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World Cup, Season 4, Match 1C: Albania vs Cuba vs Iceland vs Russia (Feb 12th)

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Post by joachimt » January 15th, 2020, 8:20 pm

This is match 1C of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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AlbaniaKompozimComposition1992RogerTheMovieManiac88linklink
CubaMadagascar1995sacmersaultlinklink
IcelandEnglar alheimsinsAngels of the Universe2000Asberglinklink
RussiaDni zatmeniyaDays of Eclipse1988Gorrolinklink

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Madagascar
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- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
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The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by highest average ranking (= lowest number).
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by maxwelldeux » January 15th, 2020, 11:36 pm

Having a film called "Madagascar" is not going to be confusing at all... :lol:

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#3

Post by zuma » January 16th, 2020, 2:47 am

01 - Dni zatmeniya

02 - Kompozim

03 - Madagascar

04 - Englar alheimsins

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Post by 72aicm » January 16th, 2020, 6:04 am

1. Englar alheimsins
2. Madagascar
3. Dni zatmeniya
4. Kompozim

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#5

Post by Angel Glez » January 16th, 2020, 10:10 am

1.Kompozim
2.Madagascar
3.Englar alheimsins
4.Dni zatmeniya

Weak round for me.

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#6

Post by Mario Gaborović » January 16th, 2020, 11:34 am

1.Kompozim
2.Dni zatmeniya
3.Englar alheimsins
4.Madagascar

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Post by Muellwind » January 17th, 2020, 7:48 pm

1.Kompozim
2.Madagascar
3.Englar alheimsins
4.Dni zatmeniya

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#8

Post by Armoreska » January 17th, 2020, 8:00 pm

I expect to extend my streak of voting down major players to 5. As there's only Russia in this round.
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#9

Post by Cocoa » January 17th, 2020, 11:51 pm

Another weak match for me :(

1. Dni zatmeniya 6/10
2. Kompozim 6/10
3. Madagascar 5/10
4. Englar alheimsins 2/10

I rarely give out 2s :( The two worst ratings I've given so far in this season of the world cup are films based on books. Englar alheimsins glorifies Nazis and misogyny. Was this supposed to be a satire comedy or a drama, rhetorical question as it doesn't matter because either way it fails. The characters are bland and so are the visuals. The film is simply boring. A guy being angry and having a knife having an outburst doesn't suddenly make a scene exciting. Whoever was in charge of the music did a terrible job. Sometimes I felt like maybe the music was supposed to be used as a way to convey the person losing his mind, but then there are normal scenes with music that is unrelated to that reason and the music feel out of place in those scenes, so that totally destroys that theory of using music to convey losing one's sanity.

I don't have strong opinions on the other films. The mother in Madagascar annoyed me. I wasn't a fan of the religious tone of Kompozim, while Dni zatmeniya was okay but uneven with interesting scenes and not-so-interesting scenes.

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#10

Post by joachimt » January 18th, 2020, 7:54 am

After six votes it seems like the Albanian 7 minute short has taken a clear lead, while the other three are battling for second place.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 18th, 2020, 10:12 am

1. Image Kompozim 13-5
2. Image Dni zatmeniya 9-9
3. Image Madagascar 8-10
4. Image Englar alheimsins 6-12

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#12

Post by Armoreska » January 18th, 2020, 12:20 pm

funny how 2 of these movies deal with grown up children living with parents and their relationship

Madagascar [1995] 7
Englar alheimsins 5+
Kompozim 5
Dni 4

all movies got ranked #1 by one of the non managers by now
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Post by joachimt » January 18th, 2020, 8:55 pm

Armoreska wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 12:20 pm
funny how 2 of these movies deal with grown up children living with parents and their relationship
I've watched the first 20 minutes so far of Englar and I'm confused. Is he living with his parents? How old is he supposed to be? He looks like in his thirties to me. The woman he was with doesn't look like a teenager as well, but she's treated like that by her mother. Are they supposed to be younger than I think they are? So some losers in movies live with their parents at such an age, but then who are the two young children? Are these his younger brother and sister? The age difference looks so big to me, that they could be his children.
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Post by beavis » January 19th, 2020, 7:58 am

01 - Dni zatmeniya - 8,5
02 - Madagascar - 7,5
03 - Englar alheimsins - 5
04 - Kompozim - 4

This round was all over the place for me... but Madagascar was a very cool discovery!

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Post by jvv » January 19th, 2020, 2:00 pm

1. Englar alheimsins
2. Dni zatmeniya
3. Kompozim
4. Madagascar

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Post by Smoover » January 19th, 2020, 3:21 pm

None of these movies were special to me. Sigur Ros was the best thing in all of these movies ;)
1. Englar alheimsins 6.0
2. Dni zatmeniya 6.0
3. Madagascar 6.0
4. Kompozim 5.5

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Post by joachimt » January 19th, 2020, 6:14 pm

Impossible to predict how this is going to end!

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Post by joachimt » January 19th, 2020, 8:31 pm

1. Englar alheimsins - This was the movie I connected the most with from this bunch, although the whole story was a bit forced. 6/10
2. Madagascar - Interesting, but it won't stick with me. 6/10
3. Dni zatmeniya - I like Sokurov most of the time, but this is far from my favorite of his. 5/10
4. Kompozim - Didn't do much to me...... and then it was already over. It's a bold choice to pick such a short movie, but with such a runtime it has to grab you by the balls right away. Otherwise it's a lost cause. 5/10
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Post by joachimt » January 19th, 2020, 8:33 pm

joachimt wrote:
January 19th, 2020, 6:14 pm
Impossible to predict how this is going to end!

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Post by joachimt » January 19th, 2020, 8:34 pm

In points:

Image Englar alheimsins: 2.364 (18-15)
Image Dni zatmeniya: 2.455 (17-16)
Image Madagascar: 2.545 (16-17)
Image Kompozim: 2.636 (15-18)
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Post by filmbantha » January 19th, 2020, 10:51 pm

1. Kompozim 7/10 - I don't really watch many shorts and I never rate them. However, this was an easy number 1 in comparison to the other films in the round.

2. Madagascar 5/10 - Nothing particularly impressive here but I found it more engaging than the other features with a handful of beautiful shots.

3. Englar alheimsins 4/10 - The storyline was intriguing but tonally the film felt all over the place. There were some interesting ideas, it was just a shame that most of them fell flat.

4. Dni zatmeniya 3/10 - I had high hopes for my first Sokurov film and this was a big disappointment. I struggled to find any redeeming factors in the dull and lifeless world that was presented here. I gave it my best shot and persevered to the end hoping it may get better but this was not for me sadly.

It appears that I have ranked the films in order of runtime...

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Post by Armoreska » January 20th, 2020, 8:20 am

This is simultaneously the worst and the most exciting round ever.
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Post by Traveller » January 20th, 2020, 5:44 pm

Kompozim I didn't really like; Dni zatmeniya was the weakest Sokurov I've seen so far; Madagascar was okay'ish; Englar alheimsins' average middle part was saved by the first and last twenty minutes (or so) and its soundtrack.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 20th, 2020, 6:22 pm

Armoreska wrote:
January 20th, 2020, 8:20 am
This is simultaneously the worst and the most exciting round ever.
Agree. Can't remember the lamer batch of films in all seasons. But they are also the shortest in total duration I believe. :lol:

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Post by weirdboy » January 22nd, 2020, 7:41 am

1. Dni zatmeniya
2. Madagascar
3. Kompozim
4. Englar alheimsins

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Post by zhangalan » January 23rd, 2020, 4:31 pm

1.Madagascar
2.Kompozim
3.Dni zatmeniya
4.Englar alheimsins

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Post by Nathan Treadway » January 26th, 2020, 10:39 pm

1. Dni zatmeniya
2. Kompozim
3. Madagascar
4. Englar alheimsins

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Post by Mate_cosido » January 27th, 2020, 2:44 am

1. Madagascar
2. Kompozim
3. Dni zatmeniya
4. Englar alheimsins

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Post by hurluberlu » January 27th, 2020, 8:01 pm

1. Dni zatmeniya 6+
2. Madagascar 6+
3. Englar alheimsins 6
4. Kompozim 5
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Post by hurluberlu » January 27th, 2020, 8:10 pm

Cocoa wrote:
January 17th, 2020, 11:51 pm

I rarely give out 2s :( The two worst ratings I've given so far in this season of the world cup are films based on books. Englar alheimsins glorifies Nazis and misogyny.
How ? because it has a sub-character in a lunatic asylum that takes himself for Hitler ? And misogyny !?
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Post by joachimt » January 27th, 2020, 8:45 pm

Is this when Cuba and Russia will take the lead for the rest of the match?

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Post by Armoreska » January 27th, 2020, 9:07 pm

I think Albania might still have something to say about it judging from the early performance.

Fun thing from that graph - all movies have been clear #1 and all have been clear #4. And not only during the whole match, but after 9 votes as well.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 27th, 2020, 9:26 pm

Armoreska wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 9:07 pm
I think Albania might still have something to say about it judging from the early performance.

Fun thing from that graph - all movies have been clear #1 and all have been clear #4. And not only during the whole match, but after 9 votes as well.
now isn't this round funny :lol:

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Post by edward5 » January 28th, 2020, 1:19 am

1. Dni zatmeniya
2. Madagascar
3. Englar alheimsins
4. Kompozim

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Post by joachimt » February 2nd, 2020, 1:12 pm

It's quiet here......
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Post by Mario Gaborović » February 2nd, 2020, 6:07 pm

Image Madagascar 33-24
Image Dni zatmeniya 32-25
Image Kompozim 25-32
Image Englar alheimsins 24-33

10.5 days left.

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Post by joachimt » February 2nd, 2020, 8:24 pm

Thanks for keeping track of the scores as well, Mario. Keep doing that. It's still useful to double check. I just spotted a mistake I made entering Edward's vote. Corrected now. Got the same score as you now.
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Post by clemmetarey » February 4th, 2020, 11:31 pm

1. Englar alheimsins (2000) 7/10
2. Dni zatmeniya (1988) 6/10
3. Kompozim (1992) 6/10
4. Madagascar (1995) 5/10

Well that was a solid round in my opinion. :lol: I liked Englar for the soundtrack and how close to reality it felt in the depiction of mental asylums. It's nice it's possible to make a film about mental illness without having sadistic guards doing sadistic things every scenes. The one by Sokurov was fine but felt a bit long sometime. Both films features an intriguing and lost main character. Don't have much to say about the other two.

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Post by kingink » February 5th, 2020, 5:45 pm

1. Dni zatmeniya
2. Englar alheimsins
3. Madagascar
4. Kompozim

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Post by sacmersault » February 8th, 2020, 10:59 pm

1. Madagascar
2. Dni zatmeniya
3. Englar alheimsins
4. Kompozim

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