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Re: iCM Forum's Favourite Mini-series; Nominations (Limit 29 February 2019)

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Post by 3eyes » February 5th, 2020, 2:49 am

mjf314 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:26 am
3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 1:36 am
Obviously this isn't limited to TV or it would exclude Feuillade & such.
So what about movies issued in parts - e.g. Bondarchuk's Voina i mir? or Ningen no jôken I-III?

I'm having fun compiling a list of stuff I liked that hasn't been mentioned yet.
If they're film series, then they shouldn't be allowed.

Did someone vote for Feuillade's films? I don't think they should be allowed either.
I would argue that movie serials were the pre-TV equivalent, as long as they have the same 16-part limitations.

As Bondarchuk and Ningen no joku, I'm genuinely perplexed.
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Post by Opio » February 5th, 2020, 4:56 am

mjf314 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:26 am
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Did someone vote for Feuillade's films? I don't think they should be allowed either.
3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:49 am
I would argue that movie serials were the pre-TV equivalent, as long as they have the same 16-part limitations.
I saw Les vampires and Tih Minh on joachim's list. I haven't seen the latter but will include the former if it's allowed.

Also, how about The Prisoner? IMDB lists it as miniseries and has the last episode as #16...since they have the first one as episode 0, so maybe it can count? :D

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Post by joachimt » February 5th, 2020, 6:16 am

Opio wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 4:56 am
mjf314 wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:26 am
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Did someone vote for Feuillade's films? I don't think they should be allowed either.
3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 2:49 am
I would argue that movie serials were the pre-TV equivalent, as long as they have the same 16-part limitations.
I saw Les vampires and Tih Minh on joachim's list. I haven't seen the latter but will include the former if it's allowed.
I was in doubt though.
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Post by zzzorf » February 5th, 2020, 10:13 am

I took the following from the iMDB Top 50 Mini-Series link in the OP.

"The term "miniseries" is used to refer to a single finite story told in separately broadcast episodes. Before the term was coined, such a form was always called a "serial", in the same way that a novel appearing in episodes in successive editions of magazines or newspapers is called a serial."

By that definition could we add Movie Serials into our lists? (granted I have only seen superhero serials but I have a few I would love to add in)

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Post by Onderhond » February 5th, 2020, 12:31 pm

The question is, why would you want to?

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Post by mjf314 » February 5th, 2020, 1:17 pm

Opio wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 4:56 am
Also, how about The Prisoner? IMDB lists it as miniseries and has the last episode as #16...since they have the first one as episode 0, so maybe it can count? :D
It's one of my favorites, but unless the cutoff is changed, I'm not planning to vote for it. Maybe we can try to promote it so it makes the top 100 in the TV poll.

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Post by 3eyes » February 5th, 2020, 1:57 pm

zzzorf wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 10:13 am
I took the following from the iMDB Top 50 Mini-Series link in the OP.

"The term "miniseries" is used to refer to a single finite story told in separately broadcast episodes. Before the term was coined, such a form was always called a "serial", in the same way that a novel appearing in episodes in successive editions of magazines or newspapers is called a serial."

By that definition could we add Movie Serials into our lists? (granted I have only seen superhero serials but I have a few I would love to add in)
I'm not sure I know what you're talking about, zzorf.

I'm talking about short episodes shown in addition to the main feature (along with newsreel, cartoon, etc) before TV took over. I did see one episode in the 40s, but they were only part of the bill in a theater I wasn't generally allowed to go to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_film
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Post by blocho » February 5th, 2020, 4:14 pm

I'm seeing a lot of Twin Peaks: The Return on lists. Even if you consider the third season separate from the earlier series (and I don't think it should be), it is longer than the 16 episode limit for this poll. Or am I missing something here?

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Post by mjf314 » February 5th, 2020, 4:26 pm

blocho wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 4:14 pm
I'm seeing a lot of Twin Peaks: The Return on lists. Even if you consider the third season separate from the earlier series (and I don't think it should be), it is longer than the 16 episode limit for this poll. Or am I missing something here?
We talked about it earlier in the thread. I agree that it shouldn't be eligible.

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Post by 3eyes » February 5th, 2020, 7:47 pm

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Post by joachimt » February 5th, 2020, 8:16 pm

3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 7:47 pm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096337486/
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Aren't these just long movies?
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Post by zzzorf » February 5th, 2020, 8:33 pm

3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 1:57 pm
zzzorf wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 10:13 am
I took the following from the iMDB Top 50 Mini-Series link in the OP.

"The term "miniseries" is used to refer to a single finite story told in separately broadcast episodes. Before the term was coined, such a form was always called a "serial", in the same way that a novel appearing in episodes in successive editions of magazines or newspapers is called a serial."

By that definition could we add Movie Serials into our lists? (granted I have only seen superhero serials but I have a few I would love to add in)
I'm not sure I know what you're talking about, zzorf.

I'm talking about short episodes shown in addition to the main feature (along with newsreel, cartoon, etc) before TV took over. I did see one episode in the 40s, but they were only part of the bill in a theater I wasn't generally allowed to go to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_film
Yes that is exactly what I am asking. I watched a few of them (Batman, Superman, Captain Marvel and Green Lantern) with my son last year. According to my quote they fit the iMDB term for Mind-series, was just wondering if they fit ours

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Post by Caracortada » February 5th, 2020, 9:56 pm

Mini-Series with Maxi-Quality

Six years ago I started this list of this often overlooked genre. It's now a top 69. I used to watch a lot of these, often novel adaptations on the BBC. A novel is often too long for a film adaptation, so they have to choose between cutting it down or doing it in episodes. Some of these are excellent but not very well known among a film audience.

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Post by burneyfan » February 5th, 2020, 11:18 pm

Hooray for mini-series! Ranked. Let me know if something is disqualified. I'll add forgotten favorites if I think of them.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096321648/

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Post by 3eyes » February 6th, 2020, 2:17 am

joachimt wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 8:16 pm
3eyes wrote:
February 5th, 2020, 7:47 pm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096337486/
ranked
Aren't these just long movies?
Le chagrin et la pitié
La commune (Paris, 1871)
Hitler, ein Film aus Deutschland
Obviously I just don't get it. Since I have never watched things on TV (as opposed to streaming) I don't know which is which. Disqualify to your heart's content, all.
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Post by zzzorf » February 6th, 2020, 2:32 am

I have started my ranked list https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/my+t ... es/zzzorf/

I figured even if I never finish my list before the deadline my two favourite movies of all-time will get the appropriate points from me in a poll dedicated to their style.

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Post by Tim2460 » February 6th, 2020, 7:43 am

Keep some lists Comming and i'll take a first look at what is on the table and if we need to adjust/debate something


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Post by zzzorf » February 6th, 2020, 10:07 am

While I'm waiting on the decision of the serials I will ask another question, how about mini-series that turned into full series? (The 4400 was initially designed as a Mini-Series but because of the reaction it became a series, no matter the fact I have watched every episode the first season still feels a mini-series to me)


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Post by mightysparks » February 6th, 2020, 10:51 am

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096343754/

Ranked. I just went with whatever is labelled mini-series on IMDb.
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » February 6th, 2020, 5:03 pm

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Post by Gordon_Gekko » February 7th, 2020, 10:54 am

First Pitch (ranked)
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096600736/

Hope to watch at least one of the mini-series below till the limit is reached:

- Stephen King’s Storm of the Century
- Pacific, The
- Heimat - Eine deutsche Chronik
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » February 7th, 2020, 1:24 pm

What about Planet Earth and all those Attenborough nature documentary series; are they eligible or too episodic?

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Post by Tim2460 » February 7th, 2020, 3:14 pm

I would say Ok for Planet earth 1 & 2 ... And the others as well ..

Or maybe not 2 then ;( as it's a follow up to 1

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Post by Tim2460 » February 7th, 2020, 3:38 pm

Ok first 18 Participant list gathered to make a pre-check.

First post Updated : i'll try to answer all the questions this week end.
Not sure i'll be ultra strict ... If you REALLY want to vote for true detective season 2 (for myself i didn't like the 2nd season ,) who am i to wonder of it was always intended to be multi season or not ...

I guess every producer would say he want to make multiple season ...

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Post by Tim2460 » February 7th, 2020, 4:01 pm

Here's the list so far :

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096606863/

and the excel file to play with

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Post by 3eyes » February 7th, 2020, 5:22 pm

I hope the full list gets posted to ICM eventually. Shaping up to be a great resource! and a present resource for those who want to add to their lists --

If we want to add things should we post a revised list or what?
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Post by blocho » February 7th, 2020, 5:59 pm

Tim2460 wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 3:38 pm
Ok first 18 Participant list gathered to make a pre-check.
My list should be unranked

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Post by Armoreska » February 7th, 2020, 7:15 pm

Is the list of IMDb links acceptable?
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Post by Tim2460 » February 7th, 2020, 8:23 pm

3eyes : the list will definitively be posted no worry ;)
Blocho : I'll correct it
Armo : should be... But there are obvious error as for example oj not include because tagged as movie.

We'll take a further look ar the full list this weekend but I already saw stuff I can't accept : season 2s, miss Marple 2 episodes (??), Evangelion being 26 episodes.

It hurts not being able to incluse the prisoner... But if I remember well it was supposed to have more episodes right?

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Post by psychotronicbeatnik » February 7th, 2020, 10:26 pm

Top 9 Ranked, rest unranked.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096651332/

A few notes about the two titles on my list that IMDb does not have listed as a mini-series:

Salem's Lot (1979) is listed as a TV Series on IMDb but it was clearly intended to be a mini-series and is referred to as such elsewhere.

The Forsyte Saga (1967) - In the UK they tend to call this format a serial, but for some reason this one is called a TV Series here. There are 26 episodes adapted from a quartet of novels and it was not intended to be continued. If it doesn't meet the final criteria I will delete it from my ballot.

I've got three mini-series queued up for this month so I may be making a few adjustments to this list before the deadline.

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Post by Fergenaprido » February 8th, 2020, 8:05 am

psychotronicbeatnik wrote:
February 7th, 2020, 10:26 pm
Salem's Lot (1979) is listed as a TV Series on IMDb but it was clearly intended to be a mini-series and is referred to as such elsewhere.
That's bounced around a lot on imdb. In the past it was listed as both a tv movie and a mini-series, and I had to keep moving it in my spreadsheet until i just gave up and left it wherever it was. Definitely not a tv series, though.

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Post by brokenface » February 9th, 2020, 12:49 pm

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096627623/

Considered but Excluded:
All the David Attenborough/BBC nature docs - as much for practicality as anything. I've seen a lot of them and a lot of them are very good, but they could almost be seen as a continuous series where they put out a new one most years with a different focus, but following the same format. Some are direct sequels (Blue Planet II), others more indirect. Also they do blur in my memory so it'd be hard to rank apart.

The Young Pope/The New Pope - it's basically now a continuing series with two seasons.

The Kingdom - effectively multiseason & they would probably have made more if possible.

Twin Peaks: The Return - I can't really consider it as a standalone. It's season 3.


ones I was borderline but did include:
Heimat II - it's a follow on, but it would also standalone, you don't need to have seen Heimat. And I love it very much so wanted it in :)

Watchmen - it may get followed up, but even if it does, this is likely to be a separate thing (different characters in same universe)

The Night Manager - there's talk of a season 2 but it hasn't happened yet & the first is an adaptation of a book that functions as miniseries.

Nathan Barley - it's a sitcom and I daresay it might have had further seasons if it'd been a big hit, but there is a thread of plot through it and there is just the one season so put it in.

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May extend list yet, might be a few things I've forgotten/overlooked.

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Post by Tim2460 » February 9th, 2020, 5:39 pm

Les vampires ... oh Well
10 episodes for total run of 7h20.

Got to say nothing from the main rules actually says it's supposed to be TV ;)
I see 2 solutions :
1) We change the rules to allow "only TV stuff" and Feuillades leaves the pool
2) We accept movies serial under or equal 16 episodes and he stays on the game ,)

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Post by Tim2460 » February 9th, 2020, 5:55 pm

Miss marple ...

There are multiple different series, several "seasons" on the second series...

Just like Poirot, some episodes are too long to fit one tv episodes and were released on 2 episodes...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087749/
is a part of that series
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Marple_(TV_series)
Witch is splitt over several years... but There's no real "seasons" for wiki or IMDB
IMDB says some of the "episodes" are mini series or 2 or 3 parts...
I don't really agree ... To me the whole "Joan Hickson" Marple is a serie, not a pack of miniseries

Then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Ch ... 27s_Marple
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1734537/episodes?season=1
This l8er one got seasons and even the first one can't really be seen as a mini serie

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Post by Tim2460 » February 9th, 2020, 6:00 pm

All the japaneses series / OVA's...

Even if i used to watch anime a lot.. i don't really know everyone !

FLCL for me is a clear Mini Series...one 6 episodes... sounds good

Evangelion isn't .. it's 26 episodes.

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Post by Tim2460 » February 9th, 2020, 6:02 pm

Anne of Green Gables: The Sequel
Sounds like an Season2 isn't it ?

then
Anne of Green Gables: The Continuing Story
Like a Season 3 or something...

Ok for the 85 1st season... not really for the next 2

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