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World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 12:04 pm
by joachimt
This is match 2D of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
EstoniaNovember2017jvvlinklink
SpainLa cazaThe Hunt1966PeacefulAnarchylinklink

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November
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La caza
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Voting Rules:
- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Jul 5th
Countdown till deadline

The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
- In case there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
iCM-list of all movies in this World Cup

List of all topics related to the World Cup including previous seasons

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 1:58 pm
by Mario Gaborović
1. La caza
2. November

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 2:00 pm
by zuma
01 - November

02 - La caza

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 2:01 pm
by hurluberlu
1. November 7
2. La Caza 7-

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 5:15 pm
by Armoreska
we're into already-seen territory
November 5
La caza 4+

and another animal cruelty film, ofc. anyhow the other barely squeaked by it

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 7:37 pm
by beavis
1. November - 8.5
2. La Caza - 7.5

Loved November!

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 7:51 pm
by 72aicm
1. La caza 8/10
2. November 7.5/10

Loved the opening scene in November. Still not good enough to beat the old favourite La caza though.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 10:34 pm
by klaus78
1. La caza (Spain) 7/10
2. November (Estonia) 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 21st, 2020, 11:03 pm
by bjornam
1. November
2. La caza

Feels weird to vote against Saura, but personally I prefer quite a few of the films of his that followed this one. November was a beatiful and quite original one, one of my favourites from the last few years.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 22nd, 2020, 9:38 am
by Angel Glez
1.La caza
2.November

The only really great Saura, the only time that his movie works and its associated allegory* works.

*Not sure foreigners realize this, do you?
SpoilerShow
(Spanish Civil War)

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 22nd, 2020, 9:43 am
by joachimt
Image November: 5
Image La caza: 4

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 22nd, 2020, 12:12 pm
by Muellwind
1. La caza
2. November

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 23rd, 2020, 2:31 pm
by filmbantha
Although November is wildly original and beautiful to look at for some reason it left me underwhelmed. If anyone enjoyed the horror elements of November then I would recommend seeking out Hagazussa. It's been a while since I have seen La Caza but it was a 7/10 so it's the clear winner for me here.

1. La caza 7/10
2. November 5/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 23rd, 2020, 7:52 pm
by hurluberlu
Angel Glez wrote:
June 22nd, 2020, 9:38 am
The only really great Saura, the only time that his movie works and its associated allegory* works.

*Not sure foreigners realize this, do you?
SpoilerShow
(Spanish Civil War)
They are Franquist hunting on a former Civil War battlefield so it is barely an allegory ;). Or you need to extend it to Spain. But that is the issue I have with the film (and why it is not a masterpiece in my book) it lacks subtely in many regards (also abusing from close shots, drumbeats, voice-overs...).

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 23rd, 2020, 8:25 pm
by Angel Glez
hurluberlu wrote:
June 23rd, 2020, 7:52 pm
Angel Glez wrote:
June 22nd, 2020, 9:38 am
The only really great Saura, the only time that his movie works and its associated allegory* works.

*Not sure foreigners realize this, do you?
SpoilerShow
(Spanish Civil War)
They are Franquist hunting on a former Civil War battlefield so it is barely an allegory ;). Or you need to extend it to Spain. But that is the issue I have with the film (and why it is not a masterpiece in my book) it lacks subtely in many regards (also abusing from close shots, drumbeats, voice-overs...).
Subtlety does not characterize Saura's cinema. :P

Not only location has a symbolic meaning, also actions, words, characters and even casting (!) have.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 25th, 2020, 6:28 am
by edward5
1. November
2. La caza

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 27th, 2020, 7:07 pm
by jvv
1. November
2. La caza

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: June 28th, 2020, 3:57 pm
by joachimt
1. November 9/10 :wub:
2. La caza 7/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 2nd, 2020, 12:29 am
by zhangalan
1. La Caza
2. November

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 2nd, 2020, 6:01 am
by joachimt
Image November: 8
Image La caza: 7

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 2nd, 2020, 5:11 pm
by Smoover
1. November 7/10
2. La caza 6.5/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 2nd, 2020, 9:33 pm
by Cocoa
1. La caza 5/10
2. November 4/10

The black and white cinematography in November is amazing. Unfortunately, everything else about the film is awful and I felt pain while watching the film because it was so bad. La caza was mostly meh, sometimes the cinematography was good but overall the story is just meh and there are some cringe moments. The film gets worse near the 2/3 point of the film and it never recovers. Carlos Saura has better films than this.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 2nd, 2020, 11:30 pm
by Armoreska
Cocoa wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 9:33 pm
1. La caza 5/10
2. November 4/10

The black and white cinematography in November is amazing. Unfortunately, everything else about the film is awful and I felt pain while watching the film because it was so bad. La caza was mostly meh, sometimes the cinematography was good but overall the story is just meh and there are some cringe moments. The film gets worse near the 2/3 point of the film and it never recovers. Carlos Saura has better films than this.
We finally pretty much agree

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 3rd, 2020, 10:02 pm
by clemmetarey
1. November (2017) 9/10
2. La caza (1966) 5/10

November is one of the highlight of this year for me.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 4th, 2020, 8:35 am
by zzzorf
1. November (2017) 7/10
2. La caza (1966) 5/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 4th, 2020, 9:42 am
by kingink
1. November (2017) 9/10 (Where can I find a kratt? :D )
2. La caza (1966) 6/10

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 4th, 2020, 9:59 am
by weirdboy
1. November (2017) - Rainer Sarnet
2. La caza AKA The Hunt (1966) - Carlos Saura [re-watch]

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 4th, 2020, 7:02 pm
by joachimt
Looks like this is the decisive gap.

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Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 4th, 2020, 9:17 pm
by Mario Gaborović
Image November: 13
Image La caza: 8

1.5 day left.

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 5th, 2020, 4:09 am
by Nathan Treadway
Looks like I'm going to end the streak.

1. La Caza
2. November

Re: World Cup, Season 4, Match 2D: Estonia vs Spain (Jul 5th)

Posted: July 5th, 2020, 7:11 am
by PeacefulAnarchy
:( I'm watching Novemeber tomorrow so I'll get a vote in, I hope.