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iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 9:19 am
by Tim2460
iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series

:Crtiticker: Nominations topic :Crtiticker:


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For the first time, we'll try to chose our favorite mini-series.

But ... What is an Mini-Series in the first place ?
It's quite difficult to tell, as every Country seems to have its own deffinition ;)
You can check Wiki Miniseries if you want to see for yourself.

After some researsh and debate, the icm crew&staff came with this definition rule fror the current pool (close to the Emmy-Award Deffinition) :

"Mini-series must be 16 episodes or less, not multiple seasons, and not planned to be longer but canceled. The series should be intended as a single unified work and not episodic."

Let's hope this will do ... Argue if your ALL TIME FAVORITE MinieSeries is excluded by this rule.
We'll see from the Nominations lists how long we can make the Final Result List.

Another basic set of Rules :
- The deadline for submitting your list is going to be set @ 29 February 2019
- :imdb: IMDb-lists or :ICM: iCM-lists are accepted. (If you can't make one of those, ask another user to help you out.)
- Lists can be any length.
- Each nominee can only be named once (of course)
- Your list may be ranked, unranked, or partially-ranked. In a partially-ranked list, the top X films are ranked and everything after that point is unranked. When not specified I will consider a list as ranked.

Some help :

Created this list of IMDb Mini-Series Tagged what are official Checks here @ iCM :
:ICM: Mini Series Tagged that are Official Checks
--> I'm not sure every entry here qualify for the surrent pool... let me know and i'll delete them... it's suposed to be an help... not an guideline.
And the Official Mini series IMDb Top 50 .... With the same warning ;)
:ICM: Top 50

Please check if your list is stated, ordered and linked correctly. And is set to public. For iCM lists you can also set it to "Friends" and befriend me.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 9:40 am
by rnilsson19

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 10:29 am
by Perception de Ambiguity

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 11:01 am
by Tim2460
Good to Hear From You PdA ;)

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 11:24 am
by albajos
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096590288/
but I'll rewatch Roots now in february

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 1:10 pm
by jvv

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 1:19 pm
by Onderhond
I can churn out a top 10, though it will be anime series only. Excluding the 13-episode anime series of course, they have nothing to do with "mini-series", they're just regular, 1-season TV shows.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 1:54 pm
by Carmel1379

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 2:21 pm
by joachimt
So Riget isn't allowed? Parts 1 and 2 used to have separate IMDb-pages as if they were two separate series. I see they are currently listed as seasons.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 2:30 pm
by joachimt
The Heimat series are separate series on IMDb, so I guess they are allowed.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 2:42 pm
by OldAle1
I don't have the answers myself but let me put it out there that whatever is decided on these particular series, I think we ought to make a rule that they are only allowed in one of the two TV polls. Either we decide that series xxy is a "miniseries" or we decide that it's a "series', but please not both.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 2:56 pm
by joachimt
The latest season of Twin Peaks shouldn't be allowed, just because it's a separate entry on IMDb. It's clearly a new season to an existing series.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 2:56 pm
by mjf314
OldAle1 wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 2:42 pm
I don't have the answers myself but let me put it out there that whatever is decided on these particular series, I think we ought to make a rule that they are only allowed in one of the two TV polls. Either we decide that series xxy is a "miniseries" or we decide that it's a "series', but please not both.
I don't agree. I think mini-series should be eligible for both polls.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 2:58 pm
by Tim2460
Riget ....

From wikipedia :
The first quartet of episodes ended with numerous questions unanswered, and in 1997, the cast reassembled to produce another group of four episodes.

94' Riget Season1 works enought alone IMHO and should be allowed... Season 2 is then out of the pool focus. But then the IMDB link is "both seasons" as Joachim said...
That would make voting for "just" Season 1 impossible.

I would say include it in your list and we'll decide after ... there will be a lot of theses kind of discution i guess before the pool ends :facepalm:

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 3:02 pm
by mjf314
joachimt wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 2:56 pm
The latest season of Twin Peaks shouldn't be allowed, just because it's a separate entry on IMDb. It's clearly a new season to an existing series.
I haven't seen it, but judging by the Wikipedia article, it seems to be a continuation of the story, and therefore shouldn't be allowed. "Set 25 years after the events of the original Twin Peaks, the season follows multiple storylines, many of which are linked to FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper (MacLachlan) and his original 1989 investigation into the murder of Twin Peaks homecoming queen Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee)."

It's also 18 episodes, which is above the limit.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 3:03 pm
by Tim2460
joachimt wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 2:56 pm
The latest season of Twin Peaks shouldn't be allowed, just because it's a separate entry on IMDb. It's clearly a new season to an existing series.
I kinda agree... even if i'm a fan of the first series ,)

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 3:22 pm
by Lonewolf2003
OldAle1 wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 2:42 pm
I don't have the answers myself but let me put it out there that whatever is decided on these particular series, I think we ought to make a rule that they are only allowed in one of the two TV polls. Either we decide that series xxy is a "miniseries" or we decide that it's a "series', but please not both.
I agree.

And yes, Twin Peaks S3 shouldn't be allowed.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 3:24 pm
by Gordon_Gekko
Hey,

what's with "O.J.: Made in America (2016)"? Imdb say it's an nearly eight hour long movie... but I saw it on Arte as an TV-Miniseries in five parts.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 3:53 pm
by joachimt

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 4:07 pm
by Lonewolf2003
Gordon_Gekko wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 3:24 pm
Hey,

what's with "O.J.: Made in America (2016)"? Imdb say it's an nearly eight hour long movie... but I saw it on Arte as an TV-Miniseries in five parts.
I saw it as a mini-series also, I included it.

Some ones I'm not sure about to include:
- All Blackadder entries: They are separate entries on IMDb and could be seen as 4 different mini-series, but also as one tv-series.
- Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey: could be seen as separate mini-series, but also as continuation of the 1980s series. They are separate entries on IMDb
- The Young Pope: Which was originally intended as limited series, so fits the definition of a mini-series for this. But now there is a second season made. They are separate entries on IMDb.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 4:13 pm
by Tim2460
Cosmos/Sagan is the highlight of my yougth and it made me an scientific mind / interest.

To me the latest one is like an Copy/season 2 and shoudn't be allowed

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 4:14 pm
by Tim2460
OJ seems ok to me : i also saw it as an Mini Series.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 5:31 pm
by GruesomeTwosome
Gordon_Gekko wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 3:24 pm
Hey,

what's with "O.J.: Made in America (2016)"? Imdb say it's an nearly eight hour long movie... but I saw it on Arte as an TV-Miniseries in five parts.
Yep, I also saw it as a five-part mini-series (via ESPN). Definitely will include it in my list, one of my favorite recent docs.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 6:33 pm
by joachimt
Black Adder is too episodic. Every season is a separate story, so I don't consider them as multiple seasons. But the unified work rule doesn't apply here.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 6:55 pm
by Onderhond
joachimt wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 6:33 pm
Black Adder is too episodic. Every season is a separate story, so I don't consider them as multiple seasons. But the unified work rule doesn't apply here.
What about the Dekalog then?

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 7:12 pm
by joachimt
Onderhond wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 6:55 pm
joachimt wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 6:33 pm
Black Adder is too episodic. Every season is a separate story, so I don't consider them as multiple seasons. But the unified work rule doesn't apply here.
What about the Dekalog then?
Good point. :unsure:

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 7:21 pm
by jvv
What about (the first season of) True Detective? Mini-series or not? (for now I left it off my list)

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 8:02 pm
by mjf314
I would consider Dekalog a mini-series. All of the episodes have similar themes, and I think you need to watch the whole thing to fully appreciate it.

I'm not sure about True Detective and Black Adder.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 8:09 pm
by Teproc
True Detective is as much a mini-series as any season of The Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

Meaning it's not.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 8:23 pm
by albajos
The first season was, and was nominated as such. But they had to expand it to an anthology series

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 8:51 pm
by brokenface
Teproc wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 8:09 pm
True Detective is as much a mini-series as any season of The Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

Meaning it's not.
True Detective, the multi-season anthology series, is not a miniseries but True Detective Season 1
could be seen by itself as a miniseries (as could the other seasons, to a lesser extent)

There'll probably be examples of recent things that will get voted in the list as miniseries now without raising any questions but at some later date gain a thematic follow up series - e.g. imagine the makers of Chernobyl go and make a Fukushima series in a couple of years off the back of its success - would that make Chernobyl no longer a miniseries?

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 9:29 pm
by Ivan0716

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 10:25 pm
by Teproc
brokenface wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 8:51 pm
Teproc wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 8:09 pm
True Detective is as much a mini-series as any season of The Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

Meaning it's not.
True Detective, the multi-season anthology series, is not a miniseries but True Detective Season 1
could be seen by itself as a miniseries (as could the other seasons, to a lesser extent)

There'll probably be examples of recent things that will get voted in the list as miniseries now without raising any questions but at some later date gain a thematic follow up series - e.g. imagine the makers of Chernobyl go and make a Fukushima series in a couple of years off the back of its success - would that make Chernobyl no longer a miniseries?
Again, how is a season of True Detective different from a season of The Twilight Zone, or a season of Black Mirror ? Unless you want to argue those should count as well ?

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 10:57 pm
by mjf314
I haven't seen True Detective, but if I'm not mistaken, season 1 is a single story with recurring characters. The Twilight Zone is completely episodic (each episode is a different story, with no recurring characters).

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 11:04 pm
by Lonewolf2003
The question is if True Detective was always intended to be a multiple season anthology series or became that after the succes of season 1 and was originally made as one season mini-series..... And after doing a little research it seems to be the first, it was always intended as a multiple season anthology series... so ineligible.

'm leaving Black Adder of my list for now, also cause it's been ages since I last saw it.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 11:33 pm
by brokenface
Teproc wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 10:25 pm
brokenface wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 8:51 pm
Teproc wrote:
February 4th, 2020, 8:09 pm
True Detective is as much a mini-series as any season of The Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

Meaning it's not.
True Detective, the multi-season anthology series, is not a miniseries but True Detective Season 1
could be seen by itself as a miniseries (as could the other seasons, to a lesser extent)

There'll probably be examples of recent things that will get voted in the list as miniseries now without raising any questions but at some later date gain a thematic follow up series - e.g. imagine the makers of Chernobyl go and make a Fukushima series in a couple of years off the back of its success - would that make Chernobyl no longer a miniseries?
Again, how is a season of True Detective different from a season of The Twilight Zone, or a season of Black Mirror ? Unless you want to argue those should count as well ?
What mjf said. In True Detective (and American Crime Story, Fargo, etc) the season is the unit so it functions like a series of loosely related miniseries where each season is a contained story across multiple episodes; in Twilight Zone, Black Mirror etc, the episode is the unit so it functions like a series of loosely related short/mid-length films.

It's probably easier to exclude them (likes of True Detective not Twilight Zone) but there's a reasonable case to include. Look at the Emmy nominees for limited series over the last 10 years to see the difficulty they have distinguishing.

--

Blackadder I personally wouldn't include. I'd call it a episodic sitcom that ran for multiple seasons. It just has a novel structure of putting the characters in a new historical setting each series (season). Naming the series differently (e.g. Blackadder the Third) was just part of the historical schtick

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 4th, 2020, 11:39 pm
by Teproc
Right. That does makes a difference, but I still think that they (True Detective, Fargo etc.) are anthology series, not mini-series.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 5th, 2020, 1:11 am
by mjf314
Here are some Asian drama recommendations that I think members of this forum would probably like:

Unnatural (2018, Japan, 10 episodes) - crime/thriller/medical (trailer)
One of the best modern thrillers. It's like a cross between a medical drama and a detective drama. They solve cases to determine the cause of death.

Signal (2016, Korea, 16 episodes) - crime/thriller/detective (trailer)
It's about police detectives who solve cases. There's also a supernatural element. Fans of Memories of Murder will probably like it.

Jin (2009, Japan) - time travel/medical (trailer)
A doctor goes back in time to the edo period.

If you like anime comedy, then I also recommend these (I can't find the trailers, but if you've seen the anime series, then you know what to expect):

GTO (1998, Japan, 12 episodes) - school/comedy

Nodame Cantabile (2006, Japan, 11 episodes) - school/comedy/music

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 5th, 2020, 1:36 am
by 3eyes
Obviously this isn't limited to TV or it would exclude Feuillade & such.
So what about movies issued in parts - e.g. Bondarchuk's Voina i mir? or Ningen no jôken I-III?

I'm having fun compiling a list of stuff I liked that hasn't been mentioned yet.

Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

Posted: February 5th, 2020, 2:26 am
by mjf314
3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 1:36 am
Obviously this isn't limited to TV or it would exclude Feuillade & such.
So what about movies issued in parts - e.g. Bondarchuk's Voina i mir? or Ningen no jôken I-III?

I'm having fun compiling a list of stuff I liked that hasn't been mentioned yet.
If they're film series, then they shouldn't be allowed.

Did someone vote for Feuillade's films? I don't think they should be allowed either.