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Re: Rankdown II - Best Picture Nominees ('09-'19) (Round 8, #4-#1!)

#1241

Post by brokenface » July 24th, 2020, 10:57 pm

The numbers have got confused in the last couple

Think it's

A Serious Man 2
Her 1
The Grand Budapest Hotel 5
Parasite (Gisaengchung) 6

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#1242

Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 12:01 am

Cinewest doesn’t really feel irked the way you imagine, and though it might be apropos to tie things up again for GBH, I will change directions at this juncture:

A Serious Man 2
Her 2
The Grand Budapest Hotel 5
Parasite (Gisaengchung 6
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#1243

Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 12:44 am

brokenface wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 5:28 pm
I'm feeling very much at ease with the final 4 as these are my top 4 from the final round of 15. There's two I'd prefer to win, but honestly happy with any. I'll vote Her
You are one of the fortunate ones whose preferences conform to that of the critical mass.

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#1244

Post by jeff_v » July 25th, 2020, 1:47 am

Veto time?

AB537 (1 veto left)
jeff_v (1 veto left) - NO
jeroeno (1 veto left)

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#1245

Post by sol » July 25th, 2020, 2:25 am

:'(

Somebody please save Parasite. :( You are all running out of opportunities to use your vetoes anyway... :geek:
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#1246

Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 2:37 am

sol wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 2:25 am
:'(

Somebody please save Parasite. :( You are all running out of opportunities to use your vetoes anyway... :geek:
I’m curious, myself, whether a veto will appear, or whether they are continuing to be saved for GBH, and Her, I imagine.

In one sense, you can’t really complain if you blew your vetoes too early in the game
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#1247

Post by jeroeno » July 25th, 2020, 4:58 am

No veto

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#1248

Post by sol » July 25th, 2020, 5:29 am

jeroeno wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 4:58 am
No veto
(u)

Maybe we can find a way to make the final round of the next rankdown less monotonous? Kinda boring voting out the same film 12 times in a row. :unsure:
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#1249

Post by AB537 » July 25th, 2020, 5:54 am

I'm vetoing Parasite.

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Post by sol » July 25th, 2020, 6:05 am

AB537 wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 5:54 am
I'm vetoing Parasite.
:hug: :)
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#1251

Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 6:08 am

There we go. It's on jeff or jeroeno to save GBH this time, and I think jeroeno is saving his veto to protect Her. On you, Jeff.

... and this is exactly why I cast my vote for Her this round

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#1252

Post by jeroeno » July 25th, 2020, 6:12 am

Cinewest is correct. No veto for GBH from me.

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#1253

Post by mightysparks » July 25th, 2020, 6:27 am

Boo I was hoping to have three great films left at the end :’(
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Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 6:33 am

mightysparks wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 6:27 am
Boo I was hoping to have three great films left at the end :’(
Jeff used one of his veto for GBH last time, I think, and if he does so again, there will be a run off between A Serious Man and Her, at which point jeroeno will have to decide whether to play his veto this round to ensure Her advances, or save it until the next round as he prays the voters will favor Her over A Serious Man, a film that just might be too Jewish for some.
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Post by mightysparks » July 25th, 2020, 6:34 am

cinewest wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 6:33 am
mightysparks wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 6:27 am
Boo I was hoping to have three great films left at the end :’(
Jeff used one of his veto for GBH last time, I think, and if he does so again, there will be a run off between A Serious Man and Her
Yeah but they’re the two best ones :(
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Post by brokenface » July 25th, 2020, 6:35 am

sol wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 5:29 am
jeroeno wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 4:58 am
No veto
(u)

Maybe we can find a way to make the final round of the next rankdown less monotonous? Kinda boring voting out the same film 12 times in a row. :unsure:
Just spitballing, but how about if as well as being given 2 vetoes to use, everyone also got 1 super cut, this being an un-veto-able cut.

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#1257

Post by brokenface » July 25th, 2020, 6:38 am

cinewest wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 12:44 am
brokenface wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 5:28 pm
I'm feeling very much at ease with the final 4 as these are my top 4 from the final round of 15. There's two I'd prefer to win, but honestly happy with any. I'll vote Her
You are one of the fortunate ones whose preferences conform to that of the critical mass.
Maybe there's no luck about it and I'm just winning this game :cowbow: tehe

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Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 6:43 am

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brokenface wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 6:38 am
cinewest wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 12:44 am
brokenface wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 5:28 pm
I'm feeling very much at ease with the final 4 as these are my top 4 from the final round of 15. There's two I'd prefer to win, but honestly happy with any. I'll vote Her
You are one of the fortunate ones whose preferences conform to that of the critical mass.

Maybe there's no luck about it and I'm just winning this game :cowbow: tehe
Go figure. How is it I predicted the final 3 upon entering the game, even though none of them is a favorite of mine?

It may take every veto to get them there, but for those of us who wanted something else, that is the best we could do.
Kinda like a black man living in a white world where Whites have no idea how privileged they are because they are so used to having the best cards, and just assume it's the way it should be.
Well, I feel like the "negro" in this game, and there "ain't nothin' I can do about it." :circle:

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#1259

Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 11:14 am

Jeff, it’s up to you... play your veto or GBH goes home.
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#1260

Post by jeff_v » July 25th, 2020, 2:18 pm

I am saving my veto for A Serious Man. Good job, AB537, on successfully getting my 2nd favorite film in the list out.

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#1261

Post by Onderhond » July 25th, 2020, 2:21 pm

Bummer! That's pretty much it for me then. Two mediocre ones (3.0*) and 1 bad film (2.0*) left.
Almost got a comedy in the Top 3 though! That's quite an accomplishment in a place full of cinephiles.

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#1262

Post by jeroeno » July 25th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Do you guys want to play the next round or just go to the final? jeff_v is vetoing A Serious Man and I'm vetoing Her in any case.

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Post by brokenface » July 25th, 2020, 2:34 pm

jeroeno wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 2:31 pm
Do you guys want to play the next round or just go to the final? jeff_v is vetoing A Serious Man and I'm vetoing Her in any case.
Heh sounds like we might as well. Parasite is doomed if the 2 vetoes are decided

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#1264

Post by Onderhond » July 25th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Not quite. Depending on the outcome (Parasite in the middle), only one veto might be drawn, leaving the other person with an extra vote for the final. Parasite might be doomed, but the vetoes are still in play.

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Post by AB537 » July 25th, 2020, 2:42 pm

Not thrilled with the final but did everything I could to get my favourites to the end - Parasite was #1 on my 2010s list and Grand Budapest Hotel was also top 10 on my list, and #2 for me in the last 15. I actually just bought the Criterion edition of the latter earlier this week.

When did we implement extra votes for leftover vetoes? Not that it would have changed my decision, just don't recall this happening.

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Post by brokenface » July 25th, 2020, 2:49 pm

Yeah i don't recall seeing that rule, did onderhond just invent it?!

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Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 2:57 pm

Onderhond wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 2:21 pm
Bummer! That's pretty much it for me then. Two mediocre ones (3.0*) and 1 bad film (2.0*) left.
Almost got a comedy in the Top 3 though! That's quite an accomplishment in a place full of cinephiles.
Both A Serious Man and Parasite are dark comedies, and Wes Anderson is practically a god on ICM for many participants, so I don't see the accomplishment, especially since there has been a mob protecting the film since the round of 10.

Personally speaking, I am mildly surprised, and delighted that A Serious Man (my #4) seems to have made it to the final (thanks to jeff, who I thought might just be its undoing). GBH was in my top 8, but it got a bit annoying watching people swarm to defend it against better films like Amour and Birdman.

Sorry, I can't commiserate with you, as you have played a key role in eliminating all 3 of my favorite films in this game, and have basically voted opposite me throughout, but at least you are a very personable nemesis :D
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Post by beasterne » July 25th, 2020, 2:58 pm

brokenface wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 2:49 pm
Yeah i don't recall seeing that rule, did onderhond just invent it?!
I suggested it as a change for the scenario where all remaining films get vetoed. But it wasn’t a rule change , just a suggestion. I don’t think a change like that should apply except in that scenario.

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Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 3:00 pm

retracted post. awaiting the game manager's call.

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Post by Onderhond » July 25th, 2020, 3:17 pm

cinewest wrote:
July 25th, 2020, 2:57 pm
Both A Serious Man and Parasite are dark comedies
QED :)

And I thought the veto to extra vote rule was implemented earlier. Sorry if I got confused!

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Post by cinewest » July 25th, 2020, 3:23 pm

So have we arrived at the final, then? A Serious Man vs. Her? Straight up vote, no vetoes?

Well, I did like Her, which is in the 7.5-8 range for me, but consider it a small film (just outside my top 100 for the 2010's) whereas A Serious Man is an 8.5 (with a solid place in my top 100 of the 2000's) for its deft balance of drama and comedy in retelling the Book of Job. While not a personal favorite (like Llewyn Davis or Fargo), I do think it's one of the Coen brother's top 5.

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Post by jeff_v » July 25th, 2020, 4:04 pm

My case for A Serious Man:

A friend of mine's first reaction was "I think I just saw a great movie." Same here. The Coens have a way of giving you just enough to stimulate your intellect without ever spelling anything out. It's what makes their films so re-watchable.

Hopefully this movie ends the debate as to whether the Coens feel superior to their characters. Of course they do! They are gods, and they put their characters to tests, moral and otherwise to reveal human folly but also what is resilient and fascinating about us.

"I didn't do anything!" is the constant refrain in this movie. (Compare to their previous movie's "What the fuck?" chorus to get an idea of the difference in tone.) The worst sin is doing nothing.

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Post by Smoover » July 25th, 2020, 4:12 pm

Nice to see my favourite 2 movies of the last 10 movies made it into the finale

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Post by sol » July 25th, 2020, 4:12 pm

So here's a fun question: with Grand Budapest finally eliminated (can't believe I'm actually saying those words), I am allowed to abstain from voting?

All three remaining films are in the 8.5 to 9/10 range for me and I don't really mind what wins from here. :ermm: It's all good. :)
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Post by OldAle1 » July 25th, 2020, 4:21 pm

If we are indeed into the straight-up vote period I'll just say that A Serious Man is one of those films that I *almost* loved, or loved with some qualifications; I'd really need to see it again to say more. It does feel like the Coens going in a more 'thoughtful" direction, less beholden to their typical comic and somewhat misanthropic or cynical attitudes - but I just could quite see it as all coming together into a great film in the end.

Her on the other hand was just devastating for me and hit me in a personal spot like few other films; my own loneliness and inability to connect romantically - or in any way with people outside of the internet over most of the last 20 years (and to a certain extent my whole life) puts me squarely into Joaquin Phoenix's character here and it was one of those great self-identifying films that in some ways I think I don't ever want to see again. My third favorite film of the list, and I'm happy it made it this far.

Parasite I already discussed a bit earlier. On a certain level, happy to see one non-English-language film make it to the top 3 but it definitely isn't the one I would have picked.

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Post by beasterne » July 25th, 2020, 4:47 pm

I am trying really hard to think of a reason to have the final three vote. If we have two players guaranteeing to use their veto for their favorites in this round, the last round they can use the veto, then I think the movie without a veto has to be eliminated. I guess the one reason to run this round is if one of the veto holders thinks their favorite will have a better chance of winning against Parasite than against the other, they could theoretically veto Parasite and let the other film be eliminated. It’s an unlikely scenario, but it is possible I guess.

Unless one of the veto holders thinks the above is reason enough for us to run the 3rd place round, I think we are fine to move onto the final vote.

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Post by jeff_v » July 25th, 2020, 4:55 pm

I would prefer skipping to the final. And you can log my vote for A Serious Man now. I have a feeling Her will win though. It racked up the fewest votes along the way --the only scenario where it would have been eliminated is if the top two vote-getters in a round were vetoed.

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Post by jeroeno » July 25th, 2020, 5:07 pm

Yeah I'm gonna veto Her all the way to the final two in any scenario so let's just start the final battle and get it over with

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Post by blocho » July 25th, 2020, 5:50 pm

I don't understand what's happening anymore in terms of the game.

Maybe it's best if we exclude vetoes from the vote-off for the next rankdown, although it sometimes makes for interesting gameplay.

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Post by jeroeno » July 25th, 2020, 5:59 pm

blocho wrote:
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I don't understand what's happening anymore in terms of the game.

Maybe it's best if we exclude vetoes from the vote-off for the next rankdown, although it sometimes makes for interesting gameplay.
We have three films left in the game.
Parasite, Her and A Serious Man

We also have two vetoes left in the game.
One who is commited to Her, One who is commited to A Serious Man

Therefore we already know the outcome of the battle between the final three. Parasite will be third.

Now all we have to do is to start playing the battle between the final two.

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