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iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 10:43 am
by joachimt
Welcome to the schedule of iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2.
If you don't know what this is, you can find everything about the World Cup here.

Rules in this round:
- You must watch both films of a match before you vote.
- To vote, rank the films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)
- The winner of each match will proceed to the next round.
- The winners of the match is the movie with the most #1-votes.
- If there's a tie the match will have a 3 day extension. If there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
- Don't vote in this thread. Each match will have its own thread according to the schedule.

ICM-list of all movies in this World Cup

Round 2 scheduleShow
Match A: 2020-5-21 till 2020-6-4Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
PolandSanatorium pod klepsydraThe Hourglass Sanatorium1973sebbylinklink
MexicoEl violínThe Violin200572aicmlinklink
Match B: 2020-5-31 till 2020-6-14Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
TajikistanBihisht faqat baroi murdagonTo Get to Heaven First You Have to Die2006clemmetareylinklink
ItalyDogman2018hurluberlulinklink
Match C: 2020-6-11 till 2020-6-25Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
SenegalTouki Bouki1973Fergenapridolinklink
GreeceTo proxenio tis AnnasThe Matchmaking of Anna1972burneyfanlinklink
Match D: 2020-6-21 till 2020-7-5Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
EstoniaNovember2017jvvlinklink
SpainLa cazaThe Hunt1966PeacefulAnarchylinklink
Match E: 2020-7-2 till 2020-7-16Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
GeorgiaSimindis kundzuliCorn Island2014zzzorflinklink
UkraineDorogoy tsenoyThe Horse That Cried1957Angel Glezlinklink
Match F: 2020-7-12 till 2020-7-26Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
GermanySpur der SteineTrace of Stones1966klaus78linklink
IranDavandehThe Runner1984Nathan Treadwaylinklink
Match G: 2020-7-23 till 2020-8-6Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
RussiaPisma myortvogo chelovekaDead Man's Letters1986Gorrolinklink
PortugalManoel dans l'île des merveillesManuel on the Island of Wonders1984Pgonzalezlinklink
Match H: 2020-8-2 till 2020-8-16Show
CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
IndiaVisaaranaiInterrogation2015Riteshlinklink
CubaNadaNothing More2001sacmersaultlinklink

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 10:56 am
by 72aicm
Seen 9 entries this round, looking forward to the rest :)

Gl to me having to fight a 700 checked movie on seven lists, including DtC and TSPDT 1001-2000. :rolleyes:

:cheers:

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 11:54 am
by Fergenaprido
Fierce-looking round! I've only seen 2 (Senegal & India), but I've heard of most of the rest.

I'm looking forward to this round.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:00 pm
by beavis
Manoel dans l'île des merveilles, the three episode tv-series is not too long? not sure the feature version cut down from it can be found anyway... :)
I have been delaying to see this one for ages, because the quality of what can be found on the net seems horrible to me. And at the time when Ruiz restaurations are slowly being prepared I'd hate dipping into this on an nth degree vhs-dupe... might have to the first WC-round in a long time I'll be forced to skip... unless, fingers crossed, you'll point us in the direction of something good!!

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:06 pm
by clemmetarey
I've only seen 2 as well (Tajikistan and Senegal), lots of interesting pick, can't wait to get started!

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:09 pm
by mjf314
beavis wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:00 pm
Manoel dans l'île des merveilles, the three episode tv-series is not too long? not sure the feature version cut down from it can be found anyway... :)
I have been delaying to see this one for ages, because the quality of what can be found on the net seems horrible to me. And at the time when Ruiz restaurations are slowly being prepared I'd hate dipping into this on an nth degree vhs-dupe... might have to the first WC-round in a long time I'll be forced to skip... unless, fingers crossed, you'll point us in the direction of something good!!
It's less than 3 hours in total, so it's eligible. I watched it recently and the quality wasn't bad.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:12 pm
by beavis
where did you watch it on/from?

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:17 pm
by funkybusiness
the newer web-sourced (I think? from an archive of some sort maybe?) copy of Manoel is a lot better than the old tv rip. it's not great resolution, 512,384, but it looks fine full-screen. no hard-coded subtitles either.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:23 pm
by beavis
I have found something websourced, but without screencaps, so I will check it out (total size seems small for three hours though... not hopefull... yet :))

btw I also looked up my scores for the 10 movies I've seen from the selection, and it is surprisingly nice I must say!! one 8.5, three 8 and the other six 7.5
If the other movies are just as good for me this looks to be a vEry solid round (so I am really getting my fingers crossed for Ruiz now... still thinking "why?!?"... :))

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 12:57 pm
by sebby
72aicm wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:56 am
Seen 9 entries this round, looking forward to the rest :)

Gl to me having to fight a 700 checked movie on seven lists, including DtC and TSPDT 1001-2000. :rolleyes:

:cheers:
Well it's not exactly Poland's Shawshank. "Difficult" films are a roll of the dice. I only really nominated it to motivate myself to rewatch it. I think I gave it a 5/10 the first go-round. Purely a selfish tactic, compared to other rounds where I was trying to promote atypical underground treasures.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 1:30 pm
by weirdboy
I too have already seen several of the films this round, but looking forward to some rewatches. I've been meaning to rewatch Hourglass Sanitorium for a while now anyway.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 2:39 pm
by filmbantha
I've seen five of the nominations, most of which are very good so this looks like it could be a closely fought round. There are a few I've been meaning to watch for a while and some that I haven't heard of so really looking forward to working my way through these selections.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 3:01 pm
by joachimt
beavis wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:00 pm
Manoel dans l'île des merveilles, the three episode tv-series is not too long?
53+48+50

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 3:33 pm
by beavis
joachimt wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 3:01 pm
beavis wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:00 pm
Manoel dans l'île des merveilles, the three episode tv-series is not too long?
53+48+50
yup, Imdb lists a longer time, but that is I think for a 4 episode version that is as unavailable as the theatrical cut
I've done my searching, found something at least decent, so decided to plunge for it afterall, and since I've already seen three Ruiz movies this month and spend a lot of time on it now, might aswell jump in straigth away tonight :)

still with something episodic, with different versions, it being meant for children, nothing restored available now, but Ruiz restaurations rumored to being in the works for a few(?) of his movies... this better be something very special, grrr ;) (love Ruiz, so I'm sure I'll at least like this... no worries)

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 5:10 pm
by PGonzalez
beavis wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 3:33 pm
yup, Imdb lists a longer time, but that is I think for a 4 episode version that is as unavailable as the theatrical cut
I've done my searching, found something at least decent, so decided to plunge for it afterall, and since I've already seen three Ruiz movies this month and spend a lot of time on it now, might aswell jump in straigth away tonight :)

still with something episodic, with different versions, it being meant for children, nothing restored available now, but Ruiz restaurations rumored to being in the works for a few(?) of his movies... this better be something very special, grrr ;) (love Ruiz, so I'm sure I'll at least like this... no worries)
Russia brought out the big guns, so you'd better enjoy it - Portugal needs every vote it can get :lol:

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 5:11 pm
by joachimt
What graph would you prefer for the head-to-head-matches?

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I'll just put a score of 1 for the movie that gets the vote from a voters. The first graph shows the total number of votes. The second graph show the average vote (the average of all the 1's and 0's).

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 6:07 pm
by PeacefulAnarchy
I prefer the first but they're both fine.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 6:16 pm
by joachimt
I think I prefer the first as well. The problem with the second is that the changes will get smaller and smaller after a while. That was the case with the graphs in round 1 as well, but that made more sense with four movies and the scoring system.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 6:24 pm
by mjf314
joachimt wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 6:16 pm
I think I prefer the first as well. The problem with the second is that the changes will get smaller and smaller after a while. That was the case with the graphs in round 1 as well, but that made more sense with four movies and the scoring system.
It would be possible to make a similar graph for 4-way matches, if you use a point system (#1 = 3 points, #2 = 2 points, #3 = 1 point, #4 = 0 points). I'm not sure if it would look better than the average rank graph, but maybe it's worth a try.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 6:29 pm
by joachimt
mjf314 wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 6:24 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 6:16 pm
I think I prefer the first as well. The problem with the second is that the changes will get smaller and smaller after a while. That was the case with the graphs in round 1 as well, but that made more sense with four movies and the scoring system.
It would be possible to make a similar graph for 4-way matches, if you use a point system (#1 = 3 points, #2 = 2 points, #3 = 1 point, #4 = 0 points). I'm not sure if it would look better than the average rank graph, but maybe it's worth a try.
Sure. Maybe in season 5.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 20th, 2020, 10:34 pm
by 72aicm
sebby wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:57 pm
72aicm wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:56 am
Seen 9 entries this round, looking forward to the rest :)

Gl to me having to fight a 700 checked movie on seven lists, including DtC and TSPDT 1001-2000. :rolleyes:

:cheers:
Well it's not exactly Poland's Shawshank.
Fair, and I’m not complaining btw. Just pointing out that Mexico have an uphill battle to fight. Same with Greece I suppose.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 21st, 2020, 9:10 am
by hurluberlu
Competition is heating up… all films but three are on official lists. Good to see there are plenty from the 21st century instead of the usual 50s-60s though.

Seen 6/15, two are favorites.

Have fun everyone !

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 21st, 2020, 8:25 pm
by Armoreska
Spain picked just the movie for me to vote against, not a fan of its competition but it sure got lucky.

Georgia might become the Egypt of this season.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 21st, 2020, 8:27 pm
by PeacefulAnarchy
Armoreska wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 8:25 pm
Spain picked just the movie for me to vote against, not a fan of its competition but it sure got lucky.
It's a bit risky since I know the hunting scenes will put some people off, but the film isn't really in favour of it and I think it ends up working thematically.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 21st, 2020, 8:29 pm
by tommy_leazaq
Great list of films. Almost tempting me to come out of WC hiatus with films like Hourgalss, November, Corn island. And, Visaaranai would be my choice had India entered QF last season so eager to see how its going to do.

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 22nd, 2020, 10:30 am
by zzzorf
Armoreska wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 8:25 pm
Georgia might become the Egypt of this season.
As I wasn't involved in previous seasons I am not sure what this refers to. I'm guessing something along the lines of a surprise high finish?

Re: iCM Forum World Cup - Season 4 - Round 2 schedule

Posted: May 22nd, 2020, 6:20 pm
by Mario Gaborović
zzzorf wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 10:30 am
Armoreska wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 8:25 pm
Georgia might become the Egypt of this season.
As I wasn't involved in previous seasons I am not sure what this refers to. I'm guessing something along the lines of a surprise high finish?
Yes. Egypt finished 4th. What's more, out of 48 countries.