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iCM Forum's Favorite Italian Movies (2nd edition); Nominations

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Re: iCM Forum's Favorite Italian Movies (2nd edition); Nominations

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Post by kingink » January 8th, 2020, 5:38 pm

blocho wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 5:26 pm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls093251736/
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Please people stop putting Django in your lists. I can't help singing the tune and then it sticks in my head... Djangooooooo!!!!!!!

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Post by blocho » January 8th, 2020, 5:53 pm

kingink wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 5:38 pm
blocho wrote:
January 8th, 2020, 5:26 pm
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls093251736/
Unranked

Please people stop putting Django in your lists. I can't help singing the tune and then it sticks in my head... Djangooooooo!!!!!!!
It's part of my regular playlist, along with a bunch of other spaghetti western music.

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#43

Post by Ivan0716 » January 8th, 2020, 11:55 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/italy/ivan0716/

I might throw more genre films in later, I think I like most of them more than my ratings suggest. :ermm:

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#44

Post by hurluberlu » January 9th, 2020, 7:16 pm

My list

1-54 ranked
rest unranked
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#45

Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 10th, 2020, 12:56 pm

cinewest wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 3:23 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 10:13 am
cinewest wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 2:44 am
Just took a look at the list generated by imdb / Italian for me, and would say that 50% of them are not really Italian films.

If you want to call this a poll of "favorite Italian movies" I think that a more limiting criteria needs to be used that involves language and principle participants.
That link is only a help, like it says in the OP: "Like always these do include co-productions, so you have to filter those out according to your own judgement. Of course you can always ask others here for their opinions." And that judgement could be based on the guidelines also stated in the OP: "some guidelines as to what to search for: you can look at production country, language and/or the nationality of the director/crew". This how we always do these country-polls.
I appreciate your response, and made my comment based on the result of a country poll I saw last year that had far too many "foreign" entries.
There are of course some controversial movies (f.e. Blowup and Last Tango in Paris) that I myself for one don't consider Italian, but I can understand if others do so cause they walk the line. The way we do this does mean that there might be movies in the list that some people did consider Italian, while others don't.

I am at two minds at the moment if we should continue this way of doing it. Or that we should do a ruling about the eligibility on some of these controversial movies, that have a change of making the list. (Of course I won't make that ruling alone and would ask for input here)

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#46

Post by cinewest » January 10th, 2020, 2:47 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 10th, 2020, 12:56 pm
cinewest wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 3:23 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 10:13 am

That link is only a help, like it says in the OP: "Like always these do include co-productions, so you have to filter those out according to your own judgement. Of course you can always ask others here for their opinions." And that judgement could be based on the guidelines also stated in the OP: "some guidelines as to what to search for: you can look at production country, language and/or the nationality of the director/crew". This how we always do these country-polls.
I appreciate your response, and made my comment based on the result of a country poll I saw last year that had far too many "foreign" entries.
There are of course some controversial movies (f.e. Blowup and Last Tango in Paris) that I myself for one don't consider Italian, but I can understand if others do so cause they walk the line. The way we do this does mean that there might be movies in the list that some people did consider Italian, while others don't.

I am at two minds at the moment if we should continue this way of doing it. Or that we should do a ruling about the eligibility on some of these controversial movies, that have a change of making the list. (Of course I won't make that ruling alone and would ask for input here)
I agree that there are a small group of films like the two that you mention that are hard to ascribe nationality to (what about some of Leone's ?). If Nostalgia is Italian, then maybe Blow Up is English, and Last Tango, French, though Antonioni is surely Italian. But, there are really only a few like that, and they are not the ones that really bother me.

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#47

Post by Obgeoff » January 10th, 2020, 5:05 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/favo ... s/obgeoff/

Ranked list. I've Once Upon a Time in America and Zabriskie Point included on basis of director nationality but happy to take them out if not appropriate.
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#48

Post by albajos » January 10th, 2020, 5:20 pm

imdb usually present the correct nationality by giving the original title in italian, so that is basically what I have used when it came to co-productions. Spaghetti westerns was produced and shot in Italy, hence the nickname.

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Post by Ivan0716 » January 10th, 2020, 7:13 pm

I don't think director nationality is a good indicator of the "nationality" of the film in most cases. Copie conforme showing up in the Middle Eastern poll was pretty ridiculous. Do the people who consider it to be an Iranian film also consider One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to be a Czech film and Scarlet Street to be German?

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Post by OldAle1 » January 10th, 2020, 7:33 pm

Ivan0716 wrote:
January 10th, 2020, 7:13 pm
I don't think director nationality is a good indicator of the "nationality" of the film in most cases. Copie conforme showing up in the Middle Eastern poll was pretty ridiculous. Do the people who consider it to be an Iranian film also consider One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to be a Czech film and Scarlet Street to be German?
Agreed. Italy is especially problematic, in that such a vast quantity of films - especially the genre films made from the mid-50s through the 70s - are co-productions, many of which have few Italian bona fides besides (perhaps) director and screenwriter(s), e.g. several of the Kommissar X films were directed by Gianfranco Parolini but are in most respects West German or Austrian productions with international casts, typically co-starring American Brad Harris. And obviously most of these genre films were post-dubbed into many languages, with no "original" language track in reality, and often the actors would be dubbed even in their own languages - pretty sure Lee Van Cleef was dubbed by somebody else in at least one of the westerns I've seen, and I don't think I've heard Klaus Kinski's real voice in most of his genre work from this period. The problem with many of these kinds of films IMO is that they don't really belong to any nationality in particular, and you could say that about many more "serious" arthouse films like Copie conforme as well - a film I would not call French, or Italian, or Belgian (ha!), or Iranian. It's "global". I do think albajos' suggestion of looking at the original title language is a good one though it's not foolproof.

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Post by Teproc » January 10th, 2020, 8:25 pm

Ivan0716 wrote:
January 10th, 2020, 7:13 pm
I don't think director nationality is a good indicator of the "nationality" of the film in most cases. Copie conforme showing up in the Middle Eastern poll was pretty ridiculous. Do the people who consider it to be an Iranian film also consider One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to be a Czech film and Scarlet Street to be German?
Agreed. I think of it as the Jacques Tourneur test, but it applies to any of the many foreign-born classic Hollywood directors just as well as it applies to people like Bertolucci, Farhadi or Haneke. Woody Allen's European escapades are a bit trickier: Match Point is British for me, but is Vicky Cristina Barcelona a Spanish film ? It's one of the few I count for both countries.

I haven't seen Copie conforme, but I agree with OldAle's point about some movies being really hard to pin down to any country at all. The big one for me is Melancholia. I just spent some time adding a "country" column to my spreadsheet and I ended up going with Denmark, but I'm not really satisfied with it. Similar problem with Moustapha Akkad's The Message for a non-European example.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 10th, 2020, 10:34 pm

Melancholia, yeah, Von Trier belongs in a category to himself, Mr. Multinational.

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Post by Ivan0716 » January 10th, 2020, 11:43 pm

I don't have a problem classifying those old Italian genre films as Italian, even if they were shot with an international cast who mouthed their lines in English then post-dubbed into 10 other languages. I guess I just kind of accepted it as the (primarily)Italian way of doing things at the time.

Kira Muratova is one I always struggle with, I can never tell if her films are more Ukrainian or Russian.





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#63

Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 21st, 2020, 2:30 pm

UPDATED THE OP. Please check if your list is stated, linked and sorted correctly.

I count 33 participants so far, can someone plz check that?

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 24th, 2020, 1:07 pm

Un'altra settimana. Lascia che vengano quegli elenchi ;)

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Post by Opio » January 25th, 2020, 12:57 am

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
January 21st, 2020, 2:30 pm
UPDATED THE OP. Please check if your list is stated, linked and sorted correctly.

I count 33 participants so far, can someone plz check that?
Yeah, I count 33 as well.

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Post by cinewest » January 26th, 2020, 2:02 pm

went back and forth on several films I really like by Antonioni and Bertolucci that were made outside of Italy in another language than Italian. Though I noticed that they appear on various submission lists, here, I have chosen to leave them off of mine, if only because they didn't feel Italian enough for more than the reasons I already listed.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls093477837/
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Post by sol » January 27th, 2020, 2:28 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+ ... +job/sol-/

RANKED (might fiddle with the order a bit later)

Stats:

1940s: 1
1950s: 4
1960s: 25
1970s: 22
1980s: 11
1990s: 3
2000s: 1
2010s: 3

Fellini: 8
Pasolini: 6
Visconti: 6
Argento: 4
M. Bava: 4
Petri: 4

Most common genre (Drama excluded): Horror - 18
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Post by sebby » January 27th, 2020, 6:13 am

Why are films from the last two years ineligible?

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Post by Fergenaprido » January 27th, 2020, 6:56 am

sebby wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 6:13 am
Why are films from the last two years ineligible?
Good catch. I think it's just a copy-paste error. That rule isn't usually applied for country polls, only the special ones like Unofficial lists and <400 (and the recent underrated).

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » January 27th, 2020, 10:20 am

Yeah, that's a copy-paste error. Sorry.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 27th, 2020, 2:47 pm

Top 33 ranked, the rest unranked. VERY hard call between #s 1 and 2 for me but I had to go with the gut this time.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls096755900/?ref_=otl_1

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Decades:
1910s 3
1920s 1
1930s 2
1940s 6
1950s 9
1960s 45
1970s 18
1980s 11
1990s 6
2000s 4
2010s 5

Genre - Western beats horror, 17 to 15. Lots of thriller, fantasy, science fiction - lots of mishmashes really. Only one peplum though, alas.

Directors:

Antonioni 7
Fellini 7

Bava 6
De Sica 6

Moretti 6
Rossellini 6

Margheriti 5
Pasolini 5
Visconti 5

Leone 4

Argento 3

Films that would have been near the top had I considered them "Italian enough": Once Upon a Time in America (would be #1) and Welles' Othello (top 10-15). Harder to cull through the co-productions for this country than any other I think save possibly Canada.
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#73

Post by zuma » January 27th, 2020, 3:59 pm

Ranked

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/italian/zuma/

I did not include Nostalghia. It would have placed #1.

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Post by 72aicm » January 27th, 2020, 4:16 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 2:47 pm

Films that would have been near the top had I considered them "Italian enough": Once Upon a Time in America (would be #1)
Same here! :cheers:

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Post by Fergenaprido » January 27th, 2020, 4:21 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 2:47 pm
Top 33.
Pointing this out so the host doesn't miss it, but this means "Top 33 Ranked, the rest unranked" (list is 110 titles long).

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Post by OldAle1 » January 27th, 2020, 4:35 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 4:21 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 2:47 pm
Top 33.
Pointing this out so the host doesn't miss it, but this means "Top 33 Ranked, the rest unranked" (list is 110 titles long).
Oh, yeah, thanks. Mistake on my part, fixed now.

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Post by AB537 » January 27th, 2020, 8:44 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ab53 ... tes/ab537/

1-28 ranked, rest unranked. I may add a couple more before the end of the month depending on what I get to in ongoing challenges.




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