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Re: AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies Rankdown (Round 10, #17-#7)

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Post by mightysparks » June 14th, 2020, 3:15 pm

I felt like having a ballot round would be the fairest. The rules say 11 cuts must be made, but the whole point of rule 3 is to ensure the last cut can’t be made by one person. I’d say that if that’s the case, the second rule comes into place because that round cannot be a cutting round if we apply rule 3.
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#602

Post by jvv » June 14th, 2020, 4:15 pm

I'm in favor of having a ballot round as well.

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#603

Post by cinewest » June 14th, 2020, 4:17 pm

sol wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 1:53 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 1:35 pm
only 4 others in the competition have escaped attack up until now: Sunset Boulevard, All About Eve, Sunrise, and Pulp Fiction
Five? Nobody has tried to get rid of Dr Strangelove. Yet.
"I still think that Kubrick has a very good chance of winning, as someone may yet save 2001 (though you have done your best there, as well), and he has another that has skated through untouched, so far."

I think you missed this part of my post. Dr. Strangelove + the "4 others" makes 5.

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Post by cinewest » June 14th, 2020, 4:25 pm

mightysparks wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 3:15 pm
I felt like having a ballot round would be the fairest. The rules say 11 cuts must be made, but the whole point of rule 3 is to ensure the last cut can’t be made by one person. I’d say that if that’s the case, the second rule comes into place because that round cannot be a cutting round if we apply rule 3.
The last cut would practically be a formality. With only two films remaining, the final "slasher" will have missed taking part in almost the entire final elimination process apart from the final cut. And it with mathiasa in the 11 hole, the game is sure to have added, delayed suspense.

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#605

Post by brokenface » June 14th, 2020, 4:33 pm

I don't feel strongly but i lean towards liking ending with cutting, since it's been a cutting game all through. Makes it different from the usual games here and might be more likely to lead to a surprise winner

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#606

Post by Onderhond » June 14th, 2020, 5:25 pm

I'll be fine with whatever decision, but the current rules stated in post one seem to call for a ballot in the next round. Like you say though, silly forum game, not going to make a real stance :)

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#607

Post by sol » June 14th, 2020, 11:12 pm

cinewest wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 4:17 pm
"I still think that Kubrick has a very good chance of winning, as someone may yet save 2001 (though you have done your best there, as well), and he has another that has skated through untouched, so far."

I think you missed this part of my post. Dr. Strangelove + the "4 others" makes 5.
Oh... right you are. Oops. :facepalm:

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June 14th, 2020, 4:33 pm
I don't feel strongly but i lean towards liking ending with cutting, since it's been a cutting game all through. Makes it different from the usual games here and might be more likely to lead to a surprise winner
I agree with this. Although, like brokenface, I don't feel too strongly about it.


By the way, beasterne, I did ask above to be added to the wait-list for Round 2 since the Academy Award Best Picture nominees was my own suggestion. But I will vacate the position if others who haven't played yet want to play. :)
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#608

Post by beasterne » June 15th, 2020, 12:39 am

sol wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 11:12 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 4:17 pm
"I still think that Kubrick has a very good chance of winning, as someone may yet save 2001 (though you have done your best there, as well), and he has another that has skated through untouched, so far."

I think you missed this part of my post. Dr. Strangelove + the "4 others" makes 5.
Oh... right you are. Oops. :facepalm:

brokenface wrote:
June 14th, 2020, 4:33 pm
I don't feel strongly but i lean towards liking ending with cutting, since it's been a cutting game all through. Makes it different from the usual games here and might be more likely to lead to a surprise winner
I agree with this. Although, like brokenface, I don't feel too strongly about it.


By the way, beasterne, I did ask above to be added to the wait-list for Round 2 since the Academy Award Best Picture nominees was my own suggestion. But I will vacate the position if others who haven't played yet want to play. :)
You’re added!

Also, seems like it’s split about 50/50 right now on opinions for how to run the next round. But we also need to see how many vetoes are used, so nothing’s set in stone yet.

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#609

Post by jeroeno » June 15th, 2020, 6:02 am

I vote for sticking to the final ballot right after this round. After mathiasa makes his cut, take 24 hours for the final vetoes and 24 hours for the final ballot and we're done.

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#610

Post by cinewest » June 15th, 2020, 6:19 am

Or, you could go reality TV style and vote as a group to remove a few films (1 by 1) until you reach a set number that you want to rank.

Personally, I’m kind of curious about what anOther elimination round yield.

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Post by Onderhond » June 15th, 2020, 7:51 am

cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 6:19 am
Or, you could go reality TV style and vote as a group to remove a few films (1 by 1) until you reach a set number that you want to rank.
That only really works when people can pull shit in between elimination rounds. Not sure what these films could do to change people's minds in between voting rounds.

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Post by jvv » June 15th, 2020, 8:42 am

beasterne wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 12:39 am
[Also, seems like it’s split about 50/50 right now on opinions for how to run the next round. But we also need to see how many vetoes are used, so nothing’s set in stone yet.
But the way the next round will be played influences how I will use my veto. If it's another cutting round I will save my veto, if it's a ballot round I will use my veto now.

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Post by Onderhond » June 15th, 2020, 9:01 am

Well, you won't really know what the next round will be, depending on how others are going to use their remaining veto.
So much intrigue!

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Post by cinewest » June 15th, 2020, 10:40 am

I like it!

Short of the Game maker stepping in and simply declaring, "no vetoes after this round," that would make gamesmanship, involving the clock, the governor of how the last round will play out.

Much of the potential excitement disappears, however, when you realize that If anyone doesn't use their veto now they won't get to use it in the next round because one withheld veto creates a "ballot" round, whereas another elimination round is only created if everyone uses their veto this round.

In essence, short of a "gamesmaker mandate" the players will determine the nature of the final round by their own collective action, which seems apropos to me....

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#615

Post by jvv » June 15th, 2020, 10:52 am

The thing is, we haven't decided yet if everybody using their veto results in a ballot or an elimination round.

It also would not be fair to let using/not using vetos decide that, because some people have already used all their vetos.

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#616

Post by blocho » June 15th, 2020, 2:44 pm

May I suggest that if our final round (balloting) has 12 movies, that we come up with a system where people can choose a top three? 3 points for their first pick, 2 for their second, and 1 for their third.

If we instead just tell people to pick one movie, we'll end up with a a 3-way tied for first between movies that all have two votes.

Also, are we all just waiting on Mathias?

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Post by Onderhond » June 15th, 2020, 2:50 pm

:facepalm:

I didn't realize it was just Mathias left. He can't cut Spike's film this round so I won't need my last veto then, so all this speculation is pretty much for nothing! Sorry I didn't realize this earlier.

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#618

Post by beasterne » June 15th, 2020, 2:51 pm

The only way we can settle this is with good old-fashioned democracy. Participants only on this vote, and it will take 6 votes to carry the day.

The question: If there are 12 movies and no vetoes remaining at the beginning of the next round, should we 1) have one more cutting round, with 11 cuts and the last film left being the champion? or 2) have a ballot round, where participants submit a ballot of the 12 movies ranked in order?

Here are the votes that I have already counted in the thread. Please let me know if you need to make any changes to the below:

Votes for 1)
beasterne
brokenface
sol

Votes for 2)
mightysparks
jvv
Onderhond (says fine either way, but as the rules were written in OP 2) should be the correct course of action)
jeroeno

Also, as an aside, does anyone have any thoughts about how the ballots should be tallied? My plan is to ask for a ranked ballot, in order, with no ties and no extra points awarded to first place. So if there are 10 movies, first place gets 10 points and 10th place gets 1 point. But are there any other, better systems out there? Things like allowing ties, giving extra points for first place, or no/negative points for last place? Thoughts?



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June 15th, 2020, 2:44 pm
May I suggest that if our final round (balloting) has 12 movies, that we come up with a system where people can choose a top three? 3 points for their first pick, 2 for their second, and 1 for their third.

If we instead just tell people to pick one movie, we'll end up with a a 3-way tied for first between movies that all have two votes.

Also, are we all just waiting on Mathias?
Ah, this gets at my question above. What are your thoughts on having that ranked ballot of all films left in the ballot phase? What are the pros/cons to submitting a top 3?

And yes, we're just waiting on mathiasa....he knows how to build suspense :D

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Post by beasterne » June 15th, 2020, 2:56 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 2:50 pm
:facepalm:

I didn't realize it was just Mathias left. He can't cut Spike's film this round so I won't need my last veto then, so all this speculation is pretty much for nothing! Sorry I didn't realize this earlier.
:circle: :circle: :circle:

If you're promising you won't use your veto, then the most films we would have left going into the next round would be 11, which would trigger the ballot phase and leave our discussion moot. However, you could be bluffing, and that would definitely be a valid piece of strategy on your part...

I think it's still worthwhile to have the discussion, if for nothing else than to provide clarity for the next rankdown game we play.

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Post by Onderhond » June 15th, 2020, 3:04 pm

I honestly have no reason to veto. My highest-rated remaining films are Pulp Fiction and Sunrise (both 2.5*), not really in the range of film I'd want to save.
I only played on two films this game, Do the Right Thing and Blade Runner.

But have the discussion! Just don't make it too heated, because I promise you nothing will come of it (apart from ideas for the next game) :)

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#621

Post by jeff_v » June 15th, 2020, 4:06 pm

Option #1 would lead to a less predictable outcome, so I'm curious to try it.

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Post by cinewest » June 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 2:50 pm
:facepalm:

I didn't realize it was just Mathias left. He can't cut Spike's film this round so I won't need my last veto then, so all this speculation is pretty much for nothing! Sorry I didn't realize this earlier.
I tried to make you aware of that in an earlier post (#598)
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#623

Post by Onderhond » June 15th, 2020, 4:26 pm

cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
I tried to make you aware of that in an earlier post
I was having too much fun with the possible intrigue!

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Post by cinewest » June 15th, 2020, 4:30 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 4:26 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
I tried to make you aware of that in an earlier post
I was having too much fun with the possible intrigue!
It did get exciting there for a minute, even as mathiasa seems to be trying to lull everyone to sleep (or drum up concern- there was mention of a hospital during last round's lull) by disappearing.

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Post by beasterne » June 16th, 2020, 9:50 pm

cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 4:30 pm
Onderhond wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 4:26 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2020, 4:25 pm
I tried to make you aware of that in an earlier post
I was having too much fun with the possible intrigue!
It did get exciting there for a minute, even as mathiasa seems to be trying to lull everyone to sleep (or drum up concern- there was mention of a hospital during last round's lull) by disappearing.
I just took a look at mathiasa's ICM profile and he's still checking movies at the moment (Mrs. Miniver was checked an hour ago), so hopefully everything's okay. I sent him a reminder on ICM to check this thread, hopefully he sees it and gets in here to make his last cut!

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Post by mathiasa » June 17th, 2020, 10:49 am

It's Do The Right Thing for me again. I'm fine with whatever you chose for the next round!

AFI List (what's left)Show
3. Casablanca
5. Singin' in the Rain
11. City Lights
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
21. Chinatown
23. The Grapes of Wrath
28. All About Eve
30. Apocalypse Now
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
61. Sullivan's Travels
64. Network
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
94. Pulp Fiction
96. Do the Right Thing


Whose turn is it?Show
1. toromash
2. sol (1 veto left)
3. Onderhond (1 veto left)
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno (1 veto left)
6. jvv (1 veto left)
7. brokenface (1 veto left)
8. beasterne
9. blocho (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa

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Post by sol » June 17th, 2020, 11:02 am

mathiasa wrote:
June 17th, 2020, 10:49 am
It's Do The Right Thing for me again. I'm fine with whatever you chose for the next round!

AFI List (what's left)Show
3. Casablanca
5. Singin' in the Rain
11. City Lights
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
21. Chinatown
23. The Grapes of Wrath
28. All About Eve
30. Apocalypse Now
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
61. Sullivan's Travels
64. Network
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
94. Pulp Fiction
96. Do the Right Thing
Yeah, um, one of the rules that was put in place a few rounds ago was not being able to cut the same movie two rounds in a row, so you need to choose something else. :ermm:
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Post by Onderhond » June 17th, 2020, 11:03 am

mathiasa wrote:
June 17th, 2020, 10:49 am
It's Do The Right Thing for me again. I'm fine with whatever you chose for the next round!
Dude, you can't cut it again and you already cut it in the previous round :D

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Post by cinewest » June 17th, 2020, 11:15 am

Let's hope it doesn't take another 3 days for the amended cut

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Post by cinewest » June 17th, 2020, 11:15 am

double post for added emphasis :D

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Post by mathiasa » June 17th, 2020, 7:32 pm

OK, next try! This time it's All about Eve.

AFI List (what's left)Show
3. Casablanca
5. Singin' in the Rain
11. City Lights
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
21. Chinatown
23. The Grapes of Wrath
28. All About Eve
30. Apocalypse Now
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
61. Sullivan's Travels
64. Network
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
94. Pulp Fiction
96. Do the Right Thing


Whose turn is it?Show
1. toromash
2. sol (1 veto left)
3. Onderhond (1 veto left)
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno (1 veto left)
6. jvv (1 veto left)
7. brokenface (1 veto left)
8. beasterne
9. blocho (1 veto left)
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa

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Post by brokenface » June 17th, 2020, 8:00 pm

So I guess it's final veto time? I'm going to get Apocalypse Now back in the mix. The 70s need to represent in the final round and it's a stunning film.

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Post by blocho » June 17th, 2020, 9:20 pm

I was going to veto Apocalypse Now, but since brokenface took care of that, my veto goes to 2001.


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Post by brokenface » June 17th, 2020, 10:00 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 17th, 2020, 9:25 pm
Damn you brokenface! :guns:
2001 was my 2nd choice to save, so either way :guns:

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Post by Onderhond » June 17th, 2020, 10:01 pm

Yes, but blocho was going to save AN over 2001!

Edit: ah! So the :guns: still goes :D

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Post by brokenface » June 17th, 2020, 10:09 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 17th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Yes, but blocho was going to save AN over 2001!

Edit: ah! So the :guns: still goes :D
tehe took me a min to realise why you were blaming me!

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Post by Onderhond » June 17th, 2020, 10:21 pm

So 3 vetoes remaining! I'm sticking to my promise I won't use my final veto.

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Post by cinewest » June 17th, 2020, 11:55 pm

I hope someone saves Chinatown, which like so many revisionist genre films of the 70's is probably the best of its type.

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Post by AB537 » June 17th, 2020, 11:58 pm

cinewest wrote:
June 17th, 2020, 11:55 pm
I hope someone saves Chinatown, which like so many revisionist genre films of the 70's is probably the best of its type.
I ranked Chinatown #1 in this year's ICM Favourites poll. Pulp Fiction and Apocalypse Now were also in my top 4, and Dr. Strangelove was #11. So in my opinion several of the all time greats left - I also had Casablanca pretty high.

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