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Rankdown II - Best Picture Nominees ('09-'19) (Round 4, #61-#47)

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Re: Rankdown II - Best Picture Nominees ('09-'19) (Round 2 starting soon!)

#121

Post by sol » June 26th, 2020, 3:12 pm

jeroeno wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 3:02 pm
I liked Billboards and Whiplash a lot but not enough to veto their cuts. The rest of the remaining cuts this round are fine with me.
Three Billboards is easily my favourite of the unvetoed cuts so far, however, I know that there is a lot of hate out there for it, so I don't think it is worth trying to save it. A bit sad to see Argo and The King's Speech disappear so early, but I don't feel that strongly about either. :shrug:
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#122

Post by OldAle1 » June 26th, 2020, 3:25 pm

Well, there's probably a fair amount of hate for almost every film here when it comes down to it (though I do think there is one film that might be an exception - won't mention it yet though, no need to see the same thing happen that happened to Vertigo last time around). And let's face it the attitude that "all Oscar nominees suck" isn't that uncommon - even "all mainstream American films suck" isn't that rare an attitude.

But still I've yet to see any opinion here so extreme as that expressed by the editor of a once fairly well-known Amercian classical music magazine who proclaimed on at least one occasion that classical music was the only music, period - everything else from jazz to country to hip-hop was worthless garbage made by and for diseased morons. Our elitists and cranks and contrarians pale in comparison.

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#123

Post by jeroeno » June 26th, 2020, 3:51 pm

Only 1 Spielberg cut this round. So much of his Oscarbait nonsense left. After I'm done cutting The Irishman I'm coming for you Stevie mwahhahahaha

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#124

Post by PGonzalez » June 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm

jeroeno wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 3:51 pm
Only 1 Spielberg cut this round. So much of his Oscarbait nonsense left. After I'm done cutting The Irishman I'm coming for you Stevie mwahhahahaha
Why The Irishman before Spielberg?

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#125

Post by beasterne » June 26th, 2020, 5:23 pm

Round 2 has begun! For the new players, we use the same order for cuts every round, so AB is up first.


The List of FilmsShow
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The Blind Side
District 9
An Education
The Hurt Locker
Inglourious Basterds
Precious
A Serious Man
Up
Up in the Air
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
127 Hours
The Social Network
Toy Story 3
True Grit
Winter's Bone
The Artist
The Descendants
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
Amour
Argo
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Django Unchained
Les Miserables
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
Dallas Buyers Club
Gravity
Her
Nebraska
Philomena
12 Years a Slave
The Wolf of Wall Street
Boyhood
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Whiplash
Selma
American Sniper
The Imitation Game
The Theory of Everything
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Call Me by Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
BlacKkKlansman
Black Panther
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
Vice
Ford v Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite (Gisaengchung)
The ParticipantsShow
1. AB537 (2 vetoes left)
2. OldAle1 (1 veto left)
3. beasterne (2 vetoes left)
4. jeff_v (2 vetoes left)
5. Onderhond (2 vetoes left)
6. Smoover (1 veto left)
7. PGonzalez (1 veto left)
8. brokenface (2 vetoes left)
9. toromash (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks (2 vetoes left)
11. sol (2 vetoes left)
12. blocho (2 vetoes left)
13. shugs (2 vetoes left)
14. jeroeno (2 vetoes left)
15. NathanTreadway (1 veto left)

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#126

Post by AB537 » June 26th, 2020, 5:49 pm

I'm getting rid of Lion this time. For me, this is a mostly forgettable feel-good biopic, which takes a nice story and Hollywoodizes it to become blatant Oscar bait. Not a terrible movie, but nowhere near the quality that we should (theoretically) expect from the "top 5-10" films of the year the Best Picture field purports to represent. Obviously, these critiques aren't unique to this film on the list, and I'm sure there would be plenty of debate among us as to which movies we'd put in that category, but there's my explanation.

Incidentally, I'm in the same boat as Sol re Three Billboards. Great film, and probably top 10 on my list in the eligible group, but seems like enough passionate critics here that a veto would be wasted.
The List of FilmsShow
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The Blind Side
District 9
An Education
The Hurt Locker
Inglourious Basterds
Precious
A Serious Man
Up
Up in the Air
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
127 Hours
The Social Network
Toy Story 3
True Grit
Winter's Bone
The Artist
The Descendants
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
Amour
Argo
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Django Unchained
Les Miserables
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
Dallas Buyers Club
Gravity
Her
Nebraska
Philomena
12 Years a Slave
The Wolf of Wall Street
Boyhood
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Whiplash
Selma
American Sniper
The Imitation Game
The Theory of Everything
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Call Me by Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
BlacKkKlansman
Black Panther
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
Vice
Ford v Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite (Gisaengchung)
The ParticipantsShow
1. AB537 (2 vetoes left)
2. OldAle1 (1 veto left)
3. beasterne (2 vetoes left)
4. jeff_v (2 vetoes left)
5. Onderhond (2 vetoes left)
6. Smoover (1 veto left)
7. PGonzalez (1 veto left)
8. brokenface (2 vetoes left)
9. toromash (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks (2 vetoes left)
11. sol (2 vetoes left)
12. blocho (2 vetoes left)
13. shugs (2 vetoes left)
14. jeroeno (2 vetoes left)
15. NathanTreadway (1 veto left)

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#127

Post by jeroeno » June 26th, 2020, 6:02 pm

PGonzalez wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm
jeroeno wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 3:51 pm
Only 1 Spielberg cut this round. So much of his Oscarbait nonsense left. After I'm done cutting The Irishman I'm coming for you Stevie mwahhahahaha
Why The Irishman before Spielberg?
I'm taking Onderhond's approach on that one. The Spielbergs aren't going to get a lot of vetoes, it's probably going to take me a few rounds to get rid of this piece of cinematic shit because for some reason people actually seem to like The Irishman. :shrug:

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#128

Post by OldAle1 » June 26th, 2020, 7:41 pm

My choice this time is Inception, one of the three films left that I would say I *strongly* dislike. Not that it doesn't have some good points - like most of LORD GOD NOLAN'S films it's nicely shot, some of the acting was all right, and the basic idea - if not nearly as original as many fans want to believe it is - is pretty cool. But it suffers from the Nole's typical tell-not-show approach to exposition, and might be more guilty in that department than any of his other films, seemed way overlong and repetitive, and the ending just seemed like a gimmick to me rather than anything really revelatory. At least in memory - this is one I'd like to revisit as I do really love virtual reality as a concept in film, and I wouldn't be surprised if I did underrate it a bit originally. On the other hand, I don't love any of the director's other films, and the two that I have rewatched didn't improve at all for me. So I'd be shocked if I end up feeling it's actually award-worthy, and certainly at this moment, HELL NO.
The List of FilmsShow
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The Blind Side
District 9
An Education
The Hurt Locker
Inglourious Basterds
Precious
A Serious Man
Up
Up in the Air
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
127 Hours
The Social Network
Toy Story 3
True Grit
Winter's Bone
The Artist
The Descendants
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
Amour
Argo
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Django Unchained
Les Miserables
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
Dallas Buyers Club
Gravity
Her
Nebraska
Philomena
12 Years a Slave
The Wolf of Wall Street
Boyhood
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Whiplash
Selma
American Sniper
The Imitation Game
The Theory of Everything
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Call Me by Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
BlacKkKlansman
Black Panther
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
Vice
Ford v Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite (Gisaengchung)
The ParticipantsShow
1. AB537 (2 vetoes left)
2. OldAle1 (1 veto left)
3. beasterne (2 vetoes left)
4. jeff_v (2 vetoes left)
5. Onderhond (2 vetoes left)
6. Smoover (1 veto left)
7. PGonzalez (1 veto left)
8. brokenface (2 vetoes left)
9. toromash (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks (2 vetoes left)
11. sol (2 vetoes left)
12. blocho (2 vetoes left)
13. shugs (2 vetoes left)
14. jeroeno (2 vetoes left)
15. NathanTreadway (1 veto left)

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#129

Post by beasterne » June 26th, 2020, 8:00 pm

My next cut is going to a movie that gave me complete tonal whiplash: Hacksaw Ridge. The first half of the movie was like a treacly, melodramatic version of Full Metal Jacket. It made Sergeant York look subtle. And then the second half of the movie was just a barrage of blood, guts, and gore. Unfortunately the movie seemed like it was delighting in the gruesomeness of war since the main character was such an avowed pacifist. And the Jesus imagery at the end was extremely forced and didn't work for me at all. Overall, this was one of my all-time worst theater experiences, I really did not enjoy the experience from start to finish.

The List of FilmsShow
Avatar
The Blind Side
District 9
An Education
The Hurt Locker
Inglourious Basterds
Precious
A Serious Man
Up
Up in the Air
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
127 Hours
The Social Network
Toy Story 3
True Grit
Winter's Bone
The Artist
The Descendants
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
Amour
Argo
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Django Unchained
Les Miserables
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
Dallas Buyers Club
Gravity
Her
Nebraska
Philomena
12 Years a Slave
The Wolf of Wall Street
Boyhood
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Whiplash
Selma
American Sniper
The Imitation Game
The Theory of Everything
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Call Me by Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
BlacKkKlansman
Black Panther
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
Vice
Ford v Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite (Gisaengchung)
The ParticipantsShow
1. AB537 (2 vetoes left)
2. OldAle1 (1 veto left)
3. beasterne (2 vetoes left)
4. jeff_v (2 vetoes left)
5. Onderhond (2 vetoes left)
6. Smoover (1 veto left)
7. PGonzalez (1 veto left)
8. brokenface (2 vetoes left)
9. toromash (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks (2 vetoes left)
11. sol (2 vetoes left)
12. blocho (2 vetoes left)
13. shugs (2 vetoes left)
14. jeroeno (2 vetoes left)
15. NathanTreadway (1 veto left)

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#130

Post by Nathan Treadway » June 26th, 2020, 8:31 pm

beasterne wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 8:00 pm
My next cut is going to a movie that gave me complete tonal whiplash: Hacksaw Ridge. The first half of the movie was like a treacly, melodramatic version of Full Metal Jacket. It made Sergeant York look subtle. And then the second half of the movie was just a barrage of blood, guts, and gore. Unfortunately the movie seemed like it was delighting in the gruesomeness of war since the main character was such an avowed pacifist. And the Jesus imagery at the end was extremely forced and didn't work for me at all. Overall, this was one of my all-time worst theater experiences, I really did not enjoy the experience from start to finish.

The List of FilmsShow
Avatar
The Blind Side
District 9
An Education
The Hurt Locker
Inglourious Basterds
Precious
A Serious Man
Up
Up in the Air
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
127 Hours
The Social Network
Toy Story 3
True Grit
Winter's Bone
The Artist
The Descendants
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
War Horse
Amour
Argo
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Django Unchained
Les Miserables
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
Dallas Buyers Club
Gravity
Her
Nebraska
Philomena
12 Years a Slave
The Wolf of Wall Street
Boyhood
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Whiplash
Selma
American Sniper
The Imitation Game
The Theory of Everything
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Call Me by Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
BlacKkKlansman
Black Panther
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
Vice
Ford v Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite (Gisaengchung)
The ParticipantsShow
1. AB537 (2 vetoes left)
2. OldAle1 (1 veto left)
3. beasterne (2 vetoes left)
4. jeff_v (2 vetoes left)
5. Onderhond (2 vetoes left)
6. Smoover (1 veto left)
7. PGonzalez (1 veto left)
8. brokenface (2 vetoes left)
9. toromash (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks (2 vetoes left)
11. sol (2 vetoes left)
12. blocho (2 vetoes left)
13. shugs (2 vetoes left)
14. jeroeno (2 vetoes left)
15. NathanTreadway (1 veto left)
I was really disappointed in this. As a Seventh-day Adventist I was quite aware of his story and was really looking forward to this film.

There's a documentary about him that's a lot better. (The Conscientious Objector).

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#131

Post by Smoover » June 27th, 2020, 12:27 am

Good picks so far this round

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#132

Post by cinewest » June 27th, 2020, 12:53 am

I'm not a Nolan fan, but I think Inception is one of the better sci-fi films of the decade. Though it turns into too much of an action / violence movie for my taste (I would have preferred more stealth / suspense), the ideas are interesting, and the script is well-conceived, as are some of the effects, and the “play” with Video games is a lot more interesting here than in Mad Max: Fury Road , which is about as basic an escape and destroy mission as there is.
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#134

Post by Onderhond » June 27th, 2020, 6:54 am

OldAle1 wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 7:41 pm
My choice this time is Inception, one of the three films left that I would say I *strongly* dislike.
Thank you, makes it easier for me :poshclap:

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#135

Post by cinewest » June 27th, 2020, 9:28 am

OldAle1 wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 3:25 pm
Well, there's probably a fair amount of hate for almost every film here when it comes down to it (though I do think there is one film that might be an exception - won't mention it yet though, no need to see the same thing happen that happened to Vertigo last time around). And let's face it the attitude that "all Oscar nominees suck" isn't that uncommon - even "all mainstream American films suck" isn't that rare an attitude.

But still I've yet to see any opinion here so extreme as that expressed by the editor of a once fairly well-known Amercian classical music magazine who proclaimed on at least one occasion that classical music was the only music, period - everything else from jazz to country to hip-hop was worthless garbage made by and for diseased morons. Our elitists and cranks and contrarians pale in comparison.
"Hate" is a bit strong, for me. I try to stay away from the films I don't think I'll like, though I do get suckered into some of the "cultural mainstays," if only because people like to talk about them. Maybe "bothered by" is a more appropriate description of the films here I think are way overrated, and talked about, like the Tarantino's, and Mad Max... throw in a couple of the Scorsesse's, etc.

The middling stuff is easy to forget (of the cuts I have seen, only 3 Billboards would get a thumbs down from me), but the touted "hot air" does get my ire up some. I'd be the first to say that Pulp Fiction is an American standout of the 90's, if only for its originality and wit, but Tarantino hasn't really matched that or gone beyond it since, and all he seems capable of is making "smart-ass" trash (that's not really that smart anymore, apart from an inspired scene or 2 that play more like skits) inspired by 3rd rate garbage to begin with.

I have somewhat similar feelings about post the 80's Scorsesse, who while stylistically more polished at what he does, either repeats himself (a la Tarantino) in ways that seem like self-parody (I seriously couldn't get past the 75 year old De Niro kicking ass with the aid of trick photography that unfortunately couldn't hide the age in his efforts), or turns potentially great subject matter into beautiful but misconceived mediocrity.
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#136

Post by prodigalgodson » June 27th, 2020, 9:39 am

cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:28 am
I have somewhat similar feelings about post the 80's Scorsesse, who while stylistically more masterful at what he does, either repeats himself (a la Tarantino) in ways that seem like self-parody (I seriously couldn't get past the 75 year old De Niro kicking ass with the aid of trick photography that unfortunately couldn't hide the age in his efforts), or turns potentially great subject matter into beautiful but misconceived mediocrity.
How do you feel about Silence west?

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#137

Post by cinewest » June 27th, 2020, 10:08 am

prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:39 am
cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:28 am
I have somewhat similar feelings about post the 80's Scorsesse, who while stylistically more masterful at what he does, either repeats himself (a la Tarantino) in ways that seem like self-parody (I seriously couldn't get past the 75 year old De Niro kicking ass with the aid of trick photography that unfortunately couldn't hide the age in his efforts), or turns potentially great subject matter into beautiful but misconceived mediocrity.
How do you feel about Silence west?
That’s one I haven’t seen. Is it worthwhile? The only one I thought fulfilled its promise in quite a while was Shutter Island.
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#138

Post by Onderhond » June 27th, 2020, 10:39 am

Scorsese didn't even have the decency to let the Japanese actors speak in their own language.

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#139

Post by jeroeno » June 27th, 2020, 2:59 pm

While we're waiting on jeff_v's cut I updated the list of films. The movies that were cut and didn't get vetoed in round 1 are now removed from the list.

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District 9
The Hurt Locker
Inglourious Basterds
Precious
A Serious Man
Up
Up in the Air
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
127 Hours
The Social Network
Toy Story 3
True Grit
Winter's Bone
The Artist
The Descendants
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close
The Help
Hugo
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
The Tree of Life
Amour
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Django Unchained
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty
American Hustle
Captain Phillips
Dallas Buyers Club
Gravity
Her
Nebraska
Philomena
12 Years a Slave
The Wolf of Wall Street
Boyhood
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Selma
American Sniper
The Imitation Game
The Theory of Everything
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight
Arrival
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
Call Me by Your Name
Darkest Hour
Dunkirk
Get Out
Lady Bird
Phantom Thread
The Post
The Shape of Water
BlacKkKlansman
Black Panther
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
Ford v Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite (Gisaengchung)
The ParticipantsShow
1. AB537 (2 vetoes left)
2. OldAle1 (1 veto left)
3. beasterne (2 vetoes left)
4. jeff_v (2 vetoes left)
5. Onderhond (2 vetoes left)
6. Smoover (1 veto left)
7. PGonzalez (1 veto left)
8. brokenface (2 vetoes left)
9. toromash (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks (2 vetoes left)
11. sol (2 vetoes left)
12. blocho (2 vetoes left)
13. shugs (2 vetoes left)
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Post by jeff_v » June 27th, 2020, 3:41 pm

My cut is Midnight in Paris. Terrible jokes, bad impersonations, and a theme that is explicitly declaimed repeatedly in the dialogue made this even more of a slog than usual for Woody Allen.

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Post by Onderhond » June 27th, 2020, 3:48 pm

I'll cut Phantom Thread .

Will give a longer explanation later, I'm on my phone now.

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Post by prodigalgodson » June 27th, 2020, 7:25 pm

cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 10:08 am
prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:39 am
cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:28 am
I have somewhat similar feelings about post the 80's Scorsesse, who while stylistically more masterful at what he does, either repeats himself (a la Tarantino) in ways that seem like self-parody (I seriously couldn't get past the 75 year old De Niro kicking ass with the aid of trick photography that unfortunately couldn't hide the age in his efforts), or turns potentially great subject matter into beautiful but misconceived mediocrity.
How do you feel about Silence west?
That’s one I haven’t seen. Is it worthwhile? The only one I thought fulfilled its promise in quite a while was Shutter Island.
I think it's the best thing he's ever done, though I've liked a number of his recent films. I may have unusual taste with Scorsese though, my favorite before that was Bringing Out the Dead.

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Post by prodigalgodson » June 27th, 2020, 7:28 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 10:39 am
Scorsese didn't even have the decency to let the Japanese actors speak in their own language.
I don't really remember, but I thought the Japanese cast spoke Japanese to each other, but English to the missionaries? If anything you could be upset that the characters are Portugeuse but speaking English, but in Shinoda's adaptation (apparently, I haven't seen it) the languages are English and Japanese too.

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Post by jeroeno » June 27th, 2020, 7:38 pm

prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 7:25 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 10:08 am
prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:39 am

How do you feel about Silence west?
That’s one I haven’t seen. Is it worthwhile? The only one I thought fulfilled its promise in quite a while was Shutter Island.
I think it's the best thing he's ever done, though I've liked a number of his recent films. I may have unusual taste with Scorsese though, my favorite before that was Bringing Out the Dead.
Bringing Out the Dead is such an underrated movie. It's my favorite Scorsese movie as well. I did like parts of Shutter Island, The Departed and Hugo but ultimately BotD remains on top. :cheers:

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Post by Smoover » June 27th, 2020, 7:50 pm

I cut District 9, not because i dont like it. I just hope for the veto of the Opposite :D
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Post by Onderhond » June 27th, 2020, 9:15 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 3:48 pm
I'll cut Phantom Thread .

Will give a longer explanation later, I'm on my phone now.
I was a pretty solid PTA fun, up until There Will Be Blood. Something changed, the fun and joy started to drip out of his movies and they became very contorted. Then again, that's what you get with an actor like DDL in the lead. He was slowly working his way up with The Master (2.5*) and Inherent Vice (3.0*), but then Phantom Thread turned out to be the worst thing he made so far.

DDL's character is drab, DDL is drab, the romance was lifeless. The cinematography was boring too. The only remarkable part was the restless close-ups, but they're pretty cliché by now. And then there's the impossible soundtrack, very Oscar-ready.

I wonder what killed PTA's joy.

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Post by prodigalgodson » June 27th, 2020, 10:40 pm

jeroeno wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 7:38 pm
prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 7:25 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 10:08 am


That’s one I haven’t seen. Is it worthwhile? The only one I thought fulfilled its promise in quite a while was Shutter Island.
I think it's the best thing he's ever done, though I've liked a number of his recent films. I may have unusual taste with Scorsese though, my favorite before that was Bringing Out the Dead.
Bringing Out the Dead is such an underrated movie. It's my favorite Scorsese movie as well. I did like parts of Shutter Island, The Departed and Hugo but ultimately BotD remains on top. :cheers:
Nice! I know kongs_speech saw it and put it in his all-time top ten recently too. Maybe it'll be reevaluated at some point.

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Post by prodigalgodson » June 27th, 2020, 10:43 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:15 pm
I wonder what killed PTA's joy.
Getting older haha.

I agree Phantom Thread has a dour streak, though I heartily disagree with the cinematography comment, some of those dollies are gorgeous. I actually don't much like anything pre-TWBB, which is easily my favorite of his, though my second-favorite Inherent Vice has abundant joy to balance its melancholy.

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Post by cinewest » June 28th, 2020, 1:20 am

prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 7:25 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 10:08 am
prodigalgodson wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 9:39 am

How do you feel about Silence west?
That’s one I haven’t seen. Is it worthwhile? The only one I thought fulfilled its promise in quite a while was Shutter Island.
I think it's the best thing he's ever done, though I've liked a number of his recent films. I may have unusual taste with Scorsese though, my favorite before that was Bringing Out the Dead.
I completely missed Bringing Out the Dead, though admittedly I soured on Scorsese before that, and haven't seen all of his films since the mid-90's. After looking it up, I notice that Paul Schrader wrote the script, as he did for most of my favorites by Scorsese, so maybe I'll check it out.

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Post by PGonzalez » June 28th, 2020, 2:54 am

District 9 was going to be my pick, but since Smoover took care of that I'll go with Nebraska, a sort of The Straight Story gone wrong.
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Post by blocho » June 28th, 2020, 3:31 am

Smoover wrote:
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I cut District 9, not because i dont like it. I just hope for the veto of the Opposite :D
What does that mean? Is that a reference to something in the movie I don't remember?

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Post by brokenface » June 28th, 2020, 6:33 am

American Sniper aka Flags and Guns. I had strong distaste for this one, but even if i could overlook the sense of it being a propaganda piece aimed entirely at American audience, it was a clunky, dull film.
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Post by jeroeno » June 28th, 2020, 8:23 am

I forgot that was nominated. I'm sure the US Army got a lot of new recruits because of that piece of shit.

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Post by cinewest » June 28th, 2020, 8:50 am

Quite a few of the 35 I haven't seen getting the bump, which reinforces why I didn't see them to begin with. Easily, the worst one I saw on the list is 3 Billboards (the only film I rated below a 5), though OldAle's favorite might be next.
An Education (7+ for me) didn't deserve such an early cut, though, and among comparable films, I preferred it to something like Brooklyn.

( would say that the average film I see rates a 7, but that the average score among the 63 I have seen from this list is definitely below that (watchable, but somewhat disappointing, especially given the publicity around them), and more than 1/3 are 6's in my book. The films of Alexander Payne (whose films I have rated between 5 and 7) probably typify my thoughts and feelings about most of the films on this list.
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Post by toromash » June 28th, 2020, 10:42 am

Cut: Silver Linings Playbook. Don't like this film. It fail as a comedy, it's also an annoying film given that the lead characters yells all the time, and when its 2 of the few actors i don't like, then it has a double effect. The subject matter is treated with disrespect, so all in all a mediocre film.

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Post by sol » June 29th, 2020, 10:28 am

Updated list while we wait for the next person in line. :)

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Post by cinewest » June 29th, 2020, 11:13 am

Pretty sure Migthy is in cahoots with Onder to purge the list of Tree of life

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Post by Onderhond » June 29th, 2020, 12:57 pm

cinewest wrote:
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Pretty sure Migthy is in cahoots with Onder to purge the list of Tree of life
She committed to making ToL-branded voodoo dolls, while I'm doing nude dances around my apartment building at midnight.

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Post by cinewest » June 29th, 2020, 1:16 pm

Onderhond wrote:
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cinewest wrote:
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Pretty sure Migthy is in cahoots with Onder to purge the list of Tree of life
She committed to making ToL-branded voodoo dolls, while I'm doing nude dances around my apartment building at midnight.
Ah, the dolls. Now I understand why she's taking so long to swing her scythe. Hope you don't get too tuckered out in the meantime...

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Post by beasterne » June 29th, 2020, 1:29 pm

OP is updated through toromash's cut. Glad to see Nebraska get the chop, as it's one of 4 remaining films I haven't seen yet. Well, I saw some of it, but I fell asleep about 20 minutes in and woke up with about 10 minutes left--that's not enough for a check in my book.

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