Diab's Clash ranked at #574. Interesting that it was one of the most universally acclaimed films to screen at Cannes the past decade, but it never seemed to get proper distribution or promotion. I only tracked it down specifically because of the Cannes press, otherwise I never would have heard of it. It's a shame because if it were more widely known it would definitely be popular among genre-loving cinephiles (it's arguably one of the most intense thrillers of the decade).

Hereditary at #258, just outside the list. I would have expected it to rank higher than Midsommar as the generally more popular film with critics, but I like that the forum goes its own way (even though I prefer Hereditary between the two).

Rafiki is down at #1704. I thought it had more fans than that. :shrug:
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Post by mightysparks » July 6th, 2020, 3:26 pm

I liked Krisha a lot, but not enough to be a favourite. I didn’t really like It Comes at Night. Hereditary >>> Midsommar.
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Post by OldAle1 » July 6th, 2020, 3:31 pm

I've only seen Waves from Shults but liked it an awful lot, especially the acting - there's something about the kinds of performances he gets that just seems different from anything else out there. Really should prioritize seeing something else by him.

I saw Clash at the Wisconsin Film Fest, probably 2017 and wasn't really a fan - here's what I wrote then:

A film about the riots and violence in Egypt in 2013 after the ousting of the Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohamed Morsi from the Presidency, this takes place entirely inside a police van and is a near-real-time depiction of the struggles within the country between Islamists, non-Islamists, and not-partisan westerners (an American-Egyptian journalist and his cameraman) within a small confined space. It's an interesting idea and I guess pretty well done, but I felt that I needed more knowledge of the actual politics of the situation to better understand it, and it also just got to be too much of the same thing. I'm not at all claustrophobic (closer to the opposite actually) but being within the confines of this small space with a dozen people screaming at each other for nearly 2 hours was just too much. The only film I was really close to disliking from this fest

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Post by Traveller » July 6th, 2020, 3:34 pm

Thanks for hosting, Lonewolf.

At 220/250, with #66 Exit Through the Gift Shop the highest unseen entry for me.
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Post by blocho » July 6th, 2020, 4:17 pm

Has anyone noticed how heavily the list is slanted toward the first half of the decade? The top ten are all from the first half, including five movies from 2011 alone. Twenty of the top 25 are from the first half, as are 37 of the top 50.

I think there's a very simple reason for this slant -- there's a lag effect. While some people watch new releases in great quantities, others (like myself) are in no rush. For example, I've seen 401 movies from the first half of the decade but only 261 movies from the second half. I expect if we run this poll again in five years time, the imbalance will corrected.

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Post by cinewest » July 6th, 2020, 4:27 pm

2011 is a beastly year, especially toward the top, no matter which year you compare it to, or when. Eight of my own top 18 were from 2011.

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Post by cinephage » July 6th, 2020, 4:28 pm

Seen 219/250

and my 5 highest unseen are:
20 El abrazo de la serpiente
80 The Forbidden Room
84 Kaili Blues
97 Twin Peaks
103 Nostalgia de la luz

My #1 :
43 Roma

My Highest vote that didn't make it :
#2 L'Apollonide (Souvenirs de la maison close) by Bertrand Bonello (It's ranked #251... Argh !!!)

The highest dislike :
#3 The Tree of Life

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Post by OldAle1 » July 6th, 2020, 4:33 pm

My own top 10 are evenly split between decade halves - I'm not in either category that you mention, exactly. I do watch most new movies when they are new - most in the cinema if that's possible, or in January-February for the yearly polls, which I've been participating in here and on IMDb for probably the whole of the last decade. But I don't watch that many compared to a lot of people - I've watched less from the whole decade than Onderhond or some others have seen from just a couple of years. So I think it's a more complex equation - certainly there's going to be some inevitable catching up for almost everybody - lots of 2019 films that might make many of our lists just aren't available yet, so that alone will tilt a poll of just 10 years a bit. And I suspect that many people once establishing some favorites early on in the decade might be more reluctant to demote them in favor of newer films -- something that is at work in a lot of critic's lists I'm sure, and one reason why it's so hard for newer films to make a dent in the higher reaches of TSPDT.

It's interesting to think about in any case and frankly I'm surprised that the whole top 10 is all from the first half of the decade, I wouldn't have guessed the difference would be that stark.

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Post by Onderhond » July 6th, 2020, 4:38 pm

I also suffer from the lag effect, but mostly because it still takes ages (and often some fansub power) for Asian films to reach the West.

My confident take on 2018 and onwards will probably come in 2-3 years time.

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Post by Lakigigar » July 6th, 2020, 4:53 pm

cinewest wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 4:27 pm
2011 is a beastly year, especially toward the top, no matter which year you compare it to, or when. Eight of my own top 18 were from 2011.
Imo worst year of the decade

1. Jodaeiye Nader Az Simin - 9/10
2. Drive - 9/10
3. The Descendants - 8/10
4. Intouchables - 8/10
5. Himizu - 8/10
6. Le gamin au vélo - 8/10
7. You're Next - 8/10
8. Another Earth - 8/10
9. Melancholia - 8/10
10. United - 7/10

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Post by Onderhond » July 6th, 2020, 4:55 pm

2011 was a superb year for Taiwanese cinema. We'll all find out about that 40 years from now, when we've finally said goodbye to exploring the Taiwanese New Wave.

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Post by OldAle1 » July 6th, 2020, 5:00 pm

Onderhond wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 4:55 pm
2011 was a superb year for Taiwanese cinema. We'll all find out about that 40 years from now, when we've finally said goodbye to exploring the Taiwanese New Wave.
What are your top recs apart from Honey PuPu?

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Post by Onderhond » July 6th, 2020, 5:19 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
July 6th, 2020, 5:00 pm
What are your top recs apart from Honey PuPu?
Blowfish (a more traditional, Japanese-style drama)
Starry, Starry Night (a more contemporary fantasy/drama)

Chi Y Lee & Tom Lin are two names to remember.

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