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World Cup, Season 4, Match 1H: China vs India vs Spain vs Sweden (May 10th)

#1

Post by joachimt » April 12th, 2020, 11:43 am

This is match 1H of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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ChinaTian shu qi tanSecrets of the Heavenly Book1983wasabilinklink
IndiaMahanagarThe Big City1963Riteshlinklink
SpainMi tío JacintoUncle Hyacynth1956PeacefulAnarchylinklink
SwedenMidvinterblotThe Sacrifice1946Lilarcorlinklink

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Mahanagar
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- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = May 10th
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The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by highest average ranking (= lowest number).
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by pitchorneirda » April 12th, 2020, 11:48 am

1. Mahanagar 7+
2. Mi tío Jacinto 6+
3. Tian shu qi tan 5
4. Midvinterblot 3

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#3

Post by 72aicm » April 12th, 2020, 12:07 pm

1. Mi tío Jacinto (l)
2. Mahanagar
3. Midvinterblot
4. Tian shu qi tan

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#4

Post by Mario Gaborović » April 12th, 2020, 12:57 pm

1. Mahanagar
2. Midvinterblot
3. Mi tío Jacinto
4. Tian shu qi tan

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#5

Post by beavis » April 12th, 2020, 2:00 pm

1. Mahanagar - 7,5
2. Tian shu qi tan - 7
3. Mi tío Jacinto - 7
4. Midvinterblot - 2

certainly not the best possible picks for these countries, but I found them interesting nevertheless

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#6

Post by Armoreska » April 15th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Wow, this gonna be a race for 2nd. India has apparantly staked everything on getting into R2 and overextended its effort.
Altho so far the response is muted with 7s.
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#7

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » April 15th, 2020, 3:16 pm

I've been absent the whole round but by next week I feel I'll be in a place to watch films again, so I should be able to at least vote in this one, maybe in the other one that's open as well.

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#8

Post by Cocoa » April 16th, 2020, 7:02 pm

1. Mahanagar 7/10
2. Tian shu qi tan 6/10
3. Midvinterblot 6/10
4. Mi tío Jacinto 5/10

First choice was easy. Not my favorite Satyajit Ray film, but still a great film nonetheless. Essays could be written about Mahanagar, but this should be the most known film in the group so I won't go into specifics.

I liked the animation in Tian shu qi tan, but I was not a fan of the pacing. Some scenes go by slow while others are fast and you can miss important details in certain scenes if you blink for even a second, which makes the film less engaging.

Midvinterblot is forgettable. Reading the IMDB plot didn't trigger back any memories of the film for me, but luckily the screencap in the OP made me remember enough. It's not a terrible film, but it's short and nothing stands out as memorable so I'll forget about the existence of this film once again within a few days.

I feel like I'm being generous with my rating for Mi tío Jacinto. The film is boring to me and the characters are bland. The cinematography is the only reason why I'm giving this film such a high rating. Although it looked like some of the older men (including the uncle character) had bad makeup on in regular scenes that's supposed to make them look exhausted and old and poor and famished, but maybe their faces are just that wrinkly in real life and there is no makeup in those scenes. I don't care, it just felt impossible to not notice the imperfections in their faces in a few non-action scenes (for example: two characters sitting in chairs while talking) due to the direction and cinematography.

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#9

Post by klaus78 » April 16th, 2020, 7:32 pm

1. Mahanagar (India) 8/10
2. Mi tío Jacinto (Spain) 7/10
3. Midvinterblot (Sweden) 6/10
4. Tian shu qi tan (China) 6/10
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#10

Post by joachimt » April 16th, 2020, 7:56 pm

Five #1 votes out of six voters for India so far.

Image Mahanagar: 1.167 (17-1)
Image Mi tío Jacinto: 2.5 (9-9)
Image Tian shu qi tan: 3.167 (5-13)
Image Midvinterblot: 3.167 (5-13)
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Post by jvv » April 17th, 2020, 10:30 pm

1. Mi tío Jacinto
2. Mahanagar
3. Tian shu qi tan
4. Midvinterblot

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Post by Smoover » April 18th, 2020, 4:28 pm

1. Mahanagar 7.5
2. Midvinterblot 6.0
3. Tian shu qi tan 6.0
4. Mi tío Jacinto 5.0

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#13

Post by joachimt » April 18th, 2020, 4:47 pm

Time for the first graph on this one. So far a pretty boring competition...... meaning no competition at all.

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#14

Post by zuma » April 18th, 2020, 5:45 pm

01. Mahanagar

02. Mi tío Jacinto

03. Tian shu qi tan

04. Midvinterblot

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Post by zhangalan » April 19th, 2020, 6:48 am

joachimt wrote:
April 18th, 2020, 4:47 pm
Time for the first graph on this one. So far a pretty boring competition...... meaning no competition at all.

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This group will surely look like Premier League of this season, with India being Liverpool.
However, let's not forget Sweden, China and Spain are all big countries like India, just that their managers go for less popular choices.

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Post by joachimt » April 21st, 2020, 12:18 pm

1. Mi tío Jacinto 8/10
2. Mahanagar 8/10
3. Midvinterblot 7/10
4. Tian shu qi tan 5/10
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Post by Angel Glez » April 23rd, 2020, 3:54 pm

1. Mahanagar
2. Mi tío Jacinto
3. Midvinterblot
4. Tian shu qi tan

Jacinto is a brave (unexpected) choice for Spain: The Bicycle Thieves of bullfighting. And Vajda's filmography is worth exploring.

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Post by Armoreska » April 24th, 2020, 9:46 am

Mahanagar 9- surprised to have the highest rating posted
Mi tio Jacinto 7+
Midvinterblot 7
Tian shu qi tan 4
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Post by joachimt » April 24th, 2020, 4:08 pm

I wonder if this will be the first match in which #1 and #2 are decided from the very first vote and never change.

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Post by zuma » April 24th, 2020, 4:46 pm

Surely that has happened in previous years.

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#21

Post by clemmetarey » April 26th, 2020, 12:03 am

Best round so far.

1. Mahanagar (1963) 8/10
2. Midvinterblot (1946) 7/10
3. Tian shu qi tan (1983) 7/10
4. Mi tío Jacinto (1956) 6/10

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Post by Traveller » April 27th, 2020, 5:30 pm

1. Mi tío Jacinto
2. Mahanagar
3. Midvinterblot
4. Tian shu qi tan
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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 27th, 2020, 6:35 pm

Image Mahanagar: 38-4
Image Mi tío Jacinto: 24-18
Image Midvinterblot: 13-29
Image Tian shu qi tan: 9-33

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Post by weirdboy » April 29th, 2020, 3:38 am

1. Mahanagar AKA The Big City (1963) - Satyajit Ray
2. Mi tío Jacinto AKA Uncle Hyacynth (1956) - Ladislao Vajda
3. Midvinterblot AKA The Sacrifice (1946) - Gösta Werner
4. Tian shu qi tan AKA Secrets of the Heavenly Book (1983) - Shuchen Wan, Yunda Qian

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Post by zhangalan » April 30th, 2020, 8:46 am

01. Mahanagar
02. Mi tío Jacinto
03. Tian shu qi tan
04. Midvinterblot

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Post by hurluberlu » May 2nd, 2020, 10:24 am

1. Tian shu qi tan 7+
2. Mi tío Jacinto 7
3. Mahanagar 7
4. Midvinterblot 6+
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Post by joachimt » May 2nd, 2020, 11:27 am

That was the first #1 vote for China. Sweden hasn't got any yet.
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Post by Armoreska » May 2nd, 2020, 11:33 am

Is a short film really the best outta what Sweden still got? I doubt that.
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Post by joachimt » May 2nd, 2020, 11:40 am

Armoreska wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 11:33 am
Is a short film really the best outta what Sweden still got? I doubt that.
Is such an obscure mediocre animated movie really the best outta what China still got? I doubt that as well. Managers don't simply choose the best available movie for their country. They also use it to give exposure to some favorite they want others to see and hope/expect to like.
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Post by Lilarcor » May 2nd, 2020, 8:48 pm

There are of course many other films I could choose from, but I wanted to highlight a film that was recently made widely available that I believe is an interesting curiosity which is a bit outside the canon. With Ari Aster's recent film Midsommar I thought it also would be fun for people to have a look at another 'vision' of cultish weirdness of Sweden. Interestingly made right after ww2 by a director who had worked in Nazi Germany. In a sense, I feel like this film is a sort of condemnation of Nazi ideology through presenting the barbarism of the idea of the 'Lebensraum'. But it can be read in different and opposing ways.

The soundtrack for the film isn't the best, so for anyone considering a rewatch I suggest putting on some black metal (for example early Ulver), really works together nicely with the imagery and mood.

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Post by zuma » May 2nd, 2020, 8:56 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 11:40 am
Armoreska wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 11:33 am
Is a short film really the best outta what Sweden still got? I doubt that.
Is such an obscure mediocre animated movie really the best outta what China still got? I doubt that as well. Managers don't simply choose the best available movie for their country. They also use it to give exposure to some favorite they want others to see and hope/expect to like.
I think we might have seen quite a bit of this in round 1. It could just be my take on the films, but this round felt like the weakest one since we started this game.

Another possibility is people are saving the better films for later, more competitive, rounds.

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Post by zhangalan » May 4th, 2020, 1:44 am

Lilarcor wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 8:48 pm
There are of course many other films I could choose from, but I wanted to highlight a film that was recently made widely available that I believe is an interesting curiosity which is a bit outside the canon. With Ari Aster's recent film Midsommar I thought it also would be fun for people to have a look at another 'vision' of cultish weirdness of Sweden. Interestingly made right after ww2 by a director who had worked in Nazi Germany. In a sense, I feel like this film is a sort of condemnation of Nazi ideology through presenting the barbarism of the idea of the 'Lebensraum'. But it can be read in different and opposing ways.

The soundtrack for the film isn't the best, so for anyone considering a rewatch I suggest putting on some black metal (for example early Ulver), really works together nicely with the imagery and mood.
I do enjoy the short.
But sometimes I find it difficult for me to rank it because shorts tend to have little content, especially when you feel it is a great one.
On the other hand, if the short is too bad, at least I don't suffer much.

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Post by Armoreska » May 4th, 2020, 9:11 am

Yes, reduce the suffering by nominating shorts or risk tanking your country. A new moral dilemma.
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#34

Post by wasabi » May 5th, 2020, 3:00 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 11:27 am
That was the first #1 vote for China. Sweden hasn't got any yet.
It's the second-highest rated Chinese feature animation film on Douban, I guess it's worth trying. :P

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Post by Armoreska » May 5th, 2020, 7:18 pm

Where are all the voters? Did everyone get scared by the Chinese subs? This is still a solid group.

just noticed the Eng title translates Jacinto's name. that's kidna rude but is an actual name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_(given_name)
that feels very awkward for an English speaker
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Post by Muellwind » May 5th, 2020, 8:12 pm

1. Mahanagar
2. Mi tío Jacinto
3. Midvinterblot
4. Tian shu qi tan

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Post by kongs_speech » May 5th, 2020, 10:26 pm

If someone could send me the films, as was done in previous rounds, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Post by sacmersault » May 7th, 2020, 7:38 am

It was one of the best groups for me this first round. Thank you to all the managers!

1. Mahanagar (This was my first Satyajit Ray film I've seen and I loved it. I definitively want to see more, since this one was very intimate and at times melodramatic)
2. Mi tío Jacinto (It had some strong suits, like the acting from the kid, but the uncle was very unlikable)
3. Midvinterblot (I find it hard comparing shorts vs features. It's hard to rank a short higher than a feature. This short was very well made, interesting and fully of symbolism)
4. Tian shu qi tan (It is not the best animated film I've seen, but I liked this film. Just the other were better. In a different group, it would have been higher)

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Post by Mario Gaborović » May 7th, 2020, 10:26 am

Image Mahanagar: 51-6
Image Mi tío Jacinto: 34-23
Image Midvinterblot: 16-41
Image Tian shu qi tan: 13-44

4 days left till the end of Round 1!

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Post by Lilarcor » May 9th, 2020, 9:00 am

1. Mahanagar 10/10
2. Mi tío Jacinto 8/10
3. Midvinterblot 8/10
4. Tian shu qi tan 5/10

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