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AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies Rankdown (Round 7, #46-#36)

500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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Re: AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies Rankdown (Round 2, #90-#82)

#121

Post by jvv » May 12th, 2020, 9:30 pm

When did Raging Bull got cut?

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#122

Post by beasterne » May 12th, 2020, 9:33 pm

jvv wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 9:30 pm
When did Raging Bull got cut?
Whoops, that's my fault. I was considering cutting Raging Bull, but decided against it. Apparently I still put the strike in list though. Here's the right list.
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1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbord
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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#123

Post by mathiasa » May 12th, 2020, 9:42 pm

@ OldAle1: Totally disagree with what you‘re saying, but replying to your post would mean to hijack this thread, so I‘m happy to leave it at that.


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#124

Post by OldAle1 » May 12th, 2020, 9:47 pm

mathiasa wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 9:42 pm
@ OldAle1: Totally disagree with what you‘re saying, but replying to your post would mean to hijack this thread, so I‘m happy to leave it at that.


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I‘m going to bed now, I hope it won‘t be my turn before I wake up.
Given that you have nice things to say about Murray Rothbard, I think it's fair to say that we probably have diametrically opposed worldviews, and given that I'm not even willing to enter any political forums these days - probably a good idea not to take it any further yeah.

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#125

Post by mightysparks » May 13th, 2020, 12:40 am

Onderhond wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 9:24 pm
PGonzalez wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Yes, a director that's famous for being misanthropic is indeed misanthropic. That's why when he makes a movie where the most identifiable, individualized and downright human character is a computer, I think that taking that to mean that he's an alarmist technophobe is a stretch.
Since all technology is human-made, I think it's a logical conclusion.
But I also fail to see HAL as an extremely identifiable or "downright human" character. Maybe it's different when you also read the book, in the film he's an extremely basic computer AI going haywire.

PGonzalez wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 7:01 pm
You don't have to convince me about the emptiness of Dead Leaves, I fully agree with you there. But I think you do it a disservice when you say it shouldn't be brought into a discussion about how movies represent technology just because its director didn't think about that, or didn't highlight it. Mad Max: Fury Road is a similarly empty, 100% entertainment-driven film that can nevertheless be analysed as a product of its time and place, both formally and thematically, in terms of how it approaches violence, gender dynamics, environmental concerns, etc. Dead Leaves can too, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to do so when it comes to a lot of things that are usually pointed as negative tropes of anime: the sexualization of female characters, the use of violence for shits and giggles, and the use of cyber-doom to represent evil, among others. To think that a film can't be analysed just because its director made it as a joke is something I can't understand, because you're nullifying all the remaining cultural environment that informed and enabled his world view.
Maybe because I think equating a film with a director's "world view" is madness. I understand that some people love to dissect everything and derive a lot of fun from that. Don't want to take it away from them either, but it would be good to realize that there's very little verifiable truth in such an analysis. Mostly it just ends up reflecting a person's own hang-ups.
I couldn't care less about a director's 'world view', the director is basically irrelevant to me, but I don't understand why this has anything to do with analysing a film? The point of analysis to find out what you as an individual got out of it and saw in that film, not what the director 'tried' to do or finding some verifiable truth.

I also don't see 2001 as 'techno-doom' at all, to me that film is pure humanity.
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#126

Post by blocho » May 13th, 2020, 3:56 am

beasterne wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 9:26 pm
blocho's wrath is up next!
Indeed! So many movies to eliminate, so many to protect.

My next cut is Gone with the Wind. There are some bad things to say about the writing of this movie and some good things to say about the photography. And a dozen other positive and negative remarks that for most other movies would be necessary to elaborate. But none of that matters. What does matter is three and a half hours of parboiled lost cause romanticism. It's enough to wretch, which I didn't when I saw this movie, though I admit a creeping feeling of horror and revulsion. Indeed, I think the movie makes for a turgid historical epic, but a somewhat effective horror movie.

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1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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#127

Post by Onderhond » May 13th, 2020, 7:51 am

mightysparks wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 12:40 am
I couldn't care less about a director's 'world view', the director is basically irrelevant to me, but I don't understand why this has anything to do with analysing a film? The point of analysis to find out what you as an individual got out of it and saw in that film, not what the director 'tried' to do or finding some verifiable truth.
Both are valid ways to analyse film, neither one interests me very much (unless you see "got out of it" as a broader statement, not purely an intellectual one). The films that actually have something interesting to tell are quite rare.

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Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 9:23 am

OldAle1 wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 9:47 pm
mathiasa wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 9:42 pm
@ OldAle1: Totally disagree with what you‘re saying, but replying to your post would mean to hijack this thread, so I‘m happy to leave it at that.


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I‘m going to bed now, I hope it won‘t be my turn before I wake up.
Given that you have nice things to say about Murray Rothbard, I think it's fair to say that we probably have diametrically opposed worldviews, and given that I'm not even willing to enter any political forums these days - probably a good idea not to take it any further yeah.

Oh, don‘t be so hard on yourself! I‘m sure you have some commonalities with me - I‘m sure you‘re fe not pro-slavery or pro-war. Regarding Rothbard, you have misunderstood me: When I said he‘s a favorite I was only referring to my respect for the discoveries he made in different fields (monopoly-theory, contract theory, power-analysis, ...), I‘m not giving out niceties or meanies, that‘s not my style. But I can understand that misunderstanding, I get it a lot, it‘s not uncommon if you‘re not interested in social sciences. So no hard feelings on my part!

I think it‘s very wise to stay off political forums: they‘re full of self-important people who take themselves for god. That‘s probably also why they never have to read a book or two to understand something. I feel more challenged if I talk to myself.

-——


Seen Swing Time and The Network this morning. Good movies. Now all I have left is Sophie‘s Choice. I hope I manage to watch it tomorrow.

Also happy to see Yankee Doodle Dandy go. I rated 4.7/10 which is very low for a movie like that. I guess I also have downrated it because of its pro-war stance. Despicable.
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#129

Post by cinewest » May 13th, 2020, 9:42 am

Onderhond wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:51 am
mightysparks wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 12:40 am
I couldn't care less about a director's 'world view', the director is basically irrelevant to me, but I don't understand why this has anything to do with analysing a film? The point of analysis to find out what you as an individual got out of it and saw in that film, not what the director 'tried' to do or finding some verifiable truth.
Both are valid ways to analyse film, neither one interests me very much (unless you see "got out of it" as a broader statement, not purely an intellectual one). The films that actually have something interesting to tell are quite rare.
I disagree, completely. One of the things that attracted me so much to film, and has held my interest as an adult, is its ability to transmit and express things about life, not so much through words, but through a combination of motion pictures conjoined with a soundscape (inclusive of words, sounds, music, silence, etc.) which can evoke a complex mental / emotional experience / response. Filmmakers like Kieslowski* and Malick come to mind.

Obviously not talking about a film like Mad Max: Fury road, which appeals to something else almost entirely (and is completely vacuous of complex mental or emotional activity) apart from the imaginary world it creates as a backdrop and however that stimulates the brain.

* I recently posted a short review of Kieslowski's Blue in a conversation with Prodigalgodson that gets into some of what I'm talking about.
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#130

Post by prodigalgodson » May 13th, 2020, 10:19 am

Holy moly this thread is bonkers :satstunned:

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Post by beasterne » May 13th, 2020, 12:46 pm

Next is mightysparks, and then mathiasa to close out the round!

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Post by Onderhond » May 13th, 2020, 1:56 pm

cinewest wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 9:42 am
I disagree, completely. One of the things that attracted me so much to film, and has held my interest as an adult, is its ability to transmit and express things about life, not so much through words, but through a combination of motion pictures conjoined with a soundscape (inclusive of words, sounds, music, silence, etc.) which can evoke a complex mental / emotional experience / response. Filmmakers like Kieslowski* and Malick come to mind.
Fair enough, I just don't see cinema as a very valuable medium in that regard. To each his own of course.

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Post by beasterne » May 13th, 2020, 2:20 pm

prodigalgodson wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 10:19 am
Holy moly this thread is bonkers :satstunned:
It's been fun to see the discussions! I think everyone's being very reasonable and respectful of others' opinions while still making a case for their own. But these are definitely the conversations that happen when people are cutting others' favorites, rather than voting for their own...it can get heated :circle:

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Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 3:09 pm

If you think this is bonkers or heated wait till my double edged sword strikes! get your vetoes ready. time to party :party:

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Post by mightysparks » May 13th, 2020, 3:22 pm

I figure I should get mine before I fall asleep.. I’m cutting Sullivan’s Travels. Just a dumb slapstick comedy where people fall over a lot that isn’t at all funny. No thanks.

Too hard to copy the list on my phone sorry Blocho I’ll just have to face your wrath
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Post by Onderhond » May 13th, 2020, 3:27 pm

There we go:
AFI moviesShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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Post by beasterne » May 13th, 2020, 3:49 pm

mathiasa wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 3:09 pm
If you think this is bonkers or heated wait till my double edged sword strikes! get your vetoes ready. time to party :party:
It's your turn--strike away!

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#138

Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 4:17 pm

There we go:
AFI moviesShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur
I'm choosing The Godfather. As you might know by now, I'm not that big with gangsta flics. Marlon Brando's performance is highly overrated and I don't like him anyway, that of Al Pacino also a bit. Apart from Apocalypse Now, Coppola has made many trash movies. The conversation is 3.7/10 in my book and Rumble Fish a 3.0/10, while the Terror gets even lower to 2.2/10. They're overrated as well and much worse than the Godfather. Too bad they didn't make it into this list, so I could cut them instead. Most people finally realize now, that his work isn't that great after all and give his newer films much less credit (I'm looking forward to looking Twixt). And no, it's not true that Godfather III is abysmal compared to the first two, it's only somewhat worse (it's 4.4/10). It's just a different thing, and a lot of people grown up from the 70s to the early 90s (same happened with Indiana Jones, strangely not with Star Wars). Now, I don't think the Godfather is shit, never said that, it's just an about average movie, maybe even a bit above that. It's a very good movie for Coppola-standards but then again, as said, that doesn't say much. Apart from Apocalypse, among Coppola's best works is Captain Eo (A short 3-D movie starring Michael Jackson for Disneyland theme parks), think about that! Dementia 13 is another Coppola movie that's better than The Godfather, a solid 7.4/10.

Now bring on the heat and your vetoes! But deep down in your hearts, I know that you know that I know I'm right. :cowbow:

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Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 4:20 pm

And I veto Sullivan's Travel. I'm sure mightysparks was just very very tired when she made that decision and tomorrow is a whole new day. It's great movie 8.3/10! My assumption is that some of the better masterpieces will be vetoed by other people, so that I can spend one on this one. Hope will not regret it later.

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Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 4:30 pm

Vetoes will be accepted for another five minutes!

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Post by PGonzalez » May 13th, 2020, 4:30 pm

mathiasa wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:17 pm
There we go:
AFI moviesShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur
I'm choosing The Godfather. As you might know by now, I'm not that big with gangsta flics. Marlon Brando's performance is highly overrated and I don't like him anyway, that of Al Pacino also a bit. Apart from Apocalypse Now, Coppola has made many trash movies. The conversation is 3.7/10 in my book and Rumble Fish a 3.0/10, while the Terror gets even lower to 2.2/10. They're overrated as well and much worse than the Godfather. Too bad they didn't make it into this list, so I could cut them instead. Most people finally realize now, that his work isn't that great after all and give his newer films much less credit (I'm looking forward to looking Twixt). And no, it's not true that Godfather III is abysmal compared to the first two, it's only somewhat worse (it's 4.4/10). It's just a different thing, and a lot of people grown up from the 70s to the early 90s (same happened with Indiana Jones, strangely not with Star Wars). Now, I don't think the Godfather is shit, never said that, it's just an about average movie, maybe even a bit above that. It's a very good movie for Coppola-standards but then again, as said, that doesn't say much. Apart from Apocalypse, among Coppola's best works is Captain Eo (A short 3-D movie starring Michael Jackson for Disneyland theme parks), think about that! Dementia 13 is another Coppola movie that's better than The Godfather, a solid 7.4/10.

Now bring on the heat and your vetoes! But deep down in your hearts, I know that you know that I know I'm right. :cowbow:

Even though I like The Godfather, I know a lot of people that share your taste regarding that film and Coppola in general, and I can understand where you and they are coming from...for the most part. The only thing I can't wrap my mind around is that someone would only give The Conversation a 3.7/10 :P

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Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 4:35 pm

PGonzalez wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:30 pm
mathiasa wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:17 pm
There we go:
AFI moviesShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur
I'm choosing The Godfather. As you might know by now, I'm not that big with gangsta flics. Marlon Brando's performance is highly overrated and I don't like him anyway, that of Al Pacino also a bit. Apart from Apocalypse Now, Coppola has made many trash movies. The conversation is 3.7/10 in my book and Rumble Fish a 3.0/10, while the Terror gets even lower to 2.2/10. They're overrated as well and much worse than the Godfather. Too bad they didn't make it into this list, so I could cut them instead. Most people finally realize now, that his work isn't that great after all and give his newer films much less credit (I'm looking forward to looking Twixt). And no, it's not true that Godfather III is abysmal compared to the first two, it's only somewhat worse (it's 4.4/10). It's just a different thing, and a lot of people grown up from the 70s to the early 90s (same happened with Indiana Jones, strangely not with Star Wars). Now, I don't think the Godfather is shit, never said that, it's just an about average movie, maybe even a bit above that. It's a very good movie for Coppola-standards but then again, as said, that doesn't say much. Apart from Apocalypse, among Coppola's best works is Captain Eo (A short 3-D movie starring Michael Jackson for Disneyland theme parks), think about that! Dementia 13 is another Coppola movie that's better than The Godfather, a solid 7.4/10.

Now bring on the heat and your vetoes! But deep down in your hearts, I know that you know that I know I'm right. :cowbow:

Even though I like The Godfather, I know a lot of people that share your taste regarding that film and Coppola in general, and I can understand where you and they are coming from...for the most part. The only thing I can't wrap my mind around is that someone would only give The Conversation a 3.7/10 :P
Too high? EDIT: sorry, you said „only give“, I didn‘t see that at first.
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Post by OldAle1 » May 13th, 2020, 4:38 pm

I like The Godfather, but nowhere near as much as it's critical acclaim indicates; wouldn't be among my first kills if I were playing, but it's probably not on the top half of the list for me and I wouldn't bother vetoing it. The Conversation on the other hand is an absolute favorite, or was at least when I saw it last quite a while ago. Haven't really cared enough about FFC to revisit any of his films in many years, or to keep up with any of his newer work.

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Post by mathiasa » May 13th, 2020, 4:41 pm

What are you liking about The Conversation?

I accidentally saw it twice, because I didn‘t check it the first time and only recognized it rather late the second time I was watching.

Very happy about not getting butchered about The Godfather.

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Post by Onderhond » May 13th, 2020, 4:52 pm

Not a big Godfather fan either, but I'd pick it over The Conversation any day.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 13th, 2020, 4:58 pm

Onderhond wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:52 pm
Not a big Godfather fan either, but I'd pick it over The Conversation any day.
Now I feel much more confident in my opinion :lol:

As to defending The Conversation, sorry, it's been too long for me to go into detail, and I doubt I ever wrote about it at any length after the last time I saw it, or saved that writing if I did - I don't usually bother writing or discussing really famous classics that much unless I feel I have something to say that others haven't (very rare). I suppose I mostly like it as a portrait of obsession, something that has a lot of personal meaning to me - I'm increasingly feeling like I've ruined my own life to a great extent because of my irrational obsessions, and the only way I've been able to deal with them at all is through isolation, which isn't good either. But I don't want to go any further along this path here...

As to The Godfather, there's a lot of brilliance there, but over 3 viewings, maybe 4, over 20+ years of time, I still can't buy Michael as a realistic character with motivations that make sense, and while that doesn't totally kill the film for me it's enough to keep it from the highest ranks for sure. And I like both sequels a lot less. No particular problem with gangster films as a genre though.

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Post by jeroeno » May 13th, 2020, 5:09 pm

I'm not vetoing anything. I really like High Noon but not enough to veto. It's a shame The Godfather is gone, I would've cut it next round. :guns:

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Post by prodigalgodson » May 13th, 2020, 6:01 pm

mathiasa wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 3:09 pm
If you think this is bonkers or heated wait till my double edged sword strikes! get your vetoes ready. time to party :party:
Haha we need that popcorn emoji

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Post by blocho » May 13th, 2020, 6:11 pm

I think that's it for the round. The list below is where we stand after the cut of Godfather and the veto of Sullivan's Travels. Any other vetoes out there?

What's frightening is that things will get more savage with each passing round.
AFI moviesShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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Post by beasterne » May 13th, 2020, 6:18 pm

Looks right to me blocho.

Round 2 is now in the books! We'll have a 24 hour break to give everyone one more chance to use vetoes before the cuts are finalized. Round 3 will kick off around 4 pm GMT on 5/14.

I'm surprised to see The Godfather go so soon. Even if you don't like the movie at all it still seems like it has enough to offer purely from a technical standpoint to warrant staying ahead of some of the other choices still out there.

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Post by jeff_v » May 13th, 2020, 7:03 pm

We're going to end up with 10 humdrum movies that no one bothered to nominate for cutting because they wanted to be edge-lords.

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Post by blocho » May 13th, 2020, 7:24 pm

In two rounds, we've had 22 cuts and four vetoes. That leaves 82 movies and 18 vetoes remaining. If things proceed at the same pace, by the end of round 10, only ten movies will remain, along with two vetoes.

Of course, things probably won't proceed at the same pace. And if people save their vetoes, things could get really complicated in the later rounds.

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Post by Onderhond » May 13th, 2020, 8:37 pm

jeff_v wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:03 pm
We're going to end up with 10 humdrum movies
When you start with 95 humdrum movies, that's a very real possibility.

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Post by cinewest » May 14th, 2020, 12:27 am

jeff_v wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:03 pm
We're going to end up with 10 humdrum movies that no one bothered to nominate for cutting because they wanted to be edge-lords.
Maybe not hum drum, but probably underwhelming choices. How high will the glorified TV theatrical drama, and forum favorite 12 Angry Men Go?

Strong, diverse, self righteous opinions combined with the desire to make a splash and feel one's voices heard just might wind up with mainstream democratic mediocrity....

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Post by PGonzalez » May 14th, 2020, 12:48 am

cinewest wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 12:27 am
Strong, diverse, self righteous opinions combined with the desire to make a splash and feel one's voices heard just might wind up with mainstream democratic mediocrity....
Heh, took me a while to understand you were talking about this game.

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Post by cinewest » May 14th, 2020, 3:02 am

PGonzalez wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 12:48 am
cinewest wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 12:27 am
Strong, diverse, self righteous opinions combined with the desire to make a splash and feel one's voices heard just might wind up with mainstream democratic mediocrity....
Heh, took me a while to understand you were talking about this game.
Touché. And this is also the reason why I’m not interested in playing this kind of game on this board, which only seems interesting if I were to adopt one of Blocho’s proposed strategies of being a bloody wild card spoiler.

To me the game is playing out more like a season of Survivor than like serious assessment of cinema (or actual survival skills)

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Post by Onderhond » May 14th, 2020, 7:12 am

cinewest wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 12:27 am
wind up with mainstream democratic mediocrity....
Well, I tried to cut 2001, but it was vetoed.

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Post by cinewest » May 14th, 2020, 10:30 am

Onderhond wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 7:12 am
cinewest wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 12:27 am
wind up with mainstream democratic mediocrity....
Well, I tried to cut 2001, but it was vetoed.
Have always enjoyed your sense of humor

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Post by Onderhond » May 14th, 2020, 11:01 am

Well, you can debate the mediocrity part of course, but since it's been the number 1 film for years in the ICMf poll, mainstream and democratic seem to fit just fine.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 14th, 2020, 11:40 am

cinewest wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 3:02 am

To me the game is playing out more like a season of Survivor than like serious assessment of cinema (or actual survival skills)
Well duh, it's a silly game. To be fair, I've never played any of these kinds of games myself - and the CFB used to have them all the time. The only reason this is interesting at all, and the only reason I'll play in the future, is that people are asked to give reasons for their choices, and that at least over time gives a sense of who the people are that are playing, what their prejudices and soft spots are. And the chance for some low humor which is always good. :P

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