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Post by Dolwphin » May 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm

LA Plays Itself might have not made the list, but it sure captured everybody's attention. Congrats to a successful PR-campaign.

It doesn't seem to have much artistic merit (based on publicly available screen-shots) and I would demand almost 2001 levels to compensate for the fact that it is a gay porno.
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Post by OldAle1 » May 13th, 2020, 4:35 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm
LA Plays Itself might have not made the list, but it sure captured everybody's attention. Congrats to a successful PR-campaign.

It doesn't seem to have much artistic merit (based on publicly available screen-shots) and I would demand almost 2001 levels to compensate for the fact that it is a gay porno.
I don't know that the "gay" part matters, unless it's a well-known and generally agreed-on opinion that gay porn is typically artistically inferior to straight porn - could be, I have no idea. The porn part - I dunno. I'm not sure I've seen any porn that I would call artistically significant, but then I haven't seen much of anything from the "golden age" when there really was some attempt being made to treat it like a legitimate, alternate type of cinema. Certainly there are films from that era that aren't typically called porn, like Sweet Sweetback, that are more sexually explicit than anything in mainstream cinema since, that I do consider great. So I'm prepared to give some of these films chances at some point, in most cases if they reflect other interests of mine, i.e. the X-rated Alice in Wonderland because I love all things Alice. L.A. Plays Itself is on my to-see list because of Andersen's documentary, and I really don't think he picked the film just because the name was something he wanted to reference; I think it's there as an example of a marginalized cinema and community, something he focuses on to a significant extent towards the end of his film, mostly as regards the Latino community and the L.A. Rebellion movement among African-American filmmakers. So I think he's got his reasons for including Halsted's film, and given how much I admire Andersen I'm prepared to follow him there for an hour, though I don't have particularly high expectations.

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2020, 4:36 pm

sortile9io wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:05 pm
Out of curiosity, I have plotted the ratings of all the nominations vs the year and the number of votes. I don't expect to gain much insight from it but it is somehow amusing.
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:wub: Amazing graphs. Thanks!
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...as I’ve said DtC is above all an act of cinephilia, an act of love for film, and although throwing a title that is on the Official list into a re-voting process is something that is allowed in the rules, courteous cinephiliac manners along these years dictate that if it's a very recent addition, it should stay a little while at least, maybe more people can catch that particular title and make their own judgments. The film in question of course was Halsted's 'LA Plays Itself', the only film I gave a 5 this year. I really didn’t like what the nominator did, first because I'm pretty sure he hasn't seen the film, thus putting into check what should be an act of love into one of anti-cinephillia, and worse, with a patronizing, superior stance, as per this own thread (
At least we got rid of it. I took one for the team
). Who are this "we"?; I knew exactly which film I was voting for, - I, and several others -, I didn’t mix it with Andersen's film, so please don't include me on that "we" or that "team", I demand respect for my vote, last year, and this year.
I agree with your sentiment overall, but in this particular case I believe it was renominated because several people (though obviously not all) last year indicated they had been confused and had voted for the wrong film. Thus, I can understand renominating the film if you believe that it made the list through an error in the first place; I don't think it has anything to do with disrespecting anyone's vote.
I thought the nominator this year had seen the film, but I just checked and it seems you are correct, he hasn't, and I concur that nominating it without having seen it yourself is in poor taste (even if it's not against the rules).

There are other films in the past that made the list and then when people saw them they hated them, but to my knowledge they haven't been renominated yet out of spite, so I believe this is a unique case and not a sign of a trend.

FWIW, I watched LA Plays Itself shortly after it made the list, and I disliked it. :P There are plenty of dislikes on the DTC list for me, but I'm not particularly bothered by them making the list if others genuinely enjoy them.

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Post by insomnius » May 13th, 2020, 4:46 pm

jdidaco wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 3:56 pm
...as I’ve said DtC is above all an act of cinephilia, an act of love for film, and although throwing a title that is on the Official list into a re-voting process is something that is allowed in the rules, courteous cinephiliac manners along these years dictate that if it's a very recent addition, it should stay a little while at least, maybe more people can catch that particular title and make their own judgments. The film in question of course was Halsted's 'LA Plays Itself', the only film I gave a 5 this year. I really didn’t like what the nominator did, first because I'm pretty sure he hasn't seen the film, thus putting into check what should be an act of love into one of anti-cinephillia, and worse, with a patronizing, superior stance, as per this own thread (
At least we got rid of it. I took one for the team
). Who are this "we"?; I knew exactly which film I was voting for, - I, and several others -, I didn’t mix it with Andersen's film, so please don't include me on that "we" or that "team", I demand respect for my vote, last year, and this year.
Except for trying to save this film, he put me off from participating altogether this year, and I've enjoyed this game for 10 years. Team No Manners, I assume.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 13th, 2020, 4:53 pm

mjf314 wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:14 pm
beasterne wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 3:59 pm
Angel Glez wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 8:03 pm
The Wrong Trousers1993Nick Park:imdb:ChrisReynolds3,8263
My favorite short of all time falls off the list by 0.08 points. (u)
I gave it a 6 if I remember correctly. I'm surprised it dropped off.
Back in 2012, The Wrong Trousers was #38 on the DtC list. It feels like the makeup of the voters or the way people vote has shifted over the years. At least one of my nominations, Threads made it back on the list.

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Post by AdamH » May 13th, 2020, 4:56 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:35 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm
LA Plays Itself might have not made the list, but it sure captured everybody's attention. Congrats to a successful PR-campaign.

It doesn't seem to have much artistic merit (based on publicly available screen-shots) and I would demand almost 2001 levels to compensate for the fact that it is a gay porno.
I don't know that the "gay" part matters, unless it's a well-known and generally agreed-on opinion that gay porn is typically artistically inferior to straight porn - could be, I have no idea. The porn part - I dunno. I'm not sure I've seen any porn that I would call artistically significant, but then I haven't seen much of anything from the "golden age" when there really was some attempt being made to treat it like a legitimate, alternate type of cinema. Certainly there are films from that era that aren't typically called porn, like Sweet Sweetback, that are more sexually explicit than anything in mainstream cinema since, that I do consider great. So I'm prepared to give some of these films chances at some point, in most cases if they reflect other interests of mine, i.e. the X-rated Alice in Wonderland because I love all things Alice. L.A. Plays Itself is on my to-see list because of Andersen's documentary, and I really don't think he picked the film just because the name was something he wanted to reference; I think it's there as an example of a marginalized cinema and community, something he focuses on to a significant extent towards the end of his film, mostly as regards the Latino community and the L.A. Rebellion movement among African-American filmmakers. So I think he's got his reasons for including Halsted's film, and given how much I admire Andersen I'm prepared to follow him there for an hour, though I don't have particularly high expectations.
I've seen a couple of people use the term "gay porno" as the reason they dislike it rather than just "porno" as if somehow a straight porn film would have got the thumbs up for them in such a list. I don't think the "gay" part should be the focus of the discussion but rather the merits of porn in general.

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Post by tobias » May 13th, 2020, 5:01 pm

jdidaco wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 3:56 pm
the first, was Cavalcanti's 'En rade' the only film I gave a 6 this year, its modernity and willingness to experiment with the medium putting into shame most contemporary (or any) cinema I’ve seen recently (particularly in the juxtaposition of physical spaces/landscapes of the mind-body).
I love films about the sea and I love silent films so this sounds right up my alley. Where can it be found?

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Post by mjf314 » May 13th, 2020, 5:02 pm

AdamH wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:56 pm
I've seen a couple of people use the term "gay porno" as the reason they dislike it rather than just "porno" as if somehow a straight porn film would have got the thumbs up for them in such a list. I don't think the "gay" part should be the focus of the discussion but rather the merits of porn in general.
Or you could judge the film on its own merit, rather than judging it by its genre.

I haven't seen it, but according to Wikipedia it's experimental, so maybe it's very different from other porn films.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 13th, 2020, 5:08 pm

AdamH wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:56 pm


I've seen a couple of people use the term "gay porno" as the reason they dislike it rather than just "porno" as if somehow a straight porn film would have got the thumbs up for them in such a list. I don't think the "gay" part should be the focus of the discussion but rather the merits of porn in general.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at in the first part of my post. To be fair I have read that in a couple of places that gay porn often tends to be of lower quality because of lower budgets, and an audience even less interested in "story" than the straight audience; I worked in video stores for a decade and we got a lot of industry material, including gay and straight porn newsletters and release sheets, and for a couple of years I was the buyer also (don't remember if we were buying new porn at that point now - I don't think so - but we still got the advertising), and that was a general impression I got that seemed to be prevalent; this was ca 1987-97. But I really don't necessarily trust the industry stuff, and independent criticism regarding porn isn't something I've ever seen to any great extent. Most of the porn and pseudo-porn I've seen from the 70s and early 80s is pretty damn poor technically and in terms of acting, direction, etc, so honestly I'm not sure what the standards really are; it's always difficult to adjust your expectations to a different form of cinema and however broad one's tastes are, some things you're just never going to "get". I suspect porn-as-art is in that category for me but I'm not at the point where I've ruled it out.


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Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2020, 5:24 pm

mjf314 wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:02 pm
AdamH wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:56 pm
I've seen a couple of people use the term "gay porno" as the reason they dislike it rather than just "porno" as if somehow a straight porn film would have got the thumbs up for them in such a list. I don't think the "gay" part should be the focus of the discussion but rather the merits of porn in general.
Or you could judge the film on its own merit, rather than judging it by its genre.

I haven't seen it, but according to Wikipedia it's experimental, so maybe it's very different from other porn films.
It definitely is more experimental than your standard gay porn, 70s or otherwise. Yes, you't got typical bad acting and poor production value, but I'd say it has more in common with other experimental films of the era than it does other pornos.

If you're not afraid that watching it will turn you gay, I say give it a whirl. :lol: It's not that long and I can think of plenty experimental films that are worse.
If you're hoping that watching it will turn you gay, maybe adjust your expectations first. :P

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Post by 72aicm » May 13th, 2020, 5:29 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Updated the ICM list.
Thanks! Wrong Heimat 2 entry though?

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 13th, 2020, 5:35 pm

I went from 138 to 111 films. Quite a drop

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Post by joachimt » May 13th, 2020, 5:39 pm

mauries wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 8:50 am
Three films straight in!

Het Oog Boven de Put 4.67 / 9
La Casa Lobo 4.06 / 17
Time Indefinite 4,21 / 15

Sad about Stage Door (3,89 / 39), but I guess I shouldn't complain :D
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 13th, 2020, 5:40 pm

72aicm wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:29 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Updated the ICM list.
Thanks! Wrong Heimat 2 entry though?
Forgot about that one. I'll fix it in a second.

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Post by Dolwphin » May 13th, 2020, 5:42 pm

AdamH wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:56 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:35 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:23 pm
LA Plays Itself might have not made the list, but it sure captured everybody's attention. Congrats to a successful PR-campaign.

It doesn't seem to have much artistic merit (based on publicly available screen-shots) and I would demand almost 2001 levels to compensate for the fact that it is a gay porno.
I don't know that the "gay" part matters, unless it's a well-known and generally agreed-on opinion that gay porn is typically artistically inferior to straight porn - could be, I have no idea. The porn part - I dunno. I'm not sure I've seen any porn that I would call artistically significant, but then I haven't seen much of anything from the "golden age" when there really was some attempt being made to treat it like a legitimate, alternate type of cinema. Certainly there are films from that era that aren't typically called porn, like Sweet Sweetback, that are more sexually explicit than anything in mainstream cinema since, that I do consider great. So I'm prepared to give some of these films chances at some point, in most cases if they reflect other interests of mine, i.e. the X-rated Alice in Wonderland because I love all things Alice. L.A. Plays Itself is on my to-see list because of Andersen's documentary, and I really don't think he picked the film just because the name was something he wanted to reference; I think it's there as an example of a marginalized cinema and community, something he focuses on to a significant extent towards the end of his film, mostly as regards the Latino community and the L.A. Rebellion movement among African-American filmmakers. So I think he's got his reasons for including Halsted's film, and given how much I admire Andersen I'm prepared to follow him there for an hour, though I don't have particularly high expectations.
I've seen a couple of people use the term "gay porno" as the reason they dislike it rather than just "porno" as if somehow a straight porn film would have got the thumbs up for them in such a list. I don't think the "gay" part should be the focus of the discussion but rather the merits of porn in general.
I'm straight, thus completely uninterested in gay porn. Straight porn at least have some merit in that regard.
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Post by joachimt » May 13th, 2020, 5:43 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:39 pm
mauries wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 8:50 am
Three films straight in!

Het Oog Boven de Put 4.67 / 9
La Casa Lobo 4.06 / 17
Time Indefinite 4,21 / 15

Sad about Stage Door (3,89 / 39), but I guess I shouldn't complain :D
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Post by 72aicm » May 13th, 2020, 5:49 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:36 pm
in this particular case I believe it was renominated because several people (though obviously not all) last year indicated they had been confused and had voted for the wrong film.
I think some people was baffled that the movie got such a high score and used the name simularity as an excuse. I do not recall anyone actually saying that they voted for the wrong movie.

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2020, 5:56 pm

72aicm wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:49 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:36 pm
in this particular case I believe it was renominated because several people (though obviously not all) last year indicated they had been confused and had voted for the wrong film.
I think some people was baffled that the movie got such a high score and used the name simularity as an excuse. I do not recall anyone actually saying that they voted for the wrong movie.
At least two, from what I could tell.
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May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am
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Seems you're right. I haven't seen either, but I thought it was the 2003 doc that was nominated, didn't realize they had slightly different titles (LA Plays Itself vs Los Angeles Plays Itself) and ignored the years. I suspect it's the experimental aspect that people voted for as opposed to the porn aspect... the experimental mafia was strong this year and seemingly well-coordinated :D
I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
I thought it was Thom Andersen's essay film. Don't know how i managed to miss the release date. Well, it's just a list.

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Fergenaprido wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:28 am

Seems you're right. I haven't seen either, but I thought it was the 2003 doc that was nominated, didn't realize they had slightly different titles (LA Plays Itself vs Los Angeles Plays Itself) and ignored the years. I suspect it's the experimental aspect that people voted for as opposed to the porn aspect... the experimental mafia was strong this year and seemingly well-coordinated :D
I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
Ääääh. Yeah I mixed it up!
But putting "LA Plays itself" into google, brings up "Los Angeles plays itself" in the first position.
The movie that was nominated actually is called "L.A. Plays Itself" - So there is a slightly but important difference of two dots.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » May 13th, 2020, 5:56 pm

Here's another interesting graph:

IMDb ratings vs. Doubling the Canon ratings for all the films nominated this year.

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No correlation, despite the ratings both being generated from averaged sets of votes.

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Post by 72aicm » May 13th, 2020, 6:02 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:56 pm
72aicm wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:49 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:36 pm
in this particular case I believe it was renominated because several people (though obviously not all) last year indicated they had been confused and had voted for the wrong film.
I think some people was baffled that the movie got such a high score and used the name simularity as an excuse. I do not recall anyone actually saying that they voted for the wrong movie.
At least two, from what I could tell.
from last year's threadShow
russa03 wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 9:11 am
Ebbywebby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am


I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
I thought it was Thom Andersen's essay film. Don't know how i managed to miss the release date. Well, it's just a list.

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 3:32 pm
Ebbywebby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 4:59 am


I wonder how many of the film's 11 voters had the very same confusion. I mean, this film was rated *4.30*. Anyone want to confess?
Ääääh. Yeah I mixed it up!
But putting "LA Plays itself" into google, brings up "Los Angeles plays itself" in the first position.
The movie that was nominated actually is called "L.A. Plays Itself" - So there is a slightly but important difference of two dots.
Okey, pardon my faulty memory.

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Post by beavis » May 13th, 2020, 6:04 pm

Went from 832 checks to 730.... but the list is 105 shorter... so did i lose or gain checks? :)

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2020, 6:09 pm

72aicm wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 6:02 pm
Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:56 pm
72aicm wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:49 pm

I think some people was baffled that the movie got such a high score and used the name simularity as an excuse. I do not recall anyone actually saying that they voted for the wrong movie.
At least two, from what I could tell.
from last year's threadShow
russa03 wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 9:11 am


I thought it was Thom Andersen's essay film. Don't know how i managed to miss the release date. Well, it's just a list.

Jimi Antiloop wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 3:32 pm


Ääääh. Yeah I mixed it up!
But putting "LA Plays itself" into google, brings up "Los Angeles plays itself" in the first position.
The movie that was nominated actually is called "L.A. Plays Itself" - So there is a slightly but important difference of two dots.
Okey, pardon my faulty memory.
No worries. I went back and checked the old thread myself before posting here because I also wasn't sure. :)

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Post by 72aicm » May 13th, 2020, 6:11 pm

I went from 778 to 676.

Will someone do the honor of creating a 2021 iCM list of all the revotes and holdovers? :)

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2020, 6:22 pm

Here's my summary for this year.

2.25 - 4 - Ai no onimotsu [Burden of Love] (1955)
2.67 - 6 - Avant que de tout perdre [Just Before Losing Everything] (2013)

3.89 - 9 - Bent (1997) - so so close! May try this again soon.
3.33 - 6 -Ginza 24 chou [Tales of Ginza] (1955)
2.60 - 5 - Mãe Só Há Uma [Don't Call Me Son] (2016)
3.39 - 19 - Naissance des pieuvres [Water Lilies] (2007)
2.71 - 7 - Outrageous! (1977)
2.50 - 26 - Plastic Bag (2009)
2.36 - 12 - Rafiki [Friend] (2018)
3.52 - 27 - Rawhide (1951)
3.18 - 31 - Sleepers (1996)
3.40 - 5 - Tab Hunter Confidential (2015)


Did worse than expected and worse than I usually do. Perhaps next year I'll nominate a bunch of experimental films I dislike and see how many I can get it :P
Nothing truly surprising about the results, i suppose, though. Especially since overall the scores were lower than before.

3.00 - 28 - Le fleuve aux grandes eaux [The Mighty River] (1993) - This was my first successful nomination 5 years ago; quite the steep drop upon revoting (it was 4.14 from 15 votes in 2015)
3.30 - 30 - Polytechnique (2009) - someone else nominated it this year, and despite doubling the number of votes it's average only dropped slightly, which is not bat (it was 3.38 from 14 votes in 2016)
3.67 - 6 - Visaaranai [Interrogation] (2015) - finally fell off the holdovers list, sadly; I really thought this one had a chance if enough people saw it (5.00 from 2 votes in 2017, then someone else nominated it and it was 4.60 from 5 votes in 2018, and 4.33 from 6 votes in 2019)

Went from 280/1205 (23.2%) and rank #320 to 238/1100 (21.6%) and a rank that will probably be in the #350-400 range. The Tin award still seems far out of reach. I did a better job of prioritizing watching revotes and holdovers in advance this past year, though, so I'll continue to do that.
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Will someone do the honor of creating a 2021 iCM list of all the revotes and holdovers? :)
+1
Last year's list was really useful.
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...A Valparaíso (1965)
23 Paces to Baker Street (1956)
4 passi fra le nuvole [Four Steps in the Clouds] (1942)
71 (2014)
A Comédia de Deus [God's Comedy] (1995)
A Cottage on Dartmoor (1929)
A Dança dos Paroxismos [The Dance of the Paroxysms] (1929)
A Face in the Crowd (1957)
A Light in the Fog (2008)
A Spell to Ward Off the Darkness (2013)
A Zed & Two Noughts (1985)
A zori zdes tikhie [The Dawns Here Are Quiet] (1972)
Adua e le compagne [Adua and Her Friends] (1960)
After Hours (1985)
Agatha et les lectures illimitées [Agatha and the Limitless Readings] (1981)
Air Force (1943)
Akai satsui [Intentions of Murder] (1964)
All That Money Can Buy (1941)
Amator [Camera Buff] (1979)
American Dreams: Lost and Found (1984)
Amma Ariyan [Report to Mother] (1986)
Amor de Perdição: Memórias de uma Família [Doomed Love] (1978)
Angèle (1934)
Ani to sono imoto [A Brother and His Younger Sister] (1939)
Aprili (1961)
Arigatô-san (Mr. Thank You)
Arsenic and Old Lace (1944)
Ashug-Karibi [Ashik Kerib] (1988)
At' zije Republika [Long Live the Republic] (1965)
Aventurera (1950)
Baby ryazanskie [Women of Ryazan] (1927)
Banditi a Orgosolo [Bandits of Orgosolo] (1961)
Baraka (1992)
Bashu, gharibeye koochak [Bashu, the Little Stranger] (1989)
Bilder der Welt und Inschrift des Krieges [Images of the World and the Inscription of War] (1989)
Black Harvest (1992)
Blast of Silence (1961)
Blue Collar (1978)
Buffet froid (1979)
Bunny Lake Is Missing (1965)
Caged (1950)
Canyon Passage (1946)
Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)
Chinesisches Roulette [Chinese Roulette] (1976)
City That Never Sleeps (1953)
Constans [The Constant Factor] (1980)
Coup de torchon (1981)
Criss Cross (1949)
Crónica de un niño solo [Chronicle of a Boy Alone] (1965)
Csend és kiáltás [Silence and Cry] (1968)
Culloden (1964)
Da nao tian gong [The Monkey King] (1965)
Dabba [The Lunchbox] (2013)
Daleká cesta [Distant Journey] (1950)
Démanty noci [Diamonds of the Night] (1964)
Der Fall Gleiwitz [The Gleiwitz Case] (1961)
Der Mörder Dimitri Karamasoff [The Murderer Dimitri Karamazov] (1931)
Destry Rides Again (1939)
Deutschland bleiche Mutter [Germany, Pale Mother] (1980)
Die Brücke [The Bridge] (1959)
Die freudlose Gasse [The Joyless Street] (1925)
Dolgie provody [The Long Farewell] (1971)
Donovan's Reef (1963)
Drive a Crooked Road (1954)
Dvadtsat dney bez voyny [Twenty Days Without War] (1977)
Dzhamilya [Jamilya] (1969)
El haram [The Sin] (1965)
Era notte a Roma [Escape by Night] (1960)
Ere erera baleibu icik subua aruaren (1970)
Faraon [Pharaoh] (1966)
Feng ai [Til Madness Do Us Part] (2013)
Feu Mathias Pascal [The Living Dead Man] (1926)
Flatlife (2004)
From Hell to Texas (1958)
Fuefukigawa [The River Fuefuki] (1960)
Gamlet [Hamlet] (1964)
Gaslight (1944)
Gentleman Jim (1942)
Geschichtsunterricht [History Lessons] (1972)
Geung si sin sang [Mr. Vampire] (1985)
Gheisar (1969)
Girl Walk: All Day (2011)
Gishiki [The Ceremony] (1971)
Gueule d'amour [Lady Killer] (1937)
Gunman's Walk (1958)
Hadashi no Gen [Barefoot Gen] (1983)
Hai tan de yi tian [That Day, on the Beach] (1983)
Hail the Conquering Hero (1944)
Hatsukoi: Jigoku-hen [Nanami: The Inferno of First Love] (1968)
Heroes for Sale (1933)
Heung Gong jai jo [Made in Hong Kong] (1997)
High School (1968)
Hobson's Choice (1954)
I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang (1932)
Il cammino della speranza [Path of Hope] (1950)
Il Generale della Rovere [General della Rovere] (1959)
Il grande silenzio [The Great Silence] (1968)
Ilha das Flores [Isle of Flowers] (1989)
Imburnal [Sewer] (2008)
Incompreso. Vita col figlio [Misunderstood] (1967)
Ingen numsil [The Story of the Weeping Camel] (2003)
Institute Benjamenta, or This Dream People Call Human Life (1995)
Intruder in the Dust (1949)
Io la conoscevo bene [ I Knew Her Well] (1965)
Iskanderija... lih? [Alexandria... Why?] (1979)
It's Always Fair Weather (1955)
Izgnanie [The Banishment] (2007)
Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern [Hunting Scenes from Bavaria] (1969)
Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)
Kakushi-toride no san-akunin [The Hidden Fortress] (1958)
Kanojo to kare [She and He] (1963)
Kanzashi [Ornamental Hairpin] (1941)
Kapurush [The Coward] (1965)
Kárhozat [Damnation] (1988)
Khake Sar Beh Morh [The Sealed Soil] (1977)
Koibumi [Love Letter] (1953)
Kôshikei [Death by Hanging] (1968)
Kurenai no buta [Porco Rosso] (1992)
La belle équipe [They Were Five] (1936)
La bête lumineuse [The Shimmering Beast] (1982)
La coquille et le clergyman [The Seashell and the Clergyman] (1928)
La drôlesse [The Hussy] (1979)
La femme de l'aviateur [The Aviator's Wife] (1981)
La gloire de mon père [My Father's Glory] (1990)
La grande guerra [The Great War] (1959)
La Grande Vadrouille [Don't Look Now... We're Being Shot At!] (1966)
La guerre d'un seul homme [One Man's War] (1982)
La gueule ouverte [The Mouth Agape] (1974)
La kermesse héroïque [Carnaval in Flanders] (1935)
La maison des bois [The House in the Woods] (1971)
La muerte de un burócrata [Death of a Bureaucrat] (1966)
La otra [The Other One] (1946)
La planète sauvage [Fantastic Planet] (1973)
La prima Angélica [Cousin Angelica] (1974)
La signora di tutti [Everybody's Woman] (1934)
La tía Tula [Aunt Tula] (1964)
Lady for a Day (1933)
L'Ami de mon amie [Boyfriends and Girlfriends] (1987)
Landscape Suicide (1987)
Le château de ma mère [My Mother's Castle] (1990)
Le déjeuner sur l'herbe [Picnic on the Grass] (1959)
Le doulos (1962)
Le joli mai [The Lovely Month of May] (1963)
Le pont du Nord (1981)
Le révélateur (1968)
Le roi et l'oiseau [The King and the Mockingbird] (1980)
Le roman d'un tricheur [The Story of a Cheat] (1936)
Le souffle au coeur [Murmur of the Heart] (1971)
Les misérables (1934)
Les Ordres [Orderers] (1974)
Les rendez-vous d'Anna (1978)
Les trois couronnes du matelot [Three Crowns of the Sailor] (1983)
Lettre d'un cinéaste à sa fille [Letter from a Filmmaker to His Daughter] (2002)
Liang Shan Bo yu Zhu Ying Tai [The Love Eterne] (1963)
L'Inde fantôme [Phantom India] (1969)
Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
Lonesome (1928)
Lucky Star (1929)
Lumière d'été (1943)
Man jeuk [Sparrow] (2008)
Marg Yazdgerd [Death of Yazdgerd] (1982)
Marty (1955)
Maskerade [Masquerade in Vienna] (1934)
Mauvais sang (1986)
Meshi [Repast] (1951)
Midaregumo [Scattered Clouds] (1967)
Midareru [Yearning] (1964)
Minamata: Kanja-san to sono sekai [Minamata: The Victims and Their World] (1971)
Minnie and Moskowitz (1971)
Mogholha [The Mongols] (1973)
Mon oncle Antoine (1971)
Moses und Aron [Moses and Aaron] (1975)
Ms .45 (1981)
Muerte de un ciclista [Death of a Cyclist] (1955)
Mula sa kung ano ang noon [From What Is Before] (2014)
Murder, My Sweet (1944)
Museum Highlights: A Gallery Talk (1989)
Nathalie Granger (1972)
Near Death (1989)
Neco z Alenky [Alice] (1988)
Neighbors (1920)
No Name on the Bullet (1959)
None Shall Escape (1944)
Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht [Nosferatu the Vampyre] (1979)
Nous ne vieillirons pas ensemble [We Won't Grow Old Together] (1972)
O drakos [The Ogre of Athens] (1956)
O Menino e o Mundo [Boy & the World] (2013)
O methystakas [The Drunkard] (1950)
O Sangue [Blood] (1989)
Obrazy starého sveta [Pictures of the Old World] (1972)
Ochazuke no aji [Flavor of Green Tea Over Rice] (1952)
Oi sfaires den gyrizoun piso [Bullets Don't Come Back] (1967)
On the Bowery (1956)
One Way Street (1950)
Onna no mizûmi [Woman of the Lake] (1966)
Onna no naka ni iru tanin [The Stranger Within a Woman] (1966)
Orgullo [Pride] (1955)
Ornette: Made in America (1985)
Ôsaka no yado [An Inn at Osaka] (1954)
Otoshiana [Pitfall] (1962)
Over the Garden Wall (2014)
Pafekuto buru [Perfect Blue] (1997)
Pandora and the Flying Dutchman (1951)
Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills (1996)
Passe ton bac d'abord… [Graduate First] (1978)
Per un pugno di dollari [A Fistful of Dollars] (1964)
Pisma myortvogo cheloveka [Dead Man's Letters] (1986)
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Po zakonu [By the Law] (1926)
Point of Order (1964)
Poto and Cabengo (1980)
Prime Suspect (1991)
Procès de Jeanne d'Arc [The Trial of Joan of Arc] (1962)
Public Housing (1997)
Quai des Orfèvres (1947)
Quick Billy (1971)
Rang-e khoda [The Color of Paradise] (1999)
Raw Deal (1948)
Rembetiko (1983)
Resurrectio (1931)
Roma ore 11 [Rome 11:00] (1952)
Route One USA (1989)
Ruby Gentry (1952)
Ruhr (2009)
Ryakushô renzoku shasatsuma [A.K.A. Serial Killer] (1969)
Ryoma ansatsu [The Assassination of Ryoma] (1974)
Scandal Sheet (1952)
Seance on a Wet Afternoon (1964)
Seisaku no tsuma [Seisaku's Wife] (1965)
Seopyeonje [Sopyonje] (1993)
Sheng gang qi bing [Long Arm of the Law] (1984)
Six et demi onze (1927)
Skagafjördur (2004)
Skammen [Shame] (1968)
Smiley's People (1982)
Sommarlek [Summer Interlude] (1951)
Song of the Sea (2014)
South (1919)
Stalag 17 (1953)
Stars in My Crown (1950)
Stormy Weather (1943)
Street Angel (1928)
Szerelem [Love] (1971)
Take the 5:10 to Dreamland (1976)
Tanin no kao [The Face Of Another] (1966)
Taste of Fear (1961)
Tepenin ardi [Beyond the Hill] (2012)
The Browning Version (1951)
The Burglar (1957)
The Clock (1945)
The Devil Thumbs a Ride (1947)
The Hellstrom Chronicle (1971)
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939)
The Informer (1935)
The Intruder (1962)
The Little Foxes (1941)
The Long Gray Line (1955)
The Man Who Laughs (1928)
The Naked City (1948)
The Pacific (2010)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
The Savage Eye (1960)
The Search (1948)
The Shooting (1966)
The Signalman (1976)
The Small Back Room (1949)
The Tall Men (1955)
The Tall T (1957)
The Terence Davies Trilogy (1983)
The Thin Man (1934)
The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom (2007)
The Whisperers (1967)
They All Laughed (1981)
They Shoot Horses, Don't They? (1969)
This Land Is Mine (1943)
Tiempo de revancha [Time for Revenge] (1981)
Tih Minh (1918)
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (1979)
Toute la mémoire du monde (1956)
Tsigoineruwaizen [Zigeunerweisen] (1980)
Two (1965)
Údolí vcel [The Valley of the Bees] (1968)
Un homme qui dort [The Man Who Sleeps] (1974)
Un uomo a metà [Half a Man] (1966)
Underworld (1927)
Une si jolie petite plage [Such a Pretty Little Beach] (1949)
Une simple histoire [A Simple Story] (1959)
Unsichtbare Gegner [Invisible Adversaries] (1977)
Urga [Close to Eden] (1991)
Utvandrarna [The Emigrants] (1971)
Valerie a týden divu [Valerie and Her Week of Wonders] (1970)
Victim (1961)
Warui yatsu hodo yoku nemuru [The Bad Sleep Well] (1960)
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962)
Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? (1957)
Wise Blood (1979)
Woman on the Run (1950)
Woodstock (1970)
Yaaba (1989)
Yabu no naka no kuroneko [Kuroneko] (1968)
Yek Etefagh sadeh [A Simple Event] (1974)
Yellow Sky (1948)
You Only Live Once (1937)
Zu neuen Ufern [To New Shores] (1937)
Films on TSPDT top 2000 will be considered part of the canon and the rest will be revoted next year.
Ángel, since the TSPDT top 2000 will be ineligible as well, does this mean that the list will shrink again to a Top 1000? Or will it depend on the final average scores like this year?

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La vie nouvelle
Enamorada
Ten Skies
Book chon bang hyang
Lektionen in Finsternis
Cluny Brown
Vámonos con Pancho Villa!
Akran
Orinoko, nuevo mundo
Noite Vazia
Moeder Dao, de schildpadgelijkende
Les voleurs
Shang Hai zhi yen
Baxter, Vera Baxter
Specter of the Rose
Iracema - Uma Transa Amazônica
Autohystoria
Hynningen
Le boucher
Trás-os-Montes
Captain from Castile
La traversée de Paris
Parsifal
Moonrise
Krynytsya dlya sprahlykh
Mémoire des apparences
Shimotsuma monogatari
Sellaisena kuin sinä minut halusit
So Is This
Jäniksen vuosi
L'immortelle
Obreras saliendo de la fábrica
The Great Garrick
Balada o siedmich obesených
Woman They Almost Lynched
Southern Comfort
Finis terrae
LA Plays Itself
Paper Moon
Fantômas - À l'ombre de la guillotine
Juve contre Fantômas
Le mort qui tue
Fantômas contre Fantômas
Le faux magistrat
Yume no ginga
Scum
Vechir na Ivana Kupala
Le roman de Renard
Sonagi
The Smiling Lieutenant
The Draughtsman's Contract
Assalto ao Trem Pagador
Matka Joanna od aniolów
The Old Man and the Sea
80 Blocks from Tiffany's
Die innere Sicherheit
La nuit claire
Muna Moto
Schalcken the Painter
Reminiscences of a Journey to Lithuania
The Great White Silence
Treno popolare
Nugu-ui ttal-do anin Hae-won
Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan: Tsuioku Hen
Bienvenido Mister Marshall
Chaharshanbe-soori
Le fond de l'air est rouge
Le tempestaire
Baran
Furtivos
La chouette aveugle
Ningen jôhatsu
Ride Lonesome
Waterloo Bridge
Touchez pas au grisbi
Majo no takkyûbin
Duelle (une quarantaine)
Le fleuve aux grandes eaux
Ernest et Célestine
Jaime
Kader
¡Que Viva Mexico! - Da zdravstvuyet Meksika!
Shen nu
Unagi
Tôkyô sensô sengo hiwa
Hintertreppe
Le diable au coeur
Rapture
The Three Must-Get-Theres
The Taking of Pelham One Two Three
Buta to gunkan
La joie de vivre
La vie de Jésus
Bellissima
Intimní osvetlení
Akage
Pour la suite du monde
Valahol Európában
Swing Time
He Who Gets Slapped
O Padre e a Moça
Bacheha-Ye aseman
Watership Down
Nostra signora dei turchi
Un lac
Paris nous appartient
Quatre nuits d'un rêveur
Garde à vue
Die Abenteuer des Prinzen Achmed
Mientras duermes
The Lavender Hill Mob
A Married Couple
Salomè
One Way Boogie Woogie
Schwarzfahrer
Vynález zkázy
The Four Feathers
Michael
The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie
Aguaespejo granadino
Conte de printemps
Phase IV
Byôsoku 5 senchimêtoru
The Man in the White Suit
Angst
10 Rillington Place
Cockfighter
Shin Heike monogatari
L'appartement
Iluminacja
Laurence Anyways
Last Chants for a Slow Dance
Il mio viaggio in Italia
Pidä huivista kiinni, Tatjana
Abel
Deprisa, deprisa
Pool of London
Aru kyôhaku
Karami-ai
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Va, vis et deviens
Ahdat sanawovach el-djamr
Shah-re ziba
Autrement, la Molussie
Krakatit
On Approval
The Honey Pot
The Long Good Friday
Reconstituirea
Seul contre tous
Charley Varrick
Man's Castle
Baisers volés
Le clair de terre
Nieuwe gronden
Hindle Wakes
The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds
Bangiku
Przypadek
Party Girl
The Friends of Eddie Coyle
Shirley: Visions of Reality
El castillo de la pureza
Tenkû no shiro Rapyuta
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Misery Loves Company
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ChrisReynolds wrote:
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May 13th, 2020, 3:59 pm


My favorite short of all time falls off the list by 0.08 points. (u)
I gave it a 6 if I remember correctly. I'm surprised it dropped off.
Back in 2012, The Wrong Trousers was #38 on the DtC list. It feels like the makeup of the voters or the way people vote has shifted over the years. At least one of my nominations, Threads made it back on the list.
I gave it a 6 as well. It does seem like there's been a big shift on this one, that's a pretty big drop over just a few years.

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Post by RBG » May 13th, 2020, 6:43 pm

Turumba (1981) 4,82-12
thx for nomination and votes for one of my old favorites :wub:
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Post by RBG » May 13th, 2020, 6:45 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 4:13 pm
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May 13th, 2020, 2:04 pm
thanks angel! look what i found in the wayback machine. should make an icm list if no one else has..

https://mubi.com/lists/the-mubi-forum-u ... st-top-100
Here's the full version of the list (click read more): https://mubi.com/lists/the-mubi-forum-u ... -poll-2012
Interesting list, but I don't fully understand how it was constructed. Something about voting films off, but it was more than one person voting for each film (so different than the game currently happening on the forum with the AFI list). Where can a fuller explanation be found?
PolarisDib's explanation can be found here https://mubi.com/lists/the-mubi-forum-u ... -poll-2012
What follows is twenty movies chosen by Mubi forum board members over just over two months of voting, strategy, and no lack of controversy. Users were asked to submit a top 20 list of their own, at which point the movies were collected and organized by amount submitted with a point valuation; the users were then compelled to vote titles up and down while titles dropped from the bottom. The original list had over 1200 titles; this list reflects what survived the devastation.
damn game took forever and made many people angry lol. i remember dimitris and kenji fighting. some of us are still kinda pissed about the top spot :folded: great film but the way it came about wasn't quite kosher. also at one point a large contingent of filipino voters led by the critic noel vera flooded the forum with votes for a film w/o english subs and there was great controversy over whether it was fair to vote down a film one hadn't watched. the film was https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125537/ -- three godless years, now available w/eng subs, in part thx to this game

the formula, if i remember was 2 upvotes, 1 down? i might be wrong
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Post by AdamH » May 13th, 2020, 6:51 pm

Is that the same Dimitris who used to post on here? (the fighting part makes me think yes :P )

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Post by Angel Glez » May 13th, 2020, 6:52 pm

jdidaco wrote:
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Cavalcanti's 'En rade' the only film I gave a 6 this year, its modernity and willingness to experiment with the medium putting into shame most contemporary (or any) cinema I’ve seen recently (particularly in the juxtaposition of physical spaces/landscapes of the mind-body).
I vastly prefer his Brazilian autoremake. :P

Regarding the other issue, I'm sure you remember that I made a similar mistake years ago, still under Lee's running, nominating a certain Spanish film that I thought was not good enough to be there. I was just missing the point of the exercise, but I learned my lesson. We are products of our experiences after all.

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Post by RBG » May 13th, 2020, 6:52 pm

Is that the same Dimitris who used to post on here? (the fighting part makes me think yes :P )
ABSOLUTELY. he was banned a number of times and reduced to posting long rants of obscenities on his own wall space lol. good times

one of the longer threads on the old forum was entitled FREE DIMITRIS. hope you're well, dim, wherever you are :hug:
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Post by AdamH » May 13th, 2020, 6:55 pm

RBG wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 6:52 pm
ABSOLUTELY. he was banned a number of times and reduced to posting long rants of obscenities on his own wall space lol. good times
He barely posts now but he did seem to have mellowed later on from what I can remember.

Pretty sure I saw that free Dimitris thread at some point actually!

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Post by RBG » May 13th, 2020, 6:57 pm

i knew dimitris on flixster, like 2008-9? always passionate and a great advocate for films he loved
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Post by mjf314 » May 13th, 2020, 6:59 pm

@RBG: Do you have any more details? How often were you allowed to vote titles up and down, and how often did titles drop from the bottom? And I assume each vote moved a film up or down by 1 spot?

How did Sansho the Bailiff end up on top? And why didn't Three Godless Years make the list, if no one was able to downvote it?

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Post by RBG » May 13th, 2020, 7:04 pm

sansho the bailiff ended on top because people deferred to kenji imo. sort of lost the plot there at the end since the entire point (to me) was to kill our idols (canon fodder)

we voted once per day if i remember. the calculations were rather complicated and i didn't totally understand the math so i won't pretend i did. maybe someone else can enlighten you as to that

there was a revolt against three godless years and in the end enough people watched it without subs or just voted it down w/o watching (dim was VERY opposed to this method lol)

i was a tireless advocate of the cameraman and very pleased it came second. some were determined no AMERICAN film should come first. mubi was like that. lol
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Post by joachimt » May 13th, 2020, 7:06 pm

RBG wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 6:52 pm
Is that the same Dimitris who used to post on here? (the fighting part makes me think yes :P )
ABSOLUTELY. he was banned a number of times and reduced to posting long rants of obscenities on his own wall space lol. good times

one of the longer threads on the old forum was entitled FREE DIMITRIS. hope you're well, dim, wherever you are :hug:
We're talking about Dim-PS, right? He's still active on iCM. I talked to him just last week.
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Post by RBG » May 13th, 2020, 7:09 pm

wow :unsure: i better go lol :ph43r: love you dim!!
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 13th, 2020, 7:10 pm

Yeah, he checked a movie 4 hours ago.

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