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World Cup, Season 4, Match 2A: Poland vs Mexico (Jun 4th)

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Post by joachimt » May 21st, 2020, 7:05 am

This is match 2A of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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PolandSanatorium pod klepsydraThe Hourglass Sanatorium1973sebbylinklink
MexicoEl violínThe Violin200572aicmlinklink

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- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
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We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 21st, 2020, 10:26 am

1. El Violin
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydra

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Post by joachimt » May 21st, 2020, 2:44 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra 9/10
2. El violín 8/10

El violín is a very good movie. I just didn't feel like I was watching something special, which was the feeling I had when I watched Sanatorium twice.
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Post by 72aicm » May 21st, 2020, 2:53 pm

1. El violín
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydra

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Post by zuma » May 21st, 2020, 6:33 pm

01 - Sanatorium pod klepsydra

02 - El violín

Enjoyed both. Sanatorium pod klepsydra is a top 75 favourite though so the ranking was pretty much predetermined.

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Post by klaus78 » May 21st, 2020, 7:38 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra (Poland) 8/10
2. El violín (Mexico) 7/10

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Post by Muellwind » May 22nd, 2020, 7:19 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra
2. El violín

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Post by Cocoa » May 23rd, 2020, 5:51 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra 5/10
2. El violín 5/10

This was not a fun match. I first watched El violín three years ago. When I first saw that the film was picked for WC, I tried to remember it but I couldn't bring back any memories. It took my mind a few days to remember the film. I didn't care for the film.

Due to the fact that El violín was a forgettable film for me, all Sanatorium pod klepsydra had to do was not suck. I never watched Sanatorium pod klepsydra before, but I always wanted to, so this gave me the perfect opportunity to watch it. Sadly, Sanatorium pod klepsydra was an incredibly boring experience for me. The film starts out fine but after ten minutes or so, it just drags on and on and on. By the halfway point, I thought for sure I'd rank El violín higher than this film because a boring film that's roughly over two hours long is worse than a boring film that's roughly over 90 minutes long because that's 30 more minutes of complete boredom. In the end, I did not care for either film. But Sanatorium pod klepsydra did have some beautifully shot scenes with music that compliment the scenes even if the scenes that comes afterwards every single time are dreadfully boring. And the beautiful shots are enough to put the film over the edge compared to a film I barely remember but agonized in what few memories I have of the film.

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Post by hurluberlu » May 23rd, 2020, 7:42 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra 8+ (watched before WC)
2. El violín 7-
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Post by Mario Gaborović » May 24th, 2020, 2:26 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą
2. El violín

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Post by Mario Gaborović » May 24th, 2020, 2:28 pm

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Post by pitchorneirda » May 24th, 2020, 10:43 pm

1. El violín
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą

Two underwhelming movies for me; El violín was the one that kept me awake for the longest time
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Post by Smoover » May 25th, 2020, 11:24 am

1. El violín 7.0
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą 6.5

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Post by zzzorf » May 25th, 2020, 1:03 pm

1. El violín 6/10
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą 5/10

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Post by filmbantha » May 26th, 2020, 3:18 pm

This is the first time I have seen both films before a WC match and they are excellent picks. I hope this is an indicator of the quality of the films I have yet to watch in the second round!

It was a close call, both are strong 7/10s for me but The Hourglass Sanatorium is higher on my ratings list, if only by a small margin.

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Post by sortile9io » May 27th, 2020, 1:15 pm

Rare occasion for me too, seeing all the films in the match previously (2016-17) and keeping some notes I wrote then. There is plenty of fantasy, symbolism and gorgeous visuals in the Polish film, they make it singular, sometimes a reminder of Jodorowsky's works, but ultimately tedious, as others said before. Quite the opposite, El violín is simple and straightforward, and, despite the hazardous life of the lead characters, it has a calm mood that I enjoyed. So:

1. El violín — 6/10
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydra — 5/10

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Post by Armoreska » May 27th, 2020, 10:20 pm

Sanatorium pod klepsydra sure doesn't look like a 5/10 from the start. Looks like about one of the most atmospheric films so far.
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Post by cayado-coro » May 28th, 2020, 2:50 pm

1. Poland - The Hourglass Sanatorium
2. Mexico - The Violin

Very tight. THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT would have been a clear winner, but SANATORIUM has some narrative flaws. Even so its Poe-esque imaginery is unforgettable.

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Post by Gorro » May 28th, 2020, 10:08 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą
2. El violín

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Post by clemmetarey » May 28th, 2020, 10:33 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra 6/10
2. El violin 5/10

Santorium was a bit boring at time but get extra point for originality.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » May 29th, 2020, 1:26 am

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Post by sacmersault » May 30th, 2020, 12:24 am

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2. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą

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Post by zhangalan » May 30th, 2020, 5:47 am

1. El violín
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą

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Post by kingink » May 30th, 2020, 2:16 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra 8/10
2. El violín 7/10

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Post by jvv » May 30th, 2020, 3:03 pm

Pretty close match for me:

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2. El violín

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Post by Traveller » May 30th, 2020, 4:11 pm

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Post by edward5 » June 2nd, 2020, 2:53 am

1. El violín
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydrą

two really good movies. A close match.

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Post by Armoreska » June 2nd, 2020, 12:57 pm

Sanatorium pod klepsydra 8
El violin 7+
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Post by Mario Gaborović » June 2nd, 2020, 12:59 pm

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El violin 7+
Per IMDb, the actor won 3 awards out of 3 nominations out of a 1-movie career a few years before death.
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Post by kongs_speech » June 2nd, 2020, 10:05 pm

The deadline is getting pretty close. Anybody mind sending me these films? If not, that's cool too. Don't wanna inconvenience anybody.
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Post by Fergenaprido » June 3rd, 2020, 6:32 pm

1. The Violin - 7ish
2. The Hourglass Sanatorium - 3-4ish

Sanatorium was uninteresting to me. Didn't care for the aesthetic, or the story, or anything, really. And this quote from someone's review on imdb caught my eye - "The sleazy shots of half-naked women are a nice touch" - and I find it quite disturbing. The comment itself is sleazy, and I was baffled by the decision to make all of the women except the mother have their clothes often open/barely covering their bodies. Seemed unnecessary. Overall, I disliked this film, but I'm not sure if it's the film I really detested or the book that it's based on (since I don't know how faithful the film is to the book).

Violin was a tough watch from the get-go, but thankfully it mellowed out after about 10 minutes. Some misses here and there, and I didn't think the story wrapped up as well as it could have in the end (not that every loose end needed to be tied up) even though I did like the ending for the most part. I'm on the fence about whether or not the black-and-white cinematography was a good or bad idea, but the acting and music were both enjoyable, and I thought the story was an important one that isn't often told (though maybe it's really common in Mexican cinema and I'm just unaware).

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Post by beavis » June 3rd, 2020, 7:20 pm

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra - 8
2. El violín - 7,5

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Post by Angel Glez » June 3rd, 2020, 8:02 pm

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Post by burneyfan » June 3rd, 2020, 8:09 pm

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2. Sanatorium pod klepsydra

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Post by blocho » June 4th, 2020, 5:04 am

1. El Violin
2. Sanatorium pod klepsydra

Sanatorium has some of the best mise-en-scene I've ever seen. From sets to costumes to lighting, everything is a wondrous cabinet of curiosities. On the other hand, most of the movie passed without me having a single clue what anyone was talking about. (Incidentally, I've felt similarly about many other Polish movies, such as O-bi O-ba, Austeria, Petla, Third Part of the Night). I suppose that's the point - the movie is more about sensory experience than dialogue, but as a result there's no narrative or dramatic tension. And El Violin has plenty of both.

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Post by kongs_speech » June 4th, 2020, 7:42 pm

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Post by Mario Gaborović » June 4th, 2020, 10:35 pm

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Post by weirdboy » June 5th, 2020, 1:00 am

1. Sanatorium pod klepsydra AKA The Hourglass Sanitorium (1973) - Wojciech Has [re-watch]
2. El violín AKA The Violin (2005) - Francisco Vargas

Great match! I hope they are all like this.

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Post by joachimt » June 5th, 2020, 4:59 am

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