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Post by joachimt » April 12th, 2020, 12:04 pm

Let's have a place to prepare round 2 of the World Cup. In this OP I'll list all the decisions about how round 2 will be done. You can also use it to discuss countries and possible choices, but managers shouldn't post their selected movies here. Instead they should PM them to me.

DEADLINE TO SUBMIT YOUR MOVIE: May 19th
Countdown till deadline

Decisions about round 2:
- 8 groups of each 2 countries.
- The groups will be made randomly from 2 pots. Pot 1 will include the 8 #1's of round 1. Pot 2 will include the 8 #2's of round 1.
- Countries that competed against each other in round 1, won't compete against each other again in round 2.
- Pace will be 2 weeks per match with 0.5 week overlap.
- First match starts May the 21st.

Guidelines for managers to choose a movie:
- Less than 1000 checks (at the moment the movie is picked).
- Maximum runtime of 180 minutes.
- Only one movie per director for a country in the whole season. A director with movies in multiple countries can be chosen once for each country.
- No movies from season 1 or season 2 or season 3.
- Coproductions are allowed, but with an explanation why a movie certainly belongs to the country it competes for.

Countries that proceed from round 1 to round 2:
Position R1Average rankingMatchCountryManager
121AEstoniajvv
22.21AIranNathan Treadway
11.691BSenegalFergenaprido
22.5521BItalyhurluberlu
12.1791CRussiaGorro
22.3211CCubasacmersault
12.1881DTajikistanclemmetarey
22.2191DPortugalPgonzalez
11.921EGeorgiazzzorf
22.241EMexico72aicm
11.7411FPolandsebby
22.5191FGreeceburneyfan
121GGermanyklaus78
22.6331GUkraineAngel Glez
11.3211HIndiaRitesh
22.1071HSpainPeacefulAnarchy
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#2

Post by Nathan Treadway » April 18th, 2020, 4:24 am

I'm pretty sure I know what I'm going with, but if anyone has any suggestions, I'm willing to listen. ;)

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Post by joachimt » April 18th, 2020, 7:41 am

I already received two picks.
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Post by sol » April 18th, 2020, 7:54 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
April 18th, 2020, 4:24 am
I'm pretty sure I know what I'm going with, but if anyone has any suggestions, I'm willing to listen. ;)
How about: This is what I wrote about the film on last year's Iranian Challenge thread:
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Based on an acclaimed Iranian novel, this WTF movie apparently flows better if one knows the complex story beforehand, but this is still easy to appreciate even when the plot and character motivations make little sense. The whole thing plays out like a living, breathing nightmare, full of odd colours, oodles of fog, offbeat camera lensing of the Morgiana and The Cremator variety, voyeuristic treetop shots a la Miller's Crossing, creepy point-of-view walking shots and low camera angles from inside shallow graves. And there are ominously cackling supporting characters too. For interested parties, the YT print is shoddy, but the subs are very readable and I can only imagine how glorious it would look with a decent digital restoration.
Probably not a film for most tastes, but if I recall correctly OldAle quite liked it too.
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Post by 72aicm » April 18th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
April 18th, 2020, 4:24 am
I'm pretty sure I know what I'm going with, but if anyone has any suggestions, I'm willing to listen. ;)
Same here. I had a plan, only using unofficial movies for this game, but the new Cinema Tropical list screwed my plans for that so might as well go for something on other list(s) as well.

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Post by Angel Glez » April 21st, 2020, 8:07 pm

First film that comes to my mind is Donskoy's Raduga (Rainbow), but there may be too many similarities between this and The Unforgettable. Best alternative: Dorogoy tsenoy (The Horse That Cried).

Wait a minute, Ukraine is not advancing! :P

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Post by sacmersault » April 22nd, 2020, 6:58 am

I have a question for you all. Do you think that black comedy can easily translate or is it better to go with a good drama or somewhere in between or something else?

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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 22nd, 2020, 8:52 am

sacmersault wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 6:58 am
I have a question for you all. Do you think that black comedy can easily translate or is it better to go with a good drama or somewhere in between or something else?
Comedy is rarely a good option.

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Post by Fergenaprido » April 22nd, 2020, 11:04 am

I'd say it also depends on the quality of the subtitles, and how culture-specific the comedy/jokes are.


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Post by Fergenaprido » April 23rd, 2020, 11:08 am

With Match G finishing, there are exactly 7 European and 7 non-European winners*. Match H looks like it will split the regions as well. Do we want to make the round 2 matches all Europe vs Non-Europe, or would that be complicating things too much?

*Russia was seeded as non-European; if both China and India advance, Russia could be moved to European.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 23rd, 2020, 11:09 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 11:08 am
With Match G finishing, there are exactly 7 European and 7 non-European winners*. Match H looks like it will split the regions as well. Do we want to make the round 2 matches all Europe vs Non-Europe, or would that be complicating things too much?

*Russia was seeded as non-European; if both China and India advance, Russia could be moved to European.
No, they gonna be split to group winners vs group runners-up (just like in real FIFA world championships).

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Post by joachimt » April 23rd, 2020, 12:22 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 11:09 am
Fergenaprido wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 11:08 am
With Match G finishing, there are exactly 7 European and 7 non-European winners*. Match H looks like it will split the regions as well. Do we want to make the round 2 matches all Europe vs Non-Europe, or would that be complicating things too much?

*Russia was seeded as non-European; if both China and India advance, Russia could be moved to European.
No, they gonna be split to group winners vs group runners-up (just like in real FIFA world championships).
I already did that when I started this thread. :ph43r:
Schedule is ready. Some interesting matches......
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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 23rd, 2020, 12:29 pm

Whoa, all 5 ex-Soviet countries proceed and four of them topped their groups!

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Post by Armoreska » April 23rd, 2020, 12:31 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
April 23rd, 2020, 12:29 pm
Whoa, all 5 ex-Soviet countries proceed and four of them topped their groups!
and Poland is close, with a #1 in another group :party:

I only voted Estonia & Poland #1
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Post by monty » May 3rd, 2020, 9:12 pm

sacmersault wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 6:58 am
I have a question for you all. Do you think that black comedy can easily translate or is it better to go with a good drama or somewhere in between or something else?
Well, based on my experience with this forum I'd say your safest bet is a sex comedy - everyone here is wild about that stuff.


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Post by sebby » May 3rd, 2020, 11:31 pm

monty wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:12 pm
sacmersault wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 6:58 am
I have a question for you all. Do you think that black comedy can easily translate or is it better to go with a good drama or somewhere in between or something else?
Well, based on my experience with this forum I'd say your safest bet is a sex comedy - everyone here is wild about that stuff.
As long as everyone checks their #wokebloke hats at the door, that basically gives Poland a free pass into round 3.

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Post by joachimt » May 4th, 2020, 6:39 am

monty wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:12 pm
sacmersault wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 6:58 am
I have a question for you all. Do you think that black comedy can easily translate or is it better to go with a good drama or somewhere in between or something else?
Well, based on my experience with this forum I'd say your safest bet is a sex comedy - everyone here is wild about that stuff.
Hey, you're still here? Did you notice the final results of the group with Cockfighter?
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Post by monty » May 5th, 2020, 3:08 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 6:39 am
monty wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:12 pm
sacmersault wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 6:58 am
I have a question for you all. Do you think that black comedy can easily translate or is it better to go with a good drama or somewhere in between or something else?
Well, based on my experience with this forum I'd say your safest bet is a sex comedy - everyone here is wild about that stuff.
Hey, you're still here? Did you notice the final results of the group with Cockfighter?
I am. Or should I leave the forum, you mean? If I hadn't abstained from voting in that round you'd all be watching a fab U.S. sex comedy next - you guys don't know what you're missing out on - oh, well, your loss.

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Post by joachimt » May 5th, 2020, 3:59 pm

monty wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 3:08 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 6:39 am
monty wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:12 pm


Well, based on my experience with this forum I'd say your safest bet is a sex comedy - everyone here is wild about that stuff.
Hey, you're still here? Did you notice the final results of the group with Cockfighter?
I am. Or should I leave the forum, you mean? If I hadn't abstained from voting in that round you'd all be watching a fab U.S. sex comedy next - you guys don't know what you're missing out on - oh, well, your loss.
Nope, no need to leave the forum. Just that you hadn't voted in any match and didn't post anything, so I was wondering if you even noticed your tiny defeat.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » May 5th, 2020, 5:21 pm

monty wrote:
May 5th, 2020, 3:08 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 4th, 2020, 6:39 am
monty wrote:
May 3rd, 2020, 9:12 pm


Well, based on my experience with this forum I'd say your safest bet is a sex comedy - everyone here is wild about that stuff.
Hey, you're still here? Did you notice the final results of the group with Cockfighter?
I am. Or should I leave the forum, you mean? If I hadn't abstained from voting in that round you'd all be watching a fab U.S. sex comedy next - you guys don't know what you're missing out on - oh, well, your loss.
You should have explored a nice sex comedy from Pakistan we've got here. I'm talking about a hijab sex sort of thing.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 8th, 2020, 3:50 am

Can you remind me what the rules are for films? Only one per director, no previous entries, under 3? hours, under (how many?) checks. Was there anything else?

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 8th, 2020, 3:52 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 8th, 2020, 3:50 am
Can you remind me what the rules are for films? Only one per director, no previous entries, under 3? hours, under (how many?) checks. Was there anything else?
Under 1000 checks.

The rules are listed in the first post.
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Guidelines for managers to choose a movie:
- Less than 1000 checks (at the moment the movie is picked).
- Maximum runtime of 180 minutes.
- Only one movie per director for a country in the whole season. A director with movies in multiple countries can be chosen once for each country.
- No movies from season 1 or season 2 or season 3.
- Coproductions are allowed, but with an explanation why a movie certainly belongs to the country it competes for.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 8th, 2020, 4:10 am

I don't know how I missed that. Thanks.

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Post by sebby » May 11th, 2020, 8:36 am

Anyone want to suggest some Polish films? I have a few in mind but they are likes and not loves and I would like to watch a couple more at least before the deadline.

Edit: preferably stuff off the beaten path, not a lot of checks, no or 1 list, etc.

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Post by zzzorf » May 11th, 2020, 9:06 am

sebby wrote:
May 11th, 2020, 8:36 am
Anyone want to suggest some Polish films? I have a few in mind but they are likes and not loves and I would like to watch a couple more at least before the deadline.

Edit: preferably stuff off the beaten path, not a lot of checks, no or 1 list, etc.

I can't offer much but this is what I've got in order of my preference.

Sara (1997) 69 checks/0 lists
Córki dancingu (2015) 595/2
Wrony (1994) 136/3
Demon (2015) 187/0

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Post by beavis » May 11th, 2020, 11:44 am

tt0085451 - Dolina Issy 1982 - Issa Valley
tt0064570 - Lalka 1968 - The Doll
tt0054119 - Niewinni Czarodzieje 1960 - Innocent Sorcerers
tt5333110 - Zjednoczone Stany Milosci 2016 - United States of Love

my of the track tips for Poland, underrated movies, three of them not on any official lists. For this game I think the 60's movies are your best bet though, so I included Innocent Sorcerers too.

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Post by joachimt » May 11th, 2020, 3:31 pm

Countries in round 2.

Position R1Average rankingMatchCountryManager
121AEstoniajvv
22.21AIranNathan Treadway
11.691BSenegalFergenaprido
22.5521BItalyhurluberlu
12.1791CRussiaGorro
22.3211CCubasacmersault
12.1881DTajikistanclemmetarey
22.2191DPortugalPgonzalez
11.921EGeorgiazzzorf
22.241EMexico72aicm
11.7411FPolandsebby
22.5191FGreeceburneyfan
121GGermanyklaus78
22.6331GUkraineAngel Glez
11.3211HIndiaRitesh
22.1071HSpainPeacefulAnarchy


Deadline to submit your choice is May the 19th.
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Post by joachimt » May 11th, 2020, 3:33 pm

I already received the choices of:
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Post by sebby » May 14th, 2020, 9:58 am

Thanks for the Poland recs. A few were on my radar, a few others I'll look into. Trick will be getting myself to watch a few films in the next week. My appetite for the medium is pretty low. In the last month I've watch a handful of Benning docs and the Deadwood movie and that's it.

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Post by joachimt » May 17th, 2020, 6:52 am

So far I've received 8/16 picks. Three days left to decide.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » May 17th, 2020, 8:06 am

joachimt wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 6:52 am
So far I've received 8/16 picks. Three days left to decide.
And one of those who didn't submit is PeacefulAnarchy. Tell me I'm right. :lol:

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Post by joachimt » May 17th, 2020, 8:20 am

Now it's 9/16.

The ones who didn't send their pick yet:
burneyfan
clemmetarey
Fergenaprido
hurluberlu
PeacefulAnarchy
Ritesh
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 18th, 2020, 2:49 am

Just checking, is the counter right? When you say the 19th you mean 19th in the morning and not end of the 19th as we usually do? I'll be sure to send something whichever it is.

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Post by joachimt » May 18th, 2020, 9:11 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 2:49 am
Just checking, is the counter right? When you say the 19th you mean 19th in the morning and not end of the 19th as we usually do? I'll be sure to send something whichever it is.
Sorry, I meant the end of 19th at Hawaii like we normally do. I sometime forget that I should select one day later in the countdown timer, because the deadline is one day later at noon for me. I fixed it.

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Post by joachimt » May 18th, 2020, 2:17 pm

12/16 submitted now.

Not yet:
burneyfan
clemmetarey
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Post by clemmetarey » May 18th, 2020, 2:37 pm

I still have one film I would like to see, I should send you my nomination tonight. :)

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Post by joachimt » May 19th, 2020, 3:44 pm

15/16 now. PA is the last one.

I'll post the schedule right after PA sends me his pick. No changes from then on, even if that moment is today before the actual deadline.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 20th, 2020, 1:23 am

Sent mine in. Sorry for the wait.

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