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Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Films of the 2010s; 2020 edition; Results

#161

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 9:19 am

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#149 (31 #180) Beasts of the Southern Wild (Benh Zeitlin, 2012) 604.59 points
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#162

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 9:34 am

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#148 (-51 #97) World of Tomorrow (Don Hertzfeldt, 2015) 608.45 points
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#163

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 9:50 am

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#147 ( #147) Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (J.J. Abrams, 2015) 615.49 points
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#164

Post by Lakigigar » July 3rd, 2020, 9:57 am

Onderhond wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 6:36 am
TraverseTown wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:19 am
I feel like Shoplifters was really popular in Western film circles for a hot minute, then South Korea came in with the one-two punch of Burning & Parasite and knocked it off its pedestal.
The hype around both films (Shoplifters/Parasite) is pretty baffling. Neither felt very different from what's been out there for years. Shoplifters is a nice but somewhat inconspicuous drama, Parasite a decent thriller with a few predictable twists. And neither seem to be inspiring others to take a closer look at contemporary Japanese/Korean cinema.
I disagree. They inspire me to watch more Asian stuff

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#165

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:05 am

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#146 (-50 #96) Short Term 12 (Destin Daniel Cretton, 2013) 616.89 points
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#166

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:13 am

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July 3rd, 2020, 1:48 am

#179 (390 #569) Risttuules [In the Crosswind] (Martti Helde, 2014) 532.71 points
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This is the first movie I never even heard about before making this list. Was it a WC movie or something?

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#167

Post by Fergenaprido » July 3rd, 2020, 10:18 am

outdoorcats wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 2:32 am
Surprised The Hobbit has so many fans! As a big fan of the book who also loved Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy, it was maybe the biggest theatrical disappointment I've experienced. I started watching the film with such high energy, it was something I had spent years waiting for, and just spent the next three hours slowly deflating. I guess that's how some Star Wars fans felt. Expectations versus reality and all.

In the Crosswind is the first title I haven't heard of, looks heavy.
I thought the first Hobbit film was great, but it was diminishing returns after that. I think a lot of people felt the same (even though I still went to see all three in theatres).

In the Crosswind was a recent WC film from Estonia.

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#168

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:19 am

brokenface wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 7:11 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 3:05 pm
cinewest wrote:
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Wow, another very good one from my top 25 in Die andere Heimat, no doubt also under seen and in need of greater discovery.
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I've seen the first Heimat series and loved it. Do I need to see the other series before watching Die andere Heimat?
You don't need to, as cinephage said. However i would highly highly recommend Heimat II. It is a big time investment but worth it. III and Fragments are okay but not quite on same level as first two series. The prequel was a v good return
With Heimat II I'm waiting for an blu ray release. I think I read they were restoring that one also.

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#169

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:20 am

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#145 (-2 #143) Coco (Adrian Molina, Lee Unkrich, 2017) 617.14 points
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#170

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:24 am

This list is also again confronting about how fast time moves. Lot of movies from '14 '15, '16 I feel that were released just awhile ago.

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#171

Post by prodigalgodson » July 3rd, 2020, 10:33 am

Onderhond wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 6:36 am
TraverseTown wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:19 am
I feel like Shoplifters was really popular in Western film circles for a hot minute, then South Korea came in with the one-two punch of Burning & Parasite and knocked it off its pedestal.
The hype around both films (Shoplifters/Parasite) is pretty baffling. Neither felt very different from what's been out there for years. Shoplifters is a nice but somewhat inconspicuous drama, Parasite a decent thriller with a few predictable twists. And neither seem to be inspiring others to take a closer look at contemporary Japanese/Korean cinema.
Nah, Parasite's a masterpiece of direction and editing, I've never seen anything else like it, shit flows and shimmers. I think much of the more mainstream popularity of both all of these, aside from watching world class filmmakers operating at the height of their craft (well, the less I say about Burning the better), is the extent to which they capture the socioeconomic zeitgeist that's been picking up steam at least in the US for the last decade.
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#172

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:35 am

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#144 (-55 #89) Soshite chichi ni naru [Like Father, Like Son] (Hirokazu Koreeda, 2013) 618.89 points
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#173

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:37 am

Lakigigar wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:23 am
TraverseTown wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:19 am
I feel like Shoplifters was really popular in Western film circles for a hot minute, then South Korea came in with the one-two punch of Burning & Parasite and knocked it off its pedestal.
It's a huge drop for Shoplifters, indeed. I started watching it, but I stopped it rather quickly, because it felt like it was nothing for me. I think what is missing in Koreeda's movie is some thrilling aspect. But maybe i wasn't just in the mood. I will definitely watch it at some point, as most of the filmography of Koreeda, but the only one i really liked was Soshite chichi ni naru. The others just can't to seem make an impact on me. I don't know what i miss in his movies, but i feel like there is still potential, so i'm not giving up on Koreeda. I still need to explore Japanese cinema, but so far i haven't found that one gem that deserves a 10/10 unfortunately. Japanese cinema is a bit too weird for me, i think. Sono might have that 10/10 maybe. Or some other director / movie, but i still only have seen like 20 Japanese movies.

I'm much more a fan of South Korean cinema. Parasite was great. I still have to see Burning, but I don't think it's something for me. Too poetic / slow and lack of a thrilling aspect, i assume. But they're great in thrillers or revenge movies, and South-Korea has been a success for me, so far. I'm not really into Chang Don Lee, Hong-san Soo or Chan-Wook Park's movies, but I still really like South-Korean cinema, from what i've seen. I'm a big fan of Ki-Duk Kim. He has that kind of magic that makes his movies awesome.
Koreeda's movies are indeed mostly subtle family drama's, so might not be your thing completely. Going on your reactions in this topic. But Japan like Korea also has always had a very strong big genre scene also, so I'm sure you can find something that fits your taste for more exciting thrilling movies. I think you will like Sono. Maybe you will like Takashi Miike movies also, I would recom 13 Assasins or last years First Love for starts from him. Other one you migh like is Kokuhaku (2010)

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#174

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 10:50 am

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#143 (-32 #111) The Look of Silence (Joshua Oppenheimer, 2014) 620.56 points
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#175

Post by zzzorf » July 3rd, 2020, 10:53 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 10:13 am
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 1:48 am

#179 (390 #569) Risttuules [In the Crosswind] (Martti Helde, 2014) 532.71 points
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This is the first movie I never even heard about before making this list. Was it a WC movie or something?
Correct. It was a first round entry for Estonia.

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#176

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 11:05 am

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#142 (-50 #92) Leviathan (Lucien Castaing-Taylor, Verena Paravel, 2012) 627.6 points
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#177

Post by OldAle1 » July 3rd, 2020, 11:18 am

outdoorcats wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 2:32 am
Very happy to see Barbara cracking the top 250.

Surprised The Hobbit has so many fans! As a big fan of the book who also loved Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy, it was maybe the biggest theatrical disappointment I've experienced. I started watching the film with such high energy, it was something I had spent years waiting for, and just spent the next three hours slowly deflating. I guess that's how some Star Wars fans felt. Expectations versus reality and all.

In the Crosswind is the first title I haven't heard of, looks heavy.
I'm a big fan of Tolkien also, but unlike you I also had plenty of issues with Jackson's LOTR - although in retrospect, after another viewing, many of those problems seem less important, and inevitable given the differences between the media to begin with, and between the culture when the book was written and big-budget Hollywood. It was inevitably going to have lots of battle scenes, and cut out many "slower" scenes, and apart from the utterly indefensible cutting of "The Scouring of the Shire" I'm mostly OK with it now, and it has plenty of virtues.

Not so the Hobbit films which take everything that was wrong or problematic in LOTR and magnifies it tenfold while distorting this small, modest, fairly short kid's book into another blockbuster cash cow. The first film was *tolerable* I guess, mostly because I was happy in some ways just to see another big-budget fantasy on the big screen that wasn't Harry Potter, but the second and third were just awful. I no longer have any faith that I'll get to see decent adaptations of any fantasy or sf favorites - unless they are books that are chock-full of action and thin on everything else to begin with, because that's all we're going to get in big expensive FX-heavy films anymore.

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#178

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 11:20 am

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#141 (41 #182) Phoenix (Christian Petzold, 2014) 628.9 points
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#179

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 11:35 am

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#140 (-55 #85) The Salt of the Earth (Juliano Ribeiro Salgado, Wim Wenders, 2014) 630.2 points
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#180

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 11:50 am

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#139 (20 #159) Le quattro volte [The Four Times] (Michelangelo Frammartino, 2010) 631.38 points
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#181

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 12:05 pm

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#138 (16 #154) Zimna wojna [Cold War] (Pawel Pawlikowski, 2018) 633.17 points
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#182

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 12:20 pm

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#137 (75 #212) The Cabin in the Woods (Drew Goddard, 2011) 637.78 points
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#183

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 12:35 pm

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#136 (77 #213) Winter's Bone (Debra Granik, 2010) 650.42 points
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#184

Post by cinewest » July 3rd, 2020, 12:43 pm

Eight of my top 30 have shown up in the 175-250 range, and some might say I should feel good about that, but I really don't, not when I see what's been voted above them.

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Post by outdoorcats » July 3rd, 2020, 12:44 pm

The Four Times, excellent! An incredible film I had the good fortune to catch in theaters in a "blind watch" that blew me away.

Ah, Winter's Bone. Remember when we were all like, "damn, that lead actress whatshername was good. Hollywood should cast her in more stuff." Also, John Hawkes is truly the Daniel Day Lewis of supporting/character actors.

@OldAle1 - The Lord of the Rings definitely changed quite a bit from the books. Perhaps it wasn't as big a deal for me having read the books the first time around when the movies came out (before? during? right after? I forget) so I didn't have a chance to picture a movie in my head from the book. So while I see the book as the superior version of the story (and written in such a beautiful and poetic way it deserves to be counted among the literary greats, snobs be damned) I don't begrudge most of the changes. In fact, I'd argue with as many endings as The Return of the King had, the Scouring of the Shire would have been one extra climax too many.

The Lord of the Rings may have been made with blockbuster money, but in those films, especially the first one, Peter Jackson preserved a sort of indie sensibility to his filmmaking, a kind of bold weirdness you never see in blockbusters, ever. Slow shutter shots, the "Vertigo" dolly zoom, and wildly expressionistic touches in use of close ups and sound design are some I remember. The first Hobbit (I haven't seen the others), on the other hand, looked like it could have been made by literally anyone. :(

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#186

Post by AB537 » July 3rd, 2020, 12:49 pm

Onderhond wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 6:36 am
TraverseTown wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:19 am
I feel like Shoplifters was really popular in Western film circles for a hot minute, then South Korea came in with the one-two punch of Burning & Parasite and knocked it off its pedestal.
The hype around both films (Shoplifters/Parasite) is pretty baffling. Neither felt very different from what's been out there for years. Shoplifters is a nice but somewhat inconspicuous drama, Parasite a decent thriller with a few predictable twists. And neither seem to be inspiring others to take a closer look at contemporary Japanese/Korean cinema.
Can't speak for others, but I've got Parasite #1 and Burning #5 on my 2010s list, and was a fan of Bong with a more general (but largely untapped) interest in Korean film pre-Burning. For whatever reason, my personal taste seems to gravitate in general more towards Korean than Japanese films, and while I liked Shoplifters, it doesn't stand out to me in a big way from either Japanese films or the excellent Cannes 2018 competition.

I've seen a bit more Korean stuff since Parasite, most notably Hanyo - The Housemaid (Kim Ki-young, 1960), a major influence on the newer film, during last month's TSPDT challenge. Definitely want to see more, but as with most countries (other than US/UK/France), availability with English subtitles can be a challenge at times.

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#187

Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 12:50 pm

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#135 (9 #144) Kreuzweg [Stations of the Cross] (Dietrich Brüggemann, 2014) 651.17 points
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#188

Post by Lakigigar » July 3rd, 2020, 12:57 pm

And there goes my number one.

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Post by brokenface » July 3rd, 2020, 12:59 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 10:19 am
brokenface wrote:
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July 2nd, 2020, 3:05 pm

I've seen the first Heimat series and loved it. Do I need to see the other series before watching Die andere Heimat?
You don't need to, as cinephage said. However i would highly highly recommend Heimat II. It is a big time investment but worth it. III and Fragments are okay but not quite on same level as first two series. The prequel was a v good return
With Heimat II I'm waiting for an blu ray release. I think I read they were restoring that one also.
oh nice, I didn't know that

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 1:05 pm

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Post by mightysparks » July 3rd, 2020, 1:07 pm

Lakigigar wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:57 pm
And there goes my number one.
At least yours makes it in...
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 1:20 pm

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Post by Lammetje » July 3rd, 2020, 1:34 pm

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#133 (-42 #91) Kaze tachinu [The Wind Rises] (Hayao Miyazaki, 2013) 660.08 points
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This keeps going in the wrong direction. :(

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 1:35 pm

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Post by OldAle1 » July 3rd, 2020, 1:36 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:44 pm


@OldAle1 - The Lord of the Rings definitely changed quite a bit from the books. Perhaps it wasn't as big a deal for me having read the books the first time around when the movies came out (before? during? right after? I forget) so I didn't have a chance to picture a movie in my head from the book. So while I see the book as the superior version of the story (and written in such a beautiful and poetic way it deserves to be counted among the literary greats, snobs be damned) I don't begrudge most of the changes. In fact, I'd argue with as many endings as The Return of the King had, the Scouring of the Shire would have been one extra climax too many.

The Lord of the Rings may have been made with blockbuster money, but in those films, especially the first one, Peter Jackson preserved a sort of indie sensibility to his filmmaking, a kind of bold weirdness you never see in blockbusters, ever. Slow shutter shots, the "Vertigo" dolly zoom, and wildly expressionistic touches in use of close ups and sound design are some I remember. The first Hobbit (I haven't seen the others), on the other hand, looked like it could have been made by literally anyone. :(
I don't disagree that adding another ending element in the films would have been challenging, but as one who sees that chapter as THE real summary of what the novel is about, I just can't accept it. I think it could have worked but it probably would have required a rethinking of the whole third film, and maybe the whole trilogy. If you want your LOTR to be a fun epic adventure story - and only that - then the films work extremely well; but if you want to experience the theme of loss and ending of a world - the world Tolkien grew up with, which was already dying when he was young - and the desire to maintain the small beauties in the face of industrial "progress", you just don't get that in the movies. And I think that's critical to the success of the work as an artistic achievement.

But yeah, a big part of it for me is that I had read both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings long before, and many times (at least 20 in the case of The Hobbit) so my familiarity with the material made it very hard for me to judge the films with any level of objectivity. As I said above, I've made some peace with Jackson's LOTR, in no small part because of what he does right, above all in the casting/acting and Howard Shore's music. But the Hobbit films really broke my spirit and they're actually a big part of why I've gone back more and more to the fantasy and SF of my own youth and before; the bigger-is-better idea and making everything into an action film didn't start with The Hobbit but it kind of hit it's peak there, and it's where I feel I have to check out. Big part of why I haven't had much interest in Game of Thrones actually - and I know you're a big fan of that. It's possible I'll get to that someday - more likely to read it than watch it - but I really have lost interest in this stuff now, at least this generation's idea of what epic fantasy should be.

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Post by Jimi Antiloop » July 3rd, 2020, 1:38 pm

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Post by Lakigigar » July 3rd, 2020, 1:49 pm

mightysparks wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 1:07 pm
Lakigigar wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:57 pm
And there goes my number one.
At least yours makes it in...
Yes i'm happy about the spot :)
Lammetje wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 1:34 pm
And I'm glad that Laki is back. :)
thank you!

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 1:50 pm

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 2:05 pm

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » July 3rd, 2020, 2:21 pm

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