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Year-by-Year Polls: Looking back at 2019 Result

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Year-by-Year Polls: Looking back at 2019 Result

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Post by Rufus-T » February 24th, 2020, 6:56 pm

Here are the results for your 2019 poll.

Thank you to these 59 posters for participating in the poll: AB537, albajos, AssonFire, beavis, blocho, brokenface, Carmel1379, cayado-coro, Cinepolis, connordenney, Coryn, crumbthumber, explorer95, filmbantha, flaiky, Good_Will_Harding, Gordon_Gekko, Gorro, gromit82, GruesomeTwosome, hurluberlu, Ivan0716, jdidacov jeff_v, Jimi Antiloop, joachimt, klaus78, Lonewolf2003, mathiasa, mightysparks, morrison-dylan-fan, MoTH, Mothravka, Mysterious Dude, Nathan Treadway, nimimerkillinenv Obgeoff, OldAle1, Onderhond, ororama, outdoorcats, Perception de Ambiguity, perceval, Pgonzalez, rnilsson19, Rufus-T, russa03, Smoover, sol, St. Gloede, Tarris1, Teproc, timshelboy, Traveller, TraverseTown, viktor-vaudevillain, Zenigame, zomgmouse, zzzorf

Also, additional thank you to these 21 posters for participating in at least one of the the performance polls: albajos, AssonFire, Carmel1379, connordenney, explorer95, Good_Will_Harding, Ivan0716, Lonewolf2003, mightysparks, Mysterious Dude, OldAle1, ororama, Perception de Ambiguity, Pgonzalez, rnilsson19, Rufus-T, russa03, Smoover, sol, St. Gloede, Teproc

There were 301 films mentioned in the film poll, and 241 performers from 136 films were mentioned in the performance polls. More than one films were mentioned for 20 performers. Altogether, 319 films were mentioned in the poll. The 319 films come from these 47 countries:

# of films ____ Country
113 __________ USA
38 ___________ UK
30 ___________ France
20 ___________ Germany
10 ___________ China
10 ___________ Japan
9 ____________ Canada
6 ____________ Spain
6 ____________ Sweden
5 ____________ Belgium
4 ____________ Brazil
4 ____________ Denmark
4 ____________ Italy
4 ____________ Russia
4 ____________ South Korea
3 ____________ Austria
3 ____________ Chile
3 ____________ Colombia
3 ____________ Iran
3 ____________ Romania
2 ____________ Argentina
2 ____________ Australia
2 ____________ Czech Republic
2 ____________ Guatemala
2 ____________ Hungary
2 ____________ Iceland
2 ____________ India
2 ____________ Ireland
2 ____________ Mexico
2 ____________ Taiwan
1 ____________ Congo
1 ____________ Croatia
1 ____________ Ecuador
1 ____________ Estonia
1 ____________ Finland
1 ____________ Lebanon
1 ____________ Macedonia
1 ____________ Mongolia
1 ____________ Netherlands
1 ____________ Philippines
1 ____________ Poland
1 ____________ Portugal
1 ____________ Singapore
1 ____________ Switzerland
1 ____________ Tunisia
1 ____________ Turkey
1 ____________ Vietnam


There were film performances that were splitted between the leading and the supporting categories. All the points of that performance will be combined in the category with the most points, followed by most mentions.

To limit the length of the list, more than 1 mention or a landing of a #1 ranking are required to be listed. The film poll also required at least 20 points for the non #1 films.

Tie breaker is # of mentions followed by the film with a higher ranking, the next higher ranking, etc. and then for the film poll only, the number of IMDb votes

After this poll, we will be returning to our regular Year-by-Year poll for 1945, followed by 1935.

Without further ado, here are our films and performances of 2019:

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FILMS

RANKFILMDIRECTOR(S)POINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1LINK
1 Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood Quentin Tarantino 393.5 36 1 Gorro, Lonewolf2003 :imdb:
2 Parasite / Gisaengchung Bong Joon Ho 387 35 1 AB537, Coryn, ororama, sol :imdb:
3 Joker Todd Phillips 294 28 1 Rufus-T, Smoover, Tarris1 :imdb:
4 The Irishman Martin Scorsese 292.5 28 1 Good_Will_Harding, jeff_v :imdb:
5 Marriage Story Noah Baumbach 260 28 1 nimimerkillinen :imdb:
6 Uncut Gems Benny Safdie, Josh Safdie 245 23 1 crumbthumber, explorer95, mightysparks, russa03, zomgmouse :imdb:
7 The Lighthouse Robert Eggers 229 23 2 :imdb:
8 Midsommar Ari Aster 217 21 1 filmbantha :imdb:
9 Knives Out Rian Johnson 210 23 1 mathiasa :imdb:
10 Portrait of a Lady on Fire / Portrait de la jeune fille en feu Céline Sciamma 199 18 1 Ivan0716, Teproc, Zenigame :imdb:
11 1917 Sam Mendes 186 21 1 Nathan Treadway :imdb:
12 Pain and Glory / Dolor y gloria Pedro Almodóvar 173.5 20 1 brokenface, Cinepolis :imdb:
13 A Hidden Life Terrence Malick 171 12 1 Mysterious Dude, St. Gloede, Traveller :imdb:
14 Jojo Rabbit Taika Waititi 158 13 2 :imdb:
15 Little Women Greta Gerwig 137 12 1 Obgeoff, OldAle1 :imdb:
16 Ad Astra James Gray 109 14 3 :imdb:
17 The Farewell Lulu Wang 91 8 2 :imdb:
18 Transit Christian Petzold 87 7 1 rnilsson19 :imdb:
19 Us Jordan Peele 86 10 3 :imdb:
20 Chernobyl Johan Renck 78 7 1 blocho, Gordon_Gekko :imdb:
21 Atlantics / Atlantique Mati Diop 76 7 1 viktor-vaudevillain :imdb:
22 Sorry We Missed You Ken Loach 73 8 3 :imdb:
23 Avengers: Endgame Anthony Russo, Joe Russo 72 8 1 joachimt :imdb:
24 The Beach Bum Harmony Korine 69 7 1 Carmel1379 :imdb:
25 Waves Trey Edward Shults 65 4 2 :imdb:
26 For Sama Waad Al-Kateab, Edward Watts 63 5 2 :imdb:
27 Monos Alejandro Landes 62 6 2 :imdb:
28 Vitalina Varela Pedro Costa 60.5 6 1 klaus78, perceval :imdb:
29 Bacurau Juliano Dornelles, Kleber Mendonça Filho 60 6 4 :imdb:
30 The Wild Goose Lake / Nan Fang Che Zhan De Ju Hui Yi'nan Diao 59 7 1 hurluberlu, outdoorcats :imdb:
31 High Life Claire Denis 59 6 1 GruesomeTwosome :imdb:
32 System Crasher / Systemsprenger Nora Fingscheidt 58 4 1 Perception de Ambiguity :imdb:
33 I Lost My Body / J'ai perdu mon corps Jérémy Clapin 57 9 4 :imdb:
34 Climax Gaspar Noé 56 5 2 :imdb:
35 Martin Eden Pietro Marcello 56 4 1 MoTH :imdb:
36 Synonyms / Synonymes Nadav Lapid 55 5 5 :imdb:
37 Ash Is Purest White / Jiang hu er nü Zhangke Jia 54 4 4 :imdb:
38 Glass M. Night Shyamalan 52.5 7 2 :imdb:
39 Deerskin / Le daim Quentin Dupieux 50 7 4 :imdb:
40 Apollo 11 Todd Douglas Miller 48 6 3 :imdb:
41 Ford v Ferrari James Mangold 47 7 4 :imdb:
42 Honeyland Tamara Kotevska, Ljubomir Stefanov 47 4 4 :imdb:
43 Toy Story 4 Josh Cooley 46 11 1 gromit82 :imdb:
44 So Long, My Son / Dijiutianchang Xiaoshuai Wang 44 4 2 :imdb:
45 Beanpole / Dylda Kantemir Balagov 43 4 8 :imdb:
46 In Fabric Peter Strickland 41 3 4 :imdb:
47 Les misérables Ladj Ly 40 5 6 :imdb:
48 The Image Book / Le livre d'image Jean-Luc Godard 40 3 1 jdidaco :imdb:
49 The Man Who Killed Don Quixote Terry Gilliam 39 4 6 :imdb:
50 Rammstein: Deutschland Specter Berlin 38 2 2 :imdb:
51 John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum Chad Stahelski 37 3 4 :imdb:
52 Booksmart Olivia Wilde 36 5 6 :imdb:
53 The Forest of Love / Ai-naki mori de sakebe Sion Sono 36 3 3 :imdb:
54 American Factory Steven Bognar, Julia Reichert 36 3 2 :imdb:
55 Leaving Neverland Dan Reed 36 2 1 Jimi Antiloop :imdb:
56 Richard Jewell Clint Eastwood 35 5 4 :imdb:
57 Fyre Chris Smith 34 5 5 :imdb:
58 Doctor Sleep Mike Flanagan 33 3 1 morrison-dylan-fan :imdb:
59 Too Old to Die Young Nicolas Winding Refn 33 2 2 :imdb:
60 Invisible Life / A Vida Invisível de Eurídice Gusmão Karim Aïnouz 32.5 4 1 flaiky :imdb:
61 Under the Silver Lake David Robert Mitchell 32 4 4 :imdb:
62 Klaus Sergio Pablos, Carlos Martínez López 31 4 2 :imdb:
63 Motherless Brooklyn Edward Norton 31 2 2 :imdb:
64 A Rainy Day in New York Woody Allen 30 2 3 :imdb:
65 Varda by Agnès / Varda par Agnès Didier Rouget, Agnès Varda 29 3 7 :imdb:
66 The House That Jack Built Lars von Trier 29 3 4 :imdb:
67 Just Mercy Destin Daniel Cretton 28 3 2 :imdb:
68 The Painted Bird Václav Marhoul 28 2 6 :imdb:
69 A White, White Day / Hvítur, hvítur dagur Hlynur Palmason 27 2 7 :imdb:
70 Dragged Across Concrete S. Craig Zahler 27 2 1 AssonFire :imdb:
71 The Souvenir Joanna Hogg 26 6 11 :imdb:
72 Spider-Man: Far from Home Jon Watts 26 5 8 :imdb:
73 The Golden Glove / Der goldene Handschuh Fatih Akin 25 2 1 beavis :imdb:
74 Knife + Heart / Un couteau dans le coeur Yann Gonzalez 24 2 6 :imdb:
75 Velvet Buzzsaw Dan Gilroy 24 2 2 :imdb:
76 I Do Not Care If We Go Down in History as Barbarians / Îmi este indiferent daca în istorie vom intra ca barbari Radu Jude 24 2 2 :imdb:
77 Corpus Christi / Boze Cialo Jan Komasa 23 3 4 :imdb:
78 The Last Black Man in San Francisco Joe Talbot 22 3 10 :imdb:
79 Long Day's Journey Into Night / Diqiu zuihou de yewan Gan Bi 22 3 9 :imdb:
80 The Nightingale Jennifer Kent 22 3 6 :imdb:
81 A Land Imagined / Huan tu Siew Hua Yeo 21 3 12 :imdb:
82 Bait Mark Jenkin 21 3 7 :imdb:
83 Escape Room Adam Robitel 21 2 3 :imdb:
84 About Endlessness / Om det oändliga Roy Andersson 21 2 2 :imdb:
85 The Favourite Yorgos Lanthimos 21 2 1 albajos :imdb:
86 Unbelievable Lisa Cholodenko, Michael Dinner, Susannah Grant 20 3 13 :imdb:
87 Captain Marvel Anna Boden, Ryan Fleck 20 3 3 :imdb:
88 Dora and the Lost City of Gold James Bobin 20 1 1 zzzorf :imdb:
89 La flor Mariano Llinás 20 1 1 connordenney :imdb:
90 Tux and Fanny Albert Birney 20 1 1 TraverseTown :imdb:
91 Can You Ever Forgive Me? Marielle Heller 16 1 1 timshelboy :imdb:
92 Promare / Promare: Puromea Hiroyuki Imaishi 15 2 1 Onderhond :imdb:
93 The Sound of Harris / The Two Sights / Caolas na Hearadh Joshua Bonnetta 7 1 1 Mothravka :imdb:

Results as an ICM list and Results as an IMDb list


unranked ballot: cayado-coro, Pgonzalez

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LEADING ACTOR

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 Joaquin Phoenix Joker 93.5 14 1AssonFire, Carmel1379, explorer95, Mysterious Dude, Perception de Ambiguity, Rufus-T, Smoover
2 Adam Driver Marriage Story 80.5 11 1 Good_Will_Harding, ororama, sol, Teproc
3 Adam Sandler Uncut Gems 63.5 10 1 mightysparks, OldAle1, St. Gloede
4 Robert Pattinson The Lighthouse 51 11 2
5 Leonardo DiCaprio Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood 49.5 9 1 Ivan0716
6 Antonio Banderas Pain and Glory / Dolor y gloria 35.5 10 1 albajos
7 Robert De Niro The Irishman 35 5 2
8 Roman Griffin Davis Jojo Rabbit 33 7 2
9 Brad Pitt Ad Astra 26 4 3
10 Paul Walter Hauser Richard Jewell 22 4 1 russa03
11 Matthew McConaughey The Beach Bum 20 4 3
12 Eddie Murphy Dolemite Is My Name 18 4 2
13 Till Lindemann Lindemann: Ach so gern 16 2 2
14 Jean Dujardin Deerskin / Le daim 15 3 3
15 Woo-sik Choi Parasite / Gisaengchung 14 3 6
16 Franz Rogowski Transit 11 2 1 connordenney, rnilsson19
17 Kris Hitchen Sorry We Missed You 11 2 3
18 Taron Egerton Rocketman 8.5 3 9
19 Jonathan Pryce The Two Popes 7.5 2 7
20 Daniel Craig Knives Out 6 3 7
21 Robert Pattinson High Life 6 2 6
22 Michael B. Jordan Just Mercy 6 2 7
23 Jonas Dassler The Golden Glove / Der goldene Handschuh 5 2 3
24 Peter Tägtgren Lindemann: Steh auf 5 2 7
25 André Holland High Flying Bird 5 2 8
25 Fan Liao Ash Is Purest White / Jiang hu er nü 5 2 8


unranked ballot: Lonewolf2003, Pgonzalez

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LEADING ACTRESS

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 Scarlett Johansson Marriage Story 68.5 11 1 Mysterious Dude, ororama, Rufus-T, sol, Teproc
2 Ana de Armas Knives Out 58.5 13 1 Carmel1379, explorer95
3 Lupita Nyong'o Us 48.5 8 2
4 Saoirse Ronan Little Women 41.5 8 3
5 Adèle Haenel Portrait of a Lady on Fire / Portrait de la jeune fille en feu 41.5 7 1 AssonFire, Smoover
6 Florence Pugh Midsommar 40 9 1 russa03
7 Awkwafina The Farewell 27 6 3
8 Tao Zhao Ash Is Purest White / Jiang hu er nü 19 2 1 OldAle1
9 Noémie Merlant Portrait of a Lady on Fire / Portrait de la jeune fille en feu 16 4 1 Ivan0716
10 Aisling Franciosi The Nightingale 16 2 1 Good_Will_Harding
11 Laura Paredes La flor 16 2 1 connordenney
12 Valerie Pachner A Hidden Life 14 3 3
13 Helena Zengel System Crasher / Systemsprenger 12 2 1 Perception de Ambiguity
14 Debbie Honeywood Sorry We Missed You 12 2 2
15 Dora Madison Bliss 11 2 1 mightysparks
16 Elisa Carricajo La flor 8 2 5
17 Ruby Commey Rammstein: Deutschland 7 2 3
18 Charlize Theron Bombshell 7 2 5
19 Jessie Buckley Wild Rose 7 2 7
20 Mame Bineta Sane Atlantics / Atlantique 6 2 6
21 Octavia Spencer Luce 4 2 3
22 Viktoria Miroshnichenko Beanpole / Dylda 4 1 1 St. Gloede
23 Emma Stone The Favourite 3 1 1 albajos


unranked ballot: Lonewolf2003, Pgonzalez

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SUPPORTING ACTOR

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 Joe Pesci The Irishman 83 11 1 connordenney, Good_Will_Harding, Mysterious Dude, Rufus-T
2 Brad Pitt Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood 82 13 1 Smoover, Teproc
3 Willem Dafoe The Lighthouse 72 12 1 Ivan0716, mightysparks
4 Kang-ho Song Parasite / Gisaengchung 68.5 12 2
5 Al Pacino The Irishman 31.5 9 3
6 Eric Bogosian Uncut Gems 29 5 1 rnilsson19, russa03
7 Anthony Hopkins The Two Popes 23.5 4 1 Carmel1379, explorer95
8 Taika Waititi Jojo Rabbit 21 5 3
9 Tom Hanks A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood 21 4 1 albajos, OldAle1
10 Timothée Chalamet Little Women 20 4 5
11 Jamie Foxx Just Mercy 19 2 1 ororama
12 Ray Liotta Marriage Story 18 4 3
13 Sam Rockwell Jojo Rabbit 18 3 1 sol
14 Asier Etxeandia Pain and Glory / Dolor y gloria 15 3 4
15 Alan Alda Marriage Story 14 4 4
16 Tracy Letts Ford v Ferrari 13 2 3
17 Albrecht Schuch System Crasher / Systemsprenger 12 2 1 Perception de Ambiguity
18 Sterling K. Brown Waves 10 3 6
19 Tory Kittles Dragged Across Concrete 10 1 1 AssonFire
20 Chris Evans Knives Out 7 2 8
21 Chris Cooper Little Women 5 2 7
22 Steve Buscemi The Dead Don't Die 2 2 10


unranked ballot: Lonewolf2003, Pgonzalez

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SUPPORTING ACTRESS

RANKPERFORMERFILMPOINTSMENTIONSHIGHEST RANKINGPOSTER(S) WHO RANKED #1
1 So-dam Park Parasite / Gisaengchung 59.5 11 1 explorer95, Rufus-T, Smoover
2 Florence Pugh Little Women 57.5 8 1 Ivan0716, OldAle1, Teproc
3 Laura Dern Marriage Story 51.5 11 1 mightysparks, russa03
4 Scarlett Johansson Jojo Rabbit 41 6 1 AssonFire, sol
5 Shuzhen Zhao The Farewell 40 5 1 Good_Will_Harding, Mysterious Dude
6 Margaret Qualley Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood 34 7 4
7 Yeo-jeong Jo Parasite / Gisaengchung 33.5 8 1 rnilsson19
8 Margot Robbie Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood 29 6 1 ororama
9 Julia Fox Uncut Gems 27 6 3
10 Juliette Binoche High Life 27 5 3
11 Thomasin McKenzie Jojo Rabbit 24 4 2
12 Jeong-eun Lee Parasite / Gisaengchung 21.5 5 2
13 Fatma Mohamed In Fabric 18 2 2
14 Adèle Haenel Deerskin / Le daim 16 4 3
15 Penélope Cruz Pain and Glory / Dolor y gloria 15 4 2
16 Hye-jin Jang Parasite / Gisaengchung 14.5 3 5
17 Taylor Russell Waves 14 3 5
18 Margot Robbie Bombshell 13 2 4
19 Julia Stockler Invisible Life / A Vida Invisível de Eurídice Gusmão 12 2 2
20 Paula Beer Transit 11 2 1 connordenney, rnilsson19
21 Lisa Hagmeister System Crasher / Systemsprenger 10 1 1 Perception de Ambiguity
21 Millie Bobby Brown Godzilla: King of the Monsters 10 1 1 Carmel1379
21 Anna Paquin The Irishman 9 3 3
24 Tilda Swinton The Dead Don't Die 9 2 5
25 Jamie Lee Curtis Knives Out 9 2 6
26 Kathy Bates Richard Jewell 8 2 3
27 Jennifer Lopez Hustlers 8 2 5
28 Ji-so Jung Parasite / Gisaengchung 8 2 5
28 Luàna Bajrami Portrait of a Lady on Fire / Portrait de la jeune fille en feu 7 2 5
30 Zazie Beetz High Flying Bird 7 2 6
31 Laura Dern Little Women 5.5 2 9
32 Eliza Scanlen Little Women 5 2 7
33 Julia Butters Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood 2 2 3
34 Rachel Weisz The Favourite 1 1 1 albajos


unranked ballot: Lonewolf2003, Pgonzalez

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Post by hurluberlu » February 24th, 2020, 7:37 pm

Well done Rufus, thanks !

The Forum is defying the world with not putting Parasite at #1, I like that !

How is Jo Pesci winning over Al Pacino ?? and Pitt, Dafoe, Kang Hoe Song…
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Post by blocho » February 24th, 2020, 7:41 pm

Sorry to be a pain, but I think you missed my submission.

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Post by Rufus-T » February 24th, 2020, 8:10 pm

blocho wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Sorry to be a pain, but I think you missed my submission.
Thanks for pointing it out. Sorry for over looking. Fixed. That made a difference in the Top 20.

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Post by joachimt » February 24th, 2020, 8:19 pm

I suck at recent movies, because I rarely go to the cinema. I've seen 5/93 of that list.
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Post by blocho » February 24th, 2020, 8:22 pm

Rufus-T wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 8:10 pm
blocho wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Sorry to be a pain, but I think you missed my submission.
Thanks for pointing it out. Sorry for over looking. Fixed. That made a difference in the Top 20.
The slightest of differences :D

It's interesting that the top five movies were all Academy Award best picture nominees. And that three of the remaining nominees finished in the top 15. I wish I could say that this is a sign of academy voters coming around to the tastes of this forum, but I think it's more likely that nominations influenced viewing choices.

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Post by Onderhond » February 24th, 2020, 8:38 pm

37/93 for me. The unseen films are mostly ones I've actively avoided though.

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Post by Teproc » February 24th, 2020, 8:54 pm

3 films in the top 50 were already in the top 50 last year.

Other than that, I appreciate this a whole lot, very interesting to see the results, and it'll be even more interesting when we redo them in a few years I assume. I somehow doubt Tarantino (as much as I like the film) would top the list then.

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Post by beavis » February 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm

56/93 for me

I think strong representation of Oscar nominated movies has little to do with the movies on their own, or influence of the Academy's choices on our forum members, but more with availability of those movies. Amongst the films I haven't seen at the moment there are quite a few I expect to become favorites of mine, but they were not available to me yet, and in my country we are pretty blessed on the world cinema and arthouse front when it comes to cinema distribution. If you live in the US, options are extremely limited for instance.


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Post by sol » February 25th, 2020, 4:12 pm

Wow, these results feel almost as surreal as Parasite winning the two biggest awards on Oscar night. It's okay. Unpredictability is more fun after all. ;)

Echoing hurlu, I'm quite surprised that Pesci beat Pacino, but would have actually placed money on Dafoe or Pitt based on the ballot that I skimmed through. Surprise winners for Supporting Actress (not Dern or Pugh) and Actress too, though maybe I just didn't skim enough ballots for the latter. Interesting that Renee Zellweger didn't place at all (not seen Judy myself). I would have thought that Ronan would have it in the bag, but glad to see ScarJo triumph. No surprise on Best Actor but I would have thought that Sandler would be closer. And yeah, uh, that's a pretty major upset for Best Film with us going all Old Hollywood while Hollywood itself goes all international. Also surprised to not see 1917 in the top 10.
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Post by nimimerkillinen » February 25th, 2020, 4:22 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Thanks, Rufus!

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Post by Rufus-T » February 25th, 2020, 5:04 pm

Just noticed I missed a couple ballots. The result is updated. Only change in the top 20 is Pain & Glory moved up a spot.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » February 25th, 2020, 5:04 pm

beavis wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 9:45 pm
I think strong representation of Oscar nominated movies has little to do with the movies on their own, or influence of the Academy's choices on our forum members, but more with availability of those movies. Amongst the films I haven't seen at the moment there are quite a few I expect to become favorites of mine, but they were not available to me yet, and in my country we are pretty blessed on the world cinema and arthouse front when it comes to cinema distribution. If you live in the US, options are extremely limited for instance.
Yep, I think that is the primary explanation.

Anyways, I've seen 31/93 so far. Would like to have seen Little Women fare a bit better. Us making the top 20 :yucky:
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Post by Rufus-T » February 25th, 2020, 5:41 pm

blocho wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 8:22 pm
Rufus-T wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 8:10 pm
blocho wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Sorry to be a pain, but I think you missed my submission.
Thanks for pointing it out. Sorry for over looking. Fixed. That made a difference in the Top 20.
The slightest of differences :D

It's interesting that the top five movies were all Academy Award best picture nominees. And that three of the remaining nominees finished in the top 15. I wish I could say that this is a sign of academy voters coming around to the tastes of this forum, but I think it's more likely that nominations influenced viewing choices.
Interesting point. Personally, I thought the quality of this year's Oscar nominated movies are the best for a long time, probably since 2006. Ever since I start playing with listing year-end favorite movies, this is the first time I remember including all the nominees in my top 20 where my top 8 are nominees. Availability may have a lot to do with it too. Many, if not most, of the films below top 20 I never heard of.

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Post by St. Gloede » February 25th, 2020, 11:56 pm

Thank you for hosting, and your hard work, Rufus. Interesting results as always.

Too bad A Hidden Life finished outside the top 10 (still a better placement than expected), and good to see Martin Eden with decent support.

Strong top 10, and not a bad surprise to see Hollywood win, though I may slightly preer Parasite.

Unseen in the Top 20:

8. Midsommar (Low interest)
11. 1917 (Medium interest)
15. Little Women (Medium Interest)
16. Ad Astra (Low interest)
17. The Farewell (Low Interest)
18. Transit (High Interest)
19. Us (Low Interest)
20. Chernobyl (Medium Interest)

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Post by outdoorcats » February 26th, 2020, 3:51 am

This forum likes Joker that much? I thought it was Crash-level bad.

It actually reminded me a lot of Crash, in that both the filmmakers try to make Big Statements about something they are utterly clueless about (in this case, mental health).

Agreed with beavis that the results reflect more availability (hence, lots of Oscar nominated films) over pure preference. I'm curious to see what would change if the poll were repeated next year for example.

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Post by Cinepolis » February 26th, 2020, 6:22 am

Seen 5/93. Well, gotta do some catching up. "For Sama" will be released sometime in summer, "Monos" in the coming months and Parasite will be out in March. These are the ones I'm most interested in.

@beavis Agree. If you wanna visit a pure arthouse cinema in Germany, you have to make a trip to Berlin.

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Post by nimimerkillinen » February 26th, 2020, 9:02 am

outdoorcats wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 3:51 am
It actually reminded me a lot of Crash, in that both the filmmakers try to make Big Statements about something they are utterly clueless about (in this case, mental health).
care to elaborate how it was utterly clueless about mental health problems in those particular mental health problems he had?

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Post by Fergenaprido » February 26th, 2020, 12:43 pm

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February 26th, 2020, 3:51 am
Agreed with beavis that the results reflect more availability (hence, lots of Oscar nominated films) over pure preference. I'm curious to see what would change if the poll were repeated next year for example.
That's to be expected with the poll done so soon after the year is over. Same things happens in this particular poll every year.

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Post by sebby » February 26th, 2020, 12:58 pm

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February 26th, 2020, 3:51 am
This forum likes Joker that much? I thought it was Crash-level bad.

It actually reminded me a lot of Crash, in that both the filmmakers try to make Big Statements about something they are utterly clueless about (in this case, mental health).

Agreed with beavis that the results reflect more availability (hence, lots of Oscar nominated films) over pure preference. I'm curious to see what would change if the poll were repeated next year for example.
Crash is my all-time most hated film -- at least Joker had Joaquin and the mimicry of 70s NYC grit to give it some heft. In addition to being insulting Crash was just awful in every regard.

I think the biggest movers in a few years would be Portrait and Hidden Life. Could see those both in the top 4.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 26th, 2020, 1:26 pm

Thanks Rufus! Seen 42; top 20 films unseen are Portrait de la jeune fille en feu, A Hidden Life, Chernobyl. Others I'm most interested in would include Synonymes, Martin Eden, A Vida Invisível, Fyre, Ai-naki mori de sakebe and who-knows-if-it'll-ever-show up La flor. Looks like Portrait and Dragged Across Concrete will be possible cinema viewings in the next month, yay, the rest probably have to wait a while yet. America sucks! Make American Film Distribution Great Again! #MAFDGA

Anyway echoing others, distribution is as always a big part of why the results are what they are but - thus far - 2019 still seems overall a little weaker to me than the previous few years, with more disappointments and good-not-great than usual for me at this point. And the top 20 reflects that with only The Irishman and The Lighthouse films that I can really get behind strongly, and one of the worst top twos I've seen on any poll here. Eh, that's life.

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Post by blocho » February 26th, 2020, 4:00 pm

As I've said before, I think these polls should be done later: the 2019 poll at the end of 2020, the 2020 poll at the end of 2021, etc. The poll is decent now because some people in this forum regularly watch recently released movies. But a lot of others wait a bit. An example -- when this poll opened, I had seen 3 movies from 2019. By the time the poll closed, I had seen 11 from 2019. By the end of this year, my guess is that the number will be around 40. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this experience.

Again, the poll is fine now, but it could be a lot better by waiting a bit. What do others think?

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Post by Fergenaprido » February 26th, 2020, 4:24 pm

blocho wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 4:00 pm
As I've said before, I think these polls should be done later: the 2019 poll at the end of 2020, the 2020 poll at the end of 2021, etc. The poll is decent now because some people in this forum regularly watch recently released movies. But a lot of others wait a bit. An example -- when this poll opened, I had seen 3 movies from 2019. By the time the poll closed, I had seen 11 from 2019. By the end of this year, my guess is that the number will be around 40. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this experience.

Again, the poll is fine now, but it could be a lot better by waiting a bit. What do others think?
Agreed, but honestly doesn't bother me. I think there are enough people who enjoy this yearly poll and look forward to it, and I'm okay with that. I choose not to participate for most of the reasons you state, but it does me no harm if others want to do it (and it gives me a month of of planning films to see for a poll so I can watch other stuff). :D

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Post by nimimerkillinen » February 26th, 2020, 4:40 pm

id prefer it to be later next year too since next time its polled decade from now
having poll so soon makes sense too but the later one (or repoll later) would be much more interesting

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Post by albajos » February 26th, 2020, 4:50 pm

blocho wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 4:00 pm
By the time the poll closed, I had seen 11 from 2019
When the poll closed I had seen 80. plus all those eligible 2018 movies

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Post by St. Gloede » February 26th, 2020, 5:52 pm

The polls are held this early to tie in with the award season and serve as an early indicator while people are most passionate about discovering films from the year that was.

I would love a re-run a year after each vote however, and as we are an open forum anyone can organize it. If we have any colunteers we can run '18 as a follow-up for instance.

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Post by Teproc » February 26th, 2020, 6:51 pm

I'm fine with them being held during awards season, assuming we'll redo them in a few years. I am not fine with the eligbility nonsense which leads to films showing up multiple times in consecutive years though. IMDB years are used for every other poll, why not these ?

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Post by joachimt » February 26th, 2020, 7:01 pm

Teproc wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 6:51 pm
I'm fine with them being held during awards season, assuming we'll redo them in a few years. I am not fine with the eligbility nonsense which leads to films showing up multiple times in consecutive years though. IMDB years are used for every other poll, why not these ?
Because people couldn't even watch some 2018-movies before the 2018-poll, because they hadn't even be released in their country.
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Post by Teproc » February 26th, 2020, 7:02 pm

joachimt wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Teproc wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 6:51 pm
I'm fine with them being held during awards season, assuming we'll redo them in a few years. I am not fine with the eligbility nonsense which leads to films showing up multiple times in consecutive years though. IMDB years are used for every other poll, why not these ?
Because people couldn't even watch some 2018-movies before the 2018-poll, because they hadn't even be released in their country.
I'll rephrase: I get why, I just don't think it's worth having the same movies show up in multiple years. Just because I didn't see The Favourite in time for last year's poll doesn't mean I should be voting for it this year: no one is ever going to be seeing that as a 2019 film in the future.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » February 26th, 2020, 7:16 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 5:52 pm
The polls are held this early to tie in with the award season and serve as an early indicator while people are most passionate about discovering films from the year that was.

I would love a re-run a year after each vote however, and as we are an open forum anyone can organize it. If we have any colunteers we can run '18 as a follow-up for instance.
I agree with this. I think having them close after the end of the year makes it an interesting gauge of which movies people liked and are worth checking out.

But because of the flaws of voting so soon I take this poll result less serious than other yearly polls

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Post by blocho » February 26th, 2020, 9:00 pm

joachimt wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Teproc wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 6:51 pm
I'm fine with them being held during awards season, assuming we'll redo them in a few years. I am not fine with the eligbility nonsense which leads to films showing up multiple times in consecutive years though. IMDB years are used for every other poll, why not these ?
Because people couldn't even watch some 2018-movies before the 2018-poll, because they hadn't even be released in their country.
Another great reason to wait a little big longer for these polls.

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Post by outdoorcats » February 26th, 2020, 11:08 pm

nimimerkillinen wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 9:02 am
outdoorcats wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 3:51 am
It actually reminded me a lot of Crash, in that both the filmmakers try to make Big Statements about something they are utterly clueless about (in this case, mental health).
care to elaborate how it was utterly clueless about mental health problems in those particular mental health problems he had?
No one with any say in the creative department who has been on either side of giving or receiving mental health services, ever, was on the set for the scenes where he meets with his therapist/counselor. All of them were unintentionally hilarious, and anyone who had ever been to counseling could have pointed it out.

Also, what mental health problems did Arthur have? What was his DSM III* diagnosis? I'd actually be impressed if anyone on set could have told you. He was a checklist of poverty porn cliches and mental health stereotypes.

In general, it reminded me of how politicians and media figures talk vaguely about "mental health" whenever there's a mass shooter (that isn't religiously motivated) seemingly with the understanding that these perpetrators of violence are the face of mental health problems, when in reality they more accurately just represent extreme privilege and entitlement, as most people with mental health crises only hurt themselves through self-destructive behavior (and their problems tend to be invisible as opposed to expressed in extreme/bizarre tics and behavior).

*I'm dating the film to the mid '80s

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Post by nimimerkillinen » February 27th, 2020, 8:03 am

outdoorcats wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 11:08 pm
nimimerkillinen wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 9:02 am
outdoorcats wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 3:51 am
It actually reminded me a lot of Crash, in that both the filmmakers try to make Big Statements about something they are utterly clueless about (in this case, mental health).
care to elaborate how it was utterly clueless about mental health problems in those particular mental health problems he had?
No one with any say in the creative department who has been on either side of giving or receiving mental health services, ever, was on the set for the scenes where he meets with his therapist/counselor. All of them were unintentionally hilarious, and anyone who had ever been to counseling could have pointed it out.

Also, what mental health problems did Arthur have? What was his DSM III* diagnosis? I'd actually be impressed if anyone on set could have told you. He was a checklist of poverty porn cliches and mental health stereotypes.

In general, it reminded me of how politicians and media figures talk vaguely about "mental health" whenever there's a mass shooter (that isn't religiously motivated) seemingly with the understanding that these perpetrators of violence are the face of mental health problems, when in reality they more accurately just represent extreme privilege and entitlement, as most people with mental health crises only hurt themselves through self-destructive behavior (and their problems tend to be invisible as opposed to expressed in extreme/bizarre tics and behavior).

*I'm dating the film to the mid '80s
its a comic movie so not surprising that counselling part of it was unrealistic to our universe, afterall it is gotham, not new york

i dont know about Arthurs diagnosis but ive got several. asperger, bipolar, daily psychotic stuff, bpd (probably other pds too), panic disorder. i also get daily dissociative, depersonalization, derealization thoughts and have often battle with laughing involuntarily in not proper situations

i dont think he was even that was so far fetched stereotype. the situation he was in was pretty elaborate but its a comic movie afterall. in that context his actions seemed fairly realistic even tho elaborate too. like handling going off many different meds at once so fast that way. dunno what meds he had been on tho but those would explain the shape he was in and what the meds and himself was supressing. not all behaviour is invisible to others especially if he was a bit on the spectrum or another and there can be tipping point where your bizarre behaviour is so overt you cant hide it

thats true that most but it doesnt mean it cant be definitely to some so your comment on not being accurate seems weird to me but not being fair in message makes sense even tho i think its true that if societial structure and people messes with some people with extreme mental health problems (especially decades), they can at point lash out for sure

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Post by Onderhond » February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am

joachimt wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Teproc wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 6:51 pm
I'm fine with them being held during awards season, assuming we'll redo them in a few years. I am not fine with the eligbility nonsense which leads to films showing up multiple times in consecutive years though. IMDB years are used for every other poll, why not these ?
Because people couldn't even watch some 2018-movies before the 2018-poll, because they hadn't even be released in their country.
This exact discussion happens on every forum. I don't bother with local release dates, I go by IMDb year info, but after going through this same discussion for about 20 years now, I know there's no middle ground.

The "problem" with redoing this poll in the coming years is that people will forget about the more complex eligibility rules and will default to IMDb years, so they'll be somewhat harder to compare.

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Post by Onderhond » February 27th, 2020, 9:19 am

joachimt wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Because people couldn't even watch some 2018-movies before the 2018-poll, because they hadn't even be released in their country.
It's a practical concession (which I don't agree with, but ultimately learned to condole), but not really a good argument. So many movies out there don't even get a local release, so by that same measure I could start adding 2014 Japanese films that finally got a fansub in 2019?

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Post by Ebbywebby » February 28th, 2020, 11:25 am

Gosh, how did I ever miss that Rammstein video?

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Post by Rufus-T » February 29th, 2020, 3:08 am

joachimt wrote:
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I suck at recent movies, because I rarely go to the cinema. I've seen 5/93 of that list.
You now have plenty of recommendation :thumbsup:

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Post by Rufus-T » February 29th, 2020, 3:14 am

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Wow, these results feel almost as surreal as Parasite winning the two biggest awards on Oscar night. It's okay. Unpredictability is more fun after all. ;)

Echoing hurlu, I'm quite surprised that Pesci beat Pacino, but would have actually placed money on Dafoe or Pitt based on the ballot that I skimmed through. Surprise winners for Supporting Actress (not Dern or Pugh) and Actress too, though maybe I just didn't skim enough ballots for the latter. Interesting that Renee Zellweger didn't place at all (not seen Judy myself). I would have thought that Ronan would have it in the bag, but glad to see ScarJo triumph. No surprise on Best Actor but I would have thought that Sandler would be closer. And yeah, uh, that's a pretty major upset for Best Film with us going all Old Hollywood while Hollywood itself goes all international. Also surprised to not see 1917 in the top 10.
The irony between the Oscar and this forum :lol: This forum certainly is unpredictable. I wonder which was more shocking, this or Woman of the Dunes over Dr. Strangelove.

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Post by Rufus-T » February 29th, 2020, 3:59 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
February 26th, 2020, 7:16 pm
I think having them close after the end of the year makes it an interesting gauge of which movies people liked and are worth checking out.
Exactly. We know that the group in this forum is full of experts in old films. I don't mean just classic old films, but old old obscure films as well. If someone here is holding on to some lost film in the attic, I will not be surprised :lol: As to recent film, this poll give us a feel how the forum is doing overall in catching up with recent film by year end. Whatever the result came about is where we stand. Nothing good or bad about it. It is expected that many of the films will not be watched. Yet, we still able to gather a solid list of recommendation, which shows that we are pretty good overall in catching up. Thanks to the list, I added transit and Chernobyl, among the others, on my Netflix queue.

Movies that won the various awards during the award season often win on the momentum that is gauge by the industry. Many disagreed with the winner. The winner may turn out to be the choice that did not stand the test of time. This poll is like our movie award for last year's films. Our regular year-by-year poll, which gives at least a 10 year gap, offers in a small way to measure the test of time. Even that, many people do not get to see every movie from a particular year, and 10 years may not even be enough, let alone 1 year. If anyone wants to run the 2019 poll end of 2020, I'll definitely be happy to participate, but I will put more of my focus on 2020 films at that time.

I don't think it is a problem when film appear in two year in a row. This just go to show that we are an international forum with different film availability. After seeing the some ballots, I do think it is not fair that a person vote the same film or a performance two years in a row. One minor twitch I may consider If I we run the year-end poll again and that I get to host is limiting the voter to decide which year a film belongs to, i.e. a vote a film one year disqualify for that voter to vote for the film again for the following year. I mean, I could be wrong. It is all subjective. We'll see when next year come around. Overall, I thought we have another successful polling thanks to all participating. I look forward to those films coming in from Netflix. ;)

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